>Avatar’ creators Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko say much of the hate toward Korra stems from misogyny and homophobia, pointing out that fans blame her for losing the past lives but don’t hold Aang accountable for the Air Nomads’ extinction:>“They hold Korra to a different standard. I think there's a lot of misogyny and homophobia. The idea we hate Korra is not true."https://x.com/ToonHive/status/2110142483455693230They've lose their fucking minds.
*LostSo flabbergasted I cant even spell right. This pisses me off
So glad I outgrew Nickelodeon before this faggot franchise was created.
>>155885511>They've losedumb esl
>>155885570Nice projection
>>155885511>They hold Korra to a different standard. I think there's a lot of misogyny and homophobia/co/ will seethe about this but it's not wrong. Aang is 100 times the Gary Stu that Korra is and the amount of bending over backwards the plot does to shelter him and refuse to make him actually deal with any consequence is staggering, but only one of them gets constantly shit on for it. Straight male Korra would be lauded as a based dudebro chad who just tries to solve everything with punching. People would be mad at the show, but they would be mad at the robot or that Kuvira schools male Korra because of the gendered implications, not the Korra character.
>>155885511Didn't they decide Korra was gay on the last seconds of the series as way to grab attention and get the support of the alphabet people?
>>155885511>misogyny>Fans love Toph, even a few like the troublesome Azula>Fans hate Korra>Don't play spot the difference and figure out what is it the predecessors did or didn't do that the latter repeats for four fucking seasons, well before her later sexuality was tossed out.For those stumped, its shown themselves capable of reflecting and reserving themselves instead of proudly tripling down. And despite the character cliche of being prodigies at a younger age, Toph and Azula later showing more maturity by coming to question themselves that much sooner is further damning to Korra.
>>155885739Delusional, lol
>>155885511How is one boy supposed to hold off an entire genocidal army?
>>155885739E;R told me Gary Stus arent as bad as Mary Sues
>>155885859Samefag
>>155885742UH IGNORE THAT CHUD
>>155885760Of course you are, son of disappoint.
>people only hate Korra because she's a woman...and gay
>>155885511I think its fucking hilarious they are pulling the "you only hate korra cuz shes a wahman" card since i hated korra from the very beginning when they decided to replace the ATLA cast with this new post generational time skip cast and my favorite characters i wanted to see return were toph and azula and ty lee who were all women. I dont hate korra for being a woman i hate her for sucking and i hate TLOK for replacing what shouldve been a direct sequel to ATLA
>>155885511Imagine trying to gas up Korra 14 years after the fact. You think it bothers Bryke that Steven Universe stole the queer chain from them and Korra's legacy is people arguing about whether they hate the MC or not.
>>155885742Apparently, it was something a storyboard artist snuck in at the 11th hour so the studio wouldn't notice. Which is common for bigger shows since the company has their eyes on other things when a cartoon wraps up compared to normal episodes. Alex Hirsch tried to do the same thing with the cops from Gravity Falls, but he got caught and was asked to have it removed.
literally no one has an issue with her being bi, just makes good porn. i dont even think she was that bad, she just shares the issue of having bad writers. the initial 'im the avatar and you have to deal with it!' was eye rolling at best
>>155886137I only used korra for porn, i remember distinctly being put off by the first episode when i was a teen and never watching it again because i was so mad we didnt get a series showing the after effects to ozai being toppled or explaining what happened to zukos mom
>>155885739other than the lion turtle at the very end (which is shitty yes) what makes him a gary stu? technically thats just a deus ex machina
>>155885511There are people who don't think the anti-Korra shit in the new series is going to be used to whine about people who dislike Korra.
>>155885511I don't really hate Korra, I hate almost every other character and unfortunately most of them make Korra look even worse.
>>155885511wow bi erasure. I hate how bi people are treated like they don't exist because of the current sex they're dating or fucking.
>>155885739Aang didn’t master 3 elements as a toddler without any training
>>155885742Stop noticing things.
>>155886220the people defending them in the replies aren't the brightest of the bunch
>>155885511No, but it certainly doesn't help. I remember everyone actually thinking it was a cool creative choice to make the next Avatar a woman because the main fear was they'd just chicken out and do Aang 2.0 for the sequel, but then they immediately shot themselves in the foot.The entire premise is they need to learn all the elements across the series, Korra new them all in the first minute of episode one. I could keep going but it's been beaten into the ground many times. They know, they don't care.
>>155885739It doesn't matter how many times you repeat a lie, it will never become the truth.
>>155885511Please, someone remove them from the franchise because the only thing they do is ruin ATLA more and more.
>>155886220Whenever male content creators make a female character “bisexual” they usually are only doing that because they’d prefer to make her lesbian but still want to make her seem available to gooners
>>155886074it wasn't even on the storyboards at first, that's how confused everyone on the show was when it ended like that
>>155885511People here clown on Zutards, but i always told you these two jews would turn on you and Aang the minute they had a a shiny new toy. Such is the way of the kike
>>155886223funniest part is even the bew Avatars Pavi and Nishi struggle with bending the elements and clearly aren't very good at itIt's just Korra with the "I AM THE AVATAR" bulkshit at 3 years old
>>155885742The question is, would all modern Korra fans still defend Korra and her show if she wasn't gay/bi? Would they still stick up for Korra if she had ended up with Mako or Bolin?
>>155885656Most based post in this thread
>>155886359If Korra and her harem’s sexes were all flipped Korra would be despised
How are they so tone deaf to use that excuse with AVATAR of all series? Pretty much what has been considered the golden standard of how women are written and portrayed in western cartoons by fans for decades, and they can't admit Korra was a bad character so now they want to say THAT!?
The original show really was lighting in a bottle eh?
>>1558856561million -1
>>155885511>Retards say retarded shitMore news at 11
>>155886359Anon, we're talking about modern Korra fans... That they're mostly made up of people of the alphabet, do you really think that if Korra had been Mako's partner or Bolin they would defend her? Maybe only the people in that community with two fingers of wisdom and who don't behave like spoiled children who throw tantrums when you don't give them what they want.
>>1558856565th post best post
Don't care. Post short-hair muscular futa Korra porn. Bonus points for milf.
Kek, I knew they would play this card someday, if they wanted Korra to be likeable. Maybe dont write her to be complete shit and make her a dyke on top of it. Even if she gets a redemption, you knew the path you set her on was doomed and couldn't defend it. We dont live in the world you envisioned it would be, you are in the wrong and are and will continued to be shamed for being on the wrong side of history. Im so glad their shit got giga leaked and will continue to get leaked, hope now they learn some humility.
>>155886482Forgot picrel
>>155885511Now to hear from Korra's animation team.
Nope, this right here is what I hate. The Gods need to die, and if the rumors that those two girls in Seven Havens are the stupid Kites in Mortal form, they need to die NOW.
>>155885511Their logic makes no sense. People were shitting on Korra long BEFORE Book 4's ending made her bisexual and the excuse of "the fans hate women" doesn't check out because everyone loves Katara, Azula, and Toph.I don't think Bryke are really cognizant of the fact that they can't write the Avatar as a protagonist in a compelling way because of weird stipulations on their end that arbitrarily limit them from having dedicated character arcs and internal complexity. Aang has fans but he's also had pretty dedicated critics who will waste no time covering how ATLA did him dirty (in a lot of respects) and how despite being the main character, ATLA is far more concerned with the internal conflict of Zuko's family and the Water Tribe siblings.Korra gets it worse because Bryke had the lion's share of creative control over the writing in TLOK (bad news because TLOK was the first time they were responsible for the bulk of the writing on a series) and TLOK not only dealt with character bloat and a lack of commitment to the premise (that in turn intersected with the throughlines of the focal characters), but Korra herself was built in a fundamentally broken premise as well.>she's the opposite of Aang! she's got the hot-tempered attitude of Zuko and the stubborness of Toph! She's better with Fire and Earth than she is with Air! She's not a very spiritual person like Aang was, and she's quick to violence!>but Bryke, how does that make sense when she's a Water Tribe Avatar? How can she struggle with Air when Water is also incredibly spiritual and when Korra still had exposure to her culture via her parents and her environment? Why is she so quick to violence and aggressive (like a FN or EK character) when that's not something Water Tribe characters are known for?>d-don't question our poor logic! just shut up and accept the premise! we want an Anti-Aang so don't think about it!
>>155886510Nobody likes Korra, her only saving grace is her design. Without that body she is nothing.
>>155886223Neither did Korra. She was still training all of them after the time skip and she took longer to do air the Aang did to learn anything.
>>155886482Thank you for telling the truth
>>155885739Korra nuked the avatar line, she is basically a living failure touted as a good character.
>>155885511Proof they spent some time reading this board.And he does say some people, not all people.
>>155886527>everyone loves KataraKatara was disliked for being a stick in the mud. Being the more logical/mature of the group never goes over well with kids
>>155886554>much fo the hate stems from...He's saying most people.
>>155886417Fake news
>Come into thread expecting Korra rape greentexts & ryona art>Shitty twitter memes instead Disappointing
>>155885511Nah plenty of Women in the avatar series get love including ones from Korra. She wasn't gay untill the 11th hour and they basically had to confirm it off screen because she and Asami only held hands at the end. Nostalgia for the for first series is the biggest factor in korra hate. The biggest confusion is people not being able to agree on if she is a fuck up or a mary sue.
>>155886527Like EVERYTHING screams that the ancient rumor of TLOK originally being conceived as a modern-ish cyberpunk setting with Korra as an Earth Nation-descent city kid was true and that Bryke walked it back because they wanted to follow up on Aang's legacy and not alienate ATLA fans...but they refused to compromise on Korra as the anti-Aang even though having her succeed Aang meant an obvious contradiction that wasn't compatible with what they wanted.Korra is genuinely frustrating as a character because even if you give Bryke the benefit of the doubt (she's only like that because of her upbringing!), it still doesn't get around the fucking core problems with her character, let alone the fact that TLOK genuinely doesn't care about giving her depth (or even trying to) unlike the characters that Bryke clearly favor more, or how Korra DOES screw up only for the narrative to go "actually, you did nothing wrong" but then fucking puts her through ryona hell when she DOESN'T do anything that bad. It's schizophrenic!
>>155886588Shut up Trump.
>>155886602Korra's arguably an unintentional Anti-Sue to a certain degree. An Anti-Sue is the opposite of a Mary Sue where an author purposefully goes out of their way to make their Mary Sue NOT "da best" usually by having them fail, suck at things, and massively eat shit, but they're still a Sue due to the author not realizing they're still writing a shallow plot device that warps the narrative to revolve around them. A braggart is identical to a "woe is me" guy, as they're both extremely prideful at the end of the day.Korra is weird because she's introduced as "da strongest" but then doesn't get to really do anything, everyone shits on her BEFORE she even actually fucks up hard, and when she does screw up it's practically nullified. And despite all that, she has an enormous bravado that doesn't really MEAN anything if that makes any sense.
>>155886608No.
I was watching LoK as it aired, and I stopped watching at the episode they reintroduced Toph. When she came in wearing the exact same clothing and with the exact same hairstyle as TLA, I thought that was really hackneyed and figured that the writers were lost as to where to take the plot, and gave up on it cause I didn't want to see characters I liked get butchered.
>>155885587...Actually no, I don't believe that qualifies as projection.
>>155886690It is
Everyone says this bitch is gay but I literally stopped watching her boring show because of the stupid STRAIGHT love triangle shit.
>>155886698That would be >It does
>>155886563It's true that Katara was disliked for being the responsible one, but this was WAY back in the early days of the fandom.What disproves Bryke's argument wholesale is how Toph has NEVER been unpopular with fans (barring her direction in TLOK). People like Toph because unlike Korra, she gets to actually be a character with vulnerability (even if she isn't as explored as Zuko) and she's a lot of fun! We don't get much in terms of vulnerability with Korra or a look into her psyche the way we do with Toph. Toph's loud and obnoxious to cover up the fact that she felt stifled and smothered by her parents perceiving her as weak. She's afraid to receive help thinking she'll be further smothered (but to deny the fact that she DOES need help), which is why her freaking out in the sandstorm hits so hard. Toph's arc is about her accepting the fact that it's okay to feel helpless/scared but accepting help and being vulnerable is how you get stronger.Where's the love for Korra in this regard? It's just boiled down to "oh no Korra you got violated and booty blasted AGAIN, now you have PTSD and wheelchaired, please cry into the camera". It's all superficial. Nothing further than that. What do we even KNOW about her?
>>155886527Bryke hate the spiritual aspect of bending just like they dislike its basis in martial arts movements. From Korra onward bending is just some magical ability to at some people are born with that doesn’t require any specific motions
>>155886493>>155886482The end of the fashionable bisexual.
Damn. A hard confirm that Mako sucked so bad he made a girl gay for the rest of her life.
>>155886493Makes sense. Have you seen the queer women in pride parades prior to Covid they were usually hot. Now they are all tender queer fatties who have to walk with canes despite being 23.
>>155886751>Bryke hate the spiritual aspect of bending just like they dislike its basis in martial arts movementsWait, he really hates that?
>>155885511I think they misspoke. People only LIKE Korra because she's a woman and gay.
>>155886808
>>155886808Sad but true
>>155886808If only they had the balls to tell the truth.
>>155886751source for that?in any case, i agree that sacking the martial art sifu for korra was a huge mistake from the flavor aspect.
>>155886608>rent free faggotI pity you.You poor stupid creature.
>>155886808They only like her because she is a hot young brown woman. Make her ugly like Yang Chen and no one would bother defending her dumb ass
>>155885511I dislike Korra because she's an idiot.She was written to be the polar opposite of Aang. Aang was an airbending prodigy who was wise beyond his years, and he was good at dealing with the spiritual aspects of being the avatar. Talking to spirits, accessing the avatar state, talking to past lives.Korra was a violent dummy who sucked at airbending and spirituality.Aang was the avatar. Korra was some girl who could fight good.
>>155886563>Katara was disliked for being a stick in the mudYet she was still widely popular, people only really shit on her for one scene in Book 3 and shipping drama but outside that she's still will liked.
>>155886988She was annoying in Book 1, but she gets a lot better in 2 and 3.
>>155886973fight good? didnt jinora defeat 2 of her 4 main villains?
>>155885511>The idea we hate Korra is not true.I never got the opinion they hated Korra. I just thought they were shitty, terrible writers that didn't deserve to produce such a shitty 2nd season.
>>155887007>She was annoying in Book 1,So was Aang and Sokka gets more obnoxious as the series went on
>>155886751I don't think they "hate" the spiritual aspect of ATLA. I think they're just not very religious or spiritually curious people to start with. They know about Buddhism, Shinto, Taoism, Hinduism (and so on) but they don't want to really know more about foreign cultures or really know what it is to "be" spiritual in the first place. Bryke have always struck me as VERY materialist and self-centered in that sense. When I think of spiritual creatives, someone like David Lynch, Jack Kirby, or George Lucas comes to mind. Guys who read a lot and are willing and open to expose their psyches to religious texts and the perspectives of other people. Spirituality (deep spirituality, at least) requires humility, vulnerability, and empathy. Thinking and even thinking about thinking, too.Bryke are STILL hung up on their fathers(-as authority) disapproving of their art careers and practically worship commercialism/fame/money-making, hence their fixation on Varrick.
>>155887096>I think they're just not very religious or spiritually curious people to start with.oh they absolutely are, but in a very 2000's california Buddhist larper kind of way. one of them (mike iirc) met his wife at a yoga spot, and named their kids cringy af buddhist names. the real reason they distanced themselves from all the east asian shit in atla simply comes down to the tibetans not being in vogue once they realized that they too have a history of violence, and bryke hopping on whatever was the next progressive trend that was perceived as polarizing at the time and looking to piss people off because like you said, bryke have terminal daddy issues they never properly dealt with because they are also terminal manchildren who keep failing upwards.
>>155886973I don't Bryke intended this but I do find it hilarious that the last two waterbender Avatars did the worst damage to the balance between the spirit world and the world of the living because they just couldn't wrap their heads around the jobAnd we're about to get a show about the other one
>>155886863Would you have gotten booty blasted if I had said "Shut up Carlos" to someone making a pun too?
Korra 2 must be some money laundering scheme. There is no explanation for the "surprise" renewal the same day it got released after paramount dumped the avatar: the redundant title on streaming instead of theatres after it got leaked
>>155886223Korra trained for over a decade with the best master trainers in existence in her compound to master 3 elements at 17 and then spent months training to master her fourth.Aang was a master airbender at 12, could waterbend and firebend the VERY FIRST TIME he actually tried to do so, and earthbended the same day he first tried. He mastered all four elements in a few months in a single summer.
>>155887508>He mastered all four elements"Mastered" is probably a stretch. He was proficient.
>>155887508>Korra trained for over a decade with the best master trainers in existence in her compound to master 3 elements at 17>picrelThis is not whatever hellhole you got lost from, people here aren't gullible enough to believe whatever headcannon you hack up. she was demonstrably proficient in three bending styles as a toddler who clearly had no possible teachers up to that point.
>>155887508Aang had teachers guiding him through all the bending forms. Korra initially didn’t and still managed to magically teach herself 2 elements (I’m assuming that she learned water from her dad or something.)
>>155885739>Aang is 100 times the Gary Stu that Korra isThat's where he's positioned in the story. Aang is a man from another time, the last member of his fallen kingdom, a mythical hero from a forgotten age. At the time he arrives in the story the majority of the world believes that 'the avatar' is a thing that will never happen again, and most of the rest believe that perhaps 'the avatar' is a thing that never happened at all. The compelling part of avatar is how it goes about humanizing aang as he learns to deal with times where he isnt the mantle and times where he should be.And then theres korra.
Korra and subsequent avatars suddenly being able to bend more than one element as children is also really fucking lore breaking if you think about it. Why bother with giving each nation their own special avatar test when they can just ask around to see if anyone has a kid that can bend multiple elements?
>>155885511>people hate her for like 6 years of a shitshow where she keeps fucking and cucking men>reveals lesbian in the last minute >OMG YO HATED HER BECAUSE HOMOPHOBIAthose guys don't even remember what they wrote it's fucking pathetic.
>>155885739>but it's not wrongIt absolutely is. Korra was only revealed to be a faggot at the end of her show. She was hated for four full seasons before that reveal.The idea that she is hated because of homophobia is completely retarded. And the misogyny angle is equally retarded when the Korra haters are the same people who liked and had no issue with female characters like Toph and Suki in AtLA. Shit, even in AtLofK, people like Lin or Azami or whatever and still fucking hate Korra.Korra is just a dogshit ass piece of shit character, that the show spent 4 seasons shitting on. They wrote her to be shit, so why should anyone like her?Mike and Bryan are just shifting blame because they're faggoty pussies who can't handle being hacks.
Something something swmp hick
It's amazing how if you write a character that is any of/combination of>A woman>Non white>Any type of social minorityyour writing suddenly become flawless, and everyone becomes physically incapable of disliking your writing choices.Truly a mystery of the universe we might never solve.
>>155887862Culture exists downstream of media. If you give gays and women representation in media you can literally change the world from your desk. There’s nothing wrong with supporting this.
>>155885511they got lucky or they stolecreators are people, and people are often fucking retarded.
>>155887621>people here aren't gullibleBut ARE apparently too fucking dumb to understand the difference between mastering elements and being able to do small amounts of bending.
>>155887879you act as if the last 15 years didnt happen yet. Shits bad. you delulu
>>155887884Weren’t they massively tard wrangled during ATLA?
>>155887918yes, hence korra was so fucking messy.
>>155887890Awe yes, the "samantics to distract from the outright lies i just told card."Because Aang being able to hold a ball of flame before burning katara after jeong jeong taught him one basic principle is the same as korra performing a controlled fire blast she learned by herself before she ever met the white lotus.... I dont even Like Aang yet i'll gladly dispel lies from niggers like you.
>>155885511That's a lame excuse, if that was the case /a/ would hate almost half of anime girls
insane deflection on Bryke's part. You have plenty of well liked female characters from ATLA, people just hate Korra because you fucks up all the time and only gets out of situations out of sure luck/bullshit writing (her airbending to stop Amon in book 1, cosmic energy to become a kaiju and beat Unalaq) >>155887976man I love yuri, too bad Korrasami was like a blip in the show
>>155885511>Give her shitty introduction.>Keep having her be shit.
Why would anyone hate Aang for what happened to the Air Nomads? He spends the entire show trying to make amends.
>>155885511Is the message that gay people don't care about destroying lives and tradition and it’s offensive to expect them to?
>>155887621This introduction ruined her character forever. Funny someone wrote this and thought "this will get the audience to love her."
>>155887704They only ever gave the air nomads a test and it was a retarded test. There’s a good chance a bunch of other kids might have picked the same toys as aang. Also a kid being able to bend thought instinct isn’t weird at all. It’s not like Korra was shown being a master. She just moved a little puddle of water and shot out of puff of fire. It’s like when you see a toddler kick a little ball. They’re not suddenly soccer players. What kind of retarded logic requires you to see someone else bend for you to be able to? I’m the bender. I’m biological able to move the element. I should be able to love it on my own accord the same way I’m able to move my hands on my own.
>>155887890reminder it took aang an incredibly long amount of time as well as a complete physical and mental shift just to be able to move a boulder, the single most basic earthbending move you can do. now, you can make the excuse that that's his natural opposite, and it's true that's the reason it took more effort. but then why is korra able to bend fire no problem..?
>>155888532do you think kids, without any lessons, study, or understanding of bending (as a spiritual martial art) can properly go through the forms and channel their chi into purposed bending like toddler korra instead of moving around the element a little or producing a very small amount (in the case of fire, that being incredibly dangerous because they have 0 control over it)? yes or no
Why can’t people just accept that Korra was better at bending than Aang? If she were a guy yall wouldn’t care
>>155888900if she were a guy the writers would have written her properly cuz they wouldn't care about trying to make some girlboss feminist icon
I just thought Korra’s show was boring
>>155887976>almost half of anime girlsLess than half but yeah.
>you all hate Korra because she's a woman of color and gayBut also,>just because Korra destroyed the Universe doesn't mean she is automatically a bad person. There's more to her story than you know.
>>155888900>aang learned incredibly quick too hurr durr>well kid korra wasn't a master>she wasn't doing full moves but shit babbies can do(you) are now here:>well maybe korra was just le better at bending
>>155886359>fans still defend Korra and her show if she wasn't gay/biAnon, it is well established the only reason she gwts defended at all is because she was turned scissor-bender in the finale.Up to that point EVERYONE loathed Korra. And then she went dyke and the useful idiots from tumblr and occupied-twitter got loud as fuck on how it was the best show ever.They turned her lesbian with no foreshadowing as a last resource shield against criticism. A shield still in place today.
>>155885739>The year 2000+26>Korratards only defense of their shit character is still fruitlessly trying to tear down Aang by misconstruing and/or failing to understand a 2000s children's cartoonWhy do they keep doing it? Do they like the humiliation?
>>155885739He's right.
>>155886521Agreed fuck those flatworms.
>>155886521>rumorsAnon, did you not see the animated storyboards?The non-cripple loli hits the free marketing safe horny bearded guy in the season finale after glowing her eyes red/black and removes his bending/kills him or something
>>155888900>I posted it again
>>155885511People hated Korra because she was a tantrum throwing bitch right from the first episode.It’s obviously not because she’s a woman seeing how people love Toph and Katara. And even in her own series, there were characters like Lin that people liked. Hell, I liked Asami too for being the only character in Season 1 with a full character arc.As for her being gay, it’s hard to see how that is a factor during the shows run when she only became bi in the last 5 seconds of it so it can be easily cut out in certain regions.
>>155885511It's surprising you'd put down the original little boy protagonist you were supposed to feel sympathetic for and not particularly be too hard on due to his circumstances just to hype up your shitty female protagonist who was notably older than Aang by the time she fucked up everything.
>>155886846Really hated that Red Lotus bitch that had no arms and substituted them with water tentacles. Literally no movements at all yet she's a master waterbender. I can accept no WASTED movements from a master, and we watch that happen with Katara as she gets better and better, but no movements at all is horseshit. Only the Avatar gets to do that.
>>155885511Don't care, 7H is a Zaslav-era DEI holdover. If it doesn't do as well as expected, I think Ellison will oust Michael and Bryan entirely, replace them with a consortium or someone they have more trust in professionally
>>1558857391) Korra is bisexual please mind your erasure. 2) Straight male Korra would be reviled as a stupid fucking jobber who screwed up everything. I think people would shit on the character even harder with no one wanting to fuck him, the men cause he's not a cute girl and the girls the second he starts crying after losing his bending until Aang gives it back. In a funny twist Korrasami would be way less popular the fujos would probably ship him taking it from Bolin or Mako. Take Sokka and remove the wit, humor, resourcefulness and charm that's fucking male Korra.
>>155886417they retards that run the franchise
>>155885511alright, he's onto something
>>155889591anon Avatar is a Paramount franchise; Zaslav never had control of it.
>>155890625Nope
>>155888704yes, in the same way that a retarded kid can throw a punch without having taken any boxing lessons.
