Welcome back, Wish. Didn't miss you one bit.
Circustroon gives it a 6? must be a 3 for a normal person
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>screening a movie that's still half storyboardsI didn't know this was a thing
>>155966623It isn't normal, Disney have just recently been on a run of drastically changing their movies at the last minute. Sometimes it works (Frozen 1, Zootopia 1+2) but oftentimes it doesn't (Wish, Elio, now this).
>>155966623Most test screenings are like that, even for live action movies. A finished movie is rarely tested because you might need to make changes.
>>155966650Your animated movie should not still be 50% storyboards four months before release
I don't know how anyone could possibly have thought it was going to be good, they have not been able to get a single original off the ground post Covid. If (when) this bombs there needs to be a cull.
>>155966272>Forgotten Island gets a massive 24/7 shill patrol trying to convince people on every major website to watch their flop>Disney is just putting Owl House At Home out to die with zero attempts at trying to salvage itKino...
>>155967035They're putting the absolute minimum into marketing.Which is kinda funny since the film still doesn't actually seem to be finished so they're spending shitloads on crunch
>>155966272>OP didn’t even read the post he posted
>>155967122I dunno, seems accurate to me.
>>155966702Disney has the resources to finish an animated film in a few months
>>155967466Sure, but please tell me you can see why that is bad in a creative sense?
>>155967466Mythical Man Hour starts hitting. Eventually you hit a bottleneck and things have to be really rushed.
I am so tired of hearing about this movie, can it just release already and get it over with, we all know it is going to be shit so what is the point of discussing it any further
>>155967814Don't worry, there's a Princess and the frog llive action that we'll soon see dominating production
>>155966272>>155966623>>155966313How isn't Disney firing people en massé for this?>Inb4 dei hiresIt's not just that, but if you're going to pour millions into a movie, why the fuck would you not nail down the story first? I know executives are idiots but if I'm being ask to greenlight something, invest in marketing for a specific due date, and there's still giant parts of the story being re written and storyboarded? It doesn't fucking matter how gay or brown you are, you are wasting company resources and need to be fired for mismanagement. Who was the retard that set this precedent because I don't recall this being a problem a decade ago
>>155968514They didn't seem to have a problem dealing with the issues from the gay Elio guy so I don't think it should be hard for them to boot these people for showcasing how bad they run a project.
>>155968514As the other Anon said, CGI allows for a lot of changes during creation and it's caused execs to get really lazy. Constant late changes and reshoots getting the CGI teams to re-do their work.There's that green screen of Samuel L Jackson holding a prop gun so they can... put him in a generic CG office room and make a gun out of CG.Same is happening in Animation. Blame Frozen, the last minute rewrites made it a mega hit, now they feel they can make anything a megahit if they keep tinkering.
>>155966272>Jax pfp
>>155968576Disney is risk adverse but ffs, commit to what you thought was such a good idea instead of zombifying it. Elio was a start but if they're scared of getting called racist, all they have to do is say "this idiot is the reason we didn't have half the movie done 4 months before release". No one sane would argue against their firing. >>155968582They're lazy but I would be stressed if the deadline was near and half the entire movie was not done. I'm thinking about this from a money standpoint, which is how those retards think. The more reshoots that happen, the more money gets wasted and the less profit is gained. Why anyone at the company isn't coming at it with that POV to stop these reshoots is mind boggling
>>155968582Every big project story has multiple rewrites and iterations, but they generally come before large swaths of animation get started, not during.
>>155968900And that's perfectly acceptable and normal. What shouldn't be normal is half the movie being storyboards shortly before release. Thourghly planning and commiting to the idea is what should be happening. As soon as the animation process start, there should be no story overhaul, it should be over and done with. The second someone wants to scrap the story deep into production, they need to be fired immediately for trying to gamble on the company's dime
>>155966272>6 out of 10 at bestThat's a funny way of saying 0 out of 10
>>155966313Why didn't she get fired after Wish? Why do they continue to trust this flopmaker?
>>155968938Hollywood has gotten away with script minimizing for so long it's made them overconfident. But it seems like the vast majority of hits with lasting appeal come from something that had a script the was mostly hammered out prior to filming and then executed well. But then people get hung up on a handful of ad-libbed moments that worked out in an otherwised well structured script and think that should just be the standard and not happy accidents you can't actually count on.
>>155969043Because there has been a massive exodus of talent from the company. Skydance in particular hoovered up a lot of them.Eddie and the Beanstalk is being made by the director of Gigantic.
>>155968514disny bought a fuckton of companies and then every single one of them promptly caught fire, and trying to save a random new IP that isnt even worth a million dollars yet isnt worth their time
All this is telling me is that the production on this thing must have been an absolute shitshow and I eagerly await comments from members of the crew.
>>155969554Disney always keep really quiet about disaster projects or ones with bad blood unfortunately. I've never been able to get confirmation of the original story of The Bear and The Bow before the director was sacked.This is what I understand the original plot of The Bear and the Bow/Brave to be>when Merida goes back to the witch, she actually unknowingly goes back in time>monster bear was her mother>ruined kingdom was her kingdom, it was destroyed by war after her refusal to do her duty as Princess caused relations between clans to break down.We got that greentext of Wish which seems to match up with things we know but also never had confirmation
>>155969634The Sweatbox was a miracle to witness
>>155966272>6/10 at bestfrom someone like that I assume the real rating hovers around "the writers should be executed violently for the entertainment of millions"
>>155966642Qrd on Zootopia 2? What was changed last minute?
>>155970626A U T I S M
>>155966313WDAS in general just has a nasty habit of cycling through the same 4 or 5 people to direct their features. That's why their output has grown so generic as of late.
>>155970646They ripped out a romance / pseudo-love-triangle plot but left a bunch of the original plot beats in the movie.
>>155970646Judy was originally separated from Nick far earlier and did a big chunk of the investigation with Gary and Pawbert instead. They visit places like the museum and a hospital for clues. Pawbert teaches her to enjoy herself and it is implied there is a bit of romantic tension, setting up a love triangle with them and Nick. All of this was scrapped in favour of her spending more time with Nick in act 2.
>>155966313Is Disney just afraid to fire these people?
>>155966313This sounds awful
>>155966272How the hell is it unfinished this late into production
>>155969634I always got the impression that Elinor and Merida originally were sent back in time with Merida causing the chain of events that results in Mordu turning on his brothers and seeking out the witch. Merida would also accomplish the great feats that the clans are known for in the present, explaining why the suitors (originally meant to be the fathers, not the sons) are infatuated with her to begin with. Time loop stuff.Except the twist would be that Mordu isn't the bear, it's always been the transformed Elinor. Mordu fucking dies and everyone in the past thinks he was magically transformed (somehow). The witch sends Elinor back into the present while her mother is left behind for centuries. Fergus assumes "Mordu" killed his wife (only finding her clothes) and the rest of the movie plays out as follows except it's Merida stopping her father from killing her mother. Merida apologizes, breaking the spell. A de-transformed Elinor apologizes in turn, finally realizing how much she hurt her daughter by trying to force her to be just like her.That's why so much promotional material emphasizes Merida's fixation on Mordu, the story of the brothers, and the clan symbols/artifacts.
>>155966313>have access to probably all the talent in the world in your field>keep using the same 5 chicks who ruined the last half dozen projects
>>155967500>test screening>creative integrityhuh...
>>155968514>How isn't Disney firing people en massé for this?Because she does what the executives want without complaining
>>155966272Disney's marketing dept. is getting desperate I see...
>>155966623Not really unless they made some insane changes. Normally the storyboard part of production would have ended little over a year ago. But since they have been making so many late hour changes they will likely still be animating on this thing until a couple weeks before the release.
>>155968514This is sort of what happens when almost everyone in the building is insanely connected, 2nd and 3rd generation Hollywood elite. Everyone is too connected and too important or related to someone that is too important to do anything about. So nothing changes.
>>155969634>>155972901The stuff I have seen had it more as a sealed off evil type of thing. Merrida abandoned her duties when she ran off which led to war, which led to the old King or old bear monster to be released and it causes havoc in the kingdom until Merrida comes back to stop it.
>>155975376The too many sidekicks thing happened in Wish as well. Way too many friends, too many talking animals etc. It made the cast too bloated to work for a 2 hour movie.
>>155969043Easy, she does what the board wants with little to no pushback. whenever Disney wants to make a film they can get a situation where the director wants to do creative stuff or pushes back on changes the board wants to make things more marketable. you don't want to fire the director because production will go tits up. The solution is simple, have a co-director on the film to act as the boards voice and do what they want. And if the film bombs then they'll blame the other guy for messing up production, which is how this particular director keeps getting promoted despite being attached to disasters.
>>155968582>CGI allows for a lot of changes during creationCGI and AI anon
>>155969634Post the Wish greentext, I've never seen it.
>>155976587Ditto.
>>155968514That was happening back in Walt's time as well. Famously Jungle Book was going through a lot of redrafts until they cast Balloo and it finally gave the movie a focus. They rewrote and changed storyboards to expand Balloo's role when that happened.
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>>155977745Lookin' good, bro.
There was also this post recently. Nothing seems to be going right for this film
Even the initial concept for the movie was dumb. How the hell can you write a mother + son adventure? Such a thing doesn't exist. It'd just be her nagging the entire time.
>>155966313>>155968514Every single industry works like this now - incompetent bureaucrats get put in charge of companies or projects, they mismanage the fuck out of them and either crash the project or bankrupt the company, and then they go on to bigger and better things because they kissed the right asses or sucked the right dicks.I used to work for a branch of a company that manufactured components and equipment for ultra high vacuum systems. Our project team developed a revision to one of our turbopumps that would have reduced pump-down time on systems by 30-40% and unit cost by 25%; we would have been selling units as fast as we could manufacture them, but instead upper management laid off a bunch of our engineering team so they could fill the project with sycophantic ass-kissers to try and ride the wave and then bungled the project so badly that a competitor beat us to market. Almost the entire remaining engineering team ended up quitting and taking jobs at other places, and the company's entire UHV branch ended up getting shut down several years ago. The manager who fucked up the project got promoted to an executive position and all his little brown-noser faggot friends all have upper management jobs at other firms now; one was even hired by my current employer, so I'm already searching job postings in preparation for them to fuck our shit up.Every industry is like this now, incompetence and blind loyalty are rewarded at the expense of actual results. It's just buffoonery all the way up.
>>155978770Eh, I'm sure Japan's probably done its fair share and made it cute. Like a doting mother that's actually lovable in how she tries to protect her kid as opposed to where over here they'd write her to be a "sympathetic bitch" type. Like, whenever a woman is in a situation to be an asshole or mean (in this case, getting annoyed about her son being in danger, probably being reckless, disobeying orders) they will always take the chance to do so. In Japan they have more variety in how they write women but you at least have the CHANCE they're cute and sweet, and their moments of anger could still be cutesy.The mom/son dynamic was the only reason I was even slightly interested in this movie before because it seemed a bit different from the usual. I didn't expect anything good but I'd at least check on how it went through second-hand reception first. Then they got cold feet about letting a guy exist and made it 2 quirky women and generational trauma (which probably would've been there anyway.) They can go to hell man.
>>155978770>How the hell can you write a mother + son adventure? Such a thing doesn't exist.There is a surprising lack of good mother/son dynamics in fiction.
>>155973629this. all you have to do to be successful is yessir your way to the top.
Tickets on sale, new trailer toohttps://x.com/DisneyAnimation/status/2112529281397977125
>>155979807>holy smoly....i want to punch this main character
>>155979906You and everyone else
>>155966272Why watch Hexed when you can get GEXED instead?
>>155979959you make a compelling argument, sir.
Thought we'd abandoned these corny 3D posters years ago
>>155980270Someone approved this. A human being who is capable of dressing themselves and putting food in the right hole looked at this and said>That's great! Send it to print!
>>155980270They probably mostly did but this is in such desperate need of appealing to anyone they need to remind everyone that 3D viewing is a fun option.
OK, place your bets, how many squares are we thinking?
>>155980458Suprisingly few of those have shown up already.Even the reddit and "criticism of any female character is sexist!" are kinda tired of the adorkable quirk chungus teen girl protagonists. A lot of them also won't apply when this is clearly going to flop. Disney aren't rolling out their social media army and funko pop critics for this one.Left middle, top middle are the ones I've seen which are pretty mild
>>155966272Imagine actually caring about the relative quality of Disney movies in current year. Un-fucking-real.
who's the fucking turbo autist that keeps necrobumping this shit thread? No one cares about your hateboner faggot
>>155980604Believe it or not anon, multiple people will have opinions on a multimillion dollar movie
>>155980917>day old thread>less than 100 repliesnah, it's definitely a desperate turbo autist keeping this up for no reason
>>155980458>>155980545Hexed being compared to The Owl house from the get-go means few will defend it (I don't care about Hexed but I think ToH is the most overrated show of the 2020s)
All this tracksCasual reminder: Modern Disney movies are ALWAYS on the wire of being worked on and released since at least BH6https://files.catbox.moe/k009je.mp4
first disney movie to be made for the reaction gif & short form content farms!
>>155982484this reminds me of that joke i hated in the ralph 2 trailer where he's in some bunny eating game and it causes the little girl to scream with a wacky dramatic zoom in on her terrified face
