Why DO more people hate Indie animation?
>>156157401It's a reaction to indie animation becoming as samey and repetitive as heckin wholesome beanmouth cartoons.
>>156157401
Spite gets more views than love
>>156157401>Artist of failed e-show about her stupid cat>WHY DID IT FAAILL?!?!!?
>>156157449shhh, I'm trying to start something for fun.
>>156157401Because indie animators are cringy nerds.And people just love ripping on cringy nerds.
>>156157401>why don't people like the gay owl buttsex bait & switch
>>156157401I like the funny snake artist, but I hate the hoity toityness of the post. Sometimes indie shows don't appeal to everyone, that's how it goes sometimes.
>>156157401If I cared about what twitter fags were doing I'd be on twitter, go ask them your insane questions you testicle tickler
>>156157401Indie animation is becoming homogeneous.
>>156157401I'm not on TwitterWho is this and why should I care?
>>156157844I don't see it they all look so different.
>>156157844>Indieface is when you smile
>Retarded indie bait thread #Whatever
>>156157401Because the only good indie is Space King
>>156157844This picture doesn't make any sense.
>>156157882>>156157963>>156158032>is retard
Because normies are starting to associate 'indie' with 'sad loser character cries about their feelings for half an hour'
>>156158018No
I hate fandom culture more desu
>>156157401The reaction isn't “we should figure out how to improve our shows and create new content that wider audiences uninterested in our norm would like” it’s “we should form a secret police whose gossip mill shall wreak havoc on any ‘animation fan’ not gulping down our slop uncritically”In my spare time I like to doodle for upcoming dinosaur projects after my military, car, and fantasy ones. Just like any normal boy I like dinosaurs. They don't consider creating dinosaur characters besides yet another sharktooth smile quirky pervert villain character. It’s easy to do better but they don't want to go back on Tumblr women hatred for the nature of boys
TADC has an unbelievably bland and boring storyline. Like holy shit you may as well just tell me outright at the beginning of the series that Kane is an AI that wants the human experience and blah blah YAAAWWWN
>>156158211Usually a smart person is able to explain a simple concept to a retard.
>>156158412A smart person knows better than to try, because a retard will make a concerted effort to not understand.I still don't know what the fuck "indieface" means though.
>>156157401People are finding out how most indie animation are the same and the creators having fragile egos
>>156158412even a dumb person, no, a dog can recognize demented smile with small pupils
>>156157401Because the animators can’t stfu and stop being cancerous retards.
>>156158660>small pupilsIs top left the odd one out because it was made by a man?
>>156157401It’s too gay.
>>156158660jax's one isnt demented or has small pupils he is just smug and this is extra funny because there ARE frames where he does a smile morelike the other ones so
>>156157844>>156158211>>156158660Eeh, I don't like most of these shows, but it's just a wide smile. It's different from the 'Disney's quirky girl character' face, or the calarts face.
>>156157401The thing that normies don't understand is that your mind reflects in your art. These people are anxious furry faggots, and that feeling is imbued into their shitty art. Their reference for humor is memes, tiktoks, vines, maybe gmod videos and spongebob if you're lucky. They don't want to make anything like cartoons before them, they want dancing singing furries acting like stupid women. This, in effect, makes their art like the usual nerd without self awareness in high school: you want to punch them, because they are so annoyingly, irritatingly weak, and it makes you want to punch their art. That's what I want to do. I want to punch your characters in the face and give them noogies until they cry, because that's what I wish I could do to you, draw a normal person, you stupid furry fuck.
>/co/ would rather engage in bait than support something they actually want
>>156158917I support my own work. That’s what I want.
Let's look at the indie slate>gay retard owl>gay retard rabbit>gay retard Disney >Art Deco cats that won't release another episode>gay retard cowboy bebop>hazbin hotel but there's like a bread guy and poop>nothing you have ever done in your entire life was ever your fault, kit
>>156158980>casually omits space king and the upcoming indie animation ace combat-like movie
>>156157401Indie animation can be cool. But people acting as if it's in any way equivalent to professional productions are just delusional. Even when the quality in a vacuum might come out on top, they still falter in how the schedule between episodes is completely up in the air and with no reliable promises whatsoever. At least indie porn animators can just release an animation whenever, and be all "Here, jerk off to it, enjoy." and then drop another surprise whenever. Without there being some overarching narrative or whatever. What is delivered is the full package. But if you release an episode1 of some broader project, but the conclusion would be in some theoretical episode 8+ or whatever, and one can't even know if such a thing would ever even actually be made at all let alone when? Then that just kind of sucks actually. At least with real industry animations, we either get feature film animations with their own start and conclusion. A complete package. Or a show that will most likely be on schedule until the season is over. With its own conclusion (unless the show is shit). Indie animators however? They release some shit, of whatever length, size, scope, or whatever. And then they just promise hopes and dreams for more to come. With no actual conclusions. And then they act all smug for not being corporate or of the industry.
>>156157882>>156157963>>156158032>>156158838
>>156158838it's not different at all. If Disney and Dreamworks catch shit for a main character smirking, then indie YouTube animators can catch shit for making quirk chungus evil grin
>>156157401Because you are using Twitter! Everyone who hates fun WILL ALWAYS VOICE IT!
>>156159118Could you help explain the problem?Yes they're largely ugly.I don't think TADC or Lackadaisy are particularly bad.I don't know what top right is but I don't like horror.I don't know what relates all of them together. None of them are the same emotion>smug, le crazy, dead>unreadable + bad teeth, smug + bad teeth, pained + beanmouth
>>156157401We thought we were getting a variety of creative projects instead we got e-celebs making tumblr tier fanfics of their own OCs.Flashgitz seems to be the only studio that tries to earn the fan reaction they had for other ips.
>>156157401>be the same quirky chungus reddit tier writing in every single indie cartoonNo shit
>>156157844This has no backing. And at least these cartoons are in different styles unlike cal arts.
>>156157401Unironically jealousy
>>156157537This is blue sky checkmate chud
>>156157844Now of these expressions are the same
>>156157401The Amazing Digital Circus more like The Atrocious Niggerdrilling Circus!
>>156158879>Their reference for humor is memes, tiktoks, vines, maybe gmod videos and spongebob if you're lucky. They don't want to make anything like cartoons before themTo be fair, even having other cartoons for your reference of humor can be a double-edged sword if you don't try to look for new stuff. One of the reasons I started watching more movies is because I want to have more inspirations for projects of my own.
>>156160121And that's a good way to look at it. Creators before you exposed themselves to a wide spread of works and mediums, Even referencing other cartoons is better than referencing internet shit, but yes movies and books are good too.
>>156159936Looks like all indie cartoons are the same now
>>156160157Yes, there's nothing wrong with taking inspiration from things that inspired you to do what you do in the first place, but you keep only referencing that and your work will eventually become inbred. I think about inspirations in a similar way to the pyramid food, where the things above should be used in moderation while the lower one are the basis to make something of your own.But there can be interesting exceptions. One thing I want to see, even if based on morbid curiosity, would be more movies inspired by YouTube Poops. There's chaotic editing techniques used for comedic reasons in YTPs that could be re-purposed to create action and suspense.
>>156157401You mean bots, and incels? They are not even people.
>>156157401Dumb teens got a moment of clarity.
>>156160536Coping harder than the industry defenders
Because people praise indie animation for being indie? A lot of "dude you gotta check this indie animation out" aren't that great. They're only good when you appreciate the effort the creators put in, but often times they're not good, and if this is the pilot you put out to get a studio to pick you up, you need more work.
>>156157401maybe if they could make a cartoon that wasn't>i'm trans and LITERALLY stuck in hell (which is a nostalgic reference to my childhood), i need to find someone to traumadump to or else i'm gonna have a heckin panic attack!then we wouldn't hate it as much.frankly, indie troons just need a devil's advocate or a straight white guy in a fancy suit to tell them that putting everything that runs through their brains onto paper is a bad idea
>>156160573You have no idea of the reality outside your bubble.
>>156157401Cause most of them are artsy fartsy autistic retards who were theater kids. Annoying and insufferable.Id rather have a company try to sell me honest toys with their cartoon than that.
>>156160806>muh echo chamberYOU USE THE INTERNET TOOWE'RE LIVING IN A DIGITAL HELLSCAPE OF LIES EVERYONE EXISTS IN A BUBBLE CREATED BY AI ALGORITHMS TO GUIDE OUR PSYCHOLOGY AND BEHAVIOR TO SUIT THE NEEDS OF THE RULING CLASS
>>156160825trve
>>156160867
>>156158980Murder Drones is good then?
>>156157449spbp /thread
>taps mic>*ahem*>I WANNA SUCK ON KEESHEE'S SNAKE TITS
TADC would have been the indie champ if Goose had stuck with the vague horror angle instead of hard focusing on Goose's troon rabbit insert
>>156160991yes
>>156157844These all look fairly different. You retards would have gotten an aneurysm in the 70s and 80s
>>156157401the people who hate indie animation only consume the same 5 indie cartoons from glitch, hasbin, and whatever gay lesbian trans shit they come across instead of actively seeking out indie cartoons that appeal to them
>>156157401They don't even enjoy actual indie animation they all just watch popular indie stuff. I bet none of these faggots know about pastafazool or developmental
>>156161042Why do cartoons always look the same? Why can't people make original shows for once?
>>156157401Because Indie shows can suck more than be good
>>156157401western animation is doomed in one way or another.
>>156157844What the fuck is this image supposed to entail None of these look at the same, expect for the two Helluva / Hazbin characters because they're from the same tumblr creator you fucking retard >>156160991NTA but I'd say it's pretty good, yeahVery autistic but the good kind
>>156157844Evergreen
>>156161254>words words>ITS STUPID POOPY STUPID HEAD SHOWS
>>156157401Why is it that when someone has a problem with trends that are in "every" indie cartoon, what they really mean is shows from the same two channels everytime?
Everyone here name an indie animated show that isn't from glitch productions or vivzie pop or people connected to their circle.
>>156161368The rest of indie is worse, that's why nobody watches them
>>156157401Because they have no taste in animation made by human hands.
>>156157844>I don't get itI think what this is going for is mocking the manic smiles with spiky/prominent individual teeth that makes a character look quirky? Did it get right?
>season 3 episode 1>stolas has a random panic attack while whacking off to gay fanfictionIt's like every single complaint about indie rolled into one
>>156157844>>156161436Liam Vickers drooling monster girl smiles came first and gave me a boner so they're the best. Trying to make up the term "indie face" for these characters from completely different. looking shows simply smiling is retardedly dishonest and feels like bad actors trying to emulate people shitting on mainstream industry and DTVA cartoons for their calarts faces which actually do all look the same.
>>156157401every indie show wants to be a comedy but also serious at the same time and I think most people hate that even if that can't articulate it, most stories now are just "le character feeling but things also get dark sometimes">ok but thats just a story, you're describing a storyyea, but its fucking formuletic, every indie animation is basing THEIR indie project over the previous big project, no one is writing anything unique because most writers are just told to copy now because copying is fine..but look at what thats doing, it's creating clones upon clones of shows that are just slightly different, it's not even innovative... it's all surface level bullshit and they WANT to sell it to you because they have to but they also WANT it to be good but their definition of good is "well the digital circus was popular and I like it so I'm just gonna do that"we need indie shows trying to do unique shit or else shows literally just fall into the rut disney is in right now where every disney film is just THE SAME SHIT but slightly different each timelike cmon.. how hard is it to experiment, can we please move away from industry standard toonboom? can we get something made for the craft of art and not just the next entertainment everyone is watching that sells sells sells? am I making sense here?
>>156161386Space King
>>156157401I dunno, maybe just accept that not everyone is gonna care about indie shows and fandoms and theories and shipping, and maybe just wants some cartoon to watch.
>>156161589That has it's own problem of sniffing it's own farts because "I'M A REAL SHOW FOR NONWOKE, NONSOY BOYS B)"
>>156157401Not enough people making indies read enough books, watch enough movies, or listen to enough music. Mangaka are lacking in life experience but they make up for it by being cultured.
>>156161609That and it's a parody of a franchise that wants to be treated as its own thing but shows no effort to stop being a parody and feels like it's riding someone else's coattails.
>>156161368Because I care about animation as an overall art form, not a small passion pursuit. The latter was ruined for me long ago so I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t care about the state of American animation.
>>156161386If I type their name people will respond "Who?" and that's part of the problem.
>>156161594I really wish people realize that the haters need to be ignored. Giving them attention means to them they are legit and not annoying babies they are.
>>156161662You were funnier when you actually drew your schizophrenic artAI "art" is schizophrenic by default
>>156161637Yes, YES! exactly my problem with it. It's fine on it's own, but as a series? It just feel like incels seething at 40k not being a Boys only club anymore.>>156161769But then that means artists can't whine blog.
Ehh, the problem with western indie stuff is that it, just like the corporate stuff, is just another avenue for the culture war.Even ITT you can see it playing out.Western media will never escape this, everything will always devolve into culture war battles because the west decided that entertainment and politics needed to be inexplicably linked for reasons no one really understands, so the "fandom" aspect of anything western will always eventually devolve into two sides fighting the culture war.
>>156161985To be, culture war is the culminations of frustrations with two opposing culture in the US dating back to post WWII.Except instead of "taking turns" like the 50s and 60s, it's the two sides having a scream off over whose more of a degen gooner vs whose more of a prude jackboot licker
>>156157401Indies always are musicalsIndies always have transIndies always are 100% original, ignoring lots of books and comics ready for a animated series.Indies always have the Sailor Moon transformation.
>>156161386https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRD_UmFF5sUI better see /co/'s chuds being happy after this drops
>>156161672The problem is people don't really know dick about indie animation
>>156157401Because they're gay. They can't help but complain about their own problems and shoehorn it into the media they make. In fact, that's the problem with a majority of cartoons made recently, both indie and major studios. Everyone's more concerned about winning awards and the favoritism of peers and overly vocal fans rather than create something unique, original, and above all else entertaining, End of thread.
>>156162066>>156162081Your problem is that you participate in the animation circlejerk of thinking marketing is the only factor.>some realistic pseudo-live action show pitch Not what I’m interested in. I make my own military series with what I’m interested in.You keep ignoring feedback and keep getting nobody but the sharktooth quirky queer villain audience.
>>156162116Shut the fuck up guy I wasn't asking for a pedophile's opinion
>>156162138I respect him a little more knowing this
>>156162138Aw look at the faggot find an opportunity to dominate another manEnjoy your little incestuous fandoms for gay villains, wondering why new audiences never come, while AI enables a gazillion new creators who will never find a reason to associate with your cliques That’s the longest silence my friend
can guy go back to /v/ please i liked it here better when he was away
>>156162242Wanna talk about how you associate heterosexuality with pedophilia because you remember choosing to be gay as a pubescentMust be easy to remember considering all the social incentives to be gay in the 10s before you ended up screeching that nobody new is coming to the 6 or so Gay Evil Villains shows and everything just feels incestuous to you
>>156162260>everything just feels incestuous to youYou seem to know a lot about incest.
>>156162260Don't you fucking ignore me
>>156162270Homestuck was a forerunner of fandom culture and fans literally identified with trolls who reproduce in an incestuous slurryCall all villains, Hazbin, helluva, Jax TADC, it’s all the same incestuous gay material with slightly different mental issues being addressedYou people gave up on your families so you blend into each other >>156162324I address what feels worth addressing
>>156161534this is more of a recycled character archetype than recycled shapes like calarts is
>NOOOOOOOO, U CANT JUST ENTERTAIN YOURSELVES BECAUSE our slop IS NOW AGRESSIVELY GATEKEPT ON A SHITTON OF LEVELS SMOKING CIGARO CIGARO CIGARO!!!
>>156162351he's never made a fully produced animated series before murder drones, everything before that on his animation channel are either proof of concepts or practice which eventually led up to MD.
>>156157882>>156157963>>156158032>>156158838>>156159895>>156159936>>156161042its this manic and unhinged smile which betrays mental illness
>>156162484forgot pic
because its all the same weepy insufferable sloppa
>>156162484It’s the smile you make when you’ve spent a lifetime faking positive reactions to keep your clout increasing and opportunities open, even if you think people in the clique are incompatible with you and generally awfulThen you funnel those feelings into villain shows and wonder why people don’t think they’re as cool as you think they are
>>156160440I remember that one viral post about that guy who rented out an entire theater to play a YTP of Blues Clues for people to see.I agree that more media today should be YTP-ish. You can literally do ANYTHING with video editing so why not make it weirder?
>>156157401I think the problem now is that it's never been easier for the average person to algorithm max nowadays.Creators have always repeated trends. Something gets popular, another show tries to emulate it. That's par for course in the creative sphere. It happens. But nowadays the average person has access to EVERYTHING. What memes are popular, the latest trend, what character trope people love.The result is stuff that just feels terminally online for lack of a better word. Maybe I'm just getting too old to enjoy cartoons now... But it just all feels so... samey?
>>156162506Seriously. How do a bunch of adults get together, make a show for other adults, and it's just crying and therapy speak?
>>156162537how nu r u
>thread schizo meltdown about indie cartoons and characters with completely different fucking smilesThis board really is just mentally ill browns and DTVA industry shilling pedos now.
>>156157401>>156162526>>156162537The problem with indie animation is the same problem with the modern indie comics scene. Most artists today cannot write very well because they put all their time and effort behind drawing/animating in a vacuum, and even then not every artist will actually have enough completed projects to show they've developed their writing skills. Making matters worse is how American culture frowns on reading and most of us anons know that growing up in school, the artsy kids were rarely the avid readers. You need to keep making comics and cartoons to get better at writing comics and cartoons. You need to read plenty of books and watch plenty of movies.
>>156157401indie animators only make stories for themselves and never anybody else. i hate the term therapyslop, but it’s accurate when describing shows that stop trying to entertain their audience and would rather write themes that are too specific for a broad audience. it’s really rare to find a series that’s near universally liked nowadays.
Is this some schizo samefag thread? A lot of these posts feel same-y and are pretty obviously images downloaded on mobile.
>>156162681phoneposter here. i have a pc but i’m away from home. sorry bud.
>>156157401People hate everything now and with good reason
>>156162868ThisI haven't been happy since summer of 2023
>>156157401Because once a indie studio makes it big (i.e. Glitch Productions and Spindlehorse), people then conflate them to being no different to the corporate networks.
Because retards actually thought indie animation was going to replace the dead industry and they'd be getting shows as good as professional 90s/2000s cartoonsWhy they deluded themselves like this, I'll never know
It's all for attention and the need to let other people know what THEIR opinion on something is. Double that with the fact you get more engagement with being negative than being positive. It doesn't matter if what you said is "true" as long as it encourages another person to argue with you for that dopamine fix.
>>156162905>people then conflate them to being no different to the corporate networks.I mean it's kinda trueWhat does separate these big indies from things that came out on television other than being watchable on a computer and maybe having some swearing?
I will fight for Pakistan!
>>156162905Indie shows like Call all villains and Hazbin do have a network, the social network of Lgbtqa people. They are built to cater to the fetishes of this network and have incoherent stories since the lives that inspire them never really go anywhere.Just like with a TV network, these social connections have very stringent rules and if you break any of them, they won’t get involved with your creativity in any way.People tried to make me an art slave on shows like this, but completely gave up because I refused to not affirm my Catholic beliefs.Now that i am making my games I can see how it’s making their morale waver, but they won’t speak on my creativity in any way to follow the rules
>>156162937do you want indie to stop making showsdo you want cartoons to die
>>156158879Why do limp wristed autists who post on a tranime website and on an imageboard about fucking comics and cartoons love to larp as some jock bully chads. Is it some fetish where you wish you were your own school bully?
>>156160825They aren't artsy at all, their shit appeals to the same kind of low common denominator retard. Soviet avant-garde animation is artsy, Ralph Bakshi is artsy. Fags from Newgrounds aren't.
>>156163545Yes to both
>>156161594When is this guy going to draw his chubby snake oc again?
>>156157401because there's no good indie animation
>>156157401The only good indie animation I'm seeing are those speculative biology ones and sauria.Minkey wrench could be good but it's stuck with lame protagonists.
>>156157401modern indie animation is loud and lame
>>156157844Kek, the new calarts face
>>156159118This.
Abhorrent samefagging in this fuckass thread
>>156161299Evergreen
>>156164618Anon is somewhat wrong in that transgressive media can have value of its own. Sometimes you just need to be provocative if you want to garner interest.The TADC ending wasn't even trying to do this, at least not in any meaningful sense. It was just fucking stupid. People were joking day in and day out about how, despite trying to develop an actual story, the end of the show would just be some meandering and pointless bullshit about trannies, and then they actually fucking did that, with no irony whatsoever.It doesn't even work in a cope sense, like with The Matrix. The rest of TADC works *better* if you just don't watch the finale.
They missed the opportunity to cast real talent
>>156162484Only two of them look manic and unhinged. Do you have a hard time understanding facial expressions?
>>156164667I love his anime reviews.
>>156157844>all the retards ITT claiming they look different because the art style is differentHave you dumb niggers never heard of dreamworks face? It’s the same concept.
They hate indies because they realize that the animation quality is shit and yet they still beg for money. If they just got sponsors like NORMAL PEOPLE, then there wouldn't be any problems.
>>156157401Because if networks were making more cartoons, those ppl would be hating on that instead.
>>156163545I want them to make good shows.
>>156161386Homestar Runner
More like hate is just more visible on social media in general because that's kind of what it's for, it's an arena for fighting people over either earnestly held opinions or fake ones to hold their attention. Maybe in general people are a bit more mean-spirited and more aware that putting down others is an easy street to feeling better about yourself but there are still plenty of people who don't mainline that kind of terminally online thought process. TADC beat a laika movie at the box office. I don't think it's true that they're not popular.
>>156157401>be target audience>get confused when the non-target audience dislikes your target marketed productTo think I used to find his stuff funny.
>>156157844
>>156164945What's a good show to you?
>>156165142Madness Combat and Family Guy
>>156157401>bsky
>>156157401Landfill indie animation.
>>156158359you should watch the moon girl show, there's a cool dinosaur in it
>>156157425This, indie used to mean freedom of expression, but the second you start catering to streaming platforms you end up pussyfing your product. Looking a you Helluva Boss.
>>156157844>mfw seeing the indie show version of the DreamWorks smirk
>>156157844How are you retards claiming these are "totally different"? You are either braindead or are arguing in bad faith. Like it isnt even up to debate, that there is a clear pattern here. An annoying design trend
>>156157401Maybe indie animators should stop acting like entitled cunts online.
>>156164618Yap Yap yap
>>156157844Atsushi Ohkubo ruined an entire generation of indie animation.
>>156164847Pretending not to understand
>>156166787Well?
Nobody likes animation, AAA studios are just able to buy more PR.
Cartoons used to be made by a relatively wide variety of people coming from a variety of different backgrounds, whose style, writing, humor, timing, etc. were largely unique from each other and this created a nice blend of influences.Indie cartoons are made by millennials from either Tumblr or Newgrounds and that is basically it. They largely share the same style, sensibilities, influences, techniques, and so on and the result is that their cartoons start to blend together a lot more.People are growing tired of indie cartoons faster because they are all made by the same type of people coming from the same background.
>>156157425The patterns are VERY noticeable now, the new one with the TV head guy is like a parody.
>>156157401Because they all suck now and copy each other and have oversaturated the market so much it's hard to find anything original anymore.
>>156166915>Cartoons used to be made by a relatively wide variety of people coming from a variety of different backgrounds, whose style, writing, humor, timing, etc. were largely unique from each other and this created a nice blend of influences.You mean like Velma? Did diversity over merit work for them?
>>156161662Why are the booths on the right stacking up like a stadium?
>>156164666>You have to be brave to hate indie animationThis bullshit was the Prime example of why everyone hates glitch.
>>156157401To me, it's more to do with either apathy towards most of the indie shows discussed on /co/ or a general lack of interest in them. It also doesn't help that out of all the indie showrunners, a few specific ones are too schizo for me to put up with.As for indie shows themselves, nothing is ever gonna convince me to watch shows like Hazbin Hotel, Helluva Boss, TADC, and Gameoverse. Shows like Murder Drones, Sublo and Tangy Mustard, and Space King seem interesting, but I'm just not compelled enough to watch them. Shows like RWBY and IDWTBAMG also seems interesting, but I'm better off avoiding those because I'm irritated by either parts of those shows or the showrunners themselves.>>156162565So basically, indie animators need more life experiences as well as improving their art and animation.>>156162052This.
>>156163646>tranimeGo back, shartynigger
>>156164618Why do you have a screencap of monarchyfag?
>>156157401>Cartoons have become too safe and repetitive>Cartoons aren't funny anymore>Cartoons are too chaotic and dumb>Cartoons are too serious and dramatic>Cartoons take themselves too seriously>Cartoons need to cater to a more mature audience>Cartoons are trying too hard to be adult>Cartoons are too cheap and ugly>Cartoons are shameless cynical cashgrabs>Cartoons are all trying too hard to be Disney>Cartoons are all trying too hard to be the next Hazbin Hotel>Cartoons all sound the same now.
Place has become nothing but bitter old men complaining about their own poor life decisions, yeah you didn't go to art School okay who the hell wanted to go to art school anyway and so now you guys spend every goddamn waking moment hating every single successful artist between the AI threads constantly promoting how artists are evil and need to be destroyed . these threads proclaiming any successful artist in any way is evil repetitive bad and so on, what is the point of this place. This place is full of you bitter people who hate people who follow their dreams. I'm sorry you didn't go to art School I didn't go to art school either, I don't hate artists because they made different decisions to me I'm not going to hold the bitter resentment. you go to any other bored here and they never act like this I don't see people on weapons sitting around complaining about gun designers, in this bizarro jealous rage. And that's what this place is a bunch of old jealous men angry at the weirdos who followed their dreams, yes you could have gone to art school and followed your dreams, but you laughed and said no, so the weird transgender kid did, and now you hate that kid it's not their fault you didn't do what you wanted to do. The reality is you don't hate transgender people or in the artists, cartoonist you disagree with politically you hate yourselves because you didn't do what you wanted to do.
>>156167425>monarchyfag?
All of you niggers barely even check out indie shit other than the popular stuff so you'll always complain that you didn't find something you like
>>156157844Bad artists lack the skill to pull off a simultaneously charismatic but villanous character design like the old disney classics convincingly, so they always resort to the cheapest gimmick of giving them a wide devilish grin to look cool and punk to the kiddos. A phenomenon similar to the dreamworks face.
>>156167614>Jealous faggot who never made anything in his life and thought the world was a video game and never had to try. Now as an adult he cries about the weird transgender people who are more successful than him at making cartoons while he clings to his Ai and his dick hating the world.
>>156157401Too gay.
>>156167629>t. bad artist
>>156166915Yeah, I agree. I even noticed this with showrunners for Nick, CN, and Disney shows and pilots from the past 16 years or so.
Why are all indie fans like this?
I hated indie before it was cool.
>>156167821Normal cartoons have the caveat of being targeted towards children so their online fanbase is tends to be a lot more contained. Not that it's not fine for adults to comment on these cartoons but there's a general underlying understanding from most people that the shows intentions outweigh their expectations. Indie animation recently has been marketed to adults which means any ages between 18 ONWARD. A melting pot of way more varied voices and several levels of understanding. Within that pot you also have much more varied categories of content creation and strangeness is more accepted because it is relating to the topic at hand.
>>156167428Ain't that the truth. The real problem with this planet. Everyone's a fucking whiner about anything.
>>156167504holy fuck shit i wish i went to art school. i took an art class later in life and met a cute dyed hair artsy girl. she was so cute and innocent. i loved her. but i was an old man by that time and couldnt make any moves on her without looking like a groomer. i hate my school for telling me to go into STEM. art school is probably the ultimate cheat code to finding a gf that hasn't been spitroasted by chad. why didn't anyone support my art dreams? i now understand why hitler went crazy after being denied from art academy. what a lack of art pussy does to a mf.
>>156167560I don't want to find something I like. I want to increase the quality of cartoons. I don't care about watching the resulting higher quality cartoons.For something I like I have my games.>>156167629“More successful” implies there was competition instead of lgbt gooning about destroying the lives of any artists outside of their community (Chimptopia was the last, failed example) and then spazzing around as the only game in town, crying that new audiences aren't coming>>156167504Your previous bizarre projecting rant amounts to grooming people about trooning out.>>156167360I don't care what you say unless you speak on the series or game being built.
>>156157844Can the Anon who posted this not see that these are all different expressions? They're all smiles, but they all convey a different emotion even if the different is subtle. I see manic smiles and sly smiles mixed together, but to the Anon, they're just smiles. That's autism, right?
>>156162228>AI enables a gazillion new creators who will never find a reason to associate with your cliquesNiggerman, if this is true please stop associating with us and enjoy your ai and new audiance. ahh your posts make me feel insane, help me Niggerman!
>>156166122Indie is dead, since true independent creators aren't in it for profit but rather love of the game. The issue is that the modern Nu-Indie sees no meaning in art that has no obvious material value
>>15616862510FEET 20THE
>>156168586This was my takeaway as well. Bean mouth was a stretch for me back in the day but I could still see it.Indie style is...What? Sharp teeth? Noseless characters? But those characters have noses. Large eyes maybe? Like what about these characters are similar?
>>156157844It's funny how people pretend that Jax and the irrelevant one wouldn't also have sharp pointy teeth if they were designed to be that way. Every indie show uses this trope though, pointy sharp teeth character who is a smug rude faggot so you get invested in the show if nothing else than to hate him and watch him suffer and die for morbid satisfaction
>>156167334>You mean like Velma?That was also made by tumblr people. It's in the same vein as most indie shows.
>>156168941Velma was made by one of the executive producers for The Office
>>156168941>>156168981Velma was made by that one indian comedian I thought who self inserted herself
>>156168837>he doesn't see it
>>156168837the indie face of late is crazy expressions with a crazed smile and wide eyes. There is a habit of indie YouTube animators to create vapid characters who are "wild child" types who don't fit in or who have trauma
>>156168586>>156168837It's some.dishonest schizo faggot samefagging. I thought this was obvious. This shit about indies and "looking the same" is forced shit.
>>156157401Because most indies are just the western industry from the mid 10s 2.0, meaning the same shitty girlboss BS and the same faggotry, if appealing to tumblr refugees on twitter were as good and profitable the indies producers think then the mainstream industry wouldn't be in decline in the first place.
>>156157401Most of them are creepy lgbtq freaks trying to influence children to change their gender.
>>156161929>Why people don't like queers and women to appealed in [male oriented IP] you're a bunch of incelsBecause people took lessons of what Disney did to Star Wars, same old playbook as always
>>156167922this anon is correct. Indie animations on YouTube are essentially created by manchildren for manchildren (or womanchildren for womanchildren).
>>15616192940k is for the chuds, tranny
>>156161009this guy making a show about some retarded meme cat instead of the bbw snake and her human male “friend” is just one example of what’s wrong with indie animation
>>156169860I had to concede at "most people understand that the intentions outweigh their expectations." because there will always be outliers making 2 hour attack videos about how that cartoon you like is fascist conforming and the creator is a literal nazi when it's rather obvious that the show in question doesn't absolve all evil actions and the nuance of it's story telling was in service of getting kids to think before they start throwing stones. Something ironically a lot of mentioned manchildren and womanchildren tend to miss while they spend their time powerleveling their shounen protagonists..
What's going on? Why are people making videos like this?
>>156157401because indie animation has become a clone of the “icky” animation industry, except it’s geared towards autistic man children and theater kids instead of normies who use family guy as background noise or literal babies
>>156170161In their defense, Keeshee IS from NCS' original series. While it is very possible that Keeshee might appear in a property in the future, her popularity and relatability stems from her personality being so compatible with the clips and parodies NCS animates that supposedly inform her character.Because what else defines Keeshee for most people besides "She was in that silly video?" and "She's basically Jester but a Snake?"
>>156170204Dude.99k462k997k350k.Are you really this confused? It's easy views..I'm going to sound like a shill but this one was actually a pretty neat listen and made some real good points.>"Viv says Vox was meant to be Trump">Yeah okay everyone uses Trump as an easy evil allegory. Literally every single video compares Hitler and Trump to every character they hate under the sun.>"No. I mean I have receipts of Viv herself quite literally basing Vox off of the idea that a character like Trump could never be voted in power. This isn't an allegory or short-hand, Trump is quite literally inspiration.">Oh. Okay.I also recently saw that FURRY Adastra review and he does the same thing. Compares an antagonist to Trump even though their mantra is completely justified.
>>156170204people will say things they don't mean or care about if it makes them money from people who don't know any better watching their garbage
>>156170214ough
>>156170268Making an evil Trump character is easy. What's hard is making an evil Hillary character to lose to Trump because she'll suicide you. That's why nobody ever does it.
>>156170421THICCUMS
>>156161386Rats the Show
>>156167415graf lost
the writing is 99% guaranteed to be shitIts a waste of good talent and money to have a shit story, shit plot, huge plot holes, and bad dialogue. A lot is due to inexperience, but it doesnt make it any better.Velma is not indie, but the animation is not bad and can be impressive at times. It is wasted on shit like Velma. So when people see an indie show that puts effort into the animation, only to find characters that are too focused on tropes or vibes, it ruined character development or interest. Also the stories try to be more than they really are.
>>156161254i liked Aura Farmer
