https://bsky.app/profile/hanamichels.bsky.social/post/3mykzza2kic2o
Assuming it's true, which I don't, what's the trajectory there? Fire all the creators and then when the AI cartoons all inevitably bomb, what, hire them back? Stop making cartoons altogether? Stubbornly keep pumping them out for no profit? Execs like to talk rot about what AI will do in the "near future", but I would have thought the market analysts would put the kibosh on actually jumping in with both feet when the technology hasn't actually materialised. It's not like you can use cartoons as an investment scam.
>>156062602It's probably true because studios only see the bottom line, but it's not going to go well. AI needs to be implemented gradually into work to assure quality in each step.
>>156062751>AI needs to be implemented gradually into work to assure quality in each step.What the fuck does it even mean for a cartoon to "be AI" anyway? That's just a buzzword, what actual tools?
What a time for Netflix start these plans, when the AI bubble just recently burst in China.
>>156062750>Fire all the creators and then when the AI cartoons all inevitably bomb, what, hire them back?That's the less likely option. The more likely option is the business goes under, they sell it, get big pay outs, then use that to gamble, finance, buy stocks. Stock by backs. Grifts. Ect.
>>156062798Probably an in between frames program to replace some korean animators. A completely hypothetical thing that would most likely be legally challenged.
>>156062750>Fire all the creatorsThis is what they already did 4 years ago>Stop making cartoons altogether?Yep>Stubbornly keep pumping them out for no profit? Only reboots
>>156062750>when the AI cartoons all inevitably bombWhat if they don't?
Guess it's exclusively watching shows made pre-2023 forever
>>156063022What if Taylor Swift gives me a rimjob?
there's literally no way to know if current cartoons use generative AI scripts
>>156063079You're gonna make bank on that sex tape.
>>156063086what current cartoons?
>>156062602Hillbillies, AI shit, the world is slowly going to hell.
>>156062602Then I dont need a subscription
>>156063149This
>>156062750They wont bombThe ludites who botcott anything AI are a fraction of the general population and regular people will watch it if its good regardless of AI or not
>>156063364Ladies wint be boycotting the shows. Theyll just be bad and no one will watch them.Not because theyre ai but because they aren't fixing the problemThey vacated the industry of creative people and now only hire people who can't create. The ai replaces the studio, sure we should use tools, but it doesn't replace the original idea haver. Someone still has to have the idea, and the people they insist on hiring aren't capable of creating, and the people who are are barred from hiring because the other people find them annoying.
>>156062750Using the latest big buzzwords gets them investment for the next quarter, which raises their stocks and beefs up their portfolios. If and when things collapse, they burn said stock, get a fat payout, and then move on to find something else to suck dry
>>156063419>then move on to find something else to suck dryI'm waiting. It's gotta happen eventually right? Hollywood is a heap of burning trash RIGHT NOW and they're still blowing mountains of cash.I don't beleive it. I want to but I dont. They are holding the bag not for profit but for ideological reasons. The moment they stop, or evem just slow down, they'll get overrun by the small creators waiting in the wings for the market to open up.
>>156063394>ai can't create good ideasjust admit you're a seething luddite tranny. Grok alone gave me great sof great ideas for my indie cartoon. Luddites are fucked.
While I personally won't watch this shit, the primary audience (kids and normalfags) absolutely will.Kids are already inundated in AIslop and normalfags just use Netflix as background noise while they play around on their phone, so they don't really give a fuck what's playing on it.Not my problem though.
>>156063502this is going to replace all the woke industry SJWtoons
>>156063502>great ideas for my indie cartoon.As in using a computer program to make soulless trash, Hillbilly?
>>156063538Hopefully no one will watch this soulless garbage.
>>156063538so long as its free of subersive messaging it is 10000 times better than the woke crap they play on tvs nowadays.
>>156063538It would be ironic if the AI world became right biased like Hollywood is left biased.
>>156063538It's so over lol.
>>156063593It won't be.
>>156063538Then why produce anything? Just stream Sesame Street starting from the pilot and let it play until it's run out of episodes or the kid is out of diapers, whatever comes first.
>>156062750>Fire all the creators and then when the AI cartoons all inevitably bomb, what, hire them back?i don't think you realize how many people have done this already
>>156063655Meant for >>156063536>>156063538Fake shows. Cartoon Network will probably be dissolved in a few years as Paramount&Warner is sucked dry.
>>156063577Indians unfortunately will (and possibly gooners)
>>156063603It already is and has been for a while, left wingers just pick up the damn pencil. Right wingers consider the arts to be beneath them.
>>156063364>The ludites who botcott anything AI are a fraction of the general population and regular people will watch it if its good regardless of AI or notWe have been actually getting AI movies for almost 2 years now but the vast majority of them bomb. Turns out even AI boosters won't watch AI movies cause they like AI for allowing them to make what they want but aren't going to fork over money for something just because it's AI generated.
>>156063502Trannies are who run Netflix and they aren't firing themselves
>>156063364>regular people will watch it if its goodYeah, like I said, they'll bomb.
>>156063991This.Creative people will and are using ai to make good shows. Red rainbow for instance. There's a new show called pomegranate too. Both are original. The malfoid series is on the verge of recreating the entire Harry Potter series as a teen romance starring white people.
This is what "artists" call "art". AI will replace these fucking woke retards just like cars replaced horses.
>>156062602>go to profile>every other tweet mentions having a disability and shoe horns it into almost every topic they talk aboutyeah I'm sure this person is a very reliable source and doesn't seek getting attention online every waking hour
>>156063593lollmaoROFLMAO
>>156064376>bskyDidn't even need to click it to know it was worthless
>>156064272>AI is just as good if not better>BTW I really fucking hate artWhy are so many of them like this
>>156064478He's just confusing terminology. The banana isn't art. The people employed by the industry aren't artists. They are lapping and normies are eating it up(literally in the case of the banana) and investing into their nonsense because they equate "not understanding" with quality.
Recently all I watch is AI malfoid shorts so AI can definitely be good.Netflix will still probably make woke crap though.
>>156063485The ultimate goal is the death of creativity.
>>156063756Hopefully it stays that way then.
>>156064737Then ai will backfire.Ai gives the power of a studio in normal hands. Invideo's highest tier is 100 bucks a month. Someone buckling down and working on it nonstop could do a whole movie in a couple months.
>>156063756Not true. Leftists infiltrated the arts because they care about appearing like an artist. Rightist care about practical things. Art is practical, and it was the marxists and trannies who tricked everyone into thinking it's some wishy-washy bullshit.They did that while also forcing messaging into everything they did. It's how you know who is lying.
>>156063538
>>156062602I keep seeing people talking about investing in AI but no way in which it actually makes a profit. How the fuck does it make money? Is it just an investment bubble?
>>156064773>Rightist care about practical things. Art is practical, and it was the marxists and trannies who tricked everyone into thinking it's some wishy-washy bullshit.It's very easy to tell that you don't actually have anything resembling a coherent worldview and that you just spout things out of your ass based on how you feel at the moment.
>>156064761Yes, go ahead and drown the world in meaningless garbage.
>>156063364If you know anything about how workers were treated in the Industrial Revolution, you would know that the Luddites were right about a lot.
>>156064830they're desperate enough to start astroturfing it into a culture war thing so i assume it's not making any money
>>156064830Na. It'll pop but it won't go away. Unless you invested from the beginning your going to either be broke or holding the bag for awhile. It's the future for sure, but it's got a long ways to go before it's accepted.
>>156063538>canadian cartoon generator
>>156064525>The banana isn't art.Really? Must be a video game then.
>>156064599But that can never make money. J.K. Rowling won't allow it. It's blatant copyright infringement.>>156064952Nobody should trust anything that comes out of Musk's mouth. Where's full self-driving in the Teslas, Elon? A decade ago you said two years.
I'd just love an explanation of how first world societies are going to keep working when white collar work is obsoleted.Either we pretend ai can't do most jobs and somehow avoid tragedy of the commons so the entire world does the same, or we fall into mass unemployment and actual, non /pol/schizo, societal collapse and death? Future looks grim and it's coming straight at me.>actually mass death is good>heh not me im actually rich / ai will make me richat least I get the satisfaction of knowing you're coming with me
>>156062948>in between frames program to replace some korean animators.Wouldn't the korean studio be the one implementing this and not the "storyboard" writers?
>>156065160It turns out the uber-rich are just as stupid as the average person and believe that food is just something we magically pull out of the ether and all the produce they need grows in the grocery store that they send their peasant laborers to.
>>156063538>Robot & KidNow hear me out...
>>156064830>How the fuck does it make money?They don't have to, they just borrow money against their projected future value. Anthropic, for example, reports an $80 billion paper loss this year but are pitching a TAM of $30 trillion to investors. Obviously this will work swimmingly forever and nothing will go wrong
>>156065177Writers use LLM for script. Storyboarders prompt images. Animators generate extrapolated frames. AI voices and music.
>>156062602I mean, okay? Netflix content is already such slop I don't see a meaningful difference. If they want to cut cost for more fucking Disenchanted-level garbage, good for them.
>>156065203I'm listening.
>>156063797>Running time 86 minutes>a mother-and-son team from Dalian, Liaoning. They were the sole crew members and voice actors of the animation.>Production on the film took over five years>cost: $200>made: $9m>Chinese cinemas initially declined due to quality concerns, then put it on because of a family connection, and most importantly there was Nothing Else for people to seeSo, someone working for free, in a market of nothing, and a demand for everything, can make a lot of money, however if you spend $$$, you can fail, presumably due to a lack of connections because I cannot even find Sanxingdui Future Past on google.If anything I'm not sure why China doesn't appear to have its own domestic Hollywood churning out shit. I thought they'd have at least three MCUs going on at any one time. Why can't China, a technological superpower with vast ghost cities, keep up with America?
>>156065260And then they cut the numbers of people in each role as the AI makes less and less mistakes, then they realise they don't need any animators/storyboarders/etc because they tested fully AI produced versions and audiences didn't mind so this saves money, then the writers go, etc, etc. What you've written isn't where it could end up.
>>156062750>bombsubhumans watch the kind of emotionslop discount soap opera sludge that Netflix produces.they will not bomb, they'll do just fine.
>>156065314Probably because you can't just wave a magic wand and turn somewhere into hollywood? China was a shithole until recent memory, these things take time. Also they probably do alright with their enormous domestic audience and non-english language, same as India.Of all the things to cherrypick about china "not making enough marvel movies" is pretty funny. They seem to be more than "keeping up" with America in making basically anything other than marvel movies.
>>156065314>If anything I'm not sure why China doesn't appear to have its own domestic Hollywood churning out shit.They do, it's just that no one cares outside of China.It's why you randomly see a bunch of Chinese movies you've never heard of that top the "highest grossing" worldwide charts every year while they make 99% of their money in China.
>>156065160AI can't actually do most jobs, and industry predictions about what it will be able to do in the future are mostly lies. But to the extent AI can/will replace jobs, it means those jobs are essentially makework. If white collar work were made obsolete, to the extent we can maintain the same productivity while employing a much smaller proportion of the population, that sounds like a job for UBI.
>>156065260>>156065316You're missing a key ingredient: vision. You need to know what you want to make. You gotta storyboard scenes with consistency and direction. You have to write what needs to be said. You need the voices to bring the characters to life. Everyone brings their talent to the table to produce the best they can. AI just does what has already been done. It's good at pattern recognition, but if you it done right, you gotta do it yourself.
>>156065422>AI just does what has already been done. It's good at pattern recognitionTo be fair, it sounds well suited to average Netflix audiences.
>>156065368Hollywood is dying. The Marvel movies peaked. Everything is downhill from 2019. Actually, arguably 2004.>>156065403How will white collar workers feel when they no longer have a cushy office job and now have to sort literal trash to be a productive member of society?
>>156064387Hoooooly kek
>>156064737But enough about all media for the past decade
>>156065452Netflix is a lot like Paramount/Viacom. The only content they produce beyond two seasons are the shows that are cultural behemoths. Viacom has South Park, SpongeBob SquarePants, Paw Patrol, but not much else. Netflix relied a lot on Stranger Things, Black Mirror, and nepobaby-subsidized Big Mouth.
>>156065109>elon outta NOWHERE
>>156065521The longer Netflix goes on, the more I lose faith in their ability to make cultural cornerstones, and the more I also get the impression they're transitioning to a sloppa model. Way I see it, AI is just cutting out the middleman to get there.They might still have the occasional hit by outsourcing to cheaper foreign things in hopes of another Squid Game, but I'm never expecting another Dark Crystal from them
>>156062602This is some literal who that doesn't even have any of the shows she's worked on in her bio because that's her "personal account". I don't want the rumors to be anything more than rumors because I hate AI, but fucking hell if you're gonna be a whistleblower get your goddamn receipts together.
>>156062750The creators can also use AI.I understand it will be a struggle to understand this with all the gay people you talk to.This comic is an adaptation of one of my stories.>>156063538Funny this is an improvement on cartoons for the young kid audience, if anything.Not “the genderambiguous blob who says rawr,” things kids would actually like.>>156063559>schizoing out about random people getting opportunities to make cartoons and using hillbilly as a slurLmao
Honestly, I think this might be legit given the recent Netflix layoffs apparently heavily impacted their animation department.I think Netflix has kind of run out of steam at this point, a lot of their operating capital came from investments, and investors aren't as wild about them as they once were. I think the future of "animation" at Netflix will be AIslop from the west, licensed anime, and maybe they'll continue to try and poach the big "indie" shows for easy streaming views to pad their numbers.It'd explain why they apparently tried to make a deal with Space King and DID make deals with TADC and Monkey Wrench.
>>156065368>Also they probably do alright with their enormous domestic audience and non-english language, same as India.That's what I meant. That no-name nothing movie apparently did well, if we can believe any part of the story that came out of China, by simply having NOTHING ELSE on to watch in the cinema.
>>156065546The richest man with a huge investment in the AI bubble spouting bullshit investors eat up? Really? You don't think he would be the ringleader of a pro-ai astroturfed campaign?
>>156065587Damn this comic is awful.AI really can't write or draw.
>>156065643please just ignore him, "local" schizo
>>156065596Yeah, pretty much. It's like I said: Whatever the fuck is wrong with that company, they just plain do not know how to make hits anymore so they're manufacturing sloppa because it's profitable.>Monkey WrenchI don't know why shit gets shilled here so much other than, as far as I can tell, some fuckers have a parasocial relationship or something with the creator. But it's kind of funny to me that even getting put on Netflix can't get it any kind of traction.Perfect example about why Netflix's current catalogue is so bad I legitimately don't see anything of value being lost from the implementation of AI. It's all shit anyway.
>>156065109>Where's full self-driving in the Teslas, Elon?https://youtu.be/pW3rbnGsTeI
>>156062750They 100% think they can just force people to like it, but also yeah if they even acknowlede it they wholly believe they can just throw people away then hire them back with no issue. Glitch and all animators should boycott Netflix from this moment forward.
>>156065656monkey wrench getting shilled here (unless it's 4d chess) is an ironic in-joke about the show being unfairly ignored due to its creators funny meltdowns, maybe now becoming more sincere attachment/ well wishes over time.
>>156063086Oh ho ho, I don't know about that.
>>156065466White collar work represents over half of jobs and the better paid half. In this far-fetched hypothetical where it's all automated away, that's a shit ton of wealth decoupled from the rat race. If people don't need to work to survive they will work fewer hours, so the remaining work is more distributed, and will have more freedom to pursue less remunerative endeavours (work does not have to pay to be satisfying or productive). I know the assumption is that any and all excess wealth will be siphoned off by the rich, but you're talking about a fantasy scenario in which there's greater than 50% unemployment for the foreseeable forever, that's not a survivable situation for the elite. You'd see a radical restructuring of the economy, or guillotines, or both.
>>156065661The shapes and colors of his cars being profitable, whilst all other competitors look reasonable, makes the world feel gayer, like those other companies choose to do it, not because it's capitalism at work
>>156063364> will watch it if its good Dang, they don't stand a chance.
>>156065726kek>>156065722Good post, thanks. There'll still be a painful interregnum while things restructure.>radical restructuring of the economyalways fun.
>>156064761> Invideo's highest tier is 100 bucks a monthGood thing the economy isn't designed around raising prices forever for no reason other than "because I can" or that might eventually throw quite the monkey wrench in things.
>>156064773Based>>156064842Seethe
>>156065160White collar work is a meme but you raise a good point regardless
>>156065778>monkey wrenchThe plebs will always get to play with AI, they've modernised that old saying to be "bread and AI" now. But LMAO at anyone thinking they'll be allowed to keep wealth generated using that AI.Also, anyone wanting to create things are already creating things. People waiting for AI to get good enough are just deluding themselves.
>>156064842Based>>156065794Go to bed
Can we fire all boomer executives in charge? They're obviously out of touch.
>>156065704>IronicThat's how it allegedly started for Carol threads too, you know.
>>156063022If AI was as powerful as they say we'd have seen an AI blockbuster by now
>>156064478They're spiritually indian and untalented
>>156063364We have a thread up with a Malfoid AI generated show that looks and sounds close to flawless and retards here are still disputing this post despite most children's shows being significantly easier to produce than anime.The density of people on this topic is actually starting to make me angry.
>>156065587This looks like nyan cat having sex with Motorcity and the offspring puked all over my monitor.
Netflix can't force other people to use AI and they don't produce all of their own shows.>Source - Random Nigger on BlueSkyDelete this shit thread.
>>156062602I maintain that rich people legit do not comprehend what money actually is. Like, they're so desperate to not have to pay anyone, yet they demand growth at all times. Where exactly do they think the money is coming from if nobody has a job?
>>156065661Elon promised full self-driving to existing Tesla owners years ago by including an extra fee when ordering to allow the car to use it once it launches. It said it would be available within 18 months. That was ten years ago. Consumers want their private cars to drive them around, not use a taxi service.>>156065697YouTube is far and away the most popular streamer. People will accept low-quality content from a free service.>>156065722>I know the assumption is that any and all excess wealth will be siphoned off by the rich, but you're talking about a fantasy scenario in which there's greater than 50% unemployment for the foreseeable forever, that's not a survivable situation for the elite. You'd see a radical restructuring of the economy, or guillotines, or both.That's the direct it's going though. There's plenty of qualified people but employers have become too stingy. They would rather operate on a skeleton crew barely keeping pace with demand over hiring extra help to reduce stress. We should have 28-hour work weeks, but the people who are employed are also just as thinly-spread that if they don't work forty hours they won't be able to pay rent. There's a huge problem when faceless investors drive all decision-making and everybody suffers.
>>156065894The growth thing is so fucking funny. It's a big buzzword in British politics, politicians need to create growth so everyone can be rich. Because that's how it works. Oh yeah and the growth can just carry on forever with no constraints, we just can't figure out how because we're too stupid and not because it's impossible. Just squeeze out enough growth for the next quarter and we've kicked the can further down the road! (full of potholes)
>>156065697The industry couldn't force people to like the past 10 years of horseshit shows, they think AI will be easier?
>>156065832I wish we could invite all billionaires and their families to a gorgeous tropical deserted island, fly them all in, then have all the planes and boats leave them behind. We set up thousands of cameras and Survivor will become the number one show again. If these billionaires are really that valuable as humans, then they can prove it by surviving a year.
>>156065778Prices rising forever is a result of monetary policy with that as its goal, not capitalism per se. A kid being able to run a lemonade stand does not depend on rising prices. Profits can be had with constant prices, deflation, or barter.
>>156066093but how are you going to change the system? Of course an alternative could also work but we're locked into this one and you can't just decide you aren't playing along because you aren't independent of everything. And the people benefiting from it are working very hard to stop you changing it.
>>156065654It’s hilarious that you’re petty and childish enough to whine that I use more than one board.The calibre of human that hates AI.>>156065643You’re a gay person expressing your urges to dominate non-trendy art.Liberal Protestants enabled this kind of behavior for you since at least you’re not (currently) molesting children.>>156065877>le associations with memes and productsWhat a relief that AI permanently disposes of such mentality.I can literally tell it to reference an existing game and it hardly says anything about it.
>>156064272>to this day people post this like it's a gotcha against modern art
>>156065849They tried a full AI movie in china, tech isnt there yet maybe in 5 or 10 years
>>156065899>Consumers want their private cars to drive them aroundAutopilot has been active since 2015. Full Self Driving available since 2024.https://youtu.be/aS3ZEhDsXfQ
>>156066266Is it supposed to be campy?
>>156066354Well, good then. Took fucking years after the original announced release date. But Elon is still full of shit. When 10% of his futuristic promises actually see fruition, it's hard to believe 90% of his claims. At least it's enough to keep the investors investing.
>>156066152>but how are you going to change the system?I don't run the Fed. But changing inflationary policy is as easy as changing the policy. Just have the money printer track with economic growth instead of running ahead of it.
>>156065980>generic retarded communist fantasy Yes you seek to spend your life trying to tear others down than build anything.>>156065894>random leftist knows more about money than people who can become and remain richYour discord puppies must be so impressed.>>156066361It’s not supposed to be anything since I like AI for making art without trying to be anything trendy.>>156066407He just made flying cars lmao.
>>156066266What is even going on in this page? Is the large woman in two places at once in the first panel? And when the purple guy is shooting the blue guy, where the heck is that purple laser coming from? It's just, like, connecting their torsos without any sense whatsoever of which direction it's firing, or even what it's coming out of. Not to mention all the nonsensical minor stuff like the large woman's gloves changing/disappearing every time you see her, or the speech balloon in the second panel apparently being spoken by two different people off-panel. The only thing more embarrassing than this comic page is the idea that someone would actually be proud of it.
>>156062751AI needs to be ceased entirely.
>>156066437> The only thing more embarrassing than this comic page is the idea that someone would actually be proud of it.Lmao. You’re a gay pedophile who lusts for dominating random young males online and robbing them of love of family and community which appreciates individual creative expression regardless.AI insulates young artists from you and that’s why you hate it. It can give actual feedback and you can’t.>>156066442>or I’ll throw a big feelings hurty tantrum!!
>>156066307You think it isn't?
>>156062750Netflix´s cartoons always are a Hit-or-Miss.Sometimes are Family Guy spinoffs (Haunted Hotel) or use the ugliest designs in animation (Carol End of the World and Big Mouth)
>>156066430Hey, we can fantasize about their demise when they actively fuck everyone else over. This K-shaped economy isn't working.Don't post "your" comics if you aren't ready for criticism.That might as well be a Disneyland show. It's been done before, it was staged, and it's not economical. We have helicopters and they suck.>>156066418It would be more efficient if we stopped minting cash altogether and switched to CBDC, but that's a conversation we're too afraid of considering.
>>156066307I think that's the exact statement the piece was intended to make
>>156066479Netflix has had a few great animated shows but they cut production haphazardly. I'm looking at Inside Job in particular. That was supposed to be Gravity Falls for adults. At least Haunted Hotel is a worthy successor, assuming Netflix renews.
>>156066493You don’t do criticism except in the leftist sense. You just seek to gang together with your gay buddies to spew degradation at any artist who stands out.You show no comprehension WHATSOEVER of my projects, stories, characters, style, etc, despite all I’ve posted for them.
>>156066442Go to your room, Billy.
calls himself "nigger" and it's accurate.
>>156062750more ads, then more ads when people leave, then increase the price, then more ads, then sell it to Tubi for pennies
>>156066542We live in a crazy damn world where saying “you pretend to criticize my art but know nothing about any of it” gets you called a nigger, by people who’d never call you that for breaking into a store.
>>156062750You're making the usual mistake in assuming that big business operates logically.Investors worship AI, because they are a mix of sociopathic scammers and sheltered idiots. The more AI you use and talk about, the higher your stock value goes. It is literally that simple.As a side bonus, Netflix gets to have their cake and eat it too: they don't want to pay for animation, because it's expensive compared to the boring live action slop shows they make for women to pretend to watch while they futz around with their phones. But they also don't want to not have it because that gives their competitors a winning edge.
I don't understand. Are the examples posted in this thread supposed to be what "good" AI looks like?
>>156066565I would call anyone who broke into a store a nigger and I will call you a nigger for spamming "your" shitty and boring slop across this website
>>156066522>>156066469>or I’ll throw a big feelings hurty tantrum!!Kek namefag doesn't even know he's the one throwing the tantrum because he can't take a hint. This is an anonymous image board. If you want the unredacted truth about content, this is where to go. If you can't handle the criticism, try rope.>>156066503Why can't it just be about duct taping a fruit to the wall? Why does it have to be some meta-commentary on the absurdism of art?
>>156066469Route 666 sounds kinda cool desuLike a bunch infernal machines racing through hell, having Twisted Metal style races with weapons
>>156062750The fact AI is replacing everything: programmers, mathematician, astronomer, doctors, teachers, writers BUT CANT REPLACE ceos and managers.Working from home during the pandemic taught us one very important lesson that managers cant be replaced by AI, because humans want a job where they speak with other humans.There has been an explosion in AI applications that have come out, the idea being that "jobs for nerds" have finally hit a point where the managers of Big Tech has the AI that will allow AI to take the place of the nerds. I have never once seen those tools replacing managers or CEOs.
>>156066493>It would be more efficientBy what metric?>switched to CBDC>straight up central control of all currency at all times is hekin awesome, yo
>>156066430Her back is broken in the first panel. Twisted all the way.
>>156064842>it's very easy for me to judge you based on one post over the internet. I'm a worldly multicultural left winger who is compassionate and tolerant
>>156066618lolno, managers would be easier to replace with AI than pretty much anyone else. if anything people would probably prefer to work in an office where day to day business is organized by a non-judgmental computer program than by a delusional useless eaterbut these middle manager parasites have much more clout in the average company than the people who do actual work and these people would kill themselves if they didn't have their jobs because the only reason anyone willingly interacts with middle managers is because they will get fired if they don't
>>156064875That's Netflix's plan. Keep up.Actually creative people aren't waiting for "investors" they're already doing it. It's alresdy better than Hollywood. The secular gods you worship are bleeding. Stop sucking hollywood cock
>>156066663you felt called out by his post hahahahahaha
>>156066520>I'm looking at Inside Job in particular. That was supposed to be Gravity Falls for adultsInside Job AND Gravity Falls are parodies of Men in Black. Just make a cartoon of Men in Black, no two shitty clones.
>>156062602Now I'm glad netflix lost the wb bid
>>156066635Don't need to harvest cotton, make ink, run machines, distribute, everything. It cuts production and labor costs to zero, saving taxpayer dollars. CBDC is the next logical step.>>156066618You'd think that shareholders would be demanding all executives and managers be replaced with AI, but we have to remember the majority of shares are held by other executives and higher-ups. It's one giant circle-jerk of the 1%.
>>156063022Anon they already are. Just look at China, AI media has been an abject disaster there. Pretty much every notable AI project there has bombed spectacularly, to the point where 99 percent of AI dramas can't even make back production costs. Hell, their "first AI film" was one of the buggest bombs of the year.If fucking China can't even make it work, I doubt anywhere else has better chances.
>>156066696AI time c'mon grab your friendswe're going to very REDDIT landswith upvote the dog and mod the human thereddit will never end it's reddit time
>>156066599>Why does it have to be some meta-commentary on the absurdism of art?Because it's pointing out how the art institution has gotten silly. Which it has. Art exhibits have gotten cleaned up by janitors who mistook them for trash, and visitors have gathered around trash on the floor after mistaking it for an art exhibit. It's like the Sokal affair or the Grievance studies affair in social science.
>>156065892Netflix can't force any outside studio to use AI, but they can reduce what they're willing to pay so much so that any show not using AI may be unfeasible. I don't know when this might happen, but it will eventually.AI is deflationary. Otherwise we wouldn't be worrying about it taking over every job.
>>156066714China somehow became the most soulful country after 2020. Literally just sat back and let the western world shit all over itself
>>156065587Go back to /v/ you niece raping faggot.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/username/Lovecraft%27s%20cat/
>>156066704>It cuts production and labor costs to zeroAnd replaces them with a massive intrusive system by which buying lemonade from a stand or using a shopping cart at Aldi requires Internet-linked devices with two-party identification. Physical items have no electronic overhead.>CBDC is the next logical step.By what logic?
>>156066737Haven't we all concluded 99% of the art world is the Rich's version of stuffing money under the mattress?>>156066741Most of the worries are coming from the AI frontrunners like Elon Musk. They make outrageous statements to make AI sound more impressive than it really is to keep pumping money into that bubble.
>>156066811>Haven't we all concluded 99% of the art world is the Rich's version of stuffing money under the mattress?Pretty much. But what gets made can still be pretty absurd, which bears pointing out. Art used to be about making the world nicer to live in.
>>156066809>And replaces them with a massive intrusive system by which buying lemonade from a standDude it's ridiculously easy to exchange money electronically now. Square has existed for over a decade. Aldi shopping carts are not a good enough reason to keep the quarter in production. Maybe for scratch-off lotto tickets, but that's it.
>>156066834>Art used to be about making the world nicer to live in.Then why aren't we appreciating that? Buildings aren't made with marble anymore. Churches are in strip malls. Where did all the beauty in the world go?
>>156063364Sure, just ignore the past four years of countless AI failures, it's totally the minority that hates slop
>>156066855>Dude it's ridiculously easy to exchange money electronically now.How about if the power goes out? Or your social credit score is low?
>>156062602Netflix are so far removed from the service that made Bojack Horseman now, not just in animation, everything they produce is complete dogshit, there is the very occassional auteur director movie on there but their actual television output is the lowest quality slop imaginable.
>>156066714People don't seem to realize that for normalfags, AI is just background noise content. No one wants to pay for that shit besides fags with AI psychosis.
>>156066647ANYTHING about the story, characters, projects, instead of tiny little nitpicks? Anything to prove you can comprehend anything about what I’m making?
>>156067023Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, gives a flying fuck about whatever "story" an LLM churns out you rancid niecefucker.
>>156067023>ANYTHING about the story, characters, projectsThis is about the human contribution.>instead of tiny little nitpicksThis is about the AI contribution. The comic was given as an example of what AI can do, co critiquing it is appropriate.
>>156066430Is this terrible page supposed to be convincing me that AI art is good? The Centaur woman is pivoting her upper torso from the back of her right leg, her hand outstretched on a broken arm, her front legs are tappered inwards like she's holding out to pee, it's so incredibly shitty looking. The page layout is trash, instead of using the 180 degree rule between frames to distinguish conversation participants it just holds on the same angle, inexplicably a series of dutch angles, this is badly rendered and badly told, god the third panel has the centaur pointing in the wrong direction. This is unbelievably shitty.
>>156062602okay, how are they doing this? which model? cuz i will just make my own bullshit cartoons that nobody will watch but me.
>>156062750>Fire all the creators and then when the AI cartoons all inevitably bomb, what, hire them back?actual programmers have been fired and replaced by AI, then the AI fucked up, then they rehired the programmer at a lower wage to fix it. This is just the first step in downsizing, the end goal is to never have to pay anyone again, but still not have UBI and still not lower product costs.
>>156067021Buddy people don’t want to pay for cartoons in general, that’s why merch and Patreon exists.>>156067049This is exactly the kind of internet behavior which AI purges from the world.If you want an internet without lousy lowlifes looking to attack others to feel better about themselves, that’s another reason to support AI.>>156067054So you’re in some kind of locked state where you absolutely refuse to say anything about my creative projects?Why should I care about what you say about AI, then? AI does not share your defect, it’ll give a response to anything I show it. You’re just plainly less helpful 100%.>>156067080You sound like a gay person who takes art commissions who thinks “intelligent commentary” about art means mentioning the 180 rule.Making artwork without rules ingrained in the people you know by art colleges is another benefit of AI.
>>156067186>So you’re in some kind of locked state where you absolutely refuse to say anything about my creative projects?I'm not interested in them. But I don't like people pretending to not understand what others say, thereby making discourse impossible.
>>156066430>>156067186AI shillers are crypto commies who want you to believe they're the ones fighting commies.
>>156067221This isn’t a trait you hold on your own, it’s shared by every single other leftist AI hater.They don’t believe in “platforming” chuds so they won’t ever speak on their work except to degrade it.Nasty women in animation encouraged me to “gain a platform” so people like yourselves would suddenly be willing to to discuss my work by giving up my beliefs. Instead I waited until AI came along to solve this problem. You can see here it identifies storytelling/game potential in my work.>>156067227Babble.
>>156066915I can kind of believe that the execs believe Americans and the west are less sophisticated than the Chinese and will take to AI media more. Boomers are clearly enamored by it.>>156066922Phones have batteries and can still be used when there is a power outage. Usually there's at least one tower nearby still able to service it. And social credit score isn't a thing, though we really ought to make a law banning such a practice. Nobody wants to live in a world full of influencers.>>156067013I think it's a mixed bag, a roll of the dice. Netflix tries whatever will stick. There's a 98% failure rate, but that 2% could be K-Pop Demon Hunters.
>>156065656It started getting shilled here when they introduced a generic badass girl people could fawn over for being a femdom tomboy. That's literally all it ever takes for people to completely change their tune about something they didn't like and then give it a lot more visibility.
>>156067021Wouldn't normalfags just stop paying for Netflix and put on YouTube for free instead? I'm a normalfags and that's what I do except I listen to the background while playing a game mindlessly.>>156067137Yeah, they're getting too cocky. I wish for all those investors to eat dirt after eating so much bullshit, but we all know they got their parachutes on.>>156067186Dude, just go. Go away. You don't want criticism because the AI outweighs all other qualities of "your work", and we don't want to see your AI slop. We can't even tell what is "your work" and what was the AI.
>>156067246You're a communist, bro.
>>156067246>AI hater.I don't hate AI. I think it's pretty cool. When used competently. But you were pretending to not understand accurate criticism. You're no Skyebrows. If you want to be, you need to fix problems.
>>156066266you can always spot AI from that fucking "epic" font everyone has it use, like that title. i see it on so many food posters.
>>156067260>Usually there's at least one tower nearby still able to service it.Sounds like a plan to base the economy on. And what about blackouts that exceed a phone's battery life?>And social credit score isn't a thing, though we really ought to make a law banning such a practice. Did you miss what happened to the Canadian truckers?
>>156067322>And what about blackouts that exceed a phone's battery life?Then we got bigger problems than e-commerce, like people dying.And who cares about truckers? They're first on the chopping block when blue-collar jobs start getting automated.
>>156067293Now you’re seeking to demand me to think according to you and your social group instead of myself, using the typical tactic of “see I agree with you just open your mind to me bro” while a nasty leftist who refuses to even look at my work, thus an enemy.AI is excellent at insulating an independent artist from you AND it can give actual criticism. I don’t need to accept shit from you, enemy.>>156067307Still focused on tiny tangential details. People in indie, industry, and social media trends use all the same cliches like TV Head Guy.
>>156067260>I can kind of believe that the execs believe Americans and the west are less sophisticated than the Chinese and will take to AI media moreSure, but that's because execs are braindead morons, not because people want it.>Boomers are clearly enamored by it.Boomers are also a literal dying breed. Netflix catering to that market would just be Branson USA 2: Electric Boogaloo. Except even dumber because not even Boomers want to pay for slop.
>>156066469All of these pics look absolutely uninteresting and uninspired. You see it and you just know it is slop made with no effort and no humanity put into it.Part of what makes art attractive is knowing another person has put part of their own self into making it. AI shit is absolutely soulless. I know the term gets thrown around a lot, but that's the best way to describe it.You see an art that awes you, a story that moves you, characters that speak to you, and knowing that someone was actively behind those things makes us feel admiration, and, in a way, less alone.Human blood, sweat and tears are what makes people connect with each other through art, and that's a good thing.
>>156067410> knowing that someone was actively behind those things They’re my stories you dumb faggot. It’s no different than if a human made concept art for them.You’ll write tumblr style gay poetry about the value of labor and social resonance but you won’t ever just shut up and click on my stories to read them.
>>156063364>regular people will watch it if its goodI mean, they don't even watch certain shows even when they are good.But based on the current track record of AI content, I wouldn't hold my breath on the AI stuff being good anyway.
>>156067277>Wouldn't normalfags just stop paying for Netflix and put on YouTube for free instead?Yes, that's largely what they're doing.Youtube overtook Netflix in terms of marketshare years ago and it's by far the largest platform.Normalfags are passive consumers, they don't really care, they're just looking for a momentary distraction.
>>156067450Your stories suck ass man, as does your art. Using AI won't change that.
>>156067353>Then we got bigger problems than e-commerce, like people dying.Happens regularly in California. In the aftermath of natural disasters, recovery tends to go better if people can buy and sell things.>And who cares about truckers? You should. The Canadian government froze the bank accounts of truckers protesting COVID-19 vaccine mandates.
>>156067450Post a script, let us judge your storytelling external to the terrible implementation of it through AI
>>156067386>see I agree with you just open your mindI don't. I'm pointing out what you're doing wrong.
>>156067404True for most but I wouldn't discount the boomer market when the boomers hoard two-thirds of the world's wealth.>>156067410Not to defend namefag (though I suggest we don't engage anymore), but general audiences don't really care about the work that went into something. They want something of a certain quality. I'd rather my clothes be manufactured by machines.I bet most artists won't trust AI to perform their craft adequately. I wouldn't want AI to write anything for me. I bet animators don't want AI to do actual animation as it won't communicate all the nuances properly.>>156067464It's been several years and nothing that we know of made by AI has had any success. I think it's like VR headsets in that the novelty is interesting but nothing is a must-play or must-watch.
>>156062602>source: some troon on blueskyok
>>156067410Pretty sure he knows that deep down. Part of the reason why this nimrod is such a fervent AI shill is because he was a failed artist for over a decade plus (pic related as an example). He pushes for AI as a cover for his shame and as an outlet for his unironic schizophrenia.
>>156067551I mean, half the problem is that animation was already largely outsourced, western animation was doing scripts/storyboards and then having the labor of animation done in Korea, from netflix's perspective they're just swapping to a cheaper outsourcing partner. Though I am sure they'd want AI thumbnail work too, just to pay the workers less.
>>156067551>but general audiences don't really care about the work that went into somethingThey objectively do. Why do you think beind the scenes features and documentaries are entire genres of their own? Because people care about how the sausage is made, and anyone saying otherwise is just trying to scam them.
>>156067670Those were a thing for millenials growing up on lord of the rings dvds, that market doesn't exist anymore, we had a golden age of media literacy but it's gone, zoomers don't care about art and boomers are not interested in new art.
>>156067551>It's been several years and nothing that we know of made by AI has had any success.https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/03/tech/ai-art-fair-winner-controversy
>>156067705That's not really market success, and the catagory was for photo manipulation, if this wasn't AI you wouldn't care about this award, it's niche to begin with.
>>156067613…this art is not mine you mental case.>>156067476This is an automatic response you say to people like me and thus has no meaning. It’s “bigotry,” if that comparison helps you see the problem.>>156067498Yeah you’re a gay person with a degradation fetish forcing yourself upon me and AI insulates from you. Thats what I’ve been saying
>>156067731>That's not really market success>pic>the catagory was for photo manipulation>In August, Allen, a game designer who lives in Pueblo West, Colorado, won first place in the emerging artist division’s “digital arts/digitally-manipulated photography” category at the Colorado State Fair Fine Arts Competition.>The definition for the category in which Allen competed states that digital art refers to works that use “digital technology as part of the creative or presentation process.”>if this wasn't AI you wouldn't care about this awardCorrect, because then it wouldn't be a well-known example of AI art beating human art in an art competition. But it was, so it is. And so your claim here >>156067551 is wrong, with that as an example demonstrating its wrongness.
>>156067765>Thats what I’ve been sayingThereby pretending to not understand criticism.
Are the AI sloptards using Gippity to write their replies too? They seem really buzzword heavy and focus on Tumblr faggotry a lot.
>>156067794Now you think you can dominate what I actually think and believe. You perverts use the easy access of social media to artists to try to force them to think the way you want. AI supports the actual originality of an artist, in thought and creation.>>156066605I played twisted metal a lot as a kid and it’s highly influential to some of my projects.
>>156067473I guess we're in agreement. You're alright, anon.>>156067489California is unsustainable. If you need your water ported in from hundreds of miles away, you're fucked. And the place is always catching on fire because that's it's natural state of being.Fuck those truck drivers and fuck the Canadian government.>>156067685>>156067670The demand is there, but it's not enough to drive streamers to host all those extras. Streamers want to do the bare minimum to keep subscribers.>>156067786I said market success. A contest isn't market.
>>156063684>be dissolvedYou mean its still on? I checked it the other day and the channel was a signal test.
>>156067765>…this art is not mine you mental caseSure it isn't, guy. Why not post your old work then? I know you have it. Or are you going to prove me correct in that you ARE ashamed of your own existence?
>>156067838>Now you think you can dominate what I actually think and believe.I regard it as more plausible that you're dishonest than THAT stupid.>>156067867>California is unsustainable.So I guess a CBDC wouldn't work there, huh?>I said market success.>>156067551>It's been several years and nothing that we know of made by AI has had any success.
>>156062602 I love this mentality, make crappy shows the one watches, proceed to blame artists, replace artists with foreigners, make crappy shows no one watches replace foreign artists with AI, make crappy shows no one watches etc. animation industry has been dead pretty much since the end of adventure Time. It's like when the CEO of Disney came out and said the problem with the marvel movies wasn't that they were crappy and woke it was because they cost too much. That's why there's a huge push for AI they're going to make the same crappy stuff cheaper, notice how they never talk about replacing the directors or the writers it's always the special effects guys and modelers. Animators the little nobody's who have no real control direction
>>156064830I invest in the companies that make the cards to make the AI.
>>156065587>syringeHe's going to give them cardio edema?
>>156067902Well you quoted me as having market success.California is ecologically unsustainable. CBDC can work there as long as society can.>>156067912Disney seriously needs to cut their theatrical movie budget.
>>156065596>heavily impacted their animation department.I thought they laid off their animation department years back, with the only new projects being ones down by outside studios they could pay for finished products.
>>156065697>glitch>boycottI dont think they would. It strongly seems like Glitch gets where it is by dancing for the man as much as possible.
>>156067970>Well you quoted me as having market success.When you moved the goalpost, yes. That's what I was pointing out.>CBDC can work there as long as society can.Except when the power goes out.
>>156065849December 4th is going to be the next "big shot." I think everyone is avoiding November expecting GTA6 to absorb that much of the market.
>>156063655it has to be new to get attention, culture is now based around reaction not understanding
>>156062750mbas believe if you fire all workers, your profits will skyrocket
>>156066593desu that anime rock paper scissors animation by Corridor Digital is the best we can get atmand that like rotoscoping+ new funky mode
>>156067765Funny how people ask to Grok/Gemini/GPT, "please make the latest AAA videogame", and never cute SNES-like Pixelart or puzzle games
>>156068171https://youtu.be/jVf0alKHQD8
>>156068152are they wrong tho?
>>156067410>Part of what makes art attractive is knowing another person has put part of their own self into making itWatercolor? oil painting? charcoal? woodcut?Nobody post in social media photos of his amazing creations of watercolor, oil painting, charcoal and woodcut. Before of ChatGPT internet artists only draw using ipads and today they draw with ChatGPT, but never draw anything in a physical object
>>156064272The banana taped to the wall was intentional trolling and people keep taking the bait
>>156068018this fag just makes the same vaguely connected, boring and uninspired vignettes all the other AIslop "movies" do
My job is lineman and AI or robots cant replace this.
>>156068230refusing to ask basic questions like "why would anyone buy an iphone or a netflix subscription if the only work they can fine is temporary or freelance" is why most of these companies are posting worse and worse profits.
>>156068239It has nothing to do with it being done in physical media, but rather in knowing another human being put effort behind it. Digital art is much easier and practical than traditional art, but it still requires effort, skill, etc.
>>156068326They can sell cartoons to other people. Forestry analysts, politicians, chiropractors, sub-saharan africa
>>156067765>This is an automatic responseIt is not. I usually admire people giving their best even if their art isn't great, since failing and trying to learn from it is essential for anything in life, not just art, but yours just sucks. I would respect it if you were humble, but that is not the case. You think you're great and that everyone is wrong, which is the mark of an idiot.
>>156068368So does AI art. If you haven’t actually used the technology and just parrot what everyone on your discord is saying, your opinion is worthless.AI is constantly generating questions as it figures out design and canon, which requires a lot of reading and thinking time from me.>>156068192Yeah I don’t want to do those since Toby Fox taught me the audience it brings.>>156067965Have you considered actually reading the story to find things out like a normal person? Does that go through your head at all or are you brainrotted and just flow with your algorithm?
>>156068368>but rather in knowing another human being put effort behind itNo if the "artist" make digital art using the bare minimum. And you have "Artists" of X making characters in the Adult Swim style, tshirt and pants, only in two solid colors, empty background and awful proportions.
>>156068394This is a gay person stigmatizing individuality and an auteur approach to creativity, signaling that anyone who won’t “open his mind” and dump out his own ideas to have them replaced with the social group’s is evil.Instead, AI maintains a record of all my ideas it has access to. This technology will put a permanent damper on all your future efforts to therapeutize away young visions.
>>156064761Somebody buckling down for a few months could also write the greatest novel or screenplay, or paint the greatest portrait, or film the greatest indie movie. Technology was never the limiting factor. Talent and creativity are. Technology just means the result happens sooner. If it was going to be shit, AI just throws it at us faster.
>>156068518>Technology just means the result happens sooner.Therefore it reduces the significance of a limiting factor.
>>156068555AI, at best, will be as liberating as modern cell phones were for photography. Everyone can take amazing pictures whenever they want. But there's still such a thing as professional photographers, and everyone can tell when a place just uses phone pictures taken by the owner's kid.Almost everyone in our society is literate. But most people can't come up with an interesting plot. If they'd use AI, they would indeed have the completed book that never would've existed before. But it wouldn't have existed before because they'd have realized after finishing chapter one that it sucked ass and quit.
>>156068676>Almost everyone in our society is literate.Might want to check the recent stats.
Well this happened, and we're down to like 5 shows, and they only make 2 episodes per year instead of 52
Look, AI can already do stonetoss
>>156068676>AI, at best, will be as liberating as modern cell phones were for photographyI think you are underestimating the potential impact of AI. Or at least, you're taking a very one-sided look at it.What is the reason any artist works for a corporation? It's capital. It takes far more money and manpower to produce and distribute a cartoon than any single animator can muster, and is a tremendous risk because the money needs to be spent upfront. Financing is the actual primary function of publishers and studios.AI can upend this system by making animation so cheap to produce, that animators no longer need the studio. It is baffling to me that people only worry about AI taking their jobs, instead of seeing AI as liberation from corporate dependence.How much cost reduction does a company like Netflix expect from AI? 30%, 50%, even 80%? At that point, animators should be smart enough to say "hey, it is now economically feasible for us to self-distribute on Youtube. Goodbye, Netflix."
>>156069382>AI can upend this system by making animation so cheap to produce, that animators no longer need the studio.And then non-animators will no longer need the animator.Go take a look at advertising for local bars and restaurants, what used to be promotional art created by artists is now pretty much exclusively AIslop, because it's cheap.Animators aren't ALL delusional, they know that the average normalfag gives no fucks about animation or art, so they understand that AI is going to be "good enough" for the average person.Ironically, the only industries that will avoid this are the ones aimed at otaku and nerds, since many of them do like the idea of an artist who takes the time to learn how to draw and animate so that they can share their weird shit or fetishes with the world.
>>156065314what's the point of freedom of expression in movies when the autocratic government won't let you do anything edgy? of course chinese people won't watch that shit. it's boring and vanilla
>>156066469i would give the first 6 of those a chance but i doubt the writing will be good
>>156067410>rhetorical masturbationyeah i get it, a.i. can do art better than humans... thing is, none of you anti-a.i. types were saying shit about sculptures when 3D printing came out
>>156062602Good. The sooner animation transitions to AI the better.Face it, animation is one of those fields where AI makes logical, ethical, and moral sense. Animation is a back breaking endeavor that pays extremely little, that's why so much of it is outsourced to other countries.AI animation will allow creators to focus on what's important, writing, directing, story boarding, key frames, and art style.
>>156066442Eh. On one hand, I see plenty of potentially useful applications.On the other, I also think it's currently so terrible on just about every level, that rejecting it categorically is probably the most reasonable stance.
>>156066469What I love is we don't have people who only love AI art yet. We got people who enjoy AI art and traditional art, and people who hate AI art. Fuck the haters man, keep learning and improving and expanding and you'll be making great stuff.
>>156066674I worship the very idea of evil itself, and I want a world where everything good has been permanently destroyed. No, not merely destroyed, tortured into oblivion.
>>156067186He's literally me.
>>156067227I'm a commie and I refuse to be compared to AI shills.We actually take pride in honest labour.
>>156062602given how shit most cartoons look nowadays, is this really a shocker?
>>156062750>Stubbornly keep pumping them out for no profit?Yes
>>156062602i blame eyeballtank for this
>>156064773This is also why the right has been much more open to AI usage in animation than the left.Right wing creators have been ostracized and discriminated against for decades due to the woke takeover of the formal institutions, this give them all the incentives to be more pro-AI since there's no incentive in defending a medium that actively hates them as group. This affects heavily animation in the west, which is already infamous for being low quality slop for kids and millennial manchilds, so your average normalfag won't give a crap about who's actually doing everything behind scenes despite how much artists bitch on Twitter
>>156065980You can just call billionaires jews here, there is nothing censoring you
>>156063086Best Medicine is blatantly using an LLM for its script because no one acts like humans, and if you've ever used a chatbot in the past 2 years you're going to notice and catch on countless LLMisms that the show brazenly keeps in its dogshit script. The vast majority of viewers have no idea, and bringing it up makes them turn on YOU instead of opening their eyes.
>>156067498You did you retard. Don't move the goalposts and don't backpedal you literal 16 year old female bitch.
>>156065832No you retard your gen-Zers and 2010s thinking /co/mblrinas ruined the industry. Stop blaming people who have been dead since the 70s you fucking idiot and start blaming yourself. That's why you brownoid immigrant redneck imbeciles are calling yourselves baby zoomers, you're jealous of boomers cause they could just go to a factory and get a house. Maybe next time stay at your fucking parents' place instead of renting. Maybe next time STAY IN YOUR FUCKING COUNTRY. How typical of this gen-Z shithole that refuses to fuck off already even after 4chan is 90% dead , to blame ANYONE ELSE BUT THEMSELVES. Just typical of a brown. HEY BROWNTARD, ever heard of not having 12 children? Ever heard of just fucking going to a jewish suicide center and letting the jews kill you if you think the future sucks so much? Just fucking kill yourself. You are the reason the jews even took over, you stoned mexican or african immigrant retard.
