Is there's anything worth reading besides sexy gypsy Wanda and Perez art?
>>156201244The cover makes it seem not very good.
>>156201244It's the last Avengers run that feels like the Avengers.
>>156201244Yes it has some great Carol stuff in it
>>156201262Your post makes you seem not very good
>>156201312New Avengers pre Civil War kinda feels Avengers-like if you ignore Bendis dialogue
>>156201353>Sprays with water bottleBad!
>>156201368Hey it gave people what they wanted - Spider-Man and Wolverine in the team
>>156201388Zdarsky please go and stay go
Man, 90s Tony armours were ugly. Thank gods fir the extremis one
>>156201388Who asked for that?
>>156201353People tend to forget how solid that run was. There was a time Bendis was reined in and couldn't do whatever he wanted.
>>156201312I agree with this statement. But I also like geoff johns avengerse.
>>156201388Spider-Man & Logan can carry their own books, The Avengers is for jobbers who can't!
>>156201543The one that ruined She-Hulk?
>>156201627Is not that bad.
>>156201655It's not good.
>>156201244it's good, if you like avengers. as a comic on its own, it's okay, nothing special. it's very serviceable
>>156201529Most people?2 of the most popular heroes in the Avengers? Fuck yea
>>156201244Its quite good, not as strong as thomas's run, but still a top 4 avengers run.>>156201312Id say johns's run still feels like avengers, though its at that border.>>156201353Not really ngl. Spider-Man and wolverine do nothing to an extent no classic avengers run would. And you dont have much..plot.>>156201542Idk, to me its the opposite? Id say the post civil war stuff was stronger.>>156201388And then had them do nothing.
>>156201353>>156201388>>156201542Actually I think Bendis' New Avengers became good *after* the Civil War status quo.I liked it when NA became about Luke Cage and Iron Fist and friends on the run after Cap dies and the Mighty Avengers go after them. It worked with Secret Invasion through Dark Reign. Bendis' Avengers run *should have* ended with Norman losing at SiegeEarly New avengers does not hold up: Bendis did not gel with David Finch to the point that its unclear whats happening in certain action scenesAnd that "The Collective" story where Alpha Flight is slaughtered was straight ASS
>>156201244It's one of the best eras and one of the last time it felt like the real avengers
>>156201244Well it depends, anon. Are you a fan of Bronze Age comics? Did your dad tell you stories about his friar’s club meetings and thought it’d make for excellent superhero stories? If so you might like it. I’ve tried reading it countless times because I’m a huge iron man fag but could only make it to around issue 12 because I thought it was dull as fuck. But I’m also a child of the 90s/2000s and prefer things with an edge so the poster-child of the “dad comics” movement of the late 90s was probably never gonna scratch my itch anyway.
>>156201312>>156204493True. And Marvel had to literally nuke the concept to make it interesting
It really is surprising just how different pre and post 2000s marvel feels
>>156204735They act like functioning adults in the pre and petty assholes in the post.
>>156201244The best
>>156201244I agree with other anons this is the last run where the avenngers as a team feel like the classic team. after this run it feels like a totally different and more casual thing. They operate like a real organization with offfficials, they communicate and strategize, they speak like adults. The modern stuff barely feels like a team it feells like whoever has some legacy members can just at any time declare they are the offficial avengers at any given moment.
>>156205163>>156205568Yeah…boring. Why do you think Marvel shipped them off to Rob Liefeld in the 90s?
>>156205711Its not boring you can still filter all the modern events through that lense and it would dramatically work much the same. Stuff like civil war loses impact when everyone is wrong due to immaturity the drama doesnt work the same when communication itself is the conflict. Makinng them more reasonable doesnt eliminate the possibility for disagreement annd drama it just means the prose has to be better. Your line of thinking is exactly why it was decided whedon was perfect for the mcu avengers then you rewatch it now and realize how cringy it is.
I miss the Avengers
I judge Avengers runs purely on how kind they are to Hank.
>>156204356Agreed. The original run is really weak and rudderless.
>>156205711Even Rob Liefeld understood the Avengers better than your 00s Edgeslop and Bendislop
>>156207424I mean you can say a lot about Rob, but I never got the impression he didn't not want to make comic books instead of trying to get that TV deal.
>>156207424I think above all else, bendis just couldnt write team books, personally.
it's good if you like avengers, but as an overall comic it's mehavengers as a whole are the epitome of everything that makes comic books crap
>>156208251Cant say i agree there. On both counts lol. But you know, i in fact like comic books.
Sheer kino.
>>156204592I'm also a child of the 2000s (2003), and ngl, i think this style of comic is really fun. A team book that balances the drama between the different members, rather than just being a book about one (i like hickman's ff, but its really the reed book for example), its a comic that isnt trying to be a tv show or a movie. Not to say those styles cant work, but its just neat having one that is unabashedly written for the team, rather than trying to turn it into something it wasnt.
>>156208236Bendis reminds me, if you took Keith Giffen's style and then removed everything good about it. He wants to have that same kind of zippy back and forth dynamic but he can't do voice. He can't really do nuance.
>>156208324I think bendis has a niche, he's good at writing gritty crime stories, where the fact he has like 3 voices and isnt a plot driven guy doesnt matter because he's quite good at doing that niche. He's always struggled with more straightfoward superhero fare, especially when you add more characters (can you genuinely tell the new avengers characters apart, just off dialogue?)
>>156207496No Rob definitely wanted to get TV and movie deals, and at times that kind of affected his creator-owned stuff. But I go back and look at his stuff and they still feel like comics moreso than a lot of 2000s era comics
>>156208358Desu rob had co-writers.
>best avengers show takes the most from busiek and bendisSurprisingly it works.
>>156208369Its take on Secret Invasion kind of had more to do with Waid's than Bendis's
>>156208381Didn't Busiek do Secret Invasion in Astro City before either of them?
>>156208388This whole business has existed as long as there have been skrulls. it's the main obvious plot hook. alien body snatching clones is basic sci fi.
>>156208381While true, it still has many of its beats in regards to iron man, and the final battle with the skrull survivors bonding togheter as thor comes back.But in general you get a lot of bendis stuff>Avengers formed after a breakout>episode about the new avengers>ulrton's speech lifted verbatiumAnd a lot of busiek stuff>"we would have words with thee">writing of hank in general as well as his and jan's dynamic being flawed on both ends>kang and captain america being framed as foils for each other>ionic wonder man
>>156208420>ionic wonder manHe was always ionic thoughever
>>156208369True
>>156208445Yeah but he looked like a guy, not made out of energy
>>156201244I didn't like it at all. My stopping point for Avengers is #324 which is years before KB+GP came on. But I will say funnily enough I do really like the JLA/Avengers mini from the same team.
>>156208664Why didnt you like it, and why is that your stopping point, if i can ask?
>>156201543>>156201655Agreed>>156201627Wah.
>>156201627Did it? The run undoes it itself.
>>156208721No it doesn't Slott has to pick up the pieces years later, by that time it's already too late becasue she turned the Avenger's mansion into her very own personal fuckpad.
>>156208817No, by the end of johns she isnt female bruce anymore, and is essentially backto her old self. Bendis then repeats the beat. That's the thing slott wrote after.
>>156208828I'm just saying Johns sowed the dumb skank seeds and Slott harvested the slut crops.
>>156208845Ah, you meant her being slutty, not her being bruce. I guess?
>>156208400But when was it first applied to superheroes?
>>156208909Fantastic Four #2.
>>156208420>>"we would have words with thee"Never not gonna be mad the movie skipped this
>>156208664>I didn't like it at all.>at allSee I'm not gonna sit here and say it needs to be your top 1 comic run of all time but you're going to need to explain your shit if you don't see any value in it. Especially if you're posting THE CROSSING era.
>>156208361Yeah and one of his co-writers on Avengers was Loeb.
>>156201627>She-Hulk reverting to her original concept of having a human alter-ego like Hulks do is "ruining She-Hulk"Stop blaming Johns' Avengers for what Slott did with She-Hulk afterwards. Or just admit that the idea of your giant green waifu suddenly turning back into a human is killing your boner and that "ruins the character" for you.
>>156209013Not that anon, but he posted "The Crossing Line", which is a completely separate storyline to "The Crossing" from about four years earlier. It's not as good as The Crossing thoughever.
>>156209002The real avengers.
>>156201244I tried it out several years back and I didn't enjoy it at all.
>>156205865>I judge Avengers runs purely on how kind they are to Hank.I suppose that would make this run well-intentioned, but it opened doors that should have stayed closed, leading to unintended consequences in later runs.
>>156201244>Is there's anything worth reading besides sexy gypsy Wanda and Perez art?At it's best it's like a homage to the glory years of 1970s Avengers, the Englehart, Shooter and Michelinie runs, so it's a shame that most people will never read any of those and never look past this as the only pre-Benis Avengers run most people know.Busiek is one of those writers like Claremont who writes like he's being paid per word and has to describe through dialogue or narration things the art is clearly showing you, and he and Brevoort really should've been mature enough to just leave past storylines and characters they didn't like alone instead of bringing them back up just to retcon the stories and kill the characters. People who didn't like them in the first place didn't want to be reminded, people who did like them didn't want that, and nobody wants really to pay to read two guys imposing their view on what Avengers characters, history and continuity should and shouldn't be.The bankruptcy-era Marvel inking and coloring meant Perez's work would look a lot better elsewhere, and the stories were frequently playing to getting him to put as many characters per panel as possible a lot, but you're right, that Wanda though. At the time that was the sexiest heroine costume in cape comics and not much has come close since. But even that was marred by pairing her up with Wonder Man for most of the run in an early example of Brevoort trying to intentionally make readers angry.
>>156209002If its still Perez he must had a worse day as the art is kinda ugly.
I miss the 70s era with Beast and Wonder Man in Avengers. Seems to be mostly forgotten today
>>156201244Mediocre and boring capeshit.
>>156210689No
>>156210506Dunno you gotta address the crossing.
>>156209788Nobody likes mousy Jen.
Like everyr un it has positives>Best kang ever>Properly menacing ultron>Good hank and janet writing>firestar is a fun precenseBad>Outside of the big two arcs and tow others some of the stories are a bit forgettable>the team is a bit too large at times>focuses more on explaining bad stories sometimes than telling new ones
>>156210694Bad bot.
>>156210642I saw a meme about avengers beast
>>156210689>>156211533Mediocre Botslop pretending to be a critic spotted
>>156210623It's George Perez pencils with Al Vey inks.
best avengers run imoeverything culminated in JLA Avengers which is a natural ending point for both DC and Marvel
>>156201244I hate all of these people...
>>156212853Fag
>>156211517Wonder man/Wanda is on the bad front too>>156212853Why
>>156210196I don't blame good writers for later hacks trampling their good work. You can make that argument about any anything. Have Hank Pym curing cancer.
>>156210196What doors?
What are you guy's favorite avengers run?
>>156214503He thinks just because Busiek readdressed Pym's mental issue that it opened the gates for Bendis to make the rest of the world treat him like a wife beater again. >>156214803This one. Then Roger Stern. Then Lee/Kibry.
>>156214973>He thinks just because Busiek readdressed Pym's mental issue that it opened the gates for Bendis to make the rest of the world treat him like a wife beater again.Which is dumb because Millar was the one who set it off, and it didn't seem like he was following Avengers at this time (and wouldn't have needed to since he was doing an AU with Ultimates). Millar just said he liked the idea of a manic-depressive wife-beater standing next to Captain America in posters. Once Millar did it, that opened the floodgates to people pushing the Hank beats Jan narrative
>>156215332The sad truth is I think Pym was always in for a bad time when this batch of writers started to take hold. The way they write they love a scapegoat. They love a punching bag. An Hank is that right level of well known while not being an A lister combined with baggage.
>>156214973>thinking bendis read a singular thing from busiek's run>thinking bendis read a singular avengers comic at all, beyond comic fan meme-idea.Lol, lmao
>>156216017Bendis did read the Byrne WCA run but not the Thomas stories that wrapped up the Wanda loses her kids storyline, which ended with Agatha restoring her memories.
>>156215332>Hank beats Jan narrativeThe worst part is that it's not even multiple times but one time. They don't even justify opening it up again because it was a one time issue that was resolved decades ago. Suddenly Jan hates Pym for something that happened years ago for them and they moved on from. I think they at least had Pym get mad and snap at her but when it came to abuse it was always that one slap.
>>156216084I'm not sure he actually even read that, or if he just had a description of it (like he heard that happened). Only way it makes sense to me ngl.
>>156216017>>156216084Bendis definitely read>Byrne WCA>Avengers Annual #10If he read/understood anything beyond Byrne's WCA run it doesn't showSimilarly I think Millar was more of a DC guy though he did start out reading Spider-Man. I don't believe he read much Marvel from the 90s, if at all. I also don't think Chuck Austen read much Marvel from the 90s either. So it's ridiculous to blame Busiek for bringing it up when he actually put effort into resolving it, when none of those guys that came after showed that they read it.
>>156201312Geoff Johns run felt pretty Avengersy
>>156216263I dont think he read annual 10 either, like the way it was referenced screams "i heard it from other fans"Millar i think stopped reading marvel in the 80s, but he has read some avengers clearly. But spider-man is clearly the one character he kept reading looking at marvel knights.
>>156210980>Dunno you gotta address the crossing.Tony and Jan were already back to normal before the run started. They had to address that eventually, but they didn't have to address anything else if they hated it that much.As a general rule, if you're going to follow up on unresolved plots from earlier runs, readers who spent money on those comics deserve a proper resolution that someone who actually enjoyed them might enjoy. Not just retconning the whole thing away with a "lol who cares". This has happened a few times at Marvel and every time it's a worse read than the "hated" story they're trying to get rid of.Also, invalidation of a previous creative team's OCs by dismissing them as just being clones or alien shapechangers or whatever, that's worse than just killing a character, as you're preventing any chance of them ever coming back, and them ever getting adapted or merch and any chance, however slim of their creators ever getting any royalty money out of them. It's the ultimate dick move a writer or editor can pull in a shared universe. Which is no more than we should expect from Brevoort really.
>>156216263You can usually work out the old Marvel comics Bendis had actually read by the way he'd keep referencing them in his work, like Iron Man #150. So he may indeed have read Avengers #200, or at least read Claremont's sequel/retcon to it in Annual #10, and to have the mistaken belief he had about Byrne's crazy Wanda plot not having a resolution, he must have been reading the book when Byrne was drawing, dropped out when Byrne left, and paid no attention to what happened afterwards.The Hank Pym point was that Busiek opened up a can of worms about Hank's mental health, the slap, and the Yellowjacket identity, all things that had been resolved long ago, and had all Hank's stories in the late 90s and early 2000s revolving around these things all over again, at a time when Avengers was selling really well. To argue that this was no influence at all on Millar, Austen, Bendis or anyone else when it had taken over Hank's narrative again for years just feels like people are in denial. Even if you weren't reading the book, if you just read solicits or read Wizard you'd pick up the basics on what was going on with Hank.
>>156216839Wizard was the worst kind of rag. They were always that kind of sensationalist out of context bullshit you'd see in a modern youtube video bitching about stuff devoid of context for hits.
>>156210506>homage to the glory years of 1970s Avengers, the Englehart, Shooter and Michelinie runsMore like Stern. Some of the plot beats were the same, like Trial of Yellowjacket vs Court Martial of Carol Danvers. And Busiek brought Stern in to co-plot Avengers Forever (maybe my favorite cape story ever).>But even that was marred by pairing her up with Wonder Man for most of the run in an early example of Brevoort trying to intentionally make readers angryThe Wanda/Vizh/Simon triangle was part of Busiek’s original pitch which was printed in collections, and he framed it as an opportunity for Vision to work through his repressed humanity. Something Harras hadn't properly sold after Byrne's White Vision. It's just drama and character development. There's certainly a fine line when trying to stretch a property without breaking it in order to generate reader interest without alienating people. But the Brevoort quote, about Bendis, was just post-hoc cope.
>>156216839Bendis absolutely didnt read busiek, because busiek textually wrote wanda saying the idea of changing stuff becuase its bad is wrong and something they couldnt do in jla/avengers. Bendis did it ,because that's the one thing he knew about hank, same way the one thing he knew about wanda was the fake kids/magneto's daugther/married a dishwasher, or that tony was an alcoholic, ect.>>156216865Ill give bendis one credit, the time he shat on wizard's interview about undoing the spider-marriage.
>>156210506>nobody wants really to pay to read two guys imposing their view on what Avengers characters, history and continuity should and shouldn't be.I thought we were talking about busiek, not bendis.
>>156216938If Bendis DID read Busiek then he most certainly went out of the way to just do the exact opposite of what was built. He's like ANTI-Busiek.
>>156216922>There's certainly a fine line when trying to stretch a property without breaking itDoing a love triangle where the audience generally wants to see two characters together and you have one of them paired up with a third blocking character for years is something that does lasting damage though. There's a reason writers never had Sue actually get together with Namor even at times when she and Reed were separated, and why Jean/Logan never happened until Marvel went full retard with Krakoa. Once you cross that line you can't go back. It's not "just drama", and it's not "character development" in any positive sense of the word. It's ultimately just the same thing as MJ/Paul was, and it doesn't deserve a free pass just because it happened in a popular run.After Wanda and Vision had been separated by Byrne years ago, and kept in separate books for years, and were finally on the road to a reunion before Heroes Reborn, the Heroes Return book would have had enough to work with carrying on with that plot, instead of doing an awful love triangle nobody wanted, and which went in a direction that by Brevoort's own admission, was intended to make readers angry, and that admission was printed in an Avengers book before Bendis was even at Marvel.If Busiek's idea was that it would be positive character development for two characters to go have relationships with other people and then come back to each other afterwards, the man must have some weird ideas about relationships. And then he bailed on the book before the "come back to each other" part anyway.
>>156217087Given that busiek wrote vision/wanda in jla/avengers, the book he did with almost no real editoiral oversight, and that breevort pushed wanda/simon YEARS after busiek, while allowing the destruction of everything busiek had done...i think its a breevort thing, than a busiek thing.
>>156217113>He was just following orders>That excuse works every time.Be that as it may, Busiek and Remender both wrote those comics and put their names to them, the same way Wells and Kelly have been writing whatever Lowe wants in the Spider-Man books.
>>156217161>lowe>giving ordersLol, lmao even. Lowe doesnt gaf.Anyways. Sure. And id even agree its the worst part of busiek's avengers, im just saying, the common denominator isnt busiek. (Especially since bendis, also leant on it)
>>156208845That's just not true anon, Johns wasnt on the book long enough. Jen lost control because of Jack Of Hearts radiation during Red Zone, and the next arc was Hunt for She Hulk, where she does Bruce's old saw, on the run and unable to control her Hulk form. The slut stuff was all Slott.
>>156217087Wanda and Simon were over after the Nefaria arc. Kang Dynasty was the official end. Wanda said she loved Vision but was worried he'd moved on. And Johns, the very next writer, quickly positioned them closing the gap. It was just the kind of fan service Johns is famous for. Austen blew it all up.
>>156217483Austen didnt have wanda or vision say anything? He blew up the hank/jan stuff.
>>156217283No you see, she kisses clint once afterwards, so slut.
>>156217502Word, my bad. Austen didn't even use Vision. Bendis mothballed him and ruined Wanda. As, you say, Austen blew up Hank/Jan. Good grief, Jan & Clint, how goofy.
>>156217628More so he blew up the way it was being setup between busiek and johns. But yeah, very odd lol, hank and clint were quite good friends before, they're divorce bros. Being fair, dissasmbled pairs janet and hank back up, and secret invasion has "real hank" mourning janet and breaking down (and later on during her return had her kiss him alongside the other guys), so i dnot think he was "as" against it, even if he didnt clearly care for either.I think a lot of the writing of wanda by bendis is rooted in her marrying a "robot" like vision, he uses spider-man as his mouthpiece there.I do wonder, what would have happened with avengers, if bendis never wrote it.
>>156217805>I do wonder, what would have happened with avengers, if bendis never wrote it.One can only dream. Marvel might be a very different place if he wasn't there. Imagine No Civil War.
>>156218122Civil war was more millar desu, so it might have still happened.
>>156215332Love that iron man design
>>156217483Cute
>>156216839>To argue that this was no influence at all on Millar, Austen, Bendis or anyone else when it had taken over Hank's narrative again for years just feels like people are in denial. Even if you weren't reading the book, if you just read solicits or read Wizard you'd pick up the basics on what was going on with Hank.Are you smoking crack or something? Wizard was already making jokes about Hank beating Jan long before Busiek even got to addressing that part in his Avengers run. This is from Wizard #65, which was out in stores in December 1997 (the month the Busiek/Perez Avengers launched). Check the lower left side of the page. It would not surprise me if they were making jokes about this before this issue, either.
>>156219315It was an early fandom joke.
>>156219315>alcoholichuh??
Busiek did Avengers World way before Hickman.
>>156220360Wizard has all the grace and subtlety of robot chicken
>>156219315Looks like I was wrong, the issue these pages was from was cover dated January 1997, meaning it was actually out December 1996, a whole year before Busiek and Perez's Avengers launched. So it's fucking stupid to blame Busiek for Bendis/Millar/Austen's bad decisions, Wizard would've repeatedly brought Hank beating Jan up on their own. >>156221333It's the same people. If you look on this page there's Doug Goldstein (exec producer/writer/one of the founding members of Robot Chicken) in the Doctor Strange costume and Matt Senreich (co-creator of Robot Chicken) in the Kyle Rayner costume.
>>156220472And better also.
>>156216298Millar's Marvel Knights Spider Man was peak and the last truly good Wallcrawler comic book made by Marvel
>>156221895Yeah, it actually was pretty good, wasn't it. Aunt May makes a good supporting character when she knew the secret. It's a shame they ... well, you saw how things went.
>>156221415Oh shit.
>>156201244>Is Kurt Busiek's Avengers run any good? s'okay
>>156221895ye
Favorite roster of avengers?
>>156219315that Flaming Carrot costume is crazy
>>156223237the one from ultron 6 or any 80s or realy 90s avengers roster.
>>156221895It was great
>>156201388I don't want Spidey in the Avengers, it doesn't workt. spiderfag
>>156201353>>156201542>>156204356The first 2 arcs of Mighty Avengers were good.God I fucking miss Frank Cho, his God tier Carol & semi-hero Ares.
AVENGERS LINE UPS YOU WANT IN THE FUTURE?
>>156225067Were they? The ultron arc might be the boringest ultron arc, beyond him using iron man's armor (and i hate how the characters were written to hank ngl), and the symbiote doom stuff was dumb. But it did at least feel a little like traditional avengers.
>>156201388Spiderman? Maybe some authors baited it many times. Still rather see him in FF?Logan? Nobody cares about him in a team outside xforce and claremont xmen
>>156212735I don't read comics past JLA/Avengers and you shouldn't either.
>>156225726Id say wolverine works more on the avengers than spider-man.
>>156225076West Coast Team>Hawkeye >M.A.C.H-X>Beta Ray Bill>Nightcrawler >Scarlet Spider(Kaine)>Tigra>MotormouthEast Coast Team>Quake>Sersi>Cyclops>Hank Pym>Gravity>Hercules
>>156201388Trying to make Avengers like JLA is pure cancer
>>156226204Not at all. Wolverine is one of the last people who should be an avenger.
>>156226993Cyclops on avengers?>>156227064I feel it could work, its just that..spider-man and wolverine did nothing in bendis's book at all.
>>156227096I figured that Scott is always tied to the X-Men/mutant affairs, let's pull him into a different setting for once.
>>156223237>>156225067>>156225076>>156226993Options if I was to recreate that MA team...> (IronMan)War Machine> (Ares)Perun (Aaron)HippolytaThena> (Wonder Man)Sunspot> (Sentry)Blue MarvelHyperion> (Carol)Namora> (Widow)DominoMisty KnightSilverSableShootingStar> (Wasp)Nadia VD-Wasp> (Drew)Silk
>>156227170I think a good few lead X-men could stand to broaden their horizons.
>>156227709>Cyclops: To Me, My Aven-, sorry, habit.>Hank: Don't worry, I'm pretty sure I would be going "X-Men Assemble!!" If it was the other way around.
>>156227874Beast Hank or Pym Hank
>>156227886Pym.
Is Songbird the only OG T-Bolt to become an Avenger?
>>156223237The johns era team is great
>>156228497Did she ever become a real Avenger? Because forever was great but was there any pay out to that?
>>156228968Ewing had her join sunspot's team.
>>156225076MockingbirdFirebirdSongbirdDarkhawkFalconSnowbird HummingbirdHawkeye Bird Avengers
>>156229080funny idea
>>156229080ENTER
>>156229868Fun name
>>156228497I think so, yeah. unless you count the dark avengers.
>>156214973Which lee/kirby one? And really?
>>156201244Do I need to read any Avengers or other books before this run? I kinda want to jump into it, but if there's required reading I'll probably not bother.
>>156232060Not really. The book makes references, but it gives context for them
>>156232097Nice.
>>156229868>>156230982Carol should get a nostalgiabait mini in her Warbird era where she fights Deathbird again.
>>156225067The art was good but the writing was really bad. Bendis doubled his bendispeak with thought bubbles. Thankfully he stopped that after a while.
>>156232029>Which lee/kirby one?The first one.>And really?Yes.
>>156232060Not really. It wasn't quite a reboot but it was, for want of a better term, a fresh start. This was RIGHT after they came back from Heroes Reborn so they really were setting things up for a new era which makes it a pretty great starting point.
>>156232651That looks horrid.
>>156223237I've always been partial to the Wackos. I'm pretty easy to please though, I just one Hawkeye, Hank, Wonder Man, and/or Black Knight on the team
>>156226993>M.A.C.H-XThat'd be the day...
>>156232670Sounds good. I'll try to start it soon.
>>156233465I was pretty out of comics for a while at the time myself so when I got back into it this one felt really fresh and easy to follow.
>>156201244I like the colors
>>156234691I've seen better.
>>156232659With hulk? Huh
>>156223237Very nostalgic towards this and of new avengers, even if i dont think the latter was good. Will say comics wise probably late busiek?
Bros...I am a bit of a Marvel Larper when it comes to comics but what I have read of this and Thunderbolts and watching EMH, Thunderbolts eventually appearing after a couple more seasons would have been utter kino. Whenever Zemo and the MoE appeared, were some of my fav parts of EMH. Everyone agrees when the superhero team fights the supervillain team is when shit gets kino and villains actually starting to understand both sides and choosing new paths is fucking what capeshit was meant for.
>>156236693You want to hear something really sad? The shitty follow up show, Avengers Assemble, did do Thunderbolts. God I will never not be angry about that.
>>156236715Was it buckybolts/modern bolts or actually the same exact team Busiek made...?>looks it upOh fuck...how cursed. Why? Why would they do that?
Songbird also showed up on Super Hero Squad
>>156236715Goddamn, I hate Loeb for screwing over EMH.
>>156237522Not bad. Melissa needs to be in more stuff
>>156201244It's the best Avengers run.
>>156238148Moviebolts not being Zemobolts is one of my biggest disappointments of the MCU. It would have been so perfect to do between IW and EG.
>>156237527Were the pitches that Yost shared to your guys' liking for season 3? The only parts I wouldn't have liked would be adaptations of AvX and House of M. Holy snoozefest. I mean I know Secret Invasion is what was adapted and that was alright...but eh. I don't care about the muties as much, only Wanda and Pietro had me intrigued as well as the Nightmare ep. Eternals also would have been...meh.
>>156237522Hmm...I wonder if some sort of mix between Screaming Mimi's outfit and Songbirds could work. Like a bird/clown mix. Dunno what narrative justification it would have but it might look cool.
>>156238580I think EMH, even with it's latter complications, still had enough good will to make me at least give them a chance to adapt that stuff. Marvel was very much biased towards recent events but the show still managed to get in plenty of older classics.
>>156238601White face on songbird's costume would look good desu
