In an interview with Chip Zdarsky, Zdarsky confirms that this also includes the One More Day deal, which has been nullified effective immediately. Early reviews state that Zdarsky’s Avengers run has Spider-Man in a clear and prominent leadership role, with his conflict with Mephisto front and center. What this means for the Amazing Spider-Man book, or Peter’s relationship with MJ, remains unclear, but one thing that is clear is that after 20 years, One More Day, one of the most maligned Spider-Man stories of all time, is finally done.
This is Marvel we're talking about though, if they want to somehow reinstate the deal then they'll find a way.
The deal is 'gone' but all the consequences of the deal remain.Same nonsense Joe tried to peddle in OMIT.You have no reason to be happy about ASM until the last of BND and its thinking are gone.
>>156120659It’s still a start. It’s a necessary first step that Marvel has resisted tooth and nail for twenty years, to the point that they sabotaged Nick Spencer’s run just to preserve OMD. It was their untouchable sacred cow for decades.
If you think about it, Paul has basically screwed things up so badly for editorial that they feel they have no choice but to erase One More Day along with him.
>>156120615I think they can just keep them apart without doing OMD 2.0.Maybe they shouldn’t have tried OMD 1.0.
>>156120591Doom has earned this one. Henceforth, I declare that Doom has the right to murder the loathesome Reed Richards.
>>156120965Not really, Doom owes Spidey.
>>156120615This. The deal may be gone but that doesn't mean they have to walk back the effects of it. I will believe it when I see it. They can easily come up with some random cosmic bullshittery to keep things as they are
>>156120979What are debts, between true friends?
>>156120591So is otto back in his clone combo bodyAnd remembers who peter is
>>156121058The fallout of the deals are probably sticking around… but Ock remembers making that deal now, yeah.
>>156120591Sonos johnny blaze normal now?
>>156121004If the Fantastic Four didn't exist, Doom would become a Spider-Man villain. Honestly, he's a better end boss than the vampires, Mephisto and Knull
I kneel to Zdarsky.
Joe Quesada is currently feeling a pain worse than when his dad died. Dan Slott is crying and shitting himself as we speak. Anyone else who could be losing their minds over OMD being retconned?
>>156120591So Zdarsky's run is about a Spider-Man led Avengers stopping Doom? Would be a cool way to handle MCU synergy. So are Avengers editors allowed to override the bullshit of the Spider-Man editorial house?
>OMD undone>Peter will be the main character of Marvel Universe againSay thank you.
>>156121090>If the Fantastic Four didn't exist, Doom would become a Spider-Man villain.That’s pretty much what happened in Stan Lee’s daily Spider-Man strips.
>>156121097Gwenschizo!>>156121127GLORY TO DOOM
>>156121127Doom-sama.....
>>156120591ONE DAYI DON'T KNOW WHY
>>156121237DOESN'T EVEN MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY
>>156121237Vaguepost King ass teaser
>>156120659>You have no reason to be happy about ASM until the last of BND and its thinking are gonethe most realistic thing I can allow myself to expect out of this, is that freeing Peter from Mephisto while not restoring the marriage, will at least entice new writers to take on the ASM bookliterally ONE (1) guy wrote ASM that wasn't part of BND since OMD, immediately tried to undo it, and got fuckedI know we're not allowed to say nice things about modern comic book writers on /co/, but allowing a recent "hot" writer to write ASM instead of dragging out writers from 20 years ago that haven't done anything since their BND mini, by itself, would be a drastic improvement for the book. And maybe JRJR will be allowed to retire.
>>156120591>all this happens right after Yoshida commits Seppuku“What is a lowly Shogun… to an Emperor?”
oh nooo the antijew is freeeee
>>156121613>Auf Wiedersehen, Herr Kaplan!>it is to make ze vorld… a bit more BASED
>>156120750They need to obliterate Dead Language from orbit.Do one of the umpteenth grave digging scenes for ASM but for Paul and find it empty, he was as fake as the kids. He was a Mephisto scheme and not a man.
>>156121237WATCH EM KEEP DANGLING KEYS THINKING THAT THEY TRY
>>156121438There are plenty of modern comic book writers I like, and they as a rule aren't let near ASM as it's a closed crony club with absurd inhouse rules.Like you said, the sole exception gets effectively blackballed when he doesn't play ball.
I don't believe him.Also the resolution to One More Day needs to involve Peter and MJ confronting Mephisto themselves. It can't be undone by an outside book.
>>15612059120 years from now people would still believe that Marvel would change the status quo of their characters.Like this is not a Spider-Man only thing but a general Marvel thing, they are just toys in a sandbox used as a idea farm for more profitable adaptations.If you don't believe me then tell me what was the last big permanent change of any big Marvel character in the last 10 years.
>>156122453Mephisto himself is OOC. He's supposed to be a character from Faust mythos yet he was introduced without Faust himself. Goethe must have been rolling in his grave with how hard his character has been wanked off.
>>156120591What's the point? Peter didn't learn anything if it just happens outside of his book
>>156122525>goethe watching as his clever tale gets mined by hack writers in corporations seeking throwaway excuse plots just because it's in the public domain
>>156122599Peter isn't allowed to learn things, especially not anything that will last for more than a single issue.
It's crazy how one bad story lives in the spider fans head
>>156122599Marvel Comics doesn't take the deal, its consequences nor what this says about the characters nor audience emotional investment seriously. So they will start the ball rolling in some event comic they want to roll up the eyes for.The party line has been only oldies care about the marriage, which is why whenever someone young brings up OMD and the marriage they get visibly shook. The idea that this issue might become cross-generational rotted albatross is a dawning reality to them.
>>156122654It's crazy how stories of previous emotional heights were never reached after.
>>156120591>>156120615>>156120919>>156120987I think you guys are grazing the fact, that unmaking OMD isn't gonna make Peter and MJ fuck like rabbits. It's probably done to save their asses "See we fix it, now please stop bringing Disney's golden goose, sold his soul o algo to the fucking devil, please it's just a quirky comic thing, please shut up"
>>156122501Danny Rand was replacedLuke Cage and Blade had childrenDoc Strange got a dog, a wife, and a third eyeGalactus became the “embodiment of a cosmos” and the whole 1st-8th cosmos thing became realProf Xavier was turned into a twinkSomething like half of the A and B listers turned gay/bi/etc. and that shit is never getting undoneEtcetera
>>156122599He’s confronting this in Avengers.
>>156121100Which falls in line with the shit I said before about DeFalco's retcon you retard.Even then, looking at the text you faggot, there is "..." when she says loads and loads of fun which indicates/implies hesitation/guilt. If you actually thought about it yourself, you would realize this. You dense motherfucker.
It's constant willful ignorance and misinterpretations that are beyond tiresome and instill immense fatigue. Those meme images of retards acting retarded for so long that they end up attracting real retards, is the most faggy situation. That's the impression I get from MJ trolls who just pull up old as fuck pages and try to ignore all that happens later. This isn't new shit. We know how it ends up and the character's arcs are clear and concise up until OMD. Everything after even not counting MJ is all just key jangling bullshit devoid of any purpose or merit, save for some artists.
>>156122525Your post has nothing to do with what I posted.
>>156122921Bad faith is all the office and its access media apologist have anymore.They have had decades to make their point and bring that exciting ocean of creative stories that a grounded, stable mutually loving relationship with potential children and progression was apparently holding back.None of the arguments make sense. None of the youth reasons hold up when you have the variants and of course the option to make a flashback or new ongoing at any time. It's simply a sunk cost ego trip continued, that will end the moment the industries oldest tarred dinosaurs go.
Why do niggas still hope?
>>156122735Even if they undo it, nobody is going to forget that it was done in the first place.
>>156122996Largest super-hero IP in the world still brings enough hopeful eyes for the dumb rump-state comic ongoing.
>>156123017It can be firmly fixed and put to rest, there is a path towards it that utterly undoes Paul, Slotts b8ing and undermining of MJ's character and the deal itself.But it would require either introspection and accountability in-office, which isn't happening. So we need the other thing. Time and new people.
>>156122973Public domain problem requires a public domain solutions.
>>156123188Your wife's son.
>>156122654Retard lmao
>>156123274>hallucinating bot replyThanks for conceding. Reply if you agree that Putin should nuke Poland in his nukechad arc.
>>156120675WHY, though? What about wrecking what was for decades one of the character's main USPs and enraging fans was sacred to Marvel and how did it get that way?
Here you go boyshttps://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/profile/thisispatton/reviews/24492274/avengers-1
>>156123995>Daredevil x CarolMatt deserves better
>>156123995Didn't Gambit lose the Eye less than a month ago, too? lol what is continuity anymore
>>156124531There's way too many events it would challenge editors of yore like DeFalco who were hardon about this, up to analyzing the grammar of the characters to keep it consistent.We have guys like Lowe.
>>156123995Isn't gambit in another universe letting another him fuck his wife?
>>156122501Tone deaf criticism. The real issue is that there's no real status quo to build a foundation on. They bounce to a new lackluster idea before the old is even settled, and only the worst ideas seem to carry over between runs.(i.e. Peter acting like a rookie whether he's rich with his own company, poor and living with Aunt May, conscripted into working for Dr. Doom or stuck in space)
>>156121096Pssssh, I don't.
>>156122680not that crazy really
>>156120591I guess they are depicting it in Avengers since Spider-Man vs Mephisto is not ASM material.>See ASM and the alien buddies and magical cousin.But then again, the spider office don't give a fuck.
>>156124531>>156125516Marvel decided to stick their head in a woodchipper and currently has had around 4-5 nation-spanning/global events happening pretty much concurrently or immediately back to back.>Infernal Hulk has turned midwestern America into a wannabe-cthulu city and has kidnapped/monsterized at least 6 heroes now>3K/OG Beast releasing the X-virus or whatever and forcefully mutating humans in a terrorist attack on US soil>everything involving Asgard>Red Hulk just helped Russia fucking nuke itself and Fury Jr is selling out the heroes to kickstart what will likely end up being Civil War 3, since Marvel thinks it should be their Crisis event or something>Queen in Black which happened ENTIRELY because Marvel wants to ape off Rivals success>now Doom has just completely vacated hell and released some of Earth's most heinous souls back to the livingGood fucking luck to whatever poor bastard has to make sense of this garbage
>>156126983Well Infernal Hulk bs is clearly happening after Armageddon since Cap is back in action, but Danvers is already depowered and short-haired and Johnny is moustachless.Queen in Black should be happening before Cap went into coma since he was leading AVENGE.R.S. and Johnny still had a moustache, so that's before Armageddon.How Doom's hell bullshit and events of the new Avengers run line up with Infernal Hulk, or where DNX fits in this (Magneto was still sick with his BS when Infernal Hulk faced X-Men, but was cured during DNX) is anyone's fucking guess.
If you are not getting Pete and MJ back together what is point of "Undoing" OMD.
>>156126983>3K/OG Beast releasing the X-virus or whatever and forcefully mutating humans in a terrorist attack on US soilTechnically, this is a crossover
>>156120591What does this mean for the Ghost Riders, or Master Pandemonium? Can Norman get his kids back.
I like the post-OMD / BND status quo though. I don't think Peter and MJ should be married. They're just... Too different. I prefer that Peter have serial monogamous relationships with multiple female character, both superhero and ordinary, instead of getting married.
>>156127329>t. Nick Lowe.
>>156122786>Something like half of the A and B listers turned gay/bi/etcThis never happened, 95% of lgbt characters are C and D listers that barely appar in comics
>>156123995>whining about not knowing an X-men storyline that’s been around for multiple years now
>>156126983Wow someone really can’t understand that not all events need to happen simultaneously
>>156127388To be fair Gail's book is shit and I don't blame him for skipping it
>>156123995>Spider-Man is written fineThat's all that matters. It's about time that Marvel accepts their brand is "Spider-Man and those other guys."
>>156127329stan lee wanted him to be married. If you are someone that thinks Marriage deflates narrative and gets in the way of adventure then I'm afraid your wife married the wrong man.
>>156127462>stan lee wanted him to be marriedAnd now he's dead.
>>156127408>It's about time that Marvel accepts their brand is "Spider-Man and those other guys."X-Men are much more important than Spider-Man ever was, comics-wise. And combined, their titles sell much more than Spider-Man's.
>>156123995>Spider-man is written fine.
>>156127388>an X-men storylineAgamotto is an x-man? I thought he was an ancient mystical martial artist who ascended to godhood and the eye was a magical artifact, but youre telling me the eye actually went to Xaviers School for Troubled Children and joined the x-men?
>>156127489Are you confident in holding Spider-Man IP as a hostage behind private domain jail because Stan Lee is dead, especially that Marvel is leaving NYC?
>>156127370Johnny StormIcemanPsylockeKitty PrydeMorphBlack CatFuck you, anon
>>156127615No, he's saying that Gambit having one of the Eyes of Agamotto is a X-Men storyline that was running for 2 years (it ended last month).
>>156126983>>156127077We already had a post going into how bad the continuity between Infernal Hulk is with the rest of the 616 >>155995909
>>156127496>X-Men are much more important than Spider-Man ever was...on opposite day btw.
>>156127408That's a retarded take. We've all learned that other Marvel characters can be popular and successful if given the opportunity and handled well. Even if one character and brand has been the company's flagship character for decades, ignoring or neglecting everyone else is just stupid and leaving money on the table.>>156127496And here come the X-fags who insist it's still the 1990s and it will always be the 1990s and the rest of the world hasn't moved on and left them stuck in the 90s.Most X-Men books that aren't the core titles have been selling badly for a long, long time, but Marvel just won't wake up and accept nobody wants to read X-Factor, X-Force, X-Husbands and X-Coffee Shop.
>>156127496So important, you could cut them out of 616 entirely, and the entire universe would be better without those perpetual victimizing cunts.
>>156128174Your hero will never be Spider-Man.
>>156128119At this point, Infernal Hulk shouldn't be treated as canon.
>>156127496Spider-Man has consistently outsold the X-Men even before they hit their post-Krakoa slump
>>156120591Link or keep your shitty fanfic to yourself.
>>156120615Even if they get rid of the deal, they're still going to do the same stupid shit they've always done. Call me when Spider-man is as good as he was in the 80s and 90s.
>>156121613Not gonna lie, kinda dig this Red Skull design.
>>156129581https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRVbUH87pQc>"I just thought about the idea of, like, Doom take -- winning in the end, and just taking over Hell, and what does that mean? What does that look like? And one of the things I just thought of was like, 'Well, like, Doom -- Doom's not a slave owner. He's not that level of evil. Like, he wouldn't want to own souls. That's owning people, right? And so, whatever contracts that Mephisto drew up for that, like, no, Doom -- Doom is not going to honor those. Like, that's -- that's -- that's ridiculous.' Um, which, you know, obviously there's a -- a famous contract in Amazing Spider-Man... So, you know, there's going to be -- there's going to be some ripples there."
>>156120591>One More Day, one of the most maligned Spider-Man stories of all time, is finally done.But the consequences will never be undone, so it means nothing in the end.
>>156130415This is a very necessary first step in getting it undone.
>>156120750How exactly has Paul screwed things up for editorial?
>>156130387What the fuck does this mean for Ghost Rider
>>156130851They really weren't expecting the degree of backlash they got, and even killing him off hasn't really put things back in a good place for them.
>>156130918a retcon into being powered by some other demon
>>156131277More likely, he just keeps the powers but is no longer beholden to Mephisto on a metaphysical level.
>>156121127So how many planes of existence Doom has ruled?
>>156132022at least three
>>156128007They lie as easily as they rape children.
>>156132797And all of them involve Spider-Man getting something out of it...
>>156134390Doom to Richards: "Fuck you!"Doom to Dr. Strange: "Fuck you!"Doom to Mephisto: "Fuck you!"Doom to Spider-Man: "You're cool."Doom to Tony Stark: "And fuck you!"
>>156130851It basically brought the worst of OMD back to the forefront by making it seem likePeter anf MJ were about to get together, only for them to pull the rug with the awful plot that introduced Paul and then forced a relationship with MJ.
>>156134682Pretty much. People were perfectly willing to let OMD go as long as Peter and MJ were back together. Then they fucked with that, and now they're having to pull OMD.
>>156133354We should ask Gwenschizo if raping children is actually easy.
>>156134775I hate that Polack so much. He's caused me to be racist against Polish people.
>>156128174>X-Coffee ShopThat actually sounds like a hilarious premise under good writing
>>156128119616 needs a clean up. From Avengers Disassembled to now
>>156134682What happened? I didn't read it. I'm just finding out about this guy now. A manbun hipster who cucks Peter? What the hell? I'm glad I stopped reading Spider-Man as a teenager right after OMD because this is some fucked up humiliation ritual.
>>156135236I’m 99% sure that Paul flopping so badly is what prompted them to finally throw up their hands and end OMD.
>>156135253Is there some bigger context to this? From what I'm gathering, Peter and MJ were in a relationship, then time dilation happens and instantly she's fucking some other dude and then this other dude starts beating Peter up and sending him money out of pity? Is this real? Was the reaction on /co/ as hilarious as I'm imagining it to be? How could Marvel have thought this was a good idea? I feel bad for missing out on it since the last time I even tried to read Spider-Man was during the Superior days when it wasn't actually Peter.
>>156135253>Is there some bigger context to this?Putin wants be to be a nukechad in 616. Because being a nukechad is a chad thing, Paul, Mephisto, and Poland became a jobbers.
>>156135391Oh no, no, Peter plays out the stalker first having rescued stockholm syndrome MJ from another dimension where 4 years passed, THEN Paul becomes the better man paying out his hospital debt (they never explained how a multiverse illegal alien was loaded), but otherwise yes, israel. Sorry, it's real, his surname is Rabin you see. MJ turns around in a heated moment and tells Peter the way Paul felt guilty (over assisting his father genocide his entire universe) reminded her of a certain someone. Not even making this up.Nothing will happen by the way. Nothing will ever happen. You're all fools for thinking otherwise.
>>156135521Paul Rabin is the probably the first Israeli in Marvel comics to ever be buried as a christian.
>>156135236After everything that happened with Kindred, Peter and MJ were dating again and about to move in together. And then, either at the end of that very same issue or the very next, some asshole appeared in the room and teleported MJ away to the Paul dimension and was apparently stranded for years or something, and fucking dumped Peter. Ever since Peter has been living the life of a perpetually kicked puppy, pretty much every friendship he had outside of Robbie blowing the fuck up for no god damn reason, with this Ravage shit topping the cake.
>>156135391>>156135521>>156135741Also Paul accidentally triggered a mass genocide on his own Earth, wiping out every single man, woman, and child on his planet save for him, out of reckless greed.This is just like how Peter didn’t stop the thief who killed Uncle Ben, so we should feel bad for Paul.
Aunt May will die but it'll look like Peter was entirely responsible for the incident when Cormac Crane walks in at the wrong time and moment. This will increase his hatred of Peter 9/11 x 10000000
>>156120591Here's the real question. Will this make Spider-Man stories good?
>>156135925I have no idea who this is. I'm only here because I heard they retconned OMD, but I guess they didn't. I ACTUALLY stopped reading Spider-Man after OMD, unlike the tortured cucks who kept reading and proving editorial right. I've only enjoyed one Spider-Man comic since, and that was the one where he teaches chemistry to cavemen and Wolverine shoots Doom the living planet with the Phoenix in gun form.So, why is Superboy Prime raping Peter?
>>156136101Cormac is Aunt May and Uncle Ben’s long lost son, who has memory altering powers. He used those powers to erase Aunt May’s memories of Peter because he’s jealous that Peter got a life with his parents and he hadn’t.
>>156136045No, instead you'll get Peter and MJ being a Reddit quirk chungus couple (with Peter letting MJ sleep with other men because he respects women's rights)
>>156136194>scrape>scrape>scrape
>>156136206And that's assuming they'll even get back together in the first place.
>>156136194But Peter is Aunt May's son.
Like I can understand raising the kids and the fact this was apparently her only defense from the thing he caused, but why did MJ need to sleep with him?Does Wells think you just leave a man and a woman alone together for a couple of years they will inevitably fuck? Would MJ fuck those businessmen who spill oil in the gulf from their negligence, if they say they are super sorry?
>>156136101>I'm only here because I heard they retconned OMD, but I guess they didn't.No, the deal is indeed gone, but it's going to take longer for the two of them, and Marvel as a company, to decide what their relationship is even going to look like going forward after all this time fucking around with the stupidest shit imaginable prior to this.But there's no more "muh deal" hanging over the comics.
>>156136259They're married and have kids. How is that hard?
>>156136257Paul was literally the last man on Earth, MJ gave up on being rescued after about three years because she didn't know about the time dilation, also Paul Rabin's evil math wizard dad was also influencing her with magic to get into a relationship with his son for reasons we don't understand, because he needed to sacrifice MJ in order to ascend to godhood, for reasons we don't understand.
>>156136273They want to at least build a story around the fallout and reconciliation instead of poofing them back together instantaneously. Because they still need to sell comicbooks.
>>156136303>They want to at least build a story around the fallout and reconciliationThat's way too optimistic.
>>156136328Well, the other alternative is that they want to do the absolute bare minimum to win people back after the Paul Saga managed to even worse than the Clone Saga, so they'll annul the deal but still keep them apart because of stupid bullshit.But at the very least, they'll have to figure out what that stupid bullshit is even supposed to be, because they can no longer use "muh Mephisto" as an excuse ever again.Regardless of what happens next, the OMD deal had to be shitcanned, in order for anything to be able to happen at all.
>>156136257If you hop on Reddit and talk to people about this, yes, plenty think that two people alone together will end up having trauma sex and it's so heckin' valid. >>156136328Something's going to come of it at this point. It might be shit, but they're clearly not waking up in the same bed with rings on their fingers come June. They'll have a lot to process. The drama might actually get people to buy the book.Or, Kelly will just fridge it all until he's off the book. Or, we're going to get Secret Wars 3.0 and rebooting the universe. So, OMD will have ended, but in a brand new 616, they'll still be apart.
>>156136288>Paul was literally the last man on EarthBecause of him. Those piles of dead corpses she could smell were because he was a bad son who exploited and delegated care of his mentally ill gifted father. She never holds him to account and bafflingly compares it to Peter, she should have been shipped to a deprogrammer.>MJ gave up on being rescued after about three years because she didn't know about the time dilationPaul did. He explicitly knew, and he also had to have known considering this was his field. Out of universe the writers forgot, in-universe one must assume he intentionally kept that knowledge in the hopes of breaking her down and getting into her pants by isolation.>also Paul Rabin's evil math wizard dad was also influencing her with magic to get into a relationship with his son for reasons we don't understandWhich is rape, if the manchildren actually making these comics did more than spellcheck, they would have realized the 'chains' line is the same field as Marcus Immortus. It also doesn't explain why she stayed with him after, other than trauma bonding with your rapist. But none of this is brought up or taken seriously, the Spoffice are in willful denial of the story they made because they don't want to have done another Carol. So they make these MJ's choices she made despite how radioactive they are.>because he needed to sacrifice MJ in order to ascend to godhood, for reasons we don't understand.Thank you Wells, and kill Kamala as you bow out.It's a good summary anon, it's just such a fucking mess and they don't treat it honestly.
>>156136434>Something's going to come of it at this point.We already know there's going to be fallout, and Marvel is about as sick of people bringing up Paul as we are of ever having had him around in the first place.
>>156136367>in order for anything to be able to happen at all.Sure, but that's assuming the Spider-Man editorial wants anything in Peter's life to change (for the better), which they haven't shown any indication of. They teased ASM 1000 as 'changing Spider-Man forever' and it was basically just May magically losing her memories of Peter to a FOTM villain who's only special because he's Ben and May's son and Peter's cousin. Odds are May's memories will return after this arc with Cormac wraps up.>>156136434>Something's going to come of it at this point.Again, I doubt it. Especially since keeping Peter and MJ separated is one of their sacred cows.
>>156136460One More Day is basically being killed to appease fans who are still upset about Paul and not having any alternative to flock to anymore like Ultimate Spider-Man. It's a very 'break glass in case of emergency' scenario here.
>>156136460Their funny haha take that fans got turned around and started hurting them in the wallet. And it's going to linger for a long while.Anything that can actually break gottahavemyspidey mentality is a hell of a thing.
>>156136486I believe the 'deal' will be gone in the same way Joe Q actually thought Mephisto was outsmarted in OMIT.Wherein through some nonsense legalese Marvel will say the deal is gone, but the consequences of it will remain, so in effect they get everything they wanted anyway.
>>156136479>Again, I doubt it. Especially since keeping Peter and MJ separated is one of their sacred cows.Well, One More Day was also one of their sacred cows, to the point that they sabotaged Spencer's run for the sake of preserving it. Now it's being shitcanned.Zeb Wells, by fucking up as badly as he had, did more to change the book than even Nick Spencer. Entirely by accident.
>>156136499>I believe the 'deal' will be gone in the same way Joe Q actually thought Mephisto was outsmarted in OMIT.Given the fact that the comics are still acting is if the Mephisto deal had always been in place, I'm pretty sure Joe Q was just trying to appease people without ever following through it in the comic.
>>156136507Quesadilla and his faggot orbiters only like OMD because it kept Peter and MJ separate, even with OMD undone they'll still keep them apart.
>>156136538They have no idea how to do it without OMD. OMD was literally just a hail mary, contrived deus ex machine, brute force option of last resort. They knew it was retarded then, they *all* know it was retarded now, but they're convinced it was a necessity. It was bitter medicine, to tell the truly *great* stories that awaited the book once the Evil Marriage was gone.Great stories like the Paul Rabin saga, for example. While preventing BAD stories like Ultimate Spider-Man 2.0, Marvel's most successful book for two consecutive years while effortlessly selling more than the mainline.Now daddy Disney is putting its foot down, and shipping them over to Burbank to be babysat and given a lot more scrutiny, because they know they're leaving money on the table. It's not a coincidence that this is happening after the biggest editorial shakeup since Marvel's bankruptcy in the 90's. Something had to give.They're not about to introduce something even more retarded just minutes after shitcanning the most retarded possible story they thought they could reasonably get away with, and actually couldn't.
>>156136597All was summarized anon, but you forget one crucial fact of comics.Never underestimate how retarded Spoffice is.
>>156136626>well summarizedApologies anon
>>156136597>They have no idea how to do it without OMD.Doesn't mean they'll set Peter and MJ on the path of becoming a couple again. This is still Marvel we're talking about, they will literally choose to be retarded over having Peter and MJ get back together (or even just making Peter act his age, dude is pushing 30).
Brevoorts medicine is arsenic, and I would like the medieval doctor to stop treating my headaches with it now please.
>>156136626>Never underestimate how retarded Spoffice is.Right, but, it'll still take them a while to try something. They're not that creative either.It's going to be at least a decade before they ever try to shove MJ into any relationship that isn't Peter Parker. RIP Bobby Carr and Pedro the Firefighter, Paul poisoned their entire well.
>>156136660She might get with Flash or Tony but their chances of being MJ's next boyfriend are iffy at best.
>>156136644>Doesn't mean they'll set Peter and MJ on the path of becoming a couple againThere doesn't seem to be anywhere else for the story to go, and Joe Kelly is already subtly pushing Raelith out while pulling MJ back in. He may not like the pairing, but at a certain point you have to realize you're not a fucking rockstar and you actually have to give people what they want. If people only read your book to get angry about it, they can do it just as easily by pirating scans of it online. People will only buy what they actually want to see more of.
>>156136660Did Slott have Peter peeping on Bobby having sex with MJ through a window taking pictures? Or am I having a fever dream?
>>156136674Tony's ass is going to jail, MJ is still bonded to a Symbiote, and Flash is bonded to an Anti-Symbiote that runs the risk of killing MJ's Symbiote if they even so much as hug for too long.
>>156136683The problem is that you're thinking rationally from a storyteller's perspective about this, if you were an egotistical boomer/Gen Xer who works for a corporate enterprise dedicated to milking IPs as much as possible and who also thinks he's hot shit who can do no wrong, then your perspective might be different.
>>156136703No that actually happened. Peter was trying to make money doing tabloid shit for the Bugle, and was taking pictures of them fucking.At least Bobby was a piece of shit, and MJ eventually realized he was nothing but a narcissistic degenerate junkie. Paul, meanwhile, could walk on water despite the genocide.
>>156136742NTA but I'm pretty sure he didn't know it was her at the time.
>>156136738Which is why I think Disney firing Marvel's President, Vice President, Editor in Chief, and relocating the entire operation to Burbank despite the company being firmly entrenched in New York for decades, really punctured a lot of inflated egos. We still haven't seen the full fallout of all this. More old people are going to be leaving, and more people are going to be coming in, over the next few months. We're still wrapping up Cebulski's leftovers, whatever Wacker has in mind for the books probably won't be in effect until whatever 1 Day is in June.
>>156136775Wacker's an OMD true believer, though.
>>156136742Christ that's sleezy. That's Byrne writing Superman and Barda in a porno levels of spite, but at least that got stopped before it went anywhere.I've yet to read a woman under Slotts pen who was better for it.I mean it's better than Wells, but that bar is pushing Morlocks to the floor.
>>156136753Maybe. He destroyed the photos anyways because as desperate as he was, this whole thing was just far too scummy for him.
>>156136796How the fuck was Slott not stopped from writing this plot?
>>156136788Wacker hasn't been in comics in a long time, and when he was with Marvel he was a rank and file editor. He's obliged to not shit-talk his bosses publicly and be a good company man. Spencer's run was completely screwed over because he tried too hard to push back against OMD under Cebulski's tenure, for example. Now he's got a new job, and saw the previous Editor in Chief get fired because Cebulski and Alonso before him weren't good for much beyond being Joe Quesada cultists. It's entirely possible Wacker concluded 'ooga booga, if I pander to fans more I'll keep my job.'
>>156136840Wacker downplayed and laughed off the pretty blatant sexual assault and sleeze in Superior, so my hopes aren't high.
>>156136805They really wanted the audience to hate MJ, and diminish her as much as possible. Spencer's run screwed that up for them, and when they brought in Zeb Wells to "correct" things, the idiot flew far too close to the sun. People who were willing to tolerate the shit that Slott did under the assumption that things would be fixed "eventually" thought they finally had it under Spencer, and then Marvel pulled the rug out from under them and basically knifed them all in their collective back with Paul. That's why a now twenty year old story is getting pulled now, when everyone seemed to be entirely willing to finally let it slide when Spencer's run happened. They ruined their own attempt at a compromise option, now it's death to OMD, and marriage or bust as far as the readership is concerned.
>>156136859Wacker was still editing for them at the time.
>>156136918That's my point, he should have neutered the worst excesses of Slott at his worst trolling and sleezy moments.
>>156136706Not defending anything here, but Tony's obviously going to not be in jail *yet* given that he's in at least issue #2, and she doesn't have the symbiote anymore. She and Flash are the only two "anti-symbiote" holders we know of at this point, so they have something in common.
>>156136940He should've, yeah. Now Slott is still getting into arguments over CBR as to whether or not Otto was attempting rape by deception on MJ. Much like with Paul, they're their own worst enemies.
>>156136963Still sloppy how Flash for whatever reason is the first person she wants to tell about her new production company.I get the out of universe reason is Peter will be the last issue, because we have to use things audience wants as treats not the basis of how we do stories, but it's sloppy. Nothing about the preview is giving me hope, and that art is manface city.>>156136966He really just needs to throw in the towel and admit he fucked up here like he did with Silk. I would respect him far more if he did that, and said please just ignore those kiss pages and skip to where Otto breaks up with her.It's odd how that's the straw that broke the camels back, it's so obviously fetishy but at least both parties were a victim to the circumstances he wrote.
>>156136963Tony getting a single issue in a placeholder miniseries isn't enough to form a long-lasting relationship. Especially since Marvel's hellbent on pairing him with Emma Frost, which is far more cancerous.>she doesn't have the symbiote anymoreIt's entirely possible that Eganrac/Fang doesn't qualify as a Symbiote and that it's immune to Anti-Venom. But we don't know for sure, and I'm not even surge if MJ needs Fang to stay alive anymore after Paul's retarded invention kills her. Either way, a single issue in a miniseries isn't enough to make her and Flash an item, especially since she's on record under Ewing saying that she doesn't see Flash that way regardless of how Flash might see her. Even Paul had to stick around for a *while* to make anything official, which was bad, because Paul was also boring as fuck.
>>156137038>Still sloppy how Flash for whatever reason is the first person she wants to tell about her new production company.I think she presumed Peter was too busy at the time with Cormac's inane bullshit to tell him about it first. And I mean, that definitely wasn't the right time to tell Peter about it.They're going to be in limbo for a while. MJ's going to be dealing with more mundane stuff, while Peter's going to get run ragged both in his own book and leading the New New Avengers simultaneously.
>>156137081It's probably a given that when Peter finds out about the Mephisto deal, he's going to tell MJ about it too. I say probably because Marvel likes to be retarded.
>>156137081That's a good damn reason anon, you should be writing this.Instead it's just not mentioned why.
>>156137097>peter finds out and doesn't feel worthy of MJ so keeps it to himself and moves onThis is just the kind of retarded thing nuPeter would pull under their pen.
>>156137038>Still sloppy how Flash for whatever reason is the first person she wants to tell about her new production company.Oh, I totally agree. After the controversy about their relationship and everything over the past year or two, he should NOT be the first appearance in the book. It's definitely sloppy.>>156137065>Tony getting a single issue in a placeholder miniseries isn't enough to form a long-lasting relationship.I don't think anything really romantic will happen in this whole mini, much less with Tony. I was just pointing out that he's not really going to be in jail yet. I also doubt that FNMJ is even going to address that Peter/Spider-Man is leading the Avengers.
>>156137099Presumably Ashley Allen really only knows the bare details, which is also why Felicia didn't tell MJ that Ben Reilly was running around and impersonating Peter in Black Cat. Because G Willow Wilson didn't have all the details either.
>>156137122>Oh, I totally agree. After the controversy about their relationship and everything over the past year or two, he should NOT be the first appearance in the book. It's definitely sloppy.It could be an opportunity to pull the plug on any MJ/Flash speculation definitively by just having MJ friendzone Flash hard at the end of issue 1.
>>156137140They really like to just let their female writers work on the radioactive with no guide don't they?
>>156137162That's the only explanation I have for whatever the Jackpot and Black Cat miniseries ended up being.
>>156137179Those pages with the kids are some of the most cynical things I've ever seen put to print, especially with how it turned out.Has Wilson worked on anything else? I put her in the same place as JMS for Sins Past being put in an impossible position to write for because Spoffice has many decades of stupid evil to its name.
>>156136101Superboy Prime is a massive fanboy of Peter (implied to be his #2 behind Supes) and would rape the Spider-Man editorial team.
>>156137140>which is also why Felicia didn't tell MJ that Ben Reilly was running around and impersonating Peter in Black Cat.I've pretty much assumed that everything in Black Cat #1-10 happened before Felicia even talked to Ben. It's not like it's a long storyline, she mentions it's been a long week when she sleeps with Chandra, and VenoMJ's cameo doesn't look like it's anything more than a day (without the whole Siege Perilous thing).>>156137158>It could be an opportunity to pull the plug on any MJ/Flash speculation definitively by just having MJ friendzone Flash hard at the end of issue 1.One would hope. But, I have a feeling they still want to draw the Flash drama out for... reasons. If anything, just to keep MJ away from Peter for a little longer. They're running out of reasons to keep Peter and MJ apart outside of just outright having her say she doesn't love him anymore, he's moved on to Raelith, or he can't fathom dating anyone at all because of what's going on in his life.
>>156137288What you have to understand is Nick seems to think the point of Superhero romance is about getting the most kisses.
>>156137206>Has Wilson worked on anything else?She was the main Ms. Marvel writer, has a 50 issue Poison Ivy series over at DC, and is soon writing the Captain Marvel ongoing. She's also a writer outside of comics. So, she's done a lot.She loves writing lesbians though, despite being a converted Muslim. I think Marvel really just wanted her to write representation for Felicia, not muck things up in anything actually going on with Spider-Man. Felicia's so far gone from being a romantic interest for Peter with everything going on, that it makes sense they pointed her in a new direction.
>>156137288>But, I have a feeling they still want to draw the Flash drama out for... reasons.At best he's framed as a romantic false lead. But they're not going to try for a Paul 2.0 so soon after all the havoc Paul caused them.
>>156137340These guys know to cool it with the false leads and the usual bad romance cliches when things have run aground right?You don't just bring in a more milquetoast replacement and start the cycle anew right after the last one went caput?Just offer Tobin any money to come in and fix this shit in a few pages. I would give my pinkies for a Tobin ASM run.
>>156121237I don't understand what they are even teasing with this
>>156137340I've said this in multiple Spider-threads and other places online, but I'm still not certain that writers/editorial/Marvel get what made Paul so unpopular. That it's just character design or aversion to someone "new." What I think is happening is that certain people are saying "oh, Flash has become popular with the fanbase over the years, so they won't reject this relationship like they did Paul, because there's history!"Meanwhile, they miss that Peter bending over backwards to tell MJ how much her new boyfriend is better than he ever could be, while she continues to make him sad, is the problem.
>>156137487They are hollow shells of their former selves.
>>156137487They honestly believe that Peter being a pathetic loser without any confidence or self-esteem is what the fans want to read.
>>156137684That's not what made him popular though, compare him at his comic books height to now.
>>156137487Nah, they know why Paul was so hated, they're just trying the good old 'enrage to engage' tactic again with Flash. It won't work, of course, but that's their modus operandi.
>>156137694Obviously, but these clowns don't understand Spider-Man at all.
>>156123995What the fuck, Matt is cucking Rhodey?
Bros, I just had a dream where I was looking at an X-Men group drawing and someone was saying "this is a rare piece of early concept art where Wolverine has *three* claws on each hand". It blew me away, then I woke up just now and went "hang on a minute..."
>>156137340Did sales actually drop or was it just people complaining online?
>>156140334It's so hard to determine now because unless they boast the sales numbers themselves, as Absolute is so happy to do, we're all just looking at reeds and tea leaves at a very small sample size of comic shops.What we do know for a fact is White said having Paul in your comic decreases sales. In every comic he was in that wasn't carried by the ASM spiderdrones, it crashed and burned. God knows why you keep something like that twice as long as CS, but we're working on Lowe logic.
>>156137340>inb4 Tony Revolori self announcement to distance himself away from Paul Rabin like what Eman Esfandi did.
How can Paul be a vegan and have a famous "chicken korma" the more I read about this guy the funnier it gets. It reads like a parody of millenial manbun hipsters but its apparently played straight. Was he a self insert of someone?
>>156140993The Wells run is bitter divorced man energy, the run. With characters as expies for his issues.You know add that recent comment by Chip abou that no fictional relationship lasts, the recent JMS comic about how true love is bullshit and they have wandering eyes and Wells. There is a general anti-romance hegemony in Marvel that permeates.Then compare that to DC.
>>156136683They can put MJ and Peter together and then just break up again
>>156141388Wells really broke the covenant of trust between audience and creator.
>>156141399Oh grow the fuck up already
>>156141418Hey Wells, how's the divorce?
>>156141418How'd that mystery box go bud?Everyone liked it?
Does anyone actually want current MJ and current Peter to be together? You can't unsuck 2 decades worth of cocks.
>>156141798Compare the ratings for digital Spider-Man comics that are less vs more than 20 years old then ask again.
>>156120591>Chip ZdarskyHe was a hero, we just couldn't see it...
>>156141399Best and worst thing zeb wells has done in my opinion
>>156141877That means the characters from 20+ years ago. Not the current iterations. This is a stale point. The marriage is not going to make the book better if you keep the same hacks in charge.
>>156142602You sound conflicted..
>>156141905Joe Quesada has marked him for death.
>>156144070Joe has to watch his dad die a second time...
It's kind of funny how Joe's attempt at starting an independent comic book company, Mad Cave or whatever way out in Idaho, fizzled out before anything could even happen.
>>156144405I can't find anything on Amazing Comics imploding. Did it fizzle out or is it still nebulously chugging along?
>>156144669We know absolutely nothing about it aside from the initial announcement, two years later.
>>156144711Kek.
>>156144711That's kind of what happens when your creative output boils down to Daredevil: Father and One More Day
>>156120591I won't be purchasing any comics until Peter and Mary Jane are having remarried, but thankfully since this isn't a fakeout to trick people into reading that shouldn't be a problem for them because it should only take at most one issue for that to happen. Right?
>>156145193It's going to be a slow burn, and it'll probably be better for you to wait.
>>156145304>>156145193They're definitely not going to poof them back together in one issue. It'll be closer to six months (i.e. six issues) which is around the time whatever 1 Day is will be happening. I'd love to follow along with the reconciliation process, if that's what's happening. But I don't know for sure if that's where they're going, is the problem. It's been twenty years and it's still very hard to trust them.
I genuinely like how the Avengers is just a stealth Spider-Man book with a supporting cast. Yeah, Peter Parker's he's your biggest draw. Start treating him like it. Make him the leader instead of a sidekick.
So, uh, what happens to Peter and MJ's baby now that got retconned away?
>>156146150They'll have to make them again the long way around.
>>156146150>>156146163The plan is obviously having them adopt nu-Ultimate Mayday. She still has the black suit.
Zdarsky has an AMA on LoCG right now
>>156146467https://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/community/thread/74191946Not until November 5th, it looks like, but I'll keep an eye on it
>>156146505You better ask your questions now or else he won't get to them
>>156146559All I want to ask about is Peter, MJ, and Mephisto and I already know I won't get a straight answer on those.
>>156146567He already answered it>What do you think of ONE MORE DAY?>I thought it was a beautiful story, beautifully illustrated! Why?
>>156146588If he’s too mean, he’ll end up Nick Spencer’d.
Nothing is going to be addressed, it will be alluded to.Kelly isn't getting to it meaningfully among his dozen other spaghetti plots, especially when he's a BND true believer.There will be no true movement until mid next year.
>>156123995Another review has hit the tow- I mean LoCG>https://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/profile/tumblar/reviews/24525770/avengers-1>Villain is apparently X-Book relatedACCKKKKK
>>156120591Lmao, this >>156120615. It's Marvel. Everything can always get worse. The current state of the setting is basically Ruins but with a shinier coat of paint.
IT ALL RETURNSTO NOTHING
>>156147832>What I didn't care for about this is that it had too much Spidey. We get enough of him in other books and his own title. I didn't know this was going to be a Spider-Man centered Avengers story.OMD is finally dead, and Mephisto’s going with it.
We have BND apologist, marriage and love is boring Chip on one hand and BND maker and MJ with Rabin, Gwen was the true love Kelly on the other.Don't go at that football Charlie.
>>156147832I think it's Belasco, that motherfucker would 100% use the opportunity with no Mephisto around and less demons in Hell to launch an attack
>>156148090We have a loss in a decades long Market Share lead, and regardless of what happens to Peter and MJ, OMD has indeed Ben killed.
>>156147832>What I didn't care for about this is that it had too much Spidey. We get enough of him in other books and his own title. I didn't know this was going to be a Spider-Man centered Avengers story. Of course, he'll get the most focus. Armageddon made it clear that Spider-Man is the main guy.
>>156148498This panel alone is why people are talking about this.What else is there? Literal Who man, Carol is depowered and sad whilst everyone wears badly fitting denim.
>>156148564I’m fairly sure that Zdarsky will try to get Miracle Man over by being the one to kill Mephisto.
>>156148677Not very impressed by Peter and MJ needing to be hard carried by a newly introduced third party.This should be their journey of introspection, reflection, conflict and final resolution. Instead we're in typical Event Slop hell dangling things people want to actually see again.
>>156148726The easy part is dealing with a weakened Mephisto. The hard part is the fallout.
>>156148726>he's still at itExplain in detail how would DeFalco's May Parker crawl out of ASM #418 Norman and how would the sacrificed OMD baby crawl out of hell to address the Mephistowank properly assuming that MJ that has Fang joins the Avengers arc that has Spider-Man in it. Admit that the entire Spider-Man mythos should be in a public domain IPs if you cannot.
>>156148841What the hell are you talking about? I'm just saying fix this through some character agency from MJ and Peter, perhaps even Aunt May discovers the secret to her longevity and bizarre benjamin button syndrome, and on her own volition ends the deal - the agency that was denied her in OMD.Making them just the lucky beneficiaries of other peoples plots surrounding them is just a limp and weak way to resolve the most infamous decision of two decades.
>>156148944>infamous decisionOMD shit hasn't reached Sacha Noam Baron Cohen's ears. Paul Rabin shit that Wells invented much later has reached Eman Esfandi's ears in comparison. Mepgistowank was already addressed by a third party >>156141399
>>156149083Someone needs to.
>>156150947Goebble didn't die for this shit. Kys.
>>156148726I don't care who finishes off Mephisto but it's either going to be Miracle Man or Peter with the fancy sword, fulfilling whatever prophecy Spencer had in mind
>>156146163https://youtu.be/DmkXUd5qbuA
>>156145193>I won't be purchasing any comics until Peter and Mary Jane are having remarriedWe’ll see you next Wednesday as usual, buddy.
>>156152954NTA but discussing the comics on 4chan isn't the same as buying them.
>>156153206I don't think Brevoortanon understands that you can have everyone on the internet be discussing your thing, and still not make a cent from it.
>>156153225It’s almost like anger just leads to piracy.
>>156127393that is a Editorial's problem, not the reader.
>>156128007>Johnny StormThe least favorite FF caracter.>IcemanC tier caracter>PsylockeThhe least liked Psylocke (everyone just want the ninja one)>Kitty PrydeOvershadow even if the writer is a fan of her.>MorphD level caracter>Black CatOnly Bi when self-insert caracters are around.
Apparently in the new avengers run peter learns he made the deal
GAH DAMMIT
>>156156257>Deal is undone and also le all of them?>Piccolo inquires as do I.>But not the fact that he forgot about itFUCKING BULLSHIT. Uh...?! All means all numbskull. >Zdarsky le reveals that part wasn't part of the deal>Insert large arc that takes place across Avengers and ASM where the ultimate result is undoing the reality warping and history altering that OMD did as that part wasn't a deal per seOnly reality where I'm not mad is if this happens. But in my ideal world, I would only undo it after like 6 issues and then literally the entire 616 gets rebooted to start back at where it was when it happened.
Hey, spiderman reader in the 80s and 90s here. I dont like this whole storyline where peter is getting into a serious relationship with MJ. His first relationship was with betty brant, and he should never move past that and be stuck on it forever. Thirty years, at least.
>>156156257So who is the girl? mayday?
>>156156482M.night shymalan ass twist I kinda want that
>>156120591Never underestimate Spidey editorial's ability to say "nuh uh" and ignore shit they don't like to spite fans.
>>156122501Jameson learning Peter's identity and becoming his ally has lasted far longer than I expected it to.
>>156156648Too bad it's being done away withHe's back to being anti Spidey again
>>156156657when did this happen?I haven't been paying attention to Marvel happenings for a while now since I fully gave up on anything good ever happening again mid-Paul shit
>>156156709It's gonna be the next arc of asm presumably due to peter reforming the avengers after ArmageddonBut don't worry peters ol pal Norman osborn is still in peters corner
>>156156257Bros....
>>156156257>>156156267>I've got keys that jingle jangle (jingle jangle)
>>156156876I mean this is a huge step irregardlessly of if they get remarried. Peter finding out he made a deal at all is huge
>>156156879They're not going to get remarried. Even Zdarsky said it's only a partial thing. It's not actually being undone, just addressed in some small part. The can is being kicked down the road.Peter won't know what happened in totality nor the severity so more nothing ever happening.
>>156146567Answer is already out but you're a stupid zealot.
>>156156929It's still a big Steph. It's jangling keys but it's keys being jangled by a person putting on a jacket
>>156156257>>156156267>Girls name is PaigePaige parker huh?
>>156156257>Looks like a cross between peter and MJ>Parents made a deal with mephisto and he wants to specifically kill herOh yeah it's all coming togetherThis time for sure
>>156157015They won't reveal that she's his daughter until after they have sex. This is Chip's Oldboy.
>>156157122>mother/daughter threesomes with Peter, MJ, and PaigeNoice.
>>156156765Doesn't JJJ turn against him in ASM 1004 or something? What the fuck is gonna happen with Cormac, then?
>>156120615It really seems that way since they're missing the point for why OMD made people mad. Undoing the contract means squat since Peter wasn't the one to correct that mistake, and the status quo before the deal was made isn't restored right now.
>>156157122WTF chud zardoz is based?
>>156157310They're not missing the point, they're just dragging their feet on the issue because Marvel is full of inbred retards who think OMD was the best thing to ever happen in Marvel Comics history.
>>156157310Peter now knows at least and he and MJ can undo it together
>>156157294Cormac probably erases Jonah’s memories to fuck with Peter.
>>156157294Same thing that happened to hell gate
>they get their memories back>but somehow all the matrimony, promises made and love not>we're just too different people now...It would definitely be an acknowledgment that the characters have fucking disintegrated, if they go the it's our ball fuck you we addressed it fuck you route.
>>156157310Peter’s going to resolve this by bearing the living shit out of Mephisto. The big red faggot might end up dead after this.
The kind of people who are jangling the keys now are the kind of people who thought OMD had good intentions, if bad execution.The marriage isn't coming back and real repair isn't going to be done until BND is entirely fucking gone, this is a generation of WIFE BAD mentality.
>>156157391But Anon divorce is too hard to explain to little Timmy it's much easier to say the hero made a deal with the devil
it will be undone in the most disappointing and infuriatingly anti-climatic way possible And your probably gonna have to accept that for the next 20 or so years
>>156157410To save his elderly aunt who already accepted that her time had come by the way.
>>156157416At least it’s shitcanned. At this point I don’t even care how. Tear off the fucking bandaid.I can’t say what will or won’t happen after this, but this is still a necessary thing for jack shit to happen at all.
>>156157416People need to accept until there has been more slow, torturous and annoying time waiting for turnover of staff, we're not going to get the philosophy change needed that actually fixes shit.We're decades into MUH GWOO land.
>>156157373“I’m pretty sure that mj loved you”We’re going with brand new day forma de movie synergy
>>156157430And the universes equivalent/expy of God said buddy her time has come and heaven is waiting for her, go be a family man like she wants.
>>156156257>peter has to protect the girl who looks like the daughter he never had against the devil Chip is a funny man he should definitely add a ultimatum that he can only save one of their lives
Is Chip still carrying water for his retarded co-workers?
>>156157360Great, just what we all wanted, more nothing.
>>156157610They all are.It's a tiny niche industry of extremely sensitive artists and egos.You can't even say a deal with the devil is a bad idea for Spider-Man in a plain spoken way, unless you're on the oust already.Whatever happens, I'm on my cloud with JMD where they have been married for years with denouement, and none of this bad literal licensed fanfiction matters.
>>156157565>The only way he can save both is by selling Norman's sinless self to mephisto
>>156123897Joe hated the marriage. And he’s gone. I assume they realize this is the only apology they can give for Paul and the are allowed to now.
>>156157659Could you imagine if Spencer had actually undone omd
>>156157294>>156157358Paul is the walking embodiment of the cosmic cuckoldry and misery since OMDCormac is the walking embodiment of the forever returning amnesia plotline.The cliches are getting sentience and walking around.
>>156120591>What this means for the Amazing Spider-Man book, or Peter’s relationship with MJabsolutely nothing. The deal might be void or whatever but so much shit has happened since then, Marvel won't even need a retcon to say that neither Peter nor MJ want to marry, re-marry, or whatever the fuck they can do now.We've reached a point where Marvel doesn't give a fuck.
>>156157713An apology would be Deadpool apologising on behalf of the office before Cosmic Cubing the past to make Rabin a eunuch. Or at least as fake as the kids.This is just Lucy planning to zag promising to zig, as usual.
They've spent 20 years doing this shitty fucking gimmick that everybody fucking hates. How long can Marvel keep at this shit before it fucking implodes? Fuck's sake.
>>156157737They have reached I point I don't either.The characters I would actually pay to follow haven't been allowed to exist in 616 for two/thirds of my life. I grew up with the marriage, this single shit has always been at best dull and missing a heart, at worst it's Slott and Wells throwing salt avoiding my sale.
>>156157725Maybe something good would happen occasionally instead of never.
>>156157737>We've reached a point where Marvel doesn't give a fuck.No, they definitely give a fuck, especially since DC's taking a lot of their marketshare.
>>156157765I love how we have such little expectations and standards that retconning a deal with the devil is considered progress, like we have to negotiate and behave for Santa for this very special treat of not being insane.
>>156157792But isn't midnight the absolute killer
>>156156257>>156156267>just going all inThis is farther than Spencer was ever allowed to get.
>>156157809It's sold well because all first issues like that will sell well, we need to see how it's selling come issue 10 and Halloween is long over.
>>156157811Chip's allowed to go this far because Marvel already knows he won't do anything to actually address OMD and Peter and MJ's relationship other than saying that it's been undone. It'll lead to Peter and MJ dating again at best.
>>156157809Do we have sales estimates for Midnight?
>>156120591They'll never commit as long as Spider-man editorial exists.
>>156157833IRS one less obstacle for the two of rhem though. Maybe the biggest obstacle.
>>156157838This version of it, it's absurd how much of a death grip this current iteration has had.
>>156157900They literally nuked Spencer’s run when things got this far, my guess is daddy Disney scared the fuck out of them.
>>156120750Make Paul faking his death and retiring to sunny Acapulco canon.
>>156157940>explain to us in bullet-points what you've been up to for the past decade>... how in the fuck do we even adapt that
>>156157940>Issue 1000 if amazing spider-man was only fucking third for the month? Issue 1k?
>>156157940You're acting like this isn't Marvel just throwing the fanbase a bone by letting Chip indirectly undo OMD. They're probably gonna end up not doing anything with it, let's be honest.
>>156157941Paul’s a hero for sucking so badly that he dragged Mephisto down with him, it’s just proof that accelerationism works.
>>156156257>everyone is hooping and hollering>when the OMD deal isn't even undone>mephisto is just out to kill may instead of bringing the marriage and aborted daughter back
>>156157940The name of the new movie simply exposed the awfulness of OMD and BND to a whole new audience
>>156158112It's wild reading those first few issues of BND and the movie, how they handle the tone and emotion.And Peter barely had a romance with Michelle, as compare to comic Peter starting their run with making out and a celebratory party, like the BND boys were doing a meta thing finally getting their way when the dust hadn't settled. Talk about reading a room. Just frathouse shit.
>>156158043Paul faking his death would be funny as fuck because it means he gets a happy ending and Peter and MJ are stuck dealing with superhero bullshit forever.
>>156158160Paul died for Peter’s sins. And his own sins, including the genocide.Maybe Paul and Mephisto can both retire to Acupolco together! Just never be seen again!
Asking for pre-omd Peter/mj is like asking for the world to go back to the pre 9/11 days just not gonna happen
>>156158373Something like Ultimate Peter and MJ, or RYV Peter and MJ, is acceptable.
>>156146150It's funny to me that based on OMD and OMIT, every story between Peter and MJ's marriage and Civil War is supposed to be have happened identically as before except they weren't married and Peter wore a condom. That's the only other thing that changed
>>156158500What about the Clone Saga with Mayday?
>>156156482Wouldn't Mayday be like 8 years old?
>>156136231seriously. It was bad enough that they gave Peter a super-cool secret agent sister that we never knew about. Now this bullshit. My only solace is that, much like >>156136101, I too am no longer even invested in this shit.Still bothersome to see them sink even lower though
>>156158510That's what I mean, MJ apparently never got pregnant because she decided that shouldn't have kids unless they got married.
>>156158521It's magic, we ain't gotta explain shit.
>>156157015You people realy don't think ahead? so what happens once they do find out they were once married do you really think they get back togeher and remarry wrong they wll them seprate or just plain divcored.
>>156157015>Oh yeah it's all coming together>This time for sureAnd then comes the divorce and what does peter have after that? Nothing that's what
>>156158671Return to your thread >>156158316
>>156121081Probably not, him and Zarathos are a willing partnership now, it got cemented even more during Spirits of Vengeance/Violence, and the last deal Johnny made with Mephisto in Final Vengeance is that he and Zarathos belong to each other but will do things for Mephisto if he calls upon them. But Roxanne’s father Crash and a bunch of others like Linda Littletrees are probably free from their deals, Dan is screwed though he made a deal with Marduk or Lucifer
>>156158764You idiots never though what would happen did you and that's where you made your mistake. rectons don't make things better they make them worse. And yes they WILL keep peter and MJ separate for they do hate MJ still given she is whore and cheater I am glad they are going to keep them apart
>>156158764
>>156158842>he and Zarathos belong to each other
>>156157565>>156156257I guess it kind of does look like Mayday
>>156158865Maybe Mephisto wins in the end after raping Dylan Brock. If he rapes Dylan Brock, he could still win. It’s possible.
>>156158897It’d be terrible if Mephisto raped Dylan. He’d win for sure. I don’t Mephisto would though.
>>156158889Yeah good question why is is it so bad maybe it's because a cheater like MJ around they should gotten rid of her long ago.
>>156158897>>156158914Paul should've just let S.C.A.R. take Dylan away to experience the bastard offspring of Area 51 and Gitmo.
The proper way to enjoy Spider-Man is read to everything until Clone Saga, stop, and read from the beginning until you die.
>>156158897>Maybe Mephisto wins in the end after raping Dylan Brock. If he rapes Dylan Brock, he could still win. It’s possible.Seriously and mind you this is no shipost you can be damn sure they WILL keep peter and MJ separate and then will revive Gwen to make Peter happy. You MJ fans are going to have to live with that for the rest of your lives for we all know that's coming,
>>156158921You’re really upset that Pne More Day is shitcanned aren’t you? I love when you’re in pain. Gwen is dead, Mephisto has been raped.
>>156158969>then will revive GwenThis is schizo shit.
>>156158969>Gwenschizo now thinks Mephisto should rape Dylan Brockwtf how would raping Dylan help Mephisto in the slightest that’s so retarded.
>>156130918>Johnny and Zarathos belong to each other since final vengeance >Dan is dead >Daken stole his demon from Mephisto >Badilino and Zala choose to stay bonded>Kowalski is dead>Kushala isn’t involved with Mephisto >and who the fuck knows with Robbie
>>156158970>You’re really upset that Pne More Day is shitcanned aren’t you?You still lose they will keep peter and MJ separate and then later revive Gwen.
>>156158979Dylan should be raped by the biggest, beefiest and most well-hung men S.C.A.R. can find. And they should all wear rubber Paul masks while they're doing it.
>>156158978if they keep peter and MJ apart then what the hell is thet point of keeping MJ around and What about peter is he forever to be lone person? his last chance of happiness is with Gwen so yeah bring her back I say.
>>156159048I think Mephisto should bring back Gwen but make her fat and retarded as part of his revenge.
>>156156999Paige Turner
>>156159128She either get brought back or peter remains a unmarried person for good this his last chance.
>>156159128You MJ fans a truly dumb and you need to go
I take it this make you MJ fans happy. you can't escape from this ever.
>I fucked her real good Yeah Paul is dead but it does not matter for in some form he will always be back to bite you in the ass.
>>156158741>>156158671Do polish people not have sarcasm or is it pedophiles that don't have sarcasm
>>156159308You are going to cry real hard once they do bring back Gwen and you WILL cry make no mistake about that.
>>156159164Yes but as someone fat and retarded.
>>156159405fat and retarded Mary Jane sounds great to me
>>156159379Mephisto was planning to revive Gwen in OMD but then Tom Brevoort said NO and guess what anon Tom is still in Marvel and he’s still in charge of the X-Men if Gwen ever comes back then he’s shutting down the X-Men for GOOD
>>156159423Well yeah, because you’re fat and retarded of course you love it haha.
>>156159445Look I am not joking i really do think they will keep them apart even once they do find out they were once married. they simply don't work as couple anymore. Gwen being brough back with peter really is pete's last chance at happiness.
>>156159535>MUH GWEN......is dead and never coming back!
>>156159549oh they will her back I am sure of it now.
>>156159535Sorry but I don’t care about Spider-Man I only care about the X-Men so if Gwen has to stay dead to keep the X-Men a success then that’s how it should be.
>>156159583Annoy X-Men fans enough and you will have a fucking flame war.
>>156159593Oh Paul.
>>156159566Nope, she's dead forever.
OMD was awful. Beyond awful. It remains to me the worst comic book story featuring a top character published in my lifetime.That said, there is no way Marvel will ever move forward with a married Peter Parker again. It makes for fun fan talk and speculation. But if they wanted to undo OMD or restore the marriage, they've had ample opportunity to do so. They're not going to change course now.
>>156159703No she will be brought since it is the only course of action left for them to do,
>>156159730Nope, they already have Spider-Gwen. Old Gwen is no longer required.
>>156159766Yes she is.
>>156159766I love Spider-Gwen she’s much better than Old Gwen that’s why they replaced her to get rid of Sins Past.
>>156159864Hey if you love Spider-Gwen so much you can keep her I only care about OG Gwen.
>>156159885The OG Gwen is going to come back fat and retarded because of Mephisto this will be his revenge for them undoing OMD.
>>156159904cool
>>156159912Think about this Zdarsky on record stating that he thinks OMD was a good story, and that he has no plans to bring Peter and MJ back together.You win some, you lose some asnd once they do bring back OG Gwen then you will lose completely.
The writer said OMD was part of this new series, but not how people are expecting. I didnt understand at the time what he meant by that, but it is clear now.OMD will be one of the topic, but not the marriage. This random woman knows peter made a deal and he did to save may, but she doesnt mention what he traded to?! So it is clear, they will work on the idea that peter made a deal with the devil but not that he gave his marriage for it
>>156159946He won’t bring back Peter and MJ immediately but he already ended OMD. It’s gone forever, and that means they’ll be coming back together eventually. But Gwen isn’t coming back and OMD isn’t coming back, because the MJ fans wanted this far more than the Gwen Stacy fans.
>>156159787Not really, no. Her death was inevitable.
Peter KNOWS but "MJ could never know. I can't tell her. With great powers comes great responsibility." -Peter.
Gwenschizo’s favorite story, OMD, is DEAD and now Mephisto his favorite character is going to get RAPED by Miracle Man!
>>156159994No it's not Peter does not know that it was his marriage he traded to mephisto for his aunt life.
>>156160026The story is not over peter does not know he gave up his marriagre to save his aunt life and maybe he never will you have won NOTHING.
>>156160015It will be on par with Peter not telling Aunt May despite having every single in-universe reason to, so yeah distinct possibility. Our protagonist is not allowed to have more than two brain cells otherwise the plots don't work.
>>156159709I believe they will in time, but not until a whole generational change has occurred that finally cracks the current philosophical hegemony. So we are talking decade/s.
>>156159308Pedophiles are autistic, that's why they're all obsessed with Gwen Stacy.
>>156160057>>156160086The story is over. Mephisto lost, and your favorite story OMD has been trashed by CHIP ZDARSKY.
>>156160191Look honestly if are going to keep peter and MJ apart i rather they did bring back Gwen.
>>156160216learn to reasd to dumbass he does not know not he sold his marrige to mephisto.
>>156160256He’ll find out soon and then Mephisto is fucked buddy he already lost to Dr. Doom at his strongest, now he’s even weaker and has to fight MIRACLE MAN.
>>156160256By the way this also means that Norman Osborn’s deal with Mephisto is gone so Norman gets Harry back and Peter gets MJ back and Gwen gets NOTHING yet again haha yes good.
>>156160280That's not the plan and you know nothing has been fixed anon.
>>156160299>Peter gets MJ back >You were such a whore with Paul but why I should care -Peter.
>>156160239Mephisto agrees to revive Gwen, but only if Gwen agrees to look like Mephisto and be raped by Miracle Man every day until she dies.
>>156160342She will take that deal because Mephisto made her fat and retarded.
>>156160300>>156160321Obviously Mephisto brainwashed her to be with Paul uh oh looks like no more Mephisto means no more Paul…
>>156160342They will bring her back,
>>156160373bull.
>>156160415No it’s true anon Paul is already dead and now Mephisto loses everything and OMD goes byebye less than a year later face it Mephisto is nothing without Paul.
>>156160397…but only as a fat retard!
>>156156257>her name is Paige >her parents sold her soul to Mephisto
>>156160485>she resembles both MJ and PeterHehehe the implications
>>156160485>>156160550ONCE AGAIN DOOM SAVES THE DAY… FOR PETER AT LEAST!
>>156160373Even though the chains text is right there just as it was for Marcus in Avengers #200, they will never bring up or address the fact MJ was mentally manipulated into a loveless relationship for years. If backed into a corner they will just deny or soft retcon the line, but nothing else, because they want the outrage but not the consequences of an actual story.
>>156160591>"If no one else has got you, then I do." - Doom
>>156120750Is having bald-faced contempt for the readers a requirement to be an editor at Marvel? Like do they list it in the job description or something? "Duties include: making our entire reader base understand that they are unwelcome at all times."
>>156121237>ONE MORE DAY BEFORE I GET KICKED TO COMMIEFORNIA>ONE DAY LEFT BEFORE I GET KICKED TO COMMIEFORNIA>BRAND NEW DAY IN COMMIEFORNIA
>spider-man in a competent leadership role, not a manchild shat on by everyoneThank you tom holland.
>>156120591I can't believe it's really dead...
>>156164008Posts like this are flaseflags for later faggy anons to go "SEE? KEK YOU FAGS REALLY THOUGHT OMD WOULD BE UNDONE?! KWABOTD!!!!"Raped behavior. Spider-Man has been ground to dust and schizos just like to enjoy running it into the ground further.
>>156135925>Aunt May will die
>>156164309what she drinkin
>>156160005.....nnahhhh it was at least a little evitable..
>>156120591ok but the comics are shit not because of a specific plot point but the writing in general, shitty art direction, editorial, decompression, trade writing, events, etc
>>156120615>This is Marvel we're talking about though, if they want to somehow reinstate the deal then they'll find a way.They're gonna character assassinate Peter by making him a crazed stalker until he learns his lesson and leaves her be.Screenshot this.
>>156165829Agreed on all counts, but at least it's a big dead canary for actual change on the horizon, if the most sacred of editorials cows are killed.I doubt it. Lowe is still in charge and Wacker is BND alumni. The letter of the law will change but not the spirit.
>>156121127That means shit, and even Victor know it is.He will advocate for a CRISIS event to fix the damn thing because 616 is unsalvageable.Don't be surprised if he is spying Darkseid and Braniac RN after the special now that the source wall of marvel separating DC is canon.
>>156165941>Don't be surprised if he is spying Darkseid and Braniac RN after the special now that the source wall of marvel separating DC is canon.I'm headcanoning Prime smashing through it and coming full circle
>>156128119DC and Image Skybound truly has better editors than Marshit
>>156165975Marvel is simply too addicted to having teams which then tempts them to have these massive doodoofard events and I say that as someone who is keenly aware of just how bad Crisis Events are usually.
>>156136259>No, the deal is indeed goneThat's not what retcon means. If it had been retconned, there would have been some kind of change to make it such that the deal had never happened in the first place, what we have gotten is an extremely nebulous new plot point about previous deals with Mephisto being nullified, the results of which for the OMD deal going kaput we still have no idea of. Most likely it will be handwaved in some retarded way and the actual result will be some shit like "now Aunt May can actually die where before Mephisto was magically protecting her" and MAYBE Peter/MJ get back the memory that they were married in an alternate timeline that no longer exists, but decide "well, we're actually different people now than we were in that reality so we're just gonna stay how we are for now" so Marvel can keep stringing fans along for another 10+ years of pretending maybe if they're good goys who keep buying the dogshit comics every month something good might eventually happen.
>>156166733They're basically so mindbroken that they're gonna use this to forever shut down any future convention questions that mention any OMD stuff. "SEE? WE ALREADY LE DID IT!" Sorry editorial niggers, me and everyone else are out for fucking everything. We're hitting your jugular. Your entire business is at the whims of fan perception and total KNEELING is what we want. Issue 545, all the way back to that. Everything Slott has ever written? Invalidated and forgotten. His record? Meaningless. Lowe's tenure? Erased. Brevoort's manifesto? Completely BTFO.
>>156167040You cant undo printed and sold comics. 616 is forever tainted. The real canon spiderman sold his own kids to satan. End of story.
>>156167061Nope, Marvel could literally print in the coming months issue 545 again but have different art and a cover and have it retcon all of OMD. I know this concept breaks your brain, but then again, children and sex with them also does that to you. Also, by your logic, Gwen would forever be a whore due to the BGC from Norman making her orgasm over and over and her fathering his kids.
Paige exists because of a deal her parents made with Mephisto, she'll probably convince Peter to keep OMD and that's how editorial wins.
>>156167130>Also, by your logic, Gwen would forever be a whore due to the BGC from Norman making her orgasm over and over and her fathering his kids.That comic also cant be unprinted.
>>156167261No, but it was already retconned so that it was actually Mysterio whose back Norman was blowing out
>>156167205He’s just going to keep Paige alive while giving Mephisto nothing. Killing Mephisto solves all these complicated questions.This whole thing is Mephisto being stuck in a self-fulfilling prophecy about his eventual death.
>>156167061616 writers and editorial simply could not ley Aunt May go, a manifestation of his guilt. Now his children, sacrificed to hell are a manifestation of his failure.>Sacrificing your children is a noble act.
>>156167205I'm fine with killing this dumb bitch if it means getting the marriage, Mayday and the second daughter back
>>156159991They're going to have her propose to him and then the marriage is revealed through MJ filing for a divorce over Peter's "affair" with Paige
Okay I have it the solution to fix things al least most things.Doom and Spider-Man finally get their hands on mephisto and then.>Okay the two of you win damn you Spider-man the deal was for you marriage with your woman Mary Jane.>I am also the cause of the death of your first love Gwen Stacy yeah she died beacuse of me since by norman making a deal with me lead to him eventually becoming the Green Goblin.Doom step in and says.>You are to use your power right now and restore the memories of Spider-Man marriage and restore Gwen Stacy back to life Or I will simply kill you this instant for what you have done.Mephisto trembling with fear>D-DonePeter and Mary Jane get the memories back of their marriage and Gwen is restored back to life.Mephisto is now competely drained of all his powers he gets weaker and weaker and he simply dies.See almost perfect anons whether or not Peter and Mary Jane get back together, and then remarry that remains to be seen but at the very least this would fix some wrongs. Also this would bring up another matter now that Gwen is alive again what happens with her? new possibilities open for her.
>>156167205>Paige.>It's clearly an older 6160-esque Mayday.They sure are jangling, dangling those keys, aren't they?
>>156167921>Muh Gwoo.No one cares about Gwen.
>>156168039The appropriate response to jangly keys is the Spicy Doorknob
>>156168069I do and i want her back and honestly speaking i think that is the best solution just have Doom and Spider-Man team up and kick mephisto's butt and force him to make things right.
>>156167921>Okay I have it the solution>[a bunch of retarded ESL fanfic-tier rambling bullshit]No thanks, Pedro.
>>156168165And just why not? would this not make things right look shtiposting is always fun but seriously this HAS to end I say go for it and do it.
>>156168141>Muh GweeGwen's dead and she's never coming back.
>>156168297Enough is enough anon I am tired I want things to be set right. This would fix most things. Fucking do it marvel. Have Spider-Man team up and kick mephisto's butt and force him to make things right.
>>156168279>would this not make things rightNo, it wouldn't. First of all because it doesn't even make any god damned sense, and second because it's retarded.
>>156167921That would be perfect if Gwen decides to forgive Norman and marries him. It would complete the redemption arc that Norman has been on.
Can you all please stop talking to yourselves for one whole minute?
>>156167205Motherfucker thats just may
>>156167921I think Mephisto should bring Gwen back but she comes back fat and retarded as part of his revenge.
>>156168728Paige = Page Some villain is writing Peter's life now, if it's not Mephisto or Doom, I expect them to asspull another one that's as badly written as Cormac
>>156169399She’s apparently a reverse May. A childless couple really wanted a kid, so they made a pact with Mephisto.Maybe Mephisto gave them Peter and MJ’s kid. “WELL IT JUST SO HAPPENS I HAVE A BABY LYING AROUND.”
>>156169423I was just discussing the idea of Peter's life being scripted earlier in this thread. We're being ripped off in record time now.
>>156160550Its a red herring.
>>156157797Its too late now. Even if they brought back the marriage, we still wouldn't return to pre-Clone Saga level of quality.This shit was rigged since even before OMD.
>>156157294What is gonna happen with cormac is he sees peter sold his marriage to keep may alive and he gives up accepting that peter loves her more
>>156169532Marvel needs a Death Metal level reboot and fix
You're all being baited hard. The fact that this is happening outside of ASM should be your first clue. And lets say the deal is done and over with, how does that fix ASM?
>>156169936We’re not saying that something is guaranteed to happen. But OMD getting scanned is a necessary step towards getting anything to happen at all.
>>156169803So we need a Thanos-tier evil version of Peter who went insane from trying to prevent May's death, got it
>>156120591At this point would anyone believe them? They've regularly done this "THIS TIME OMD IS GONE I PROMISE!" bait and switch half a dozen times already. Hell anyone still buying capeshit is a masochist at this point.
>>156170174This is further than Spencer got. And they fucking fired Spencer the moment it looked like he was going to mess with editorial’s beloved OMD.
>>156170267That just prove that Marvel is desperate.
>>156170300Good. The last time they went BREAK GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY we got Ultimate Spider-Man for a while, so let’s see what an even more desperate Marvel gives us now.
>>156167261>>156167286Which comes back to the original point that OMD is being undone and someone could theoretically invalidate the last 500 issues and start back at 545 or even earlier.
>>156168576Norman is getting a Gwen of his that from another earth did you not read the latest issue of ASM it hinted that he and Spider-Gwen will have a affair. Thus OG being with norman is off the table
>>156170636Spider-Gwen is OG Gwen now that’s why she’s come over to 616 she’s the true and honest Gwen.
>>156168383lol blame marvel for this mess they are the ones who dragged mephisto into Gwen's death thus making him a part of the story. And you are wrong it would make some things right first of all peter and MJ would get back their memories so that would be something. Secondy if mephisto is the cause of Gwen's death then shoud he not be the one to bring her back. And just think what this would do for norman,>I am sorry i killed you Gwen I really am>Yes you did and I know but part of the blame goes to that creature Mephisto since he got you to the deal with him.see it does make things better he still has to deal with the fact he killed her but the real one responiable for her death is in fact Mephisto,
>>156170772That means Gwen can get together with Norman Osborn soon enough haha.
>>156170771No she is not and she never will.
>>156170787Yes she is through the power of Loki, the Cosmic Cube, and the TVA she merged with the original Gwen to become a brand new Gwen though this means the original is gone for good because Spider Gwen RECTON herself as the original.
>>156170784No he alerady has another Gwen. let the OG Gwen live her own life look she doesn't have to be with peter maybe given time she can put her life back together and find someone other then norman or peter
>>156170815Norman can only have one Gwen the real Gwen who is now Spider-Gwen the official Gwen of earth 616 forever. Sadly the original Gwen is a recton.
>>156170813have you never heard of time travel all one needs to go back before those changes toke place and prevent them from happening problem solved,
>>156170835Those times are no longer in place they were all recton.
>>156170832No Norman gets Spider-Gwen and the OG lives her own life. not a shitpost and don't fight me on this please this how things must be.
>>156170856Again time travel mate that's the solution
>>156170883>>156170902That was recton mate the past is gone. Go as far back as you like and the old Gwen won’t be there.
>>156170772Anon you're overthinking this, yes OMD was retarded and Marvel is retarded for insisting on keeping its status quo against fan wishes.But your poorly thought out ESL gibberish idea sounds retarded and bad like it was written by a 15 year old ESL retard. Your ideas are bad and you should feel bad.
>>156170936>Anon you're overthinking this, yes OMD was retarded and Marvel is retarded for insisting on keeping its status quo against fan wishes.>But your poorly thought out ESL gibberish idea sounds retarded and bad like it was written by a 15 year old ESL retard. Your ideas are bad and you should feel bad.Bad beacuse i want things to be set right now you listen and listen good. Since mephisto is the cause of Gwen's death he might as well be the one to bring her back and refuse to let that go ever untill that happens.
>>156171073Okay but what if he brings Gwen back as a fat retard would you still want her back when she’s like that
>>156171458Her death needs to be undone things need to be set right,
>>156171614Why do you want Marvel to turn your favorite character into a fat retard who's married to Norman Osborn? That's really weird.
>>156170935It's like the last japanese soldier fighting the war lost decades before.The Gwen of the original creators is dead. The Gwen of the original creators didn't even have a set personality, as she went through three different iterations trying to stand out against MJ. The Gwen of the original creators can't ever exist again because said creators are dead and were undecided what she was, so it will be an invention again just like alt-universe Gwen.It's only this fictions fiction angelic post-death character she became they want, only the moment she does come back she ceases to be an ideal.
Did Ghost Spider really inherit/absorb 616 Gwens soul or is that some fake bullshit as opposed to the typical silly comic book bullshit?
>>156171683it's bullshit anon 616 Gwen soul is still around.
>>156171764>Muh Gwen.She's dead and never coming back.
>>156171764I thought she showed up in Wells arc just to leave again, because Peter needs to get closure on Gwen ad infinitum even in his retirement home.
>>156171683That’s pretty much what happened, yeah. Earth-65 brought herself and her dad over to earth 616 by merging with the spirit of the original 616 Gwen.
>>156170317A literal anti-OMD would be making Peter a teen dad and having both Ben and May dead from the start
>>156172503Fuck it, lets do it. It can't be worse than Wells.
