Which are you, /co/?
>>155985069Builds character
>>155985089True. That's why the only good characters are the ones who suffer.
>>155985069Spread the hurt vs end the hurt
>>155985101Nope, fag
>>155985069I'm Peruvian.
>>155985069Depends who “they” is.
>>155985069The "they" Megatron is referring to is the people who hurt him, while the "they" Optimus Prime is referring to are innocent people
>>155985069This divide is especially clear with male genital mutilation
>>155985069>>theywe know what we must do
>>155985069i suffered so i dont give a shit
>>155985175Any actual arguments or are you going to throw a tantrum like the pissbaby you are?
Megatron aims to continue the cycle of oppression and Optimus aims on ending it.
>>155985296But enough about yourself
>>155985219This, Optimus Prime is for total decepticon death
>>155985186Eres clave
>>155985089
>>155985348>Prime is for total decepticon deathOnly the Decepticon ideology.
>>155985384Diamond are brittle
>>155985296NTA but working outside doing physical labour and sleeping 4 - 6 hours a night for 8 years reduced my character if anything. pretty much made me retarded.
>>155985069Mentally, I'm with Megatron, but I'm so fucking done with everything that I'd rather just curl up and die.
>I suffered, so they should suffer even more
Optimus but people are too retarded to be helped so Megatron in practice
>>155985512>>155985507>>155985499And thus the cycle continues.
Optimus: >the system is causing suffering. We must continue to suffer under it until I can enact change from within and install my perfect utopiaMegatron:>the system is causing suffering. We must suffer violent upheaval until the board is cleared and I install my perfect utopia
>>155985751
>>155985751No
>>155985348Ah, so bayformers Optimus?
>>155985555What if you stop showing mercy and forgiveness to the people who keep starting the cycle, thus making it stop?
the movie was retarded and deserved to flop, Im glad bayformers is back and rise of beasts flopped
>SUFFER BECAUSE I SUFFEREDis a boomer mentality and awful. Life should get better. End the cycle.
>>155985951You end the cycle through court. Megatron has enough war crimes in most continuities to get the chair.
>>155985069Nobody talks about the fact that Optimus in the movie is validated by God Primus and that itself is the rebuttal against anything Megatron could have ever done.Even if Megatron didn’t go full retard with total anarchy, he would have still been parried by Prime.
>>155986021Seethe, contrarian
>>155986126why should I seethe I only care about the toys and bayformers is getting more toys of those designs and not this movie, are you still seething this movie flopped and rushed the plot instead of adapting the war within story and making the quintessons the only enemy and not thissecret russia backed sentinel prime trump expy? go ahead keep making threads about this dumb movie while bayformer chads keep getting more movies and more toys. I am so glad western animation is dead
>>155986089>You end the cycle through courtHE CONTROLS THE COURTSHE IS TOO DANGEROUS TO BE LEFT ALIVE
>>155986107Yeah, that's the point. Megatron tossed the cog of Onyx prime (which I believe he had the power of wisdom) for megatronus cog (which gave the user more power)
>>155986274>>155986107t cog has to be the gayest thing idw introduced which was full of lgbt tranny shit
>>155985933I fucking hate how nobody seems to realize the actual situation thats happening in the bayformers movies. Earth literally takes in foreign terrorists devoted to killing their homelands government by deposing and forcing their highest leaders into exile. Those terrorists followed one of those leaders in an attempt to kill him and take the equivalent of the nuclear codes! Their government wants justice for those crimes and comes to Earth looking for the jailers where they are attacked by the radicalized locals who have sided with the terrorists.
>>155986360And thats all before the race traitors start hunting immigrants trying to work and make a living on earth! They fucking roll up on that one dude working his construction job at the beginning of the second movie and straight murder him without any kind of proof of endangerment.
>>155985951>showing mercyJustice in my opinion is a mercy.
>>155986342Nigga, the t cogs are from g1.
>>155986360Sure
>>155985069>"suffered">*looks in bag*>inconvenienced
>>155985242It's the normal plural pronoun you brain rotted asshat.
>>155985069>building orientation reflects Man As Rising Beast vs Man As Fallen AngelKino
>>155986438I agree, for example if you catch someone starting a forest fire on purpose and you execute them on the spot and don't tell anyone, that's mercy for all the people who won't get hurt by the forest fire, as well as mercy for all the taxpayers who don't have to pay to feed and house the arsonist
>>155985069It’s an idea I’ve struggled with irl. I want to do right by the people (including myself) who have been hurt by someone or a system that is unjust, but I don’t want to be blinded by my own feelings of anger however justified they might beSo I try and focus on being there for the people I care about when they’ve been hurt or are hurting and only occasionally crash out with rage over shit
>>155985069I suffered. I don't want others to suffer. But some people exist to make others suffer. You, me, everyone. These people should suffer and die.
Ugh. It hurts to say but I'm more of a Megatron guy.
>>155987678Damn
>>155987678No I get that. Megatron is the embodiment of the righteous anger towards injustice (in some continuities) so seeing him really fight back is catharticThe problem is that the Decepticon cause is really only built on that rage and need for violence to thrive. It wouldn’t stop at just the head guys, they need an enemy to destroy. It’s inherently selfish in a way: My pain and suffering entitles me to destroy whoever or whatever hurt meEspecially in TF:One where Megatron is pretty much constantly talking about how Sentinel Prime betrayed HIM, hurt HIM, how HE found out the awful truth and it has to be HIM to destroy him. God I love Transformers
Remember that time the old bad guy was beaten on his knees begging for his life and Optimus stuck his shotgun axe in his mouth and blew his head off that was pretty sweet
>>155985069Optimus, but the older I get the more my inner monologue goes the Megatron route.
i suffered and i will keep suffering forever. i ball.
>>155985219Someone like Megatron loses track of who actually hurt him, then sooner or later stops caring
Megatron makes sense when you're still young and don't know how mens rea or something like "mistake of fact" works. Everyone should mature into Optimus' line of thought lest they start developing antisocial behaviours.
>>155986059Nah, boomers lived during the greatest period of abundance and opportunity for the average person in the western world. A boomer had to be very retarded to fail. Their mindset is really more:>I didn't suffer, but you should
>>155987873Megatron's motto is>"Peace through tyranny"Kids like the Decepticons because they're cool looking.
>>155986213If Mace had ended Palpatine there and then, like straight up dead, none of the "he returned" bullshit the sequels pulled, what would have happened?
>>155988600It would've made him a martyr and make the fall of the Republic that much worse. It was already controversial enough that the Jedi were arresting him.
>>155985069Real talk, TF One is the definitive backstory as far as I'm concerned. This movie deserved so much better.
>>155988966>It would've made him a martyr and make the fall of the Republic that much worseHow would the republic have fallen though? Literally all of the macro level events happening were all being caused by darth sidious. The trade federation was in the middle of surrendering. Palpatine just barely by the skin of his ass managed to stay ahead of how fast his plans were unraveling, Anakin was the hail mary he needed to make them happen.
>>155985101>>155985296Korra
>>155988124To be fair they do look really cool
>>155989374Post-transition the Empire just trudged along. They really had nothing to rally behind other than "security" for the Empire which is why the rebels problem just kept getting larger and larger.
>>155989471And even then, Vader was the main linchpin holding it all together. Virtually none of was Palpatine did was possible without him. He wouldn't even have been able to control his admirals.
>>155987873>>155985751I remember seeing a video about Dr. Stone on one of its antagonist and it said that those types of antagonist that want to remake a more ideal world always remake said world where they're ontop so they won't ever have to suffer what they did again.They don't fully care about creating better a world they just want to end the thing that made them suffer permanently And obviously for Megatron it would be tyranny, so he would've made anarchy. That's why Optimus was in the right, only one problem would've been solved, potential at the cost of creating dozens more
>>155985069I haven't suffered. And, seeing people who do, I am of the opinion that it'd be nice if no one did.>>155985089Often feels like the opposite. True suffering, not the baby kind people mean when they wax philosophical about how the world needs bad things, tends to make people weaker, not stronger. Fractures them to their foundations. Makes them incapable, unwilling, unable to make hard choices because they no longer believe there's hard choices to be made. Just inevitable evils to be endured or spit at, jumping into them and triggering more suffering in pure spite.
>>155989606>>155985069Megs was perfectly in the right until the retard writers realized "fuck, we made em too sympathetic and Sentinel was an active combatant... uhhhh, fuck, just have him start shooting the buildings." If he instead told Aelita that the fight would only be over "when all his Gold-plated thugs" were destroyed, instead of the entire city, for no raisin, he'd look far more rational. That would've actually been a good sequel hook. Cyberyronians who saw the fight live, think the destruction was worth killing Sentinel's legion and Optimus is insane for throwing away so many veteran soldiers, when the Quintessons are still RIGHT THERE. It's a perfect civil war hook that could easily span a trilogy.
>>155989826Too bad the retards who made this movie didn't market it worth a damn. I didn't even know it existed until a year after it came out. Best fucking transformers movie since the old G1 movie.
>>155985751Optimus>GorillaMegatron>T-Rex
>>155985069>I suffered?
>>155989826>those Gold-plated thugsGoddamn, that would've been sweet. Seeing D-16 turn into Megatron, hear the roar of the crowd with him now the biggest and strongest ruler Cybertron's ever seen, and immediately call down a purge on everyone who wasn't a manual laborer would've been so clean.No revolution, just endless war. D-16 hates the order he grew up in, so Megatron decides it's a fiction and gets rid of it. His order will be based in the only thing that's true to him now: no ideal or loyalty, just brute force, forever.
>>155986360These threads are always gonna be filled with people who didn't watch those movies, but watched the Red Letter Media episode about it, so you get people like >>155985933 and >>155987808 who are basically on the same level as people who just read TFwiki articles
Weren't they in a (secret) fragile ceasefire with ultrarape evil aliens that almost destroyed them? Said aliens that agreed to not fuck them to death in exchange for tribute? An agreement made by a guy Megatron ripped in half?Aren't they just going to get curbstomped into paste?
>>155990497Bumblebee in TFOne
>>155987808I very distinctively remember said old guy being an immense backstabbing retarded faggot who acted like an immense retarded faggot til the very end, at which point Optimus just said "ok then go fuck yourself" and painted the sidewalk with his brains
>>155989826Not all Cybertronians would think the destruction + collateral damage would be worth it, obviously, should've specified that. That would be a good origin for early Autobot recruits in the sequel, Iaconians who knew bots killed in the crossfire and chaos. Give them a good reason to hate Megatron and the Decepticons from the get go.
>>155989826The forced megatron origin kneecapped the story big time, this kind of batman logic is falling out of favor
Damn this movie is good.I'm not even that much of a Transformers man.
TfOne is the most mediocre shit and people only remember it for the final scene lmao
>>155985069I know myself enough to say that Megatron could easily tempt me into adopting that ideology, but Optimus inspires me to want to try and live up to his
>>155994070Yeah I really don't have a reason to disrespect either, it would easily come down to whoever shows up first.
>>155985069>Which are you, /co/?"Ha! Look at those faggots suffering!"
>>155985069Normally I hate people going full stupid villain but Megatron was 100% in the right to want to waste that fucked and Optimus was a huge prick to save himThat Primus turned him into robo-Jesus for it was a cop out
>>155994703From a purely practical perspective, starting reform with a public execution is unlikely to end well. Like you're only thinking about immediate gratification. You're not thinking about how this shit would affect everything else going forward. Those who disagree with it would find your actions abhorrent. Those who agree with it are likely to be galvanized into extremism themselves.Like I'm not even saying revenge is bad. But if revenge is your main motivation, maybe don't go into politics. Mixing the two rarely ends well.
I don't want anyone to suffer, man. I've suffered plenty in my life, I take some pride in having survived it but I don't think anything good came from it. And I'm not spiteful towards people who have it better than me. I want people to have it better than I did.>>155985089Not really. Challenge builds character. Obviously some adversity is needed to grow up but suffering, if anything, just holds you back.
>>155989797I agree that true suffering does more harm than enables growth but a huge part of growth is to accept/endure suffering, nobody has ever achieved greatness without a noticeable amount of adversity they suffered fromFor example, humans suffer when they exercise because there are microscopic tears in their flesh, to simply mold our bodies to our beauty ideals we must tear ourselves apart on a molecular level, hell it's even like this without exercise; just by simply moving a muscle we are tearing our body apart on a microscopic level and it can be felt or will be felt eventually if you keep using that muscle, by doing thinking stuff (like writing) or dexterity stuff like drawing our neurons generate more energy to regulate memory patterns that we practice in drawing and thinking about stories to writeA world without conflict has no friction and without friction the world cannot be in motion and without that commotion there is no notions in the story called life that make it entertainingUltimately, only those who can overcome or are destined to have meaning in life.
>>155987985F'd up mindset regardless
>>155990775heheh, funny squirrel
>>155985069BothPeople I dont like: Im MegatronPeople I like: Im Optimus Prime
>>155985069Megatron, my hero!
>>155985101Then let's make more people good!
>>155985069Bit of both. Depends on the mood.
>>155998192Please elaborate
>>155999361No.
>wants to continue a pointless vicious cycle foreverWhy?
>>155999443why not?
>>156000063Because it's fucking pointless. It's just continuing the trauma of some assholes who died a million years ago.
