Raven being a goth is one of those things that sounds awful on paper, so how did 03 make it work?
>>155954094>one of those things that sounds awful on paperNo.
>>155954094>Making the witch girl a goth is "bad on paper."It's like the most obvious thing you can do.
>>155954094We need more girls to become true goths, not e-thots who like wearing black clothes and makeup.
>>155954968The south is filled with potential for the supernatural/goth/occult
>>155954094>Raven being a goth is one of those things that sounds awful on paper
>>155954584And everyone made fun of Goths for calling other people "posers". When their whole subculture was GRT'd by whores.
Raven never felt truly goth in the 2003 cartoon to me because it never felt she was trying to conform to a subculture. Aside from the exaggeration with having grey skin she just had a dark, aloof temperament and manner of dress. The rest of her image was mostly "witchy."
>>155954094>>155954948>>155954968All three of these work for basically the same reason: the gothiness is justified by the backstory of the character.Goths are... what, exactly? They're broody, they're moody, they're standoffish, they blow people off, they deliberately spread gloom everywhere they go, they frown for fun, basically.With all three of these, their backstories give them a justification for such behavior. Raven's father is an intergalactic demon bent on destroying the universe, and she was told as a little girl that she's going to help him do it. Rogue literally cannot touch people without hurting them. Wanda, especially Evo Wanda, had the childhood from Hell, and her father is Mutant Hitler.With all three of them, the gothiness ceases to be the affectation of a girl who needs to get over herself, and becomes a perfectly-justifiable way to behave. It works.
>>155955121And we both know why she acted that way.
>>155954094why do you watch got slop for children?Raven isn’t real and if she was she would get dronedlol top tier drone bait instant gibbed haha faggots fuck your gay as thread maybe should have bought a nissian Z N-no Please don’t make fun of my tenant show!!! GET FUCKED MUTIGGERS
>>155955121>Having an interest in a subculture without forcing yourself to "conform" to it or making it your whole personalityGood lesson for kids.
>>155955839the fuck it is faggot it’s obviously an attack on social cohesion. But you wouldn’t care would you? your just a simple cur going from slop to slop hoping one day you’ll do anything of notePerhaps one day you’ll wake up or maybe you’ll stay as a useless consumer forever
>>155955874>an attack on social cohesion.So, it's goth?
>>155955907sO ItS gOtH? no nigga it’s a targeted propaganda designed to destroy a people from withinHistorical most gothic culture degenerated into tranny gay sex or open support for non traditional pairings.It’s not a coincidence that most pedophiles were once part of the gothic subculture. You are worshipping the very thing signed to destroy you. Perhaps if you weren’t so diluted you would see the weight of what you have done.Gothic subculture directly created the mental illness epidemic in the western world supporting it causes harm to millions of vulnerable retards
>>155954094>the half-demon witch being goth sounds awful on paper???
>>155956130oh hello retard I bet you watch paw patrol on loop like some sort of literal goy cattle. Besides the character design looks like a walking corpse. I guess we can add necrophiliacs to the list of degenerates this creature attracts
>>155954948That is literally an indian manlet wtf is wrong with you?Is goth now just shorthand for indians in make up? lolol
>>155954094This is a rather dumb premise for a thread
>>155956252OP enjoys BPD demons with gray skin due to being abused as a child.It’s really sad because there really isn’t anything we can do to help OP besides bully it until hopefully it realizes what it has become
I never liked goth girls.
>>155956327good you’re saving yourself a world of trouble. Most of them are BPD lunatics.You’re better off buying a nissian Z and telling OP to fuck off
>>155954094Is Raven even Goth? She doesn't really act Goth.
I have still yet to meet an actual goth. I think that shit died off in the 90s. Either way, its overrated.
>>155956382she's TV goth
>>155956382Not really, at least not as much as people make her out to be. Her aloof demeanor and relationship with the occult comes from being a half demon rather than an entirely personal choice.
>>155955821Take your meds.
>>155954094
>doesn't act GothThen what is a true Goth acting one?
>>155956980oh look at that the good little goy trying to defend is slopaganda.Maybe you should wake up that your just a degenerate idiot who will continue reading literal children books and arguing on a dead forum
>>155957882Take your meds.
>>155954094>Daughter of Satan>Her name is fucking RAVENHow do you figure?
>>155954094>being a goth is one of those things that sounds awful on paperThat is factually impossible 100% of the time.
>>155957302A goth is just a fan of goth music. There really is no one way to act goth. Most "goth" characters in animation have little to do with the subculture outside of maybe Triana from Venture Bros.
>>155956382One of her first scenes in the series has her saying a party is pointless and hooking up with a goth guy. She dresses in dark clothes, likes horror, spends her time in her goth as fuck room, is all about magic and occult, she briefly flirted with an evil dragon sealed in a grimoire, etc. If you listed every goth trait, Raven would check just about all the boxes.
>>155954094Honestly it's kind of funny that whenever DC tried to bring this personality of Raven to the comics they always do it poorly. It's like they are going off a half-memory of the TT cartoon from somebody who hasn't watched it in 20 years. Same with Starfire.It's also arguably a poor fit for comic Raven because her whole thing is being an empath. As in, always sensing other people's emotions. It wouldn't make much sense for her to be a snarky goth the same way she was in the cartoon. The cartoon largely ignored or downplayed that aspect of her powers. In the Teen Titans comics (even some relatively recent ones) I got the impression she was moreso very introverted or even autistic but in that way women can somewhat mask it
>>155954094because they showed it instead of told it, way too often these pitch archetype-dynamics dont really carry through into the show
>>155959825>The cartoon largely ignored or downplayed that aspect of her powersCartoon raven is also an empath, except this is a biological urge for her purpose as a demon portal. She is designed to be a sleeper agent that looks and acts human enough to get close to civilizations, and then when close to may humans her powerful empathy will cause her mind to collapse from overwhelming emotions, which triggers the other half of her instinct and she turns into a demon and summons trigon. Raven does the edgy, distant, flat affect, goth thing because she is constantly suppressing her empathy in order to not end the world.
>>155954982you see the visionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsaR54ZtREs&t=4096s
>>155954982Yeah because of New Orleans. That’s why all true goths are trailer trash.
>>155960182Why would you link a video of 2 scene girls reacting to Pulp Fiction?
>>155954094>>155954948
>>155959776Thanks. This will be useful.
>>155954948one of the best versions>>155955210/thread
Shadman was the one who flipped me from Starfire to Raven
>>155954584
>>155956307Could you, ah, wear this corset and black lipstick while you bully me?
this really did destroy a generation of retards. I feel bad for you all in the past you would have been happy as peasants working on some field or some craft unaware of whatever faggotry the jews are up too.But now days you’re obsessed with this literal child propaganda slop. Then again being abused by BPD demons would make you spergs easily manipulated Nissian Z nation rise up
>>155963749Take your meds.
>>155954094Your right...She should also be fat and have sex with other boys while Beast Boy watches, it will make him a Beast MAN....
>>155964174>ZOG approved medicine that castrates you and makes docile for fat goth bitchInteresting...
Starfire is getting a new series. While Raven gets shit.
>>155960297Cute!
>>155955083it truly is the greatest of ironies that every modern "goth" is the very definition of a poser
>>155965206see? look at what this faggot likes! and it’s all because of the slop he watched as a child now xer is a confused megatroanny. This goth bullshit unironically rotted the brains of you tards.Comics are a literal filter to capture the retarded
>>155954584Every member of a subculture is a shallow, performative parody of a person.
>>155955839When did Raven ever show any interest in gothness?
>>155967079Tate Brombal seemed to imply DC is planning a Beast Boy/Raven series when I asked him a few weeks ago.
>>155955969nta but I hate how there's some evidence of this. If the transition from myspace to twitter and facebook in the late 2000s to 2010s is anything to go by.Still like gothic culture but I understand why outsiders looking in would see nothing but degeneracy
>>155970550Big if true
>>155970479True :(>4 alarm clocksLol
>>155960297Is that tge incestous Wanda?
>>155972988No it's Evo Wanda. The incestuous one is the one from the Ultimate comics.
>>155958372This reminds me Raven was originally meant to be black but Wolfman thought naming a black character "Raven" was too on the nose.
>>155967079I have never understood why DC doesn't do more with Raven
>>155974194She was Indian, everything Wolfman wrote about her in the 80s was an Indian girl. The whole Rachel thing was a 2000s invention.
>>155975934Satanic intelligence
>>155974194Kek
