moo gwoo

When is Gwenschizo gonna kill xirself?

>>156158316
I didn’t read your post OP but enjoy this video.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a8MZBUoQt68&list=RDa8MZBUoQt68&start_radio=1&pp=ygUOWW91IGFyZSBjb3BpbmegBwE%3D&ra=m

>>156158347
MUH GWEE

>>156158669
Oh so you rathe haver peter be a lone and unmarried person for good? then I take it.

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I think Peter and MJ should agree to give it another shot after recovering at least some memory and then immediately after a new teen Gwen Stacy (spider-gwen? Secret symbiote? Clone?) shows up and aggressively pursues Peter to their dismay

>>156158705
MUH GUNDAM

>>156158316
Schizo, the one guy in Marvel who wanted that was just banished to Japan.

Shut the fuck up and cry about it like the last twenty times the past few years they brought back Peter and MJ instead of Gwen.

>>156159006
Oh give me break anon they are others who still love Gwen and keep in mind current editoral hates MJ. Besides she either get brought back or Peter will remain a lone person forever.

>>156159131
I think Mephisto should bring back Gwen but make her fat and retarded as part of his revenge.

>>156159131
All of Gwens fans being fat perverts - including you - doesn't help your argument you goddamn dipshit.

So yes, very much looking forward to your next crashout where you leave this place to cry and stew when Peter and MJ do come back as they inevitably will.

>>156159964
MJ being a cheater changed everything so no peter and MJ won't be gerting back together.

>>156160370
Yes they will because no more OMD means MJ will be free of Mephisto’s magic to be with Peter!

>>156160370
MJ didn't cheat you illiterate fuckwit lol

Al Ewing made that explicit; she thought Peter was dead. So they've already removed your dumbest argument after only two years.

How long was Gwen a cheater for again?
Oh that's right. SEVENTEEN.
And they needed to imply Norman fucked Mysterio in order to do that rather than saying it didn't happen like with MJ lol

Also... they've produced over half a dozen Peter and MJ stories this year alone.
How many Peter and Gwen stories?
One. And it took place in a story involving PETER AND MJ'S GRANDKID. So Gwen needed a Peter and MJ story to still be relevant lol

Your stupidity and desperation is really amazing.
I can already feel the tears forming.

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>>156158316
Here we go again.

>>156160526
Not schizo and Gwen is going to remain dead, but MJ repeatedly chose Paul over Peter. She needs a retcon rescue desperately from people who weren't responsible like Lowe.

Hey remember when Miles sold the life of a Muslim girl to save Kamala? Is that gonna be addressed?

>>156161601
It should but it won't.
Did Kamala ever find out and cut him out of her life? I know he quit but it didn't stick.
Also man Kamala needs to stop hanging around Spider-Men, she keeps dying.

>>156161565
I don't think she needs a retcon (though I also wouldn't say no to one), but she does need some work I will concede.

But its not as impossible as some are making it out to be. Both ASM 1000 and MJ's 60th were far more pro-PeterMJ than most suspected they would be.

Heck in Venom, MJ didn't really care all that much that Paul was dead (or not as much as you might expect). Her and Peter were flirting and making eyes at each other at the guy's funeral (whilst third-wheeling Flash) lol

All that needs to happen is to stop putting dumb obstacles in the way for long enough.

>>156161601
They will never acknowledge anything that could ruin their golden boy's image.

>>156158316
>>156158334
I think we just have to accept that without One More Day and Editorial around to artificially push MJ down, that Gwen's legacy was always something fairly worthless. In the end, Gwen is worthless without OMD or Mephisto. The end of One More Day is also the end of Gwen Stacy, and the end of Gwenschizo.

>>156162086
It's not obstacles or the future I'm concerned about, it's the past.
Everytime MJ makes an affirmation of loyalty, stability or standing by Peter it's going to ring hollow. Love is apparently a coat she can take on and off.
Her credentials as a love interest, not only for Peter but for ANYONE, are blackballed.

>>156162137
Damn, good thing this shit is fiction and we can just disregard the entire BND era.

>>156158770
>I think Peter and MJ should agree to give it another shot
Nah. You should never normalize that. It doesn't work.

>>156161601
im wondering more about otto

>>156158316
Why not go to hell and kick Mephisto's cunt in until he undoes the contract?

>>156162137
I'm not saying the Paul nonsense isn't damaging, because it is. But honestly, all that needs to happen is to not do anything like that for long enough.

Paul is also kind of a unique circumstance where you can pass off MJ's behaviour as trauma (in fact that's pretty much the official reason, both in-universe and out). So the longer he goes unmentioned, the longer that's possible.

And given he's not mentioned at all in her mini thus far, even when he's directly responsible for her entire hero period,(instead they attributed that entirely to Peter) that definitely seems possible. Heck a good number of Marvel summaries of her time as Jackpot omit him entirely. One of them says Felicia stole the tech for her so they could team-up together. Which sure as heck isn't what happened, but it hilariously shows that Paul is a 10-foot pole topic for MJ for the foreseeable future.lol

>>156162428
They need to about course correct hard and give MJ a embarrassment of riches in terms of winning back not only Peter, but a very much pissed off audience.
Some accountability would go a long way, and not the hack job Ewing did.

>>156162137
She was a great love interest for paul... oh wait, no she wasnt. Strung him along just enough to get him killed. Poor guy.

>>156162815
He deserved it. She was quietly engineering his death.

>>156162137
This is why Disney needs to have the editorial go through a public humiliation ritual

>>156162428
She needs therapy sessions where some of this can be explicitly stated.
>part of me felt paul deserved getting stabbed, he did genocide a planet.
>Paul had a way of glancing at dylan, it made me uncomfortable.
> gwen would always get so upset about peter. She and I grew closer and she would invite herself over, spend the night. I was cool with it, it was safe, didn't want to be alone, I guess. She would talk in her sleep "Norman this, Norman that."

>>156163030
Disney should wait until Nick Lowe and Tom Brevoort buy their new houses in LA and immediately fire them.

>>156163216
I'm baffled that Brevoort bothered to move when he is this close to retirement and had previously said he would never leave NY.

>>156163325
Tom Brevoort is determined to make sure Gwen Stacy never comes back.

>>156163403
That's why he's the man in charge of the X-Men!

>>156158316
Still not buying this, it will go back to the statu quo and in the odd chance something does happen it will be to kick peter in the nuts again like bringing the daughter back but she hates him or something

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>>156158316
They don't want Peter to be with anyone long term. They want him single and any girl he gets with has to be seen as temporary. The new Gwen isn't the old Gwen and she's not even his age. Peter will never get with MJ, Gwen, or Felicia. It's the one thing they've been consistent about for decades.

>>156158316
This is another bait troll for haters of OMD to buy this comic, as if Marvel will admit they're a bunch of fuck ups.

>>156160526
>it's not cheating if she gaves up on him and thinks that the man known to be stuborn as all shit is dead
not how it works, that excuse is retarded especially with how the paul shit unfolds in that alt dimension and how she choses him over peter when they return

>>156161530
Lol perfect metaphor

Dont worry lads, we can still make Betty Brant's kid a hologram and kill the hobgoblin and finally return to the TRVE STATVS QVO

>>156162086
>asm1000
>were far more pro-PeterMJ than most suspected they would be.
yeah with ZERO stories centered on them being together and doing things together as a couple, incredibly pro PeterMJ

Do you know what the most will come of this?
Peter an MJ regaining their memories and just going, "oh, ok. That happened."
A whole batch of nothing.

>>156162184
no matter how much we act like it didn't happen, that shit did in fact happen and it affected the characters forever

>>156163750
Even better. It'll end with them hinting at getting back together. And then they don't. It sells more future issues that way.

>>156162428
>trauma (in fact that's pretty much the official reason,
the known drama of a cottage montage and happy memories

>>156163710
Schizo.

You don't know how fucking human beings work because you've never felt any such contact yourself.

Its not cheating if you think your partner is dead, you braindead reject.

Shut up and let the grown ups talk yeah :)

>>156163885
Paul still didn't tell her about the time dilation, though.

>>156163733
Its funny how I called you illiterate and then you go and prove my point.

I didn't say "incredibly" I said "more than expected".

Which is still more than your waifu got...
So yeah.

Also, oooohhhh I can tell these comments got under your skin, you haven't snapped back like this in a while :)

>>156158316
Buddy if you knew what was good you'd want her to stay dead, I wish they just killed off MJ and left her there years ago. Honestly kinda the same for Osborne at this point. Really even Peter himself almost

>>156163813
Memories so happy that every single time we've looked into her mind since then, they were nowhere to be seen.
Including when Peter took a dive into her thoughts and discovered where she feels safest and... oh. Her safest thoughts are from when she first met Peter? Not a trace of that so-called happiness anywhere? Funny that.

Almost like it was a desolate world full of monsters and she had no-one else to talk to or rely on other than the guy who killed it.

In fact every time MJ has recalled that time, it has only been the survival aspects, making it clear she fucking hated it.

That was your best response? lol

>>156163909
Yeah, but that's on Paul for being a scumbag.

Heck, he took the secret that he knew about that to his grave.

>>156163914
>more than expected
>people expected at least 1 part of it being about them as a couple and got.... zero stories centered about them as a couple
amazing pro PeterMJ stuff
i don't even know who lives rent free in your head but you can not say that asm1000 is pro ship and not expect me to call you a retard. what does it do that is pro PeterMJ at all? barely mention her, if at all, during a story centered more about gwen again? show them sitting on a bench for a limited number of panels while the rest is some wild west shit?

>>156163950
>Yeah, but that's on Paul for being a scumbag.
Alternatively, it's on Ewing, White and everybody in the Spoffice who thinks whatever the fuck happened between Paul and MJ was perfectly fine and not him basically manipulating MJ into having sex with him.

You genuinely have to be the most inbred person on the fucking planet to not see what's wrong with what Paul did, or to equate him being complicit in genociding an entire planet with Peter being at fault for letting Uncle Ben die. The fact that Disney didn't fire Lowe the first chance they got after the absolute disaster that was the Wells run is beyond me.

>>156163990
Ooohhh the seeth, the cope. Its hilarious.

Yeah, the comments really got to you.

You can call me one all you like dude, I don't care.
Because the one really showing their ass here is you. And I am loving how pissed off I made you by pointing out the reality :)

We keep this up, you'll bitch out for another couple of weeks again.

>>156163909
>>156163950
>>156164011
How long do you think it'll be before Marvel musters up the balls to actually address this

>>156163935
>it has only been the survival aspects
because as i said they fucked up hard when actually SHOWING (which has more weight than any dialogue) what went down there which as far as we know was just another adventure and a cottage core montage with him and the kids, it makes her behaviour just inconsistent and not seem traumatic at all, but that is a whole different discussion point is using the "trauma" excuse is dumb

>Her safest thoughts are from when she first met Peter? Not a trace of that so-called happiness anywhere? Funny that
this only makes her look worse about the fact that she dumped her partner ASAP

>>156163990
>MJ was Peter's wife in several of those stories and they had grandkids in one of them
>Gwen was a hallucination of a dead person in ONLY one of them
>Somehow this makes Gwen more important than MJ according to insane child molesters

lol

>>156164056
When Paul gets resurrected.

>>156164056
It won't be referenced or explored honestly as long as Lowe and those responsible for it are there, because it's then an admission they did Avengers #200 again. Which is what people have been screaming since Dead Language did Avengers #200 again.
It's very possible some decade from now under a new regime/writer, they are going to come in like Claremont and go to town, only Claremont got to address #200 within a year because Shooter had a lot more integrity.

It's why repair of MJ and addressing the Rabin saga is so fucking hard under Lowe, they are in active denial of the story they made and they pretend like all of this has been MJ's choices. And then cope years after the fact and call it trauma, which nobody saw then or sees now.
Just terrible writing across the board.

>>156164066
LMAO

You're literally having to lie about the story in order to cope that it hasn't been thrown in the trash and will be ignored in future.

"They fucked hard and the story showed that" - and yet, there is not a single panel of that anywhere.

Hey dipshit...
Still not cheating even if Paul broke her back in.
Which he evidently did not given how dispassionate everything was.
She wouldn't be constantly thinking of another man otherwise... lol

>>156164116
That nigga got pegged, let's be real

>>156164126
Dude canonically got cucked by Venom. There's no way he was topping MJ even if she didn't hate sleeping with him lol.

>>156164056
marvel themselves? probably years, decades even. they know most people only know about paul because of the outrage of him stealing spider-man's girl, that is why they are acting like it never happened and trying to shift the focus on the OMD bait.
why? because the moment the masses wise up and actually read the whole thing and what paul did they will go
>hey wait a second... isn't that kind of rapey?
and that will be trouble because mj and spider-man are THAT popular, only then they will be forced to either
A) retcon that shit
B) address it like what happened with carol and kang

>the only reason Paul wasn't sued into oblivion for being a company head that got people killed is because he killed ALL the people
>court can't convict me because I killed the judge the jury
How oh how did MJ find this out about him and not be repulsed and at best platonically tolerate him as a necessity for survival?
Why does Paul think himself worthy of going to spas? Does this man act like he gives a fuck?

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>>156164088
>When
The fact that we're not saying "if" shows how little faith we have in Marvel at this point

The deal is nullified
But he makes a new deal to bring Paul back to life. No I'm not joking.

>>156158316
The only time Gwen ever mattered was when she died

>>156164355
I mean DC resurrected Terry Long for a scare chord, in the long arcs of comics all deaths will one day be undone if only in an event.
Rabin is way too infamous not to use, only it will be done under a new team with no qualms about treating him like the audience always saw him.

>>156164449
There is no point in sending the HQs of Marvel and DC back to NYC without using a public domain expansion technique on the IPs is it?

>>156164126
In the far future with new editorial someone really mad at this whole thing could write MJ talking about how Pauls small penis didnt work and he was scared of boobs and kissing so all their intimacy was her pegging him.

The truth no one in this thread wants to acknowledge is that even if Marvel caved and gave the fans everything they say they want, like Peter getting back together with MJ for good and having kids and whatever else, the fans would be satisfied for a grand total of five minutes, ten tops. Then they'd just find new stuff to complain about and we'll all be right back at Square fucking One.

>>156164912
There are characters who had haters ascend through the ranks with agendas with far fewer loathing than Paul.
Think of DiDio with any legacy character. Paul is going to be ritually sacrificed as an offering to the audience when the new editorial comes in.

>>156164959
I hope it doesn't take too long for the new editorial to realize how futile trying to please Spider-Man fans is.

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>>156164938
The fuck is this regressive thinking?
You'll be at a better foundation for good storytelling for a start. There will always be complaints, such is the nature of the beast, but there's a sliding scale and things that please the crowd and things that just antagonize them. Spoffice has been burning the candle of rageb8ing at both ends since Slott. It's finally hit the fingers at Wells, they have to rebuild everything.

You give the audience what they want, then build on it. Giving the audience with what they use to take for granted when the book was at its apex is ridiculous. Bring back the cast. Bring back MJ being the rock for Peter. Let Peter bounce between worlds again, a relatable but aspirational figure rather than being a glorified couch surfing voodoo doll.

>>156164974
Making the fans angry is infinitely easier than making them happy, and we still haven't reached the point where the fans are so pissed off that they wash their hands of Spider-Man entirely. They've been complaining for complaining's sake for so long that they can't imagine a life without it anymore, and even if they can, it would feel weird and uncomfortable to them.

The funniest thing about Gwen is that everyone forgot how she was.
I've read an article about Romita Sr's time at with Stan Lee on ASM, and one thing that struck me was that Stan Lee deliberatly made Gwen less cold like at the beginning and more like MJ, even going as far as sabotaging the latter like giving her a ugly haircut.
Its hilarious, ngl.

>>156165000
Brevoort pls, I see what they do and they don't get a sale. Only shitposting.
The ongoing is inflated by speculators and dying dinosaurs, which is why the biggest Superhero IP in the world is not reliably top three comics anymore.

>>156165000
No one's gonna not watch a good Spider-man movie because comics are retarded. Most Spider-man fans just don't care about the comic book.

>>156165029
The sabotage of MJ from on high in favour of Gwen, and it always failing to take is baked into the brickwork.

>>156165036
>Only shitposting.
But even that counts as engaging with the IP. If you really wanted to be happy, genuinely happy, you would've given up entirely on Spider-Man by now, and found something else that actually makes you happy. It is entirely your own choice to stay in the cesspool. You built a prison around yourself but the door isn't even locked.

>>156165051
Shitposting on /co/ is pretty fun notIntern.

>>156165041
Technically, Gwen was killed because Conway was a MJ supporter.
Shipping wars truly was a thing in the 70s lmao.

>>156162137
God what a pathetic and bitter person you are.

>>156158334
Is this all going down while Aunt May has forgotten Peter because of her long lost son or was that already resolved?

>>156164974
>You'll be at a better foundation for good storytelling for a start.

Nope. Whiny little manbabies will keep whining and crying about stupid shit no matter what and will never be satisfied. It’s pure cope to insist that MJ is some magical fix it she stayed together with Peter when the comics struggled for years to make the marriage interesting

>>156165120
>was that already resolved?
Lol no.

Marvel interns have arrived boys.
And adopting the crab in a bucket mentality, let's see how it works out.

>>156164938
>we'll all be right back at Square fucking One
You're not going back to NYC town square. Enjoy your Burbank and put the IPs in the public domain bag.

>>156165093
Rude and uncalled for.
Even Wells knows Rabin was a failure lad, salvaging MJ from the manbun mess by hard retcons is pretty basic 101 shit.

Paul replaces Mephisto

Paul cucks both Reed and Namor by fucking Sue

Mayday is alive and in Warhammer 40000
She will return One Red Day and make Superman Prime at his most postal look like a pacifist.

>>156165168
Paul WAS Mephisto

Paulphisto will gain enough power to enter the real world and fist the everliving shit out of Ewing, Lowe, White and everyone who signed off on killing him off

Paul needs to be retconned. Mental/ memory manipulation or replacement MJ, dont care. Sex with Paul and the 4 years thing has to go. Chosing paul over Peter, over and over again has to go. At this point her so called "actual life development" is so toxic and incredulous there is no way it gets forgotten and will constantly be thrown back in there faces. Like even just to have her back in is life as a friend this needs to happen. MJ is damaged goods, a selfish cunt and doesn't deserve Peters time. She would have more value if they were openly antagonistic, peter should be able to throw a little shade at her, Maybe hate fucking once in a while. Like a soap opera! Its baffling to me people think memory holing this will work when they still talk about omd. A non insignificant number of fans have suffered because this, retcon for them.

>>156165073
See? You don't want to be happy, you want to wallow in shit and complain for complaining's sake.

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>>156165383
They keep talking about Soap Opera but they don't actually do Soap Opera shit.
If they are going to go full frathouse Maury tier stories, I would like to see some actual payoff to the drama. It's telling that Ben tell where MJ could walk off was the most old classic Peter setting boundaries we've seen in a while, and it was a barely trying imposter.

>>156165386
People are emotionally invested in characters and want thier stories told well.

>>156165386
I mean I'd rather good stories, but if sick may Amnesia plots are what's on the menu then shitposting is fine too.

>>156165383
Peter shouldn't go back where the BP oil spill exec times a thousand manbun has been.

>>156165404
No, they are entitled and want to be pandered towards and even then they would not be happy

>>156165431
Wanting solid character writing that's consistent with their agency driving and reacting to the plot isn't entitled, it's basic storytelling.
Basic shit has been lacking for a long while in Marvel which has been happy to coast too long, which is why it finds itself on its back from the competition which is reinventing itself and trying to please and excite the crowd.

>>156164938
>it's impossible to satisfy the fans, so just piss them off on purpose instead
Some shit you tell yourself when you don't actually want to try writing good stories because it's too hard.

>>156165480
OMD gave them carte blanche to just write gimmick shit in perpetuity because there's no wet blanket wife or responsibilities to get home to the writers need to write around anymore. It's an open door for more shallow storytelling.
Totally unnecessary as well, you could have done one-shots, flashbacks or started a new ongoing for the youthful Spider-Man that was claimed to be what people wanted. Just kept the first Ultimate going or start another one up.

>>156165383
Fuck off, intern.

Incredible how DC Comics is dabbing through this fuckery

>>156165548
It's because DC is way less full of retards than Marvel is, especially after that bald nigga Didio got kicked out, Marvel on the other hand is a rat-king of Didios or whatever that one ESL dude that constantly posts on Spiderman threads said

>>156165516
NTA but acknowledging there is even a problem with MJ's character isn't what the party line is.
Right now Spoffice is saying MJ was traumatized into that relationship which lasted canon years, but also it was all her choices and she is totally cool with things and the trauma won't affect her at all in the future. Stop criticizing product, get excited for next product. Buy her ongoing, it will have none of the things that made her popular, a new career is basically fixing the character.

Will Spiderfags bite the bait for a hundredth time and still act surprised when they get rugpulled again, or will they finally learn their lesson and stop giving Marvel their money just to get raped? Find out on the next episode of Marvel Ball Z!

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>>156165558
>>156165548
Come home anons.

>>156165567
I guarantee you at least half the fags still buying this shit are collectors wanting to get all the variant covers

>>156165585
Does ASM get new readers? The hallowed youth only seem to go the Absolute route.

>>156165579
I storytimed the marriage special anon, based Lex saved DC from a OMD because that johnny sins looking motherfucker is a marriage chad

>>156165407
>I mean I'd rather good stories
A good story will keep you occupied for ten minutes tops, a bad story will keep you occupied for decades. Remind me how long it's been since OMD?

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>>156165680
I sometimes wonder what DC thinks of Marvel adopting the plotline that they shelved for being too stupid, and then applying it to their flagship character

>>156165739
I mean we also talk about KLH and Mayday, but the emotional beats of those stories and characters have been undermined or killed in the crib, whilst OMD has been the thing under which all modern Spidey is subject to. No relationship Peter starts will matter, he will never have greater familial responsibilities than Aunt May.

>>156165748
>whilst OMD has been the thing under which all modern Spidey is subject to.

Only if you’re obsessed with OMD and can’t move on

>>156165740
>I sometimes wonder what DC thinks of Marvel adopting the plotline that they shelved for being too stupid
elaborate?

>>156165748
So why do you keep expecting the apples you have to turn into the oranges you want, instead of just ditching those apples and getting some goddamn oranges? I already know the answer, I just want to see you struggle to not say what I already know.

>>156165757
Hard to move on when it's getting referenced as we speak, and has been key jangled all these years.
If they wanted to scorch the earth, then MJ needed to have stayed away. Instead it's just a half-measure because they lacked the ability to replace her.

>>156165759
OMD was originally a Superman plot.

>>156165764
I had oranges. Then Ultimate got closed and there is no alternative anymore. Which is odd because it was outselling the mainline.

>>156165759
One More Day was a rejected superman plot, and guess which writer wanted that to big blue?

>>156165793
NTA but there's actually a lot of writers with weird hangups about happily married fictional couples, was it Brevoort about the blinking?

>>156165812
They even tried with Wally and Linda, and both rejected.

>>156165826
Peter and MJ wish they were a Wally and Linda, with a love so strong it burns demons to hold.
I wish they were. Look at how they massacred them.

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>>156162428
>(instead they attributed that entirely to Peter)
It was always attributed to Peter.
Like, the whole run is MJ consistently saying such
the issue where she gets the Jackpot outfit from Felicia and jumps out the window saying the tried and true motto should've hit you on the head

>>156165833
Wally and Linda nowadays are Ichigo and Rukia done right, and i am a orihimefag but then she is literally both merged into one

>>156165839
It got jumbled because of the kids nonsense they either need to stop mentioning entirely (why Ewing are you bringing them up again in QIB?) or actually address in a sobering how did this happen character study that actually goes into the trauma she constantly tells not shows outside two panels. MJ is on like her fifth kid, two were construct substitutes she should be having an existential crisis over, and Dylan got shipped off so that relationship is another wash. They could tie this into eventually finding Mayday again, as the hole of her loss was exploited by nefarious parties etc.

>>156165840
I fucking hate anime! Somebody translate this!

>>156165776
It barely gets mentioned in most post-OMD stories. Yet certain drama queens act like it is rubbed against their face on a weekly basis for nearly twenty years

>>156165880
that is because ur gay and hates dan mora marcuck

>>156165826
And Wally and Linda are a boring couple now where they even tried to force super powers on Linda out of desperation for something to do with her

>>156165757
Anyone willing to accept omd and move on isnt worth listening to.

>>156165886
but is temporary marshitter, always temporary.

>>156165516
You read my post and think im a marvel intern? Retard.

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>JUST ACCEPT THEIR SOULS ARE SCREAMING FOR ETERNITY AND THE DEVIL WON DAMN IT

>>156165839
So fucking lame.
The conception of her name and power is cringe at best.
It's only a call back to a older better panel.
The absolute lack of creativity and self awareness at Marvel is infuriating.

>>156165886
>boring
???

>>156165930
Some people think a couple not actively on the oust, fighting or cheating can only be boring. Because they don't appreciate what a contrast, motivation and balm SOL stuff can be in drama and superhero romps, or enjoyed for its own sake.
There's unfortunately a lot of them in Marvel still.

>>156165943
They are boring and DC's mainline is proof of this.

>>156165964
Name a couple that isn't, put your tastes up for scrutiny.

>>156165930
How are they not boring?

>>156165964
The problem with DC's mainline is not that characters are boring, its that the timeline is so fucked by multiple resets in the past 20 years that any character who doesnt have a currently active run is effectively in the Shadow Realm until an author finally picks them up and flips a coin to decide whether they ought to be 16 or 30.

I don't mind Peter Parker being a bachelor though. Spider-Man + MJ just doesn't work, let's be honest here for a second. He'd be better off dating different girls, like he did during BND, probably the best Spidey storyline of our time.

>>156166250
Shut the fuck up, Quesada.

>>156166056
That’s not true at all

>>156166405
Danny Chase is the first example that comes to mind, but there are plenty. The events of the late 00s into new 52 into everything done to unfuck new 52 has written dozens of minor characters into this ambiguous state where they certainly exist, but it is unclear exactly how their personal histories fit into the events that took place in the tighter modern timeline. JSA characters are particularly fucked this way but most of them only show up as cameos so who cares (dont think too hard about Pat Dugan either)

>>156158316
>>156158334
Without OMD… Gwenschizo is nothing…

>>156165997
Married couples work in standalone stories. In a never-ending series, forget it, unless it's an ensemble like Fantastic Four or any other team book. You can have a boring married couple when they don't have to be the draw.
>>156166056
I don't really care about continuity and support them accepting that the universe will just contradict and overwrite itself. The stories are just boring.

>>156165397
>Lowest of the Lowe: Sorry not sorry, nothing fucking happened! Nothing ever happens! Eat your fucking slop!
What a nigger. Jarvis, send him to Israel, make him kiss the wall, and then nuke Israel while all Palestinians are teleported to the Brooklyn, Bronx, and Queens neighborhoods.

>>156166515
>Danny Chase

Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel

>>156166926
you have a pitiable imagination.

>>156161601
When did this happen?

>>156167316
We have nearly a century of stories showing what works and what doesn't.

>>156167381
And OMD didn’t…

>>156166926
The flash works fine when he’s married, so does Superman and Lois. Also let’s not forget the perfect X-men couple Scott Summers and Ema Frost.

>>156167381
the marriage worked. People not moving on from aunt may were the problem. People not being mature enough to move beyond the spider man of their youth. Marriage and kids were the next step. People not embracing the Status Quo Stan laid out for them was the problem.

Spider man is about responsibility, not youth.

>>156167519
>The flash works fine when he’s married, so does Superman and Lois
Both are boring and hardly anyone reads or cares about them anymore. The most exciting Superman got recently was when he was benched and replaced with Prime. And before that when he had a battle planet arc, far removed from his wife.
>Also let’s not forget the perfect X-men couple Scott Summers and Ema Frost.
Never married. In fact their relationship started when he was married to someone else.
>>156167633
>the marriage worked.
If it had, married Spider-Man would be the definitive version of the character. No one truly believes that.
>Spider man is about responsibility, not youth.
If he becomes too responsible, he becomes boring. Stan Lee built Marvel on being "Not Brand Echh."

>>156167705
What's the best Spider-Man story in your opinion?

>>156167748
The Return of the Green Goblin/The End of Spider-Man.

>>156162421
>Why not go to hell and kick Mephisto's cunt in until he undoes the contract?
I have a better idea look ww both know that mephisto is the reason why Peter and Mary Jane are no longer together/married right. But we also know he is the cause of Gwen's death since by making the deal with norman he lead to to him becoming the Green Goblin. So why not simple have Doom and Spider-Man team up and kick mephisto's butt and thus force him to restore Peter and Mary Jane memories of the marriage. And also have him restore Gwen back to life bear in mind that norman's contract with Mephisto being cancelled does not just affect him it also effects Gwen's death. So this brings up the question "does this mean Gwen can come back? and the answer is yes.

>>156167705
>If it had, married Spider-Man would be the definitive version of the character. No one truly believes that.

We were were talking about what worked not about what was definitive, definitive and what works is all up for debate. However definitive involves taking on more responsibility.

>If he becomes too responsible, he becomes boring.

this is subjective and ultimately retarded, taking on more responsibility doesn't make it boring it adds vectors of trouble. Saying "too responsible" means you lack of imagination and are attempting to avoid the discussion.

>>156168529
>We were were talking about what worked not about what was definitive, definitive and what works is all up for debate. However definitive involves taking on more responsibility.
Newer takes on a character replace old ones which is why new Batman stories no longer resemble Kane and Finger's and new Superman stories don't resemble Siegel and Shuster's and new Wonder Woman stories don't resemble Marston and Peters's unless someone is doing a deliberate pastiche as a one-off, never as a regular thing. Married Spider-Man was tried for a while in comics, the comic strip, a few video games, and then rejected.
>this is subjective and ultimately retarded, taking on more responsibility doesn't make it boring it adds vectors of trouble. Saying "too responsible" means you lack of imagination and are attempting to avoid the discussion.
Characters who have their lives together make for stories that most people have no interest in buying. That's not subjective.

>>156168689
again, terrible take. Marriage doesn't mean he has his life together. Also people are still bitching about OMD 20 years later, the marriage wasn't rejected like you are suggesting. a small group of writers got rid of it. It wasn't rejected in the comic strip either.

>Newer takes on a character replace old ones
so much for you trying to argue about definitive versions of characters.

>>156168689
>Married Spider-Man was tried for a while in comics, the comic strip, a few video games, and then rejected.
It was rejected by Quesada crying to corporate saying it needed to be done to boost sales for fresh new stories as ASM was losing sales to USM when the real reason he wanted it done was to try and bring back Gwen Stacy

>>156168970
Thank god Tom Brevoort, Chief Editor of the X-Men, put a stop to that by threatening Joe Quesada with rape if he even tried it.

>>156165839
God, the fucking Jackpot powers are stupid and confusing, why would anybody make something like this for someone they love? Why have it have a random chance of disintegrating them?

>>156169764
Paul secretly wanted to kill her.

>>156169764
WELCOME TO THE CASINO, BITCHES! I WANT BIG SLOTS! BIG NUMBERS, BIG NUMBERS BIG NUMBERS! IF YOU LIVE IN BALTIMORE, FUCK YOOOOUUUUU!

>>156168800
>Marriage doesn't mean he has his life together.
A lot of people thought he his life was too together. Which is why he was first laid off from the Bugle and then lost his wife to a plane crash.
>Also people are still bitching about OMD 20 years later, the marriage wasn't rejected like you are suggesting. a small group of writers got rid of it. It wasn't rejected in the comic strip either.
The marriage was rejected by the people who matter: Marvel executives, editors, and writers. Fans were and continue to buy the book regardless. If BND's sales had cratered, they would have restored the marriage post-haste.
>so much for you trying to argue about definitive versions of characters.
What's considered definitive can change over time.
>>156168970
Gwen was just a side bonus. JMS was the one who wanted that more and got in a tizzy about wanting his name removed from the story when they wouldn't let it happen.

>>156170152
JMS didn't want it, he's been pretty loud about his preference for Peter/MJ.
He just didn't care for the "and it just works" method of the retcon as it would've had far more sweeping changes that should've been acknowledged as the very history of the Marvel U would change around those events.

>>156170152
>Marvel executives, editors, and writers.
Most of whom were fired and replaced just a few months before they announced OMD is being dumpstered. OMD wasn’t the law of the land because it was successful, OMD lasted as a useless sacred cow because that was what the editorial death cult wanted! Since then Marvel cancelled its most successful book out of spite, fucked up so badly that Kevin Fiege himself had to come out on the news that Dead Language wasn’t his idea, was in a situation where the thousandth issue $10 special of their biggest book came in second in dollars to a three dollar Batman book, and lost a decades long market share lead to DC. Now Marvel has to pack its bags, leave NYC, and move in with daddy Disney, which is not something that would happen because Marvel was simply TOO successful. The parent company put its foot down, made a few heads roll, and heads are in fact still in the process of rolling.

The moment cooler heads prevailed and realized, oh, my fucking job is now on the line, they ALL decided that OMD had to finally fucking go.

>>156170152
BND sales were lower than during JMS's run, but Marvel was okay with lower individual issue sales because they were selling three times a month. If they weren't pushing out more issues per year, it would have been a complete failure. It wasn't bringing in new readers, at least not more than they lost.

>>156170251
Note that Hickman’s USM was selling twice as much as ASM despite only coming out once a month. So it was cheaper to make and more profitable besides.

>>156168689
>>156170152
Are you proud of talking like a soulless executive obsessed with "brand management" and long term profit over meaningful storytelling?

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Spider-man is beyond fucked.
Unless they ignore the Mephisto shit ever happened, it's never being fixed.
Just rebooting back to a past status, married or before marriage. Comics at Marvel and DC are fucked if they don't ignore the past decade plus of garbage.

>>156161616
>Did Kamala ever find out and cut him out of her life?

Miles told her and she got upset because she’s team leader and feels like she should be responsible for this. They eventually make up

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I can't believe Gwenschizoid is still posting in these threads. Who do I turn to to have a stray Ukrainian drone "accidentally" hit his mom's house in Poland?

>>156170412
He’s really not dealing very well with the fact that OMD’s been utterly shitcanned. That was his the only comic book he actually liked.

>>156170152
>A lot of people thought his life was too together.
you are not refuting my point, marriage doesn't mean your life is too together it often makes it more chaotic. This can be true at the same time editorial makes a bad decision, which happens. Stop blaming the status quo and blame the incompetent creatives.

>The marriage was rejected by the people who matter.
>What's considered definitive can change over time.

I cant tell if I'm talking to chat bot or not. they were never going to return the marriage they hated it, hated Mary Jane and hated Peter developing into adulthood. This was a creative decision, it wasn't driven by sales.

>>156170152
>What's considered definitive can change over time.
The definitive version of Peter is still the one who's with MJ, though?

>>156170411
This feels like it should be a far bigger thing than it has been treated.
Like that's by leaps and bounds worse than the Uncle Ben regret that's still traumatizing Peter.

>>156171281
Yeah the IP has basically sidestepped the entire early BND initiative to write MJ off forever, especially that Brevoort pitch to have her only appear again but already married to someone else. In most other adaptations and certainly in the big money like the movies and vidya, MJ and Peter are the end game.
The comics are the odd one out and haven't got the story yet that justifies it.

>>156158316
>let's keep them divorced
Anon they never got divorced because post-BND they never made it to the altar. Worse, her secret condition forcing Mephisto to never fuck with Peter again so long as he lives broke the moment Spider-Man's BEST BUDDY Deadpool fulfilled a contract hit on Peter not knowing they're the same person (he never did and still doesn't). Yeah, Peter was brought back to life but MJ's clause is null and void now and Mephisto's free to screw him over.

>>156171360
I don't know what you're on about anon, there's a bunch of stories that justify One More Day, like

>>156163664
>You have to kill off Jean in a way that's not undoable or you're fired

>>156163693
It’s why it was so funny that Slott wrote for so long, they wanted a single Peter but gave the franchise to a man who’s never been on a date. It’s been twenty years and I can’t think of a single good Peter being single story

>>156171454
And there's plenty of 616 post-OMD love interests for Peter who, whilst their romance didn't work out it was great to read like

>>156164109
>they did Avengers #200 again
No one pays attention to what #200 actually did because they didn't read the fucking comics it referenced where a writer was ordered to get rid of Carol by Jim Shooter himself, and the story had her become severely retarded and run off to a pocket dimension with a guy she barely knew while the Avengers all smiled and waved bon voyage. INTENSELY shitty, vengeful writing, and as the guy who'd written the lion's share of Carol's adventures yeah Claremont was going to put the thumbscrews to the EiC who'd put Dark Phoenix under a microscope. Jim deserved it and he let the crass stupidity be called out for what it was.

>>156158316
I wonder how poorly amazing 1000 sold for them to do this

>>156171609
And it has many parallels to the hows and whys of Dead Language, complete with the burning red flag of consent considering the matters of Immortus mind control and the Emissaries 'chains'.
Then Claremont brought Carol back to scream at the Avengers for wishing her bon voyage when she needed a rescue.

>>156171703
It lost in dollars to a $3 Batman issue.

>>156171703
Let's be real, this was planned months in advance, which is why I don't have any high hopes for it.

>>156171960
I don't trust the last droppings of the Shoguns scattershot of events.

>>156165558
>that one ESL dude that constantly posts on Spiderman threads
Who?

This isn't going to matter. ASM isn't going to be fixed, nor instantly get good overnight

>>156171987
The guy in the OP, Gwenschizo. He mostly just bleats gibberish about Gwen Stacy nonstop. He’s from Poland and bragged about being a pedophile a few times.

>>156172000
The absolute best most undeserved good faith argument is a tepid step to a right direction, albeit under the people who got you lost in the first place.
In some respects it would be better if they didn't, they can easily botch or go out of their way to sabotage what comes next and we're in an even longer Mackie era of separation again.

>>156172104
Don't think Gwenschizo talks about DiDio and how it relates to marvels current predicament, that's more my drum. Since /co/ is so slow nowadays it's just the same group of guys shitposting about ASM.

>>156170228
Quesada said that he wanted to undo Sins Past and her death https://www.cbr.com/the-one-more-day-interviews-with-joe-quesada-pt-3-of-5/
>>156170239
You're in for a great disappointment, you're completely misunderstanding what story Kelly's telling here. Peter's not going to be married to Mary Jane by the end of it.
>>156170307
Hickman gets paid way more than the usual freelancers, it's why they pulled him off of Ultimates mid-arc over a decade ago, it's not necessarily cheaper.
>>156170361
If you want meaningful storytelling, read a creator-owned story. Spider-Man is a corporate product, always was.
>>156170865
Every creative in the world is "incompetent" then. They have to work with what they have.
>This was a creative decision, it wasn't driven by sales.
If Spider-Man sales had fallen to cancellation levels, they would have had no choice but to go back on it.
>>156171281
She's typically around, but not necessarily the one he's meant to end up with. "Mary Jane" doesn't even exist in the MCU. He didn't get back together with Michelle in the last one.

>>156164434
Or in the Mexican comic

>>156164938
>would be satisfied for a grand total of five minutes, ten tops. Then they'd just find new stuff to complain about and we'll all be right back at Square fucking One.
Get fucked Tom

>>156164962
Show me the fan anger at Peter David's Spidey

>>156165997
nta but Ben Grimm and Alicia

>>156165129
>Marvel interns have arrived boys
Are you fucking kidding, this is Slott and Brevoort

>>156172192
Imagine the first bullpen adopting this mentality.
If there was one thing Stan knew, it was how to please a crowd. Why do you think he just made OMD all a dream in the strip that continued on?

>>156165191
No no I like this idea: Mephisto gets dethroned for his ridiculous man-crush on Peter then Paul takes his place

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>>156025788
Spider-Man saved Spin in his own damn run. This is Ziglar Miles at the height of his anime bullshit and Black Panther crossovers, and he had to be saved by Peter. Miles also jobbed to Norman after his training, Vibranium suit and 5 other spiders helping him out.

>>156165199
While Prime floats by, arms folded

>>156172150
>Peter's not going to be married to Mary Jane by the end of it.
I know. But I still think OMD should be shitcanned anyways.

>>156165431
Still having trouble closing on a home, Nick?

>>156165579
That page was fucking brutal

>>156172150
>She's typically around, but not necessarily the one he's meant to end up with.
The vast majority of shows or films are about a teenage Peter, and the only ones which go past that line, like TAS, ITSV, the Raimi films and the MCU films, all have MJ being framed as the main love interest for him.

>He didn't get back together with Michelle in the last one.
I mean, Michelle's clearly going to catch feelings for him again in future installments, and I doubt any of Tom Holland's possible future love interests like Jean or Felicia would have enough have staying power in comparison.

>>156172150
>Spider-Man is a corporate product, always was.
OMD was supposed to be the gateway to better stories thougheverbeit

>>156172451
Better stories like Pedo Paul Rabin, apparently.

>>156172476
Comic historians looking back are going to have two pages for the BND era bookends.
The one with Peter begging Norman for a super suit to beat the angry Vulture, and Chicken Korma.
Evergreen, it is not.

>>156172451
We have way better stories nowadays than before One More Day, the one I enjoyed the most was

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>>156172205
Right here from the man himself.

>>156164962
>I hope it doesn't take too long for the new editorial to realize how futile trying to please Spider-Man fans is.
Spider-Man fans are incredibly easy to please.
Look at everyone hyping up Kelly because he had Peter punch out Vulture. Something he routinely did with ease

>The metaphysical reason for why MJ got with Paul in the first place and ended up choosing him most of the time over Peter is because Paul is supposed to be the Peter of his universe
How would you guys feel if this was the case?

>>156173067
Save it for when AO3 is back up

>>156173029
People’s expectations are rock bottom after Zeb Wells.

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So we should look at this pretty pragmatically.

Marvel clearly authorized all of this. They're the final say, there's no sneaking all the scripts and art by, this isn't like the old X-Men series with Larry Houston just giving the suits fake names to sneak characters in.

You could say this is key-jangling for sales. It very likely is. But how far are they going to jangle the keys? Zdarsky has been given a lot of opportunity for status quo rewrites and resets, including bringing back Miracleman. They have clearly given him a lot of Tom King-esque wiggle room.

Speditorial would never normally permit the cessation of OMD-induced status quo if they're the ones in charge. Paul had to be removed indirectly via Venom's editorial influence once that became its own faction.

It's highly likely Zdarsky either saw Venom editorial's success on his own, or he's been coordinating with other editorials to see what's possible.

So the clear move would be, of course, to go even further over Speditorial than Venom editorial. Avengers editorial. That's a lot more influence, especially with the upcoming movie.

And Speditorial would still be kept up to date because Spider-Man is there, even if they have limited authority over what happens there.

I think that's what Ravage is for.

I think OMD will be undone, and Speditorial's response will be to fuck that up with Ravage His ability to alter memories and the caveat that it can kill Aunt May if he messes with her head too much means Speditorial will go in one of two directions:

1. Begrudging concession at a price. OMD is undone. No more deal. Mephisto mutters something about how Aunt May isn't safe anymore right when Ravage does something to her head and kills her. Boom, "new" status quo.

2. Re-enforced status quo. Ravage fucks with Peter and MJ's memories so now they're still apart for a new reason that requires writing around a character no one else knows how to write with a power that kills people if misused.

>>156173158
Thank you for the insightful post Xavier.

>>156173158
Thank you Xavier.
I would question however if Avengers editorial are given more influence, as I would think the biggest earner in the line would be the biggest shot, so undeserved on the shoulders of giants as it is ASM is still its own fiefdom within.
I think Chip is a OMD apologist and is just leaving Lucy with the ball, and expecting Kelly to let it kick clean is a fools game Charlie Brown.

Don't expect anything good to come out of this.

>>156173140
People are just thankful there isn't more to add to the collage of shitposting material DChads can mine for years from Wells.

>>156173067
Sounds like the dumbest shit I've read today and Gwenschizo exists.

>>156173272
>I would question however if Avengers editorial are given more influence, as I would think the biggest earner in the line would be the biggest shot, so undeserved on the shoulders of giants as it is ASM is still its own fiefdom within.
While Spider-Man is a larger individual property, the Avengers is the one with a big blockbuster movie coming out in a month. Marvel reportedly keeps changing shit to synergize despite Feige telling them to quit it, which means their priorities will go towards whatever is the next earner.

Additionally, Spider-Man's bad luck is largely from an X-Men rights situation where Marvel doesn't fully own Spider-Man's movie rights thanks to Sony. Despite his sales, the character is a bit lower priority.

They see an Avengers movie coming up and will see Avengers comics as what sells. They're gonna do whatever they can to keep the Avengers editorial moving and putting comics out that they think will draw eyes. If they were willing to let Zdarsky remake Miracleman, a character Marvel explicitly did not want to fucking touch not just because of Gaiman's influence but also because they were paranoid about the legal rat king his rights looked like, they're going to have also been willing to hand him the big Mephisto-shaped football.

And I do not see what happens after as anything universally "good." There will be a caveat no matter what. Speditorial gets the final say in the Spider-Man comics, it's just a matter of what they prefer for optics.

>>156173456
All fair points, thanks for effort post anon.
Safe to say business as usual can't continue if you are at least perceived as the weak man in the industry.

>>156173158
I don’t think Marvel cares about OMD as much as fans think they do
Spencer was going to undo it but fucked himself by having Peter buy a ring and want to propose and from the manifesto we know he’s not allowed a stable relationship

I can easily see Ravage being used as you say
I actually want Kelly to go all in and have Peter’s memories wiped for a character study continuing his nature vs nurture with Peter and Cormac
Who is Peter Parker without the guilt and memories of those who died to teach him the lessons he needed to learn

>>156173067
The worst thing to do at this point is mention paul at all

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>>156163693
>It's the one thing they've been consistent about for decades.
The fuck are you on about?

Peter and MJ started dating in 1974, got married in 1987, then got OMD'd in 2007. Peter had tons of girls in his 64 years of print history, but it wasn't the most consistent thing about him, him being tied down to Mary Jane ended up being what used to be consistent. It is fucking over now, but it doesn't erase the pastl

>>156173500
>I don’t think Marvel cares about OMD as much as fans think they do
The higher-ups? I agree. Speditorial? They want OMD because they want Peter to be a perpetual 20-teen loser struggling to pay rent with no one to love him because unless a superhero is a historical wifeguy they don't want them in a committed, stable relationship (it upsets the fanfiction writers, you see).

If Marvel cared about OMD in either direction, Zdarsky and other editorials wouldn't be able to make this play.

>>156173552
Marvel hates relationships in general and sees them only as fuel for drama
People forget they were going to shit all over Reed and Sue but the reaction to OMD scared them

>>156173568
Like I said, they need to be historically some kind of wifeguy. Reed/Sue, Luke/Jessica, and technically Remy/Rogue are the big ones. You could argue Bruce/Betty but they find brand new excuses for those two to hate each other all the time.

>>156173568
They already had Ultimate to quench their thirst for shitting all over Reed and Sue, it wasn't going to happen in 616 either way.

I don't think Peter and MJ will get together but I think they could have a one night stand resulting in MJ getting pregnant and making Peter a cuck who is stuck paying child support for the rest of his life.

>>156173593
Luke was never a wife guy until the 00s. Remy was definitely not a wife guy, him and Rogue were for pure yearners. The biggest reason they're married is because people hate it when Rogue or Gambit are with literally anyone else.

Spider-Man writers could learn a thing or two about writing married couples from Rogue and Gambit. First, people like it when their favorite couples like to fuck. Second, in-law drama is great. Rogue's moms hating Remy is awesome. Why can't we get more with MJ's family? They don't need to hate Peter, just bring them around to make things interesting. I wish we got more of MJ's mom trying to fuck Uncle Ben in Ultimate.

>>156158334
So wait are angels coming to murder Aunt May now that the saving her life part of the deal isn't applying any more?
What the fuck God?

>>156173853
Peter and MJ did nothing but fuck
It’s how we know Peter is in to tying up MJ and that he likes eating her out and that MJ sometimes does the “mommy” stuff

>>156173958
I know the first two but where's the third? Was it that one flirtation panel in the bedroom?
From what I've read, Peter is a service top and MJ is a strong sub.

>>156173853
>The biggest reason they're married is because people hate it when Rogue or Gambit are with literally anyone else.
This generally happens to most characters that get a 'main' pairing over time, when too many iconic or popular runs hit that sweet spot. And over time seeing them with anyone else outside of an alt or elseworld is grating to the audience.
The exception would be perhaps Dick because he ended up in a tug of war between offices, although Barb certainly gets to enjoy a monopoly.
It's why you'll find a smorgasboard of apathetic fans for Shay and Pedro, loathers for Paul and Carlie but Chat generally enjoys a warm reception. She was doing her own thing with her own Peter, and not intruding or being a block in a longrunning 616 which has long been decided.

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>>156173905
That bitch was suppose to have died in ASM #400; she literally has it coming.

>>156173905
>>156174380
>TOAA goes full Arthur
>I TOLD YOU
>NOT
>TO
>TAKE IT

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>>156167377
2019 IRL

>>156174411
How did Miles fans take getting even THIS as sloppy second-hand stuff?

>>156174467
They don't read.

>>156165839
No it fucking wasn't lol

The comic that page comes from has her deciding to be a hero for those stupid kids after deliriously coming to the conclusion that the parasitic totem golems that MJ was told to her face were designed to make her more vulnaerable to being tracked and killed WERE actually somehow real and in need of saving after all and that she's doing it for their memory.
Peter's only contribution is that "she gets it now".

That's a big difference between attributing her desire to be hero solely to him rather than the trash that we did get.

>>156174520
So much fanon gets used to fill in the blanks of what's ultimately a mess of too many cooks, cooking with rat poison.

>>156173067
I mean it sill would have sucked.
Especially when Futurama did it better lol

>>156173958
One of the many issues with current Peter is he's not sexual. When he's "dating" someone, there is no sexual chemistry being portrayed at all. Even when they had less freedom to depict that kind of stuff in the 60s and 70s, Peter was still more assertive with women in a way that suggested he was a guy who wanted to fuck. Peter hasn't been a guy who fucks since OMD.

>>156173029
Tbf, that kind of is an accomplishment after Peter outright lost to the Vulture by being reduced to begging for his life and for Norman to save him.

For that matter, Peter never won even one one-on-one fight for the entirety of Wells' run (except when he was evil, that's it). Not one.

So whilst the bar is in hell, it does make sense that Spider-Man fans are happy Kelly at least writes Peter as capable of winning at least ONE fight.

Aside from the Peter and MJ stuff, Wells really was godawful at everything else too.

>>156174606
Heck, Peter has implicitly fucked Felicia twice during Kelly's tenure, as well as Raelith.

All of them had the sexual energy of a dead sloth.

>>156174574
I also thought of that one Futurama plot, but that was done with actual planning and execution, this would require so many retcons and cause too many problems that you might as well retcon the whole mess. Paul can't be playdoed into Peter, no matter how many times Wells and Ewing tried to draw a false equivalency.

>>156174606
Peter is so very passive. I feel like if anyone were to come on strong and told he was in a relationship, he would be in a relationship. And if the relationship ends, then he won't have any hard feelings about that either. It's the antithesis of romance, he has no agency or moves beyond being late for dates. Gross and tiresome to read.

>>156174634
It's a page so infamous and degrading, it's the kind of an ironic hell Mephisto would devise.
Calling the killer of your child to beg, it reads like a greentext.

>>156164962
Hey Marvel employee, the internet existing for longer stretches of time means people have been exposed to more and more opinions over time and thus, people are also exposed to more info and more primary and secondary sources. I can pull up the 2007/08 con panel where Guggenheim makes that rape joke or when Slott made jokes/tweets about wanting to beat people up IRL. Nobody guaranteed all this new information gathering would be nice and orderly and go in accordance with Marvel's faggot ideology. Hollywood braindead retards love to box every consumer into a meaningless mass of shit and dismiss anything worthwhile. Slott and Marvel loves this underageb& tactic because they are stunted manchildren who cling to a world long gone. Yes, I know where we are. But do they?