While the 40th "Anniversary" is June 2027. I cant help but feel Dred looking at this, it's like my body is expecting a rug pull and a punch to the gut.
40th anniversary of what? Spider-Man just had his 60th anniversary in 2022.
>>155968057Hmm....before I say anything, that sword looks awfully ugly and uncool.Anyway, this is presumably Zdarsky's Avengers event and I think that leak in a prior thread said 2 possible outcomes for the OMD retcon right? Like one is safe and boring while the other might actually lead to an interesting status quo/long path to redemption for Marvel?
>>155968057Tony sees this as his opportunity to bang MJ.
>>155968271The marriage was in 1987. OMD was in 2007.
>>155968271The Marriage. I would have been 40 years.
>>155968057Peter is now married to Mephisto.
Cue the schizos, marvel interns, pajeets, and polish pedophile getting put into the HOAD. KWABOTY goes to Lowe, Slott, and Gwenschizo for displaying high levels of RAPED behavior. Muh gwen?! More like muh sales...have gotten too low, quick break EMERGENCY GLASS!
>>155968057The Avengers just need to call T'Challa, he already beat the shit out of Mephisto once. I don't get why so many superheroes are falling for this guy's shit.
>>155968432Blacks get special treatment that's why.
>>155968057At this point it wouldnt even fix anything. They’re not throwing out decades of comics they can sell in trade format. This is the same reason new 52 was never fully scuttled by DC and that was only 5 years. They won’t pull the bandaid off because every comic since OMD will be unsellable.
>>155968487Jokes on them, they're already unsellable. The average normie hears about the event gauntlet of starting with Disassembled and ending with current day event like tasteless faggots like Comicsexplained recommends but then they start it and realize it's immature and trashy nonsense and it stays that way.
>>155968453Miles made a deal with Mephisto. Blackness alone can't stop him.
>>155968487Nobody was buying post-OMD ASM anyway. That shit has been ass almost the entire time.
Paul would have Pauled Mephisto into undoing OMD but he's too busy sipping drinks on the beach in sunny Acapulco.
>>155968057How can one blame Marvel for bullying Peterfags, there are the most bullyable pathetic crybabies of the whole comicsdom.
>>155968057Nobody cares about that post Carol spoilers
>>155968487could literally re tell superior, PI and so on, in the context of the marriage. all these stories can Play out differently.
>>155968709does no one else complain? or do you just lay there while Shogun rapes your asshole.
>>155968679Yeah me and your mom are there as well. I just sodomized her on several A.M. and F.M. radio stations. Her moans were heard all across Meh-ico. Paul watched from the chair.
>>155968782I'm not the one who keeps mass buying ASM while crying about how my imaginary wife cucked me with Paul
>>155968897Nobody I know buys ASM, they do complain though. i don't know who buys the book outside of collectors.
>>155968057>Marvel is baiting people with undoing OMD so that they'll buy their shitty Miracleman fanfics.I refuse.
>>155968057all this means is he's gonna trick Mephisto into being a pigeon again
>>155968281Which one was the interesting one?
>>155969110There's a higher chance of them putting Spidey on hiatus and hard rebooting him than a simple undoing of OMD
When are they going to expand on the fact that Mephisto wanted Peter and MJ's daughter because she's supposed save the world or something like that?
>>155969988Writers hate following on other writer's lingering plot points so probably not lol
I'm not chasing the ball Lucy.And even if you let it be kicked, there is no way it will be a goal. Too many of the usual suspects are still there and we can't go scorched earth like we need to.>>155969988Makes far too much sense and fans want to see it, we continue every other plotpoint that nobody wanted like what Paul does for a living.
>>155968057AWWWWW COME ON...!!!
>>155969988Why not just have her save the world and then toss her out afterwards hope summers style?
>>155968057Mephisto is going to end up as some sort of rape victim by the end of this even if they’re not undoing OMD.
>>155969160I think one had them remember the deal but they still split up even after it is undone or removed.The other is I think what this guy said. Cannot find the exact post where this laid out the possible 2 outcomes.>I called a buddy of mine in the marvel offices after seeing this announcement. Yes it's a sequel to OMD, called "One Day More" which essentially, as he told me, acts as a Marvel answer to Flashpoint, with the ending supposedly resetting the entire marvel universe to present day and hand waving away a lot of timeline issues. Results in an aged up Peter and MJ like NuUltimate. Written by Zdarsky
>>155970321Makes far too much sense and fixes too much to be real.
>>155968057I don't care about this OMD bullshit, I'm more interested in what direction Zdarsky takes MirracleMan.
>>155970392Yeah I'm skeptical. However Zdarsky becoming the next main editor alongside Wacker does make me think there is an internal struggle between the people who require money to be made and others who cling to this cancer that has been killing their company. Who knows. I think Zdarsky seems like an ok guy but he can easily fall prey to troll's remorse SA shit like Cybershell or be like the RLM guys where they still have some part of themselves think they are superior in some way to others. It doesn't help I listened to the manga podcast he had with these kinda lame people, trying to convince him in the wrong ways on how to view manga.
>>155968057They're going to undo One More Day in an Avengers book instead of the main Spider-Man book? Honestly, fuck that. Fuck you. Do it in the main book, I'm not reading Avengers, you faggots.
>another Avengers run with Mephisto as antagonistFirst biting Loeb with Red Hulk takeover plot, then from Bendis with the roster and Sentry knockoff, now stealing from Aaron too? Zdarsky fell off hard
>>155970457They'd almost have to do it outside of the main book because the main book editors won't allow it.
>>155970445I think Cebulski being out and Wacker being brought in has really damaged the Quesada death-cult’s stranglehold on the company.
>>155970649Whacker is apart of it thouogh
>>155970733He hasn’t been a part of it for years.I will say if this doesn’t pan out the way fans hope it’s going to pan out, then Marvel will have deliberately hammered a nail into its own coffin for absolutely no reason.
>>155968057>My pedophile botch boy Paul might have failed… but you will NEVER take my legacy from me!>GWENSCHIZO! SAVE ME AND GWEN STACY WILL BE REVIVED AS A MEMBER OF THE X-MEN!
>>155970321> think one had them remember the deal but they still split up even after it is undone or removed.This is the myopic and depressing option that reeks like divorced loser. So Its the option they will go with.
>>155970321>reset the entire universe to fix one Spider-Man mistakeFucking awful, they do that and I'll stop reading.
>>155971027Probably not just that, but either it’s a massive reboot or else they’re finally pulling the life support OMD is on and just breaking the deal but keeping Peter and MJ separate for now.
>>155970918DAMN IT IF PAUL HAD JUST RAPED DYLAN BROCK LIKE HIS BOSS MEPHISTO INTENDED NONE OF THIS WOULD’VE HAPPENED MEPHISTO IS GOING TO DIE
>>155971150>BREAKING NEWS: Paul was a loser.Shocker.
>>155968057It's not bait. Spidey is getting his own sword soon.
Reminder that Mephisto got defeated and humiliated by Sister Sorrow, sorry Quesadafags but this is bad news for our favorite big red male stripper.
>>155971231>AIEEE>MY CAPE!>MY DIAPER!!!>NOOOO HAVE MERCY SISTER SORROW
>>155970321Is Peter going to fight Mephisto and win? I don't really care about the other stuff.
>>155971220I miss Shocker…Not Paul though.
>>155971257Mephisto is an utterly bitchmade faggot whose best attempts at stealing souls was steal a fucking marriage, or else steal the soul of someone’s son by accident instead of the guy he was making a deal with.Mephisto is retarded.
>>155968057>reverse image search>https://desuarchive.org/co/search/image/_jKejQy_OPJbOt-nraLITw/>1 result foundOP is someone from Marvel. Post more leaks.
>>155971231I fucking hate magic.
>>155971314It got leaked on Xwitter first.
>Spider-Man vs Mephisto is Marvel's version of Superman vs Dr ManhattanMite b cool if he breaks the no kill rule against Mephisto. I wouldn't expect Marvel to do it thoughever.
>>155971221Slop.
>>155968057That page proves that Spider-Man is the protagonist of Marvel, and the franchise revolves around him.
>>155971081Big reboots never fucking work. Just keep going and course correct when possible. A massive attempt to "refine" canon always leads to even more mistakes and errors than what they were trying to fix to begin with. These fucking editors can't even keep track of stuff that was written under them, and you think they will know what should and should not be retconned? Fix Peter's stupid deal with the devil and leave the rest of the universe alone.
>>155971408Well, yes.
>>155971412Nope, rest of the universe gets affected because Spider-Man is the main character and everyone is second fiddle. Every event or comic without Spider-Man can be disregarded as filler, non-canon or a spin-off. 'fraid so.
>>155971314>He's not on the secret discordNgmi
>>155971492Well might as well undo disassembled as well. But I dunno if they are that ballsy to do so.
>>155971257Perhaps. Spencer and Zdarsmt seemed to be on the same wavelength when they were doing Spideybooks and Spencer's run had Mayday be integral to stopping Mephisto.
>>155971081What's the point of undoing it if you are not putting them back together? If its the same result what's the fucking point. These creators are just hateful.
>>155971625Holy fuck I'm tired. Sorry for the stroke I had. Now I'll have a different one to sexy mayday pix I have saved up.>>155970457OMD had far-reaching effects and if it is undone then the spider-related effects will be laid out in the main book, obviously.
>>155971643They get to say>there, we dealt with it, the deal is undoneBut the effect is still the same, MJ and Peter spend time apart until they have an ASM writer who actually wants to write them. Arguably with what we have on hand it's for the best.Everyone seems to be forgetting Kelly writes a terrible MJ, you really want this guy to be writing their reunion after their interactions in Death Spiral?MJ and Peter feeling disgusted with themselves and unworthy of love, then piecing their self-worth, trust and a life together again is a good arc. Assuming we really are moving on with OMD as part of history, and not just flashpointing to an effective reboot.
>>155970321The only time leaks on 4 chan have ever been true was Ben Affleck image op on /vp/ about sword and shieldAnd the guy who leaked sora for smash ultimate because he worked for Disney music and helped Nintendo use simple and clean in the trailer
>>155971694>>155971645It's making putting ASM on hiatus sound more and more preferable so they can bring in people who aren't protecting the Sony contract
>>155971721Nigga, there have been a much greater amount of leaks across a greater history than what you're saying across many different boards like /a/, /tv/, /v/, and /co/ itself.
>>155971694Kelly has worn out his welcome. The sooner he's gone the better.
>>155971733It should be for the ongoings health, look at where we are now? Considered a joke plot everywhere except where the shills and bots are rampant. They need new blood under new direction, and Lowe being the longest serving editor for ASM really does say it all.
>>155968057I know the at Marvel reasons they did it but did they ever in universe go beyond "Mephisto wanted to stop Mayday Parker being born"? because plenty of heros and even villains have taken Mephisto on and won. Why was Spidergirl such a "gotta time abortion this one" issue for him?Like did they even imply its some butterfly effect deal or what?
>>155971694We already got that arc with JMS. We need a competent nigga who can, day 1, write good Spider-Man in general and good MJ x Peter after showing competency with MJ and Peter as characters in general. You can write them as well-acquainted friends like Elaine and Jerry but then have the cherry on top at the end like Spencer did of his issue 1.
>>155971788It was good breadcrumbs by Spencer he didn't get to elaborate on because the cabal took his run behind the Shed and gave it the Wells SHED treatment.>>155971794JMS wrote a great reunion, but it was for circumstances significantly less insane and retarded than the OMD and the BND era. They would have to come to terms with all the horrific shit done between then and now by writers and editors who wanted this bridge burnt.
>>155968057Why did they make Mephisto the archnemesis of Spider-Man and the one responsible for everything bad in his life, when they barely interacted before
>>155968057>MUH LEGACY>PEOPLE SECRETLY LOVE IT I SWEAR>MUH SILENT MAJORITY>NOOOOOOO
>>155969988they reference Peter and MJ's baby every few years just to jingle the keys
>>155971827Because they made Mephisto the embodiment of the same editorial fiat that will be killing and kicking his character for the next two decades.Quite the freudian slip that the best embodiment of your wishes is evil incarnate.
>>155971838That's the big one, Mayday being alive in a lab or adopted somewhere.God I want her to chew out her parents so bad, like let loose. Also hunt down Otto like a dog.
>>155971853He’s evil incarnate…And child molestation is the most evil act a person could do…Bros, Mephisto is a child molester…
>>155968295It will forever be One More Day.Your here forever.Bwaaa haaa haaa haaa!
>>155971895Yeah, see, Quesada looks like a child molester…
>>155969988>>155971865it was never explained what this page from Gold Goblin meant, I think it was Queen Goblin who carved these names, implying that the evil side of Norman still remembers killing/kidnapping Peter and MJ's baby. The recent MJ flashback comic set during their marriage references the stillbirth, so I don't think they're going with the Quesada bullshit of them wearing a condom so she was never born
>>155968324Face it, tiger.It's not actually Mephisto. It's was Mysterio posing as Mephisto to get Peter to gay marry him.
>>155971827What would the DC equivalent of Peter and Mephisto be? Joe Chill being a pawn of Darkseid?
>>155971827It was me, Ba... er... Peter.
>>155971916>Mayday comes back and makes the Red Hood look like a pacifist hunting down Norman and OttoThere's a dearth of edgy Spiders because they don't use Kaine, and if anyone has an excuse to be bitter at 616 it's Mayday.>you fuckers went to SCHOOL with this guy?
>>155971572Oh yeah. Nick Fury is black.
>>155971827Seriously, making Mephisto the mastermind behind Green Goblin is hilariously dumb
>>155971694its all taking too long, what you are describing is a fine arc. BUT I AM TIRED OF FUCKING WAITING, I AM OUT PATIENCE, I want them back together Pronto, tell the reconciliation in a flash back. That is precisely what the Friendly Neighborhood Mary Jane book should be. Why do they keep giving her books with no Peter.
>>155971865How old would Mayday be anyway
>>155971945barbatos retconning itself into batmans origin is almost 1:1, except stupider because mephisto has plans outside of being a primordial elder god that existed for aeons for the sole purpose of messing with one person who would eventually exist at some point in the distant future.
>>155972065Could be anything from a toddler to Valeria's age, comic books are weird and people age around Peter and not with him.
>>155972050Better to wait and get some sort of catharsis/better grounds for a repaired relationship longterm than give it to BND alumni who WILL shit the bed immediately and try to monkeys paw the situation.
>>155972065Bit younger than Normie, so somewhere between 9 to 11?
>>155971972Nick Fury Jr* is mixed*
>>155972065Like 5 max
>>155972236>Mayday returns>brings a shovel to bury half the Spider variants behind the outhousePlease golden child, deliver us from Slott OC hell.
As time has gone on it's become clear that Mayday's life was the thread of prophecy, and the severing of it during the worst of the 90's Aunt May revival nonsense set us up for the Bad Ending in a doomed world.
>>155968057Mephisto was all set to revive Gwen Stacy too now Marvel has to cancel that plan because of Zdarsky the MJfag…
>>155972310It's all John Byrne's fault>“It was always going to be the baby,” DeFalco tells Popverse. “I think John Byrne was the one who decided that we would keep a cat in the crib. And I’m trying to figure out how a cat stays in a crib. John just decided he wanted to go off on his own way, that it was Aunt May coming back, because when he was a kid Aunt May was there.”>At the time Marvel was gearing up for a massive Spider-Man relaunch spearheaded by John Byrne. The relaunch kicked off with the return of Aunt May, who had previously died in Amazing Spider-Man #400. When asked if the original plan was for the Parkers to be reunited with their missing child, DeFalco confirmed that this had been the original approved story pitch.
>>155972358In the end, it all goes back to MUH GWEN and MUH CHILDHOOD
>>155968057You may have defeated my minion Paul, wallcrawler, but now you must face me! Nyehehehe!
>>155972236Normie was already old enough to talk when May was born, she would have to be at least a few years younger than him. I'm thinking she's 6 at the most.
>>155972358I thought Harras had decided that there was never going to be a resolution to the baby May plot and that they should just keep stringing people along for sales
>>155972824I feel like every plot is just stringing along what the audience wants to see.What happened to substance and expanding on the substance?
>>155972274I like the Idea of their first born dying and Peter and MJ having to struggle through that. But I think they should have and older daughter, middle son, and then young twins (boy and girl)
>>155972358is this when they literally drew Mayday as a cat?
>>155968057Now we just have to fix all the shit that was done to the Avengers and X-Men and Marvel will be back on top baby!
>>155972358>John just decided he wanted to go off on his own way, that it was Aunt May coming back, because when he was a kid Aunt May was there.”holy fuck why are comic writers such gigantic manchildren
>>155972923>>155973057Why is there such a big thick muscle for spite in these writers and editors?You want a run to be like your childhood? Start a new series/ongoing, if it's good then it will sell, if it's shit then good thing you didn't cripple the mainline dragging it back where it had moved on from maturely.
>>155971572This looks genuinely fucking awful.
>>155973112It looks overly wordy and complicated for something really stupid, like most event comics.
>>155971949>zoomZoom is Wally's Reverse Flash, not Barry's
>>155971221Usually it's Miles stealing Petes shit, glad to see it's a two way street
>>155971915Who fantasizes about having no targets to molest?
>>155973137Some shit isn't worth stealing. Spider-Man does not need fucking swords and extra powers.
>>155968057>>155971221>The Avengers are fighting Mephisto with magical swords.Putting the OMD bait aside, is Zdarsky ripping off the whole Mephisto was inspired by Prince Wayfinder and The Sword in the Star stuff from the Earth X trilogy?
>>155973093Gen X childhood comic culture was defined by the titles you could afford. If your parents couldn't afford Spider-Man, you'd grow resentful and disillusioned with its story when you finally got to read it.
>>155972358>>155973057Dont you fags find interesting that this paedo ginger is responsible for ruining both superman and spider-man out of spite?
>>155973341It is the source of his power
>>155973137>>155973351I want more creative uses for already existing powers, not pulling out electricity from your ass. Spider-Man already has one of the most versatile powersets in the business, needing to add more shows you've either reached your limit as a writer or the powerlevels are getting out of control.
>>155972035Fucking moronic. But the writer is an mj Stan, so sainthood despite retardation
>>155968057Why do people praise Chip Zdarsky? Seems like a Reddit writer.
>>155971788apparently, Mephisto knows the future of everything and everyone, including his.he 'knows' at some point in the future he will win, he will conquer the universe, he will murder all the heroes, however, spiderman is the ONLY hero who survives and at the end, he is the one who stops him. that's what he wants to avoid.or maybe he is aware that no matter what he does, that cannot be avoided, and thus, he wants to make the only absolute true hero in the Marvel universe, even more than Captain America, live an existence of eternal torment while his moment of destiny comes.
>>155974240>apparently, Mephisto knows the future of everything and everyone, including his.Why does he job so much then?He loses in every plot that isn't him being given petty victories for almighty unholy editorial.
>>155968057Reminder that cannon reason OMD happened is because Maphisto foresaw Spider girl would be the cause of his final defeat and needed to stop her from being born. So, to address OMD, we will have to address this too.
>>155974382Mayday being held in some Osborn lab as final insurance to fuck over Mephisto is very Norman, and would be the rocket fuel for the next era of ASM with actual drive and plot again.
>>155974216His Spectacular Spiderman run wasn't dog shit and he came up with one of the few status quo changes of the BND era people liked, which was JJJ finding out Peter=Spidey and the two becoming besties as a result rather than JJJ quadrupling down on trying to ruin Peter like he did under PAD in FNSZm
>>155974240Ngl man I’m new to this comic stuff but it Sounds like writing yourself to into a hole
>>155974587It's a big problem with too OP/accomplished/competent characters, or villains that are too hyped. It's difficult to write a genius when you are not a genius. It's difficult to write a god/galaxy wide threat when it's time to defeat them, unless you're in a setting where this sort of conflict is the norm.
Surely this time it will be different, right sisters?
>>155974623>OMD was bitter medicine but healthy for the ongoing, as per Brevoort>keep bringing it up and baiting its reversal for decades after, because the wound went septic and it boosts salesIt's wild. Pick a lane Marvel or get some self-respect Spiderdrones.
>>155974694I think Paul Rabin fucked them over, and a lukewarm response to NYCC and the thousandth issue scared them, along with them losing Market Share to DC.The last time Marvel went full on 'break glass in case of emergency,' we got Ultimate Spider-Man for a while. So maybe this one will be interesting.
>>155974776Rabin was the hail mary pass of BND, the last great act of spite of a office that had failed to actually replace what they broke despite two decades to find something that justified it.
>>155971788Mephisto is a dick. He knew Pete would be a good husband and father and wanted to take that from him. If it sounds petty, it's because it is; because he is. See the initial point.
>>155971945Identity Crisis and what it did to Ray PLmer and Jean Loring. Or Ralph and Sue.
>>155974962It was definitely a BND throwback run, an attempt to 'get back to basics' and break up Peter and MJ again to show us ungrateful fuckers that it's their way or the highway!And it was shit!
>>155975419It's not Zeb Wells' fault that Spencer shit the bed with nearly 100 issues of nothing.
>>155975464Spencers arc couldn't amount to anything because it got kneecapped, and much of it was spent fixing a decade of Slott shit.What the fuck load did Wells have to carry for Spencer? Everything he did was undone at issue one in the most insulting and castrating of ways. Absolutely hold Wells at fault for his mystery box.
>>155973131shit. you're right. I am a filthy casual or my memory ain't what it used to be. I posted the wrong pic.
My HERO will beat the SHIT out of JOBphisto and erase OMD. Trust the plan.
>>155968057What are the broader implications of other Marvel heroes finding out that Spidey made a deal with the devil that permanently changed the reality?
>>155976215Mephisto got his ass beat by like a rented mule by Sister Sorrow, Mr. Miracle is going to rape him.
>>155976215GOAT!!!
>>155968057They're not gonna undo or fix OMD and its effects. You're just being baited yet again.AT MOST, this will be some shit like "Mephisto had some scheme and plan that started with stealing away the marriage and its now about to come to fruition, probably by skewering Peter with that sword". So the story will be about stopping Mephisto from skewering Peter. Ruining Mephisto's scheme, but OMD stays in place, and its one of those endings where "Even when I lose, I still won, Peter" because the marriage/daughter is still gone.That kind of shit is probably the best outcome of this, realistically.
>>155976356At the very least, it destroys any hold Mephisto has on Peter. He shoots his shot, he loses, he fucks off. Peter and MJ are free to come back together on their own after that, even if they do or don't get married.I want the deal flushed away, and I want Mephisto to fuck off, similar to how Paul has finally fucked off.
>>155976383Paul hasn't fucked off until Dead Language is retconned or at least properly addressed. He is hanging over MJ like Gwen when GOBBO'd.That said I'm concurring with >>155976356OMD I just don't see getting addressed properly whilst its engineers are still there.
>>155976383Frankly, I'm fine with Quesada's legacy just getting utterly dumpstered. He considered it a very personal story that he wrote after his dad died, and the truth of the matter is that his dad would probably still be alive if his son was just less of an utter faggot.
>>155976215If Colton undoes OMD, I am gonna buy his every comic.
>>155976393The only people who still give a fuck about Paul is the one guy going on autistic rants about the Paul above all and the Polish guy obsessed with child rape. The rest don't give a fuck. It's a dead story, with a dead manbun, and the truth of the matter is that if Paul had sucked less they wouldn't be going "break glass in case of emergency" now. They didn't just have to Old Yeller Paul, Paul somehow brought OMD down with him, because they're desperate to somehow win people back after Issue 1000 ended up being a wet fart.
>>155971895Who drew this accurate portrait?
>>155976407Lad, the actor who played MJ's boyfriend in BND went out of his way to say he is not Paul in a bit part that got millions of impressions on X.It's the most infamous part of ASM at present, he is synonymous with modern ASMs direction. You're up a tree if you think killing him gets rid of the damage he did.
>>155976356They're not going to undo its effects, OMD will still have happened.But they are breaking any deal that Spider-Man made with Mephisto, and Mephisto probably ends up in a self-fulfilling prophecy where a Spider-Person, either Peter or Mayday, fucking kills him, as alluded to in the end of Spencer's run.Mephisto's going to be dead for a good long while after this one.
>>155976422I'm saying that the reason the Spider-Office is in full on "break glass in case of emergency" mode right now is precisely because of all the damage Paul did. They have to sober up, get their shit together, and deliver something that feels like an actual apology to win people back, or else Wacker's new tenure is dead in the water after they let people down yet again.And you can bet that people are going to be bringing up all the skeletons in Wacker's closet ad nauseum, just like how they kept bringing up Cebulski's time as Akira Yoshida, if he fucks this up.
>>155976454You still seem past the sale on OMD being addressed and even undone, we still have yet to see any of that beyond out of context hype panels, just like those hype panels of the park conversation between MJ and Peter that was a car crash.I just see more keys being shaken, and at most another 'technicality' victory where Mephisto is supposedly outsmarted by MJ in OMIT despite getting everything he wanted anyway. So the deal is 'undone', but MJ and Peter aren't getting married again so long as there is a BND majority in the bullpen.
>>155976477Then just enjoy the fact that teasing it this hard, building up people's expectations to an unheard of level, and then letting these people down again and absorbing a tidal wave of backlash that is both entirely avoidable and totally self-inflicted, is going to hurt them worse than even Paul ever dead.If they fuck this up, it's an even bigger nail in their coffin then Paul was. Zdarsky's run is going to be dead in the water, and Wacker's tenure is also going to be stillborn.
>>155976526All I know is>I've never been surprised when underestimating the Spoffice>the Spoffice still speaks and behaves as if there is nothing wrong>if you ask Lowe, then #1000 was a giant success, as was the Wells run which was 'controversial' but daring, we like to zig when the audience wants us to zag>OMD was necessary and Spider-Man is about youthUntil I hear clear and hard messages to the contrary, we are reading what we want to into the tea-leaves of what they publish and what they advertise. Don't apply typical market forces to the Spoffice, they have Disney bux and for all intents and purposes work on goddamn tenure, they are immune to typical consequences of pissing off your audience.
>>155976602If they weren't starting to cave to the backlash then Paul would still be alive.
>>155976817Paul had served his purpose, and the actual impact of what he did got swept, Peter and MJ still aren't together.Nothing has been fixed, it's just no more chicken korma pages.
>>155968487They don't reprint their fucking trades anyways, what are you talking about?
Perch was saying a ways back that there was going to be something that would make fans a little happy. I don't know if I fully buy that because I heard this song before but we have been well passed the IN CASE OF EMERGENCY BREAK GLASS for a very long time.
>>155976997I don't even know why they needed to wait for an emergency situation for it.If you KNOW the audience wants it, and you're clearly floundering, why wait until it boils to do anything?
>>155977006Same reason some people don't start their assignments until the deadline is near, no incentive.
>>155977006I mean AT FIRST there was probably hope that something might actually come out of this happy horseshit but we're two decades deep and have nothing to show for it.
>>155977073I can't believe an endless stasis frozen in some mythical period of the ongoing that never really happened, was not something that could be sustained.Who could have predicted this?
>>155976602We're at a point where if they tease undoing OMD and don't follow through, the backlash could be really fucking bad. It would be a PR nightmare if it goes mainstream that Marvel's flagship character made a deal with the devil and they keep making the devil win. Marvel made a public statement when the media found out about Cap saying "Hail HYDRA." They would be better off never mentioning Mephisto again if they're just going to pull the football.
>expecting good things from Marvel ComicsTWENTY MORE YEARS
>>155977108OMD is one of their sacred cows (probably Marvel Comics' most sacred cow at this point), Steve being a HYDRA agent is nothing compared to that.
>>155977108I hope for the best, but in a twisted way I expectedly imagine otherwise just so I can conclusively file Wacker as more of the same despite his speech.
Miles and Doc Ock also made deal with Mephisto.What will happen to them?Superior-bros, will the die be cast?
>>155977159What did Miles exchange for Kamala again? Some evil nigga's soul?
>>155968299And it hasn’t been a thing for almost 20 years
>>155977159Wasn't Superior taken out back and shot by Slott himself to ensure it will never happen again? I haven't kept up with the revival memberberry series because I didn't even like the first.
>>155977149I'm becoming a 616 accelerationist.Get worse. Get worse rapidly and faster so we can get an on-high course correction with a new staff and vision brought in. Don't let this bunch hand-select their successors.
>>155977167Someone died in her place, at the least Miles does not get the convenient amnesia. He's got to carry that weight.Although nobody brings it up so it might as well never have happened. Kamala really needs to stop hanging out with Spiders, she keeps dying around them.
>>155968299Superman marriage anniversary is coming up and getting a celebration.And you just KNOW DC is going to be smug about it. Please do. Be insufferable.
>>155977141Sure, but they're at a point where teasing the fans is clearly hurting them. Just stop talking about it if you really want everyone to move on. It won't work, but the grumbling will be quieter.
MEPHISTO IS OVERCOME AND DEFEATED BY THE AVENGERS WITH THE HELP OF MAYDAY PARKER, BUT HE IS QUICKLY REPLACED BY NONE OTHER THAN PAUL RABIN, WHO WILL TAKE PLACE AS ONE OF THE HELL LORDS OF THE MARVEL UNIVERSE
>>155977194Brevoort and the clique have for years said this medicine was good for us, but then treated the wound like a scab to pick at and never let it heal. I don't know what they expected, no shit nobody would move on, the ongoing never did. It just rotted in place and tried to distract with gimmicks as long as possible.
>>155977198I'm in favor of it.Let Paul go mask off on the villain we all saw him as, make him the open architect of his worlds death, and let him be a proper hatesink.The man can't be some hapless loser Ewing wrote him as and also the most important person who ever lived in his old world.
>>155977235B-but that would mean Paul manipulated MJ this whole time, w-which would be a form of r-r-rape, right? A-and... Lowe doesn't want that on his resume, does he?
>>155977269He already did but they just don't talk about it, because of the miscommunication between offices Ewing rested MJ's excuse on her not knowing about the time dilation.It will never be mentioned because it would undermine the 'heroes' end that Paul got before being Poochied, but yes all the red flags fans saw still amounted to rape by omission at the end. Again. It keeps happening with this office, Michelle, Spock, fucking over and over.
>>155969110I'm not buying it, but I am amused that things got so bad that they needed to bring in a sort-of Miracleman and bait resolving OMD to get people interested
>>155977175The sequel was better but Nick did take Superior out the back with a mephisto deal.I always thought the story would pivot to Ock actually dying back in #ASM 700 and Spock was merely Peter being delusional through Doc Ock hijinx.I liked the Superior titles a whole lot, everything but the shitty Mighty Avengers tie-in and Slott's actual writing. The second series, Avenging, Superior-Team Up and Superior Foes were fun, and the latter one was great.Superior Foes was one of the best runs ever, and I had a great time reading that alongside /co/.In the last threads leading to the finale Spencer and Lieber joined in and started posting on /co/ themselves.Sadly 2010s twitter ruined them and Slott.
>>155977290>well it was like a bankruptcy>very slowly at first, then all at once
I think people also forgot that things got so bad that Disney is pushing people higher up on the Marvel food chain than the EIC, out the door. Like one would've been surprising, but three people higher-up, and the EIC? I know people were disappointed that Brevoort or Lowe weren't leaving, but a bunch of people higher up than them being forced out is astounding considering they've been around since maybe the 2000s.
How much is Wacker gonna whore himself out to maintain the OMD status quo?
>>155969110Things got this bad because they do not have any talent left in the company so they have to break the glass, and they already tried a DC Marvel Crossover, so this is really dire.But I am with you, I will possibly hear how this missed the mark, if they ever do get to it way later.At this point the best outcome for American comics is to just dissolve the editorial and license the IP to China and Japan, like Marvel Rivals.
>>155976215I kneel......
>>155976215Is he like some sort of Marvel Man?
>>155977370If it gets licensed to China, we are getting the Felicia/MJ/Peter throuple.I am really really really coming up with no reasons to want it to stay in the USA compared to that, I want Felicia to win.
>>155977290>>155977341>>155977370They'll still find a way to fuck over the fans even with Disney breathing down their necks.
>>155977370>to just dissolve the editorial and license the IP to China and Japan, like Marvel Rivals.>KINO vidya>SOVL animation>Rivals devs respect the lore more than Marvel itselfBased.
>>155977472
>>155976428Careful, anon. You might cause the next big Spidey writer to do a hard reboot of Peter with no connection to any of the past arcs whatsoever just to spite editorial
>>155977472Anon, that was fucking garbage.I want EMH, not some Jujutsu Kaisen bullshit in Marvel colors.I cannot explain it but this was simultaneously well over animated and under animated at the same time.Shit was happening but I cannot tell what the fuck was happening.
>>155977141Midwestern and Southern audiences combined with Tiktok, anon. You know how quickly it would spread online that Spider-Man is Satanic?
>>155977517OMD and the more rapey parts of BND and Spock got under the radar because they were just prior the internet being everywhere and everything.
>>155977524And you think that means bible thumpers wouldn't notice it now?
>>155977472Fuck impact frames
>>155977528I've often said they are saved by how niche comics are nowadays.
>>155977472>that lore entry of how Peter is holding himself back of being worthySo good. Lore of Rivals is pretty well researched.
>>155977538I don’t even use Peter in that game and I want that skin
>>155977537I think it's more that they're paid to not discuss it. There's nothing truly niche to modern Christian schizos
>>155977538Are those tits?
>>155977547I doubt marvel are paying Christian schizos under the table to not pick at how stupid OMD is.It's just that these two audiences don't really cross over. The comics audience for marvel just shrinks because they double down on everything that rots it.
>>155977559>You don't get it. It's our precious.Only editorial shares this golem mentality
>>155977559>they double down on everything that rots itBecause they have no hope for the fucking medium anymore
>>155977571>inb4 brevoort ip farm comment
>>155977580I want an AI to generate what Tom would try to say to normalize or downplay sexual assault allegations. The way he types reminds me of Trump
>>155977580I'm still surprised that fatass is moving to CA.
>>155977597Let's pray he pisses off the wokies over there
>>155977607Man has already tried a QR code on the backpage scheme and been an AI in the comics apologist.
>>155973408>not using the excuse to bring back Purgatory PunisherShame, really.
>>155975822>>155975464I mean, even Slott came out and publicly said that Spencer was ramping up and fully intending to undo OMD, but he never ran it by Marvel hoping he'd be in too deep for them to say no. Turns out, Marvel didn't care and would rather 100~ issues would be pointless. Bold play by Spencer. I kinda respect it. Funnily, that means a lot of the teasing may just be genuine attempts to undo things, but editorial really is just that incompetent and inattentive. Whoever cropped this image should be fucking flogged. Plebbit faggots.
>>155977665>They made Whacko the head because he saw what made OMD bad firsthand
>Galactus predicted the fate of Mephisto
>>155977681Wacker was a OMD apologist who also downplayed the blatant sexual assault Spock was doing. I get you have to run cover for what was given to you, but let's not pretend he wasn't all in on making sure the ground was salted once OMD burnt it all.
>>155977665I'm honestly surprised they never acted sooner. Guess it shows how much they really pay attention.
>OOOOH MEPHISTO AND SPIDER-MAN>*shing shing*>OOOH PETER AND MJ BACK TOGETHER>*shing shing*>OOOOH WE ARE REALLY GONNA TOUCH ON OMD NOW>*shing shing*>OOOOOH BUY MY BOOK>*shing shing*
>>155977791It's jingle jingle. "Shing" sounds like a flash of light.
>>155977791Oh I'm not buying, I'm shitposting whilst waiting.Who would buy the thing before finding out if it's going to do the thing after all these times b8ed before?
>>155976215Colton-sama......
>>155977108I feel like people have said that every time a new bait happens.ASM readers are retarded cucks letting themselves be ragebaited to paying for garbage. The people left buying the book are the ones with no self worth who are fully fallen prey to the sunk cost fallacy - both monetarily and emotionally.They're going to whine and yell and pitch a fit, and then buy the next issue on Wednesday.Ain't nothing gonna change.
>>155977870It's best to be on the sidelines for success.Heads OMD is retconned/addressed, Tails we laugh at those who got Charlie'd and ASM continuing to circle the drain at double the speed.
>>155977879Pretty much, yeah.
>>155977190The dickhead in me wants them to do a Clark/Lois one-shot, throw in expys of Pete and MJ and just relentlessly use them to shit on Marvel.
>>155968057>40 years since a pointless event that went nowhereMarvel didn't turn to shit. It's always been shit lmfao
>>155977879I mean I really WANT it to be true, if it is I'll be pretty happy. I'm just not holding my breath.
>>155977597It just speaks to how unhireable he is and what his finaces must be like that he's going along with the move. Without Marvel, he's nothing.
>>155977895>one panel of mr mxyzptlk offering clark and lois eternal youth if he would just sign this contract undoing their marriage to enjoy the single life forev->clark just blows him out the room, lois closes the doorPlease DC. I need you to be maximum petty.
>>155977982I kind of don't want it to be true because I don't believe this team is the right one to get us back on track, most of them are the guys who shivved Caesar after-all.It's like handing the nuances of Peter and MJ where we need maximum quality writing and character fixes once the earthquakes are done to... Kelly.
Look I'm not going to sit here and pretend there isn't some key jiggling right now, but let's also not pretend there isn't some shit going down. OMD isn't getting addressed in an Avengers book, but the Avengers book 100% is being used to set up the OMD undo in what I imagine will become some sort of crossover book between ASM and the current Avengers book. My biggest piece to the puzzle? The "1 day" they announced at NYCC. It's very clearly their summer event and falling on the 20th anniversary of OMD isn't a coincidence. They know what they're doing and setting up Spiderman v Mephisto in Avengers is just the first step on the road to next June.Call me insane but I'd concede losing the story for ASM 1000 if they made it a proper event that requires some line wide event to address because it'll fuck up the 616 timeline as that'd arguably be a bigger wait to tell it.
>Peter is the confirmed leader of Zdarsky's Avengers>OMD undoing being teasedSOMETHING will HAPPEN.
>>155968057What the fuck does one more day being undone even mean at this point? To resolve that they'd need to kill Aunt May off again, and then Peter and MJ are married again even though we've had 20 years of stories of them being apart? At best they resolve that Peter and MJ remember it but decide to move on, which would be fine but it's never going to please the people who hated the whole thing.
>>155978163Mephisto kills Cap and that triggers Peter's memories of the deal to be restored
>>155977711That was referencing Aaron's Avengers run
ONE DAYI DON'T KNOW WHY
>>155978319IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY
>>155978319>>155978340Only worth it if Peter gains control over Hell, so he can then be called 616's "Emissary From Hell", and be a heroic equivalent to Knull
>>155978350Peter isn't Japanese it'd never work
>>155978319When was the last time we had a teaser to Big 2 a comic that was this cryptic
>>155978340>oh fuck I unmade my daughter>and I am curiously suddenly remembering the miscarriage(?) that makes OMIT nonsensicalKEEP THAT IN MIND, I DESIGNED THIS RHYME
>>155978361Peter fights the editors (god), the devil, achieves CHIM against the demiurge and has a harem end with Felicia and MJ.
Big hilarious assuming that Peter has a renewal of vows, who would be the best man? Considering Flash has been lusting after his notWife and disqualified himself as per the bro code.Fuck don't let it be Miles. It cannot be Miles. He is not old enough. Who hasn't with full knowledge fucked him over at some point?Give it to Beta Ray Bill.
>>155978383Kaine or Ben.>muh ChasmDon't care.
>>155978369Probably Incoming, but that was before people realized that it was a creative team jam issue
>>155978397Yeah Ben would be best, but that would be like proving the Clone Saga's fruits of the 90's was still better than OMD.It was, but I don't think they will give us that.
>>155978186Peter and MJ moving on from each other is stupid, a huge waste and reeks of divorce. These clowns are never creating something new that can replace it for either character and have already established MJ is endgame.
>>155978422They will 'move on' with wistful looks for a reconciliation at some indeterminate date down the line. IE when the last of BND is dragged kicking and screaming away, yelling about muh lost youth demographic as DC eats them.
>>155978383At this point, Marvel will make Norman the best man.
>>155978435Fuck that would be some dark humour.Another knotch for Mayday's grievances when she returns to make Red Hood look like a bitch.
>>155976215Id rather make a phone call to john constantine, because it is canon that mephisto dreads and fears him down to a primordial level.
>>155978051They are doing with superboy prime one shot because witchfire is the og mary jane watson.WHICH IS MORE FUNNY BECAUSE PRIME US ANTI OMD+BND
>>155978422Im wondering how much of their plans are in flux after 1000 got beaten by AB and batman day or whatever lol.
>>155978562I really doubt they care about epeen points of being the number 1 on the *very* flawed metrics that we see online, they know their sales numbers and what they want to hit, "beating batman" in an arbitrary list isn't important.
>>155978510>fuck it, we'll do it ourselves
>>155978369Remember that Spider-Man countdown that started at 4 only to be a reveal for JJ Abrhams's nepo baby comic?
>>155978576> “beating batman" in an arbitrary list isn't important.I really wish people understood this,right now whackers main job is to make sure the ship doesn’t sink and he doesn’t get shit canned by disney execs first week on the job
Even if they are actually going for it, people have had their expectations subverted too many times to give a shit about this. Ironically, them actually undoing OMD and having Peter and MJ married again with no caveats whatsoever would be subverting expectations.
>>155977289This guy was absolutely headed for a Heel turn but they changed their minds.
>>155978735What makes you say that?
>>155978619Bullshit. This was the one of the most historic issues of ASM and it received mixed reviews then it was the third best selling book after a goddamn delay, the printer excuse is Bullshit. They absolutely started changing things around last minute. Why the hell wasn't MJ in 1000 as oppose to 1001? peter running off after the hug was a would have been a better ending point for 1000. Because it was added later in the process. Whacker might get a pass because he is so new to the position. But its time to start firing people like Lowe and ending Kelly's run.
this is a nothing burger and was leaked to sell the book. Current Marvel is not not going to go full scorched earth on Quesada's legacy. If you actually want change figure out how to convince Josh Demaro or dana Walden to step in.
>>155977472>rivals a good adaptation Spoken like a proper dumbass hood weeb
>>155977538Rivals lore is pretty retarded and only hype obsessed blacks and nornies eat this shit up Makes sense since Disney made this game to prepare the public for avengers doomsday and the mcu x-men crap
>>155979570>nornies eat this shit up>ESLtard
>>155978576Beating Batman isn't necessarily the goal, but it's obvious, based on statements from Lowe, that they did not meet internal sales expectations. An issue of their flagship character targeting casuals, collectors, and speculators. There has to be some level of concern about that.
>>155971572are they gonna do ANOTHER ultimate universe only it's Tony doing shit
>>155978576If they didn't care about Beating Absolute Batman why make the Midnight Line?
The only way to properly undo OMD is by erasing the las 20 years of Spider-Man comics which would be to basically erase 20 years of Marvel comics as well so I really doubt they're doing that.We're probably getting this >>155980068
>>155977472>>155977511Nta, but the Cyke one was better even if it had some of the same problems.I would still take it over whatever fucking Invincible garbage Marvel would settle for.>>155980224Disassembled being retconned...that would be glorious if done correctly...
would it really be so terrible for comics(Marvel) to give a two year general road map. Just tell me if she is getting back with Peter or if she is going to be fucking Flash so I can stop giving a shit.
>>155981009>>155981009They did give you a roadmap
>>155978579They have unironically the most supportive and chill friendship too. Shit's crazy
>>155978579SEX with Mora Witchfire NOW
>>155981054lol. This is nothing.
>>155976215>becomes Miracleman >makes nerds seethe about muh precious Alan Moore lore>KILLS Mephisto>brings an end to OMD>KEKS Daredevil and Spider-Woman by fucking Carol sillyColton...I kneel.
>>155981132WE ARE CHARLIE KIRK!!!!!! WE CARRY THE FLAME
>>155981132Wot?
>>155976215Big Colt will save us all
Bin bong. Bing Bing bong.
>>155969988Funniest option is to have her somehow be as powerful as Franklin Richards
>>155980299>Disassembled being retconnedThat was before OMD so it would survive.Still, I won't be happy until all BNDfags either apologize (lol) or are sacked.
>>155983127Was that a last minute fuck you curve ball from spencer? Or the guy who was ghost writing? Why do we treat these books as ifcthey were coherently planned with any sense of continuity. The American super hero comic genre has been proven to be an inferior form of storytelling.
>>155969988Because she's a character actual comic readers like and they'd rather ram Spider-Gwen down everyone's throats.
>>155968487Outside of Spider Island, Superior, and Spider-Verse, what stories would ANYONE want trades of Post-OMD?
>>155983439I stopped buying comics after OMD. I was 7
>>155970244The obvious answer is that MC2 Spider-Girl's going to pop in, kick Mephisto's ass in a way where he can't "directly" attack Earth (aka, he just goes back to being a scheming devil instead of a real serious THREAT), and leave after dropping a plot thread about 616-Mayday.
>>155977711How many times has Marvel done the "WHOA! LOOK AT THESE UPCOMING STORYLINES!" and not done anything with them? I remember Civil War 2 having 8 pages dedicated to this shit and the only thing that happened was Secret Empire.
>>155983254Yeah I know but you can retcon it so that Mephisto and Cthon were working together and they powered eachother up to cause Wanda to go berserk. I dunno.
>>155983091Yo...!? Akira is your trannyslator not working?
>>155983609I hate this gimmick so much. I can't remember when it became a thing, but I blame Geoff Johns and Dan Jurgen for doing it with Rip Hunter's board in 52/Booster Gold.
>>155968057I swear... If this is a trick, someone in Marvel will die!!!
>>155984335>someone in Marvel will die!!!Be the one to make it so then, anon.
>>155984262The difference being that most of these got solved during 52 and One Year Later. All the other stuff could be handwaved away as "Rip Hunter remembers Pre-Crisis stuff".
Chirs Clairmont stated the Spider Marriage was a narrative misstep. What stories have need told post OMD to justify this mindset?
>>155984475Did he ever explain what he meant by that? Because if it's simply "Peter is suppose to be a self-insert for teenagers", that's big talk from the guy who aged up the X-Men and had them have a baby.
>>155971366>no kill ruleWhen did Spidey get a no-kill rule?
>>155984758i mean, he became a hero via tragedy, just like batman. so a lot of people assumes he also has the same 'i dont want to become a murderer' trauma he has.
>>155984641>Peter is suppose to be a self-insert for teenagersOn one hand, if you had just picked up Spider-Man with no prior knowledge then yeah at that age or even earlier you'd want Spider-Man to be a harem protagonist. On the other hand, you'd also get pissed at him losing his girl for such a retarded reason.
>>155984758When they wanted there to be a rift between Him and MJ
>>155984934I was eight when OMD happened.Nothing killed my desire to read ASM more.
>>155984758Always? He's not really as good at it as other heroes but a no kill rule was pretty much super hero de rigueur
>>155968057>>155968057I would use the spider totem and creat actual spider gods, some bullshit hijinks that basically the creation of a spider man the universe balanced itself with a spider totem and their gods. Then have an avatar aid peter undoing omd with thd cost of being a spider totem and just back to a radioactive spider mutate. Make miles the spider totem. Peter back to the enigma of science.
>>155985399The last Spider-Verse event made Silk the main spider totem of 616, Miles will never be the real Spider-Man.
>>155987079Ok, now just get rid of silk.
>>155968057>While the 40th "Anniversary" is June 2027. Why'd you write Anniversary in quotations?
>>155988678Don't think you can count years sold to a Faustian Pact and where someone else is banging your notSpouse.
