So where is each character that was part the "future of Marvel" from the 2010s now?Who made it, who got dropped, who's still around but hasn't reached major heights? What status quos stuck?
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>>156212041Miles, Kamala, Riri, Amadeus Cho and Moon Girl were the only ones with any staying power.
>>156212061And the only one left of them now is Miles because being tied to Spider-Man is a free lifeline. Kamala's been thrown to the X-Men swamp to never be relevant again, and I have no clue what became of the other three.
>>156212061Amadeus Cho was created in 2005 so he's not really a part of the diversiteens.>>156212104Moon Girl has relevance because of her cartoon. The Iron Heart show was so bad it didn't push Riri to any spotlight. Kamala still pops up in the comics enough.
>>156212041The only ones that stuck around organically were the ones that predated this retarded initiative (Cho, Bishop, & Strange)Kamala and Miles have been nonstop astroturfed for over a decade and still don’t have any proper fans, but they’re technically still around
>>156212041>Kamala is in the MCU and still popular>Moon Girl got a cartoon and is still in cartoons and video games>Miles got his own animated trilogy that's very popular>Ironheart got a well received TV show>Kate Bishop is in the MCU and part of the well received Hawkeye show>America Chavez was in Dr. Strange 2. Or 3, I forget.Not too bad a showing, all things considered. Only the blue guy, Gwenpool, Nadia, Squirrel Girl, and the Prowler guy have really faded into obscurity. And Gwenpool and Squirrel Girl feels like they're one MCU appearance away from being back on top.
>>156212041>Miles always gonna be pushed, high rejection>Nadia Wasp 2, useless caracter as the original still around (and also not popular)>America Chavez, forgotten after the change of the origin.>Gwenpool, has fans, Marvel hate her.>Squirrel girl, has fans, Marvel hate her.>Prowler (why are you here?)>Moon Girl, pushed t kids material, real bad in mainline comics>Riri Willians, comic fans hate it, show to normies, normies hate it too.>Brawler, the worst version of Amadeus Cho.>Hawkeye II, people like her in silly street stories, actress has carisma and so not rejected (but also didnt shit with the caracter)>Kamala, flopped hard, not bad caracter, but everything that has her flopped hard, nothing ever happens with her because of token status, so got boring.>Strange, got popular, got bait switch by women two times already.
>>156212302Prowler isn’t obscure. Showed up in Spider-verse
>>156212159Cho was a lot better when he was the new Rick Jones, but more techy. Kind of like Oracle. They killed him by making him a Hulk because he was fairly popular before that.
>>156212159And Marvel Rivals
>>156212061>Amadeus Chowhen was the last time he appeared?immortal hulk?i'd say miles, kamala, and moon girl are the only ones with staying power.
>>156212661Yeah but it's not that Prowler in that image
>>156212437I'd argue that America was forgotten before the change of origin. The change of origin was an attempt to revive her and it failed. What killed her was the terrible Gabby Rivera run. Young Avengers really boosted her popularity and that run killed it. After that run she was seen a complete joke, and also problematic at that, as its revealed in the run she's not just from an alternate dimension, she's from the planet of the space lesbians and her race just happen to all be brown skinned, and when she came to 616 Earth, she liked Puerto Rico so much, she just adopted that culture. And people saw it as cultural appropriation, so thats where the origin change came in. To actually make her from Earth and Puerto Rican.But it could not salvage her. The damage was done.
>Gwenpool is still used in side projects and such. Mostly video games. Due to the nature of the character, where you can't really do anything serious and big with her, she works better as a "mascot" type, which is what they use her as now>Mosaic was the first to be gigadropped, and remains gigadropped, forever in obscurity>America Chavez had something going for a while but is now dropped, will probably remain dropped until the MCU does something with her and they'll want that MCU synergy>Nadia Wasp is also dropped, will remain dropped>That version of Prowler will remain dropped. Aaron Davis will forever be Prowler now>Squirrel Girl is in the Gwenpool role of a mascot used in mobile games and shit, though its more of a loss for her than Gwenpool as they did try to take her serious and push her for a bit, while Gwenpool was always a mascot>Moon Girl is still around and targeted towards younger readers. That's a good spot for her. Cartoons for kids and stuff.>Ironheart got gigadropped after her show was a flop. Forever in obscurity.>Amadeus Cho never really caught on as a Hulk. I could see him being used in the MCU, while I can see his Hulk form being reverted in the comics>Kate Bishop I'd consider a success, she shows up quite a bit in the comics, they have plans for her in the MCU>Miles will forever be pushed and shoved down our throats, no matter how unsuccessful his runs are. The success of Spider-verse was all they needed>Ms. Marvel is the biggest flop as she was pretty big in the 2010s and they clearly had big plans for her in comics and the MCU, and it just hasn't worked out. Forever stuck in the X-Men vortex now.>Dr. Strange with the axe was always meant to be temporary. They always try new Sorcerer Supremes over the years but revert back to Dr. Strange.>
>>156212041>Who made itMiles Morales Spider-GwenSpider-Punk (thanks Spiderverse)Squirrel Girl (thanks Marvel rivals)Kate Bishop maybe?>Got media but still don’t seem super popular Riri WilliamsMoon GirlMs Marvel Ms America>didn’t make it Everyone else
>>156212041Man everything about this just seems so muted and devoid of color. It looks less like a comic book ready to jump off the page and more like a cosplay meet up photo op.
>>156212041>All-new, All-different Who's the retard who came with that?
>>156212944Like a week or two ago in the new Venom comic
>>156212041The only clear loser is Mosaic. Everyone else gets used ranging from once in a while to all over the place. Mosaic fell off the map fast and hard.
>>156212944Amadeus Cho is one of the scientists trying to take down Infernal Hulk right now
>>156215414Marvel likes bringing back old things.
>>156212302>Ironheart got a well received TV showWhat, did they make a new one?
>>156212302>Squirrel Girl feels like they're one MCU appearance away from being back on top.She got rivals
>>156216264Oh, duh. Silly me. Forgot that one for a sec.
>>156212041The champions are the kind of thing the boys should be ruthlessly mocking
>>156212041Gwenpool, America and Kamala were all fucked over by Marvel because the versions of those characters that they want to push are not the versions that fans responded to. Kamala especially, her original series was pretty popular for a brand new character and probably they've ever come to reproducing old school Spider-Man. But they fucking had to try to "fix" her by moving her away from her Jersey City cast and integrate her with the A-list heroes and then the X-Men. The level of mismanagement is embarrassing.
>>156212302>>156216264Gwenpool herself is probably bound to get a Rivals appearance that saves her too. i don't think the MCU would work well with her, but Rivals could
>>156217001Rivals fags aren't going to read the comics. They're just gonna crank it to bad R34.
>Gwenpool: Had her own run, what was meant to be just a silly internet joke ended up being taken too far by Marvel, run had a cult following but wasnt a huge success. Appears in various Marvel mobile games, stuff like Marvel Snap etc. but nothing huge. Will remain a cult following>Squirrel Girl: See Gwenpool>America Chavez: Had that bad Gabby Rivera run, that put her in limbo until the origin rewrite, but hasn't reached the heights she used to. will appear a few times in the MCU probably. Hype seems to have died down.>Mosaic: Fell the fuck off>Nadia Wasp: Ended up dropped once the MCU introduced Janet>Prowler: This pic was before SpiderVerse. He was dropped and replaced with villain Aaron Prowler once Spiderverse was released, in order to MCU synergise>Moon Girl: Comics don't do well, but her cartoon has done well and she's in Marvel Rivals. Will be the mascot for the kids, a bit like Power Pack used to be.>Ironheart: They kept pushing her hard, then she debuted in Black Panther, lukewarm reception meant they cooled off on her, failed Ironheart series means they've officially given up>Amadeus Cho Hulk: Was lurking around for a bit but it seems nobody knows what to do with him, felt like he had more stability and purpose when he was Amadeus Cho. Seems to have no MCU debut in sight, and has gradually faded into the background, only to appear whenever there's another Agents of Atlas run>Kate Bishop: Does well, especially when rather than embracing her as a replacement Hawkeye, they embraced her as Hawkeye's sidekick. Feels like only her and Sam Alexander Nova were finally relegated to sidekick status and thats what saved them. MCU debut was met with positive reception, and she'll probably lead the Young Avengers. This MCU success has kept her in comics>Miles: Back and forth. Comic runs always fail, his game did alright, and Spiderverse is a huge success. Out of all of them, he's the one normies know most so he'll stay around.
>>156217634>Ms. Marvel: They tried and tried and tried, tons of avenues. Putting her on the Avengers, solo books, Champions, her own video game, her own TV series, being in the Marvels. But it flops every time. And now they've given up on her, but wow it took a long time>Dr. Strange: For whatever reason they like replacing the Sorcerer Supreme with a woman but he always comes back.
>>156217001The most Gwenpool will get in terms of movies is maybe if they do another Deadpool, and she'll appear in it. But that's it. Squirrel Girl I can see getting a TV show.
>>156216790Yeah Kamala only ever worked as a street level hero book for teens. Her whole point is she's a fangirl trying to be a hero, once you remove that and put her on the same pedestal as the heroes she idolises, she loses her purpose. Thats essentially her story arc complete, she got to save the world with the big heroes she idolises. So.. what now?
>>156217001I dreamed about an MCU show for her once that turned into a full on existential horror and I really dug it but it'll never happen.
>>156217634Squirrel Girl was created all the way in the 80's
mostly the same place most of the characters that were meant to be the future of Marvel in the 80's and 90's went, the bin
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>>156212302>Ironheart got a well received TV showWhy lie? It was bad and genuinely no one liked it
>>156212041The page that killed marvel forever, mainly the Whoopi {{{Goldberg} ironheart.Also Mike Deodato Jr should be blacklisted from the industry alongside Daniel HDR
>>156217026Comics are dead and just water hole for other media formats. Path to immortality for these characters now is becoming memorable in other products that appeal to the public. On that front, >>156212041 isn't doing too bad as a lot of them have a normie who'd recognize them that isn't a wiki delver.
>>156214862Moon Girl seems to be positioned for the long game by indoctrinating young kids at book fairs and cartoons. Even still appears in some comics. Deserves to be category above riri.
>>156213095>>Gwenpool is still used in side projects and such. Mostly video games.What games has she even appeared in? She wasn't in the last like 5-6 marvel games.
>>156222632>Daniel HDRwhy he was blacklisted?
>>156223214overly political jackass
Honestly out of all of them I'm glad that Kate is still popular, she works great at street level and can be a good foil to Hawkeye
>>156223178Know she was in Fortnite as a skin and like the main battlepass
>>156212041All of them got rejected by the audience and swiftly discarded.
>>156212931I agree with this anon.
>>156212978Lets be real, no one actually have a shit about the cultural appropriation take other than as a joke, primarily due to the person adding it to the character being of Puerto Rican descent. The origin change feels more like them thinking the MCU was never going to touch the Lesbian Dimension and changing it to something more banal while ripping off current events. >>156217698Her last issue before Secret Wars really does feel like a proper end to the character, and a really downbeat one at that. Kamala finally meets and is acknowledged by her idol, but it's the end of the world and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it.
>>156219154Yeah every decade has its "new era of heroes" one actually takes off and becomes successful, another is modestly successful and lingers around as a C or D lister, the rest die off.
>>156222710Yeah lets face it, if it wasn't for Enter the Spiderverse, Miles would have gone the way with the rest of them.This is why comic writers these days are obsessed with introducing alternate reality versions/modern variants of/the diverse version of [insert hero here] because then if that character gets adapted, they get the royalties. Writers know that if they create an OC hero, that they'll most likely not get a TV, movie, or video game adaptation. Good example of this is Mosaic in the OP pic. But if they create an offshoot of a popular hero? A hero that always gets adaptation, well then their offshoot could potentially be a character in those adaptations and get their own spin offs. Example being Miles Morales.
>>156212159>Moon Girl has relevance because of her cartoon.No one watches this cartoon. No one reads its comic. No one cares. This is a pushed character that NO ONE wants/is aware of outside of nerds like us.
>>156223178Not major video games but like side games. Fortnite, Marvel Strike Force, Marvel Snap. Mostly mobile slop that doesn't really have a plot. As its hard to insert her plot wise.
>>156223766Its where she should have wrapped up. Kamala should have retired then. There was no need for the character after, there's no arc anymore.
>>156224487Miles was pushed way before this era and the Enter Spiderverse.He would be on the same place with or without the movie.
>>156224784Serial storytelling doesn't work the same as finite narratives and even beyond that while her final issue before Secret Wars can serve as a end point but isn't necessarily one. In fact, if you look at Ms. Marvel as a bildungsroman, that issue would probably be the end of the first act.
I'm still fucking mad pic related was just abandoned.
>>156225162They should do a period piece noir book with Marilyn Moonlight & Ghost Fist as a team
>>156225107Which skips right to Act 3 where she's now a full-blown Avenger. She even admits she has no idea how it happened (due to the world's temporary ending skipping over that entire plotline), but is too excited to care.
>>156225162Well a couple of them have worked out. Mr. Terrific is known by normies now thanks to Superman and is getting his own thing.
>>156225238Even that wouldn't be the end as she grows disillusioned with the Avengers and starts the Champions.
>Gwenpool: Has a cult following of tumblrites, known by wiki readers>Mosaic: Not even known by comic readers>America Chavez: Would be known by MCU fans>Nadia Wasp: MCU fans would recognize her as Wasp but the wrong Wasp>Prowler: Normies would recognize him but as the wrong Prowler>Moon Girl: I guess some kids would know her if they read her books on world book or something, or seen her cartoon, and Marvel Rivals players will know her>Squirrel Girl: Wiki readers know her, Marvel Rivals know her>Ironheart: Known by MCU viewers but rejected>Miles: Known by normies>Ms. Marvel: Known by MCU viewers and maybe some normies>Amadeus Hulk: Normies would call him Hulk, wiki readers know him>Dr. Strange: MCU viewers know him well>Kate: Known by MCU viewers
>>156212041Strange with an axe in the middle of all those diversity hires is so funny.
>>156212061I mean, I think you're underselling Dr Strange. I feel like that guy's going to be around for a little longer.
>>156224451What was the last new hero that actually stuck that wasn't a legacy character Marvel or DC ever made? There is the GotG if you don't consider them a revamp of the year 3000 version.
>>156226320Does the Sentry count
>>156226320Looking at the ongoings on the stands this month, just Deadpool and Harley Quinn from the 90s. The 00s and 10s didn't produce anything that stayed. The sun's already set on the Guardians, they haven't had a book out in over two years.
>>156225254Come on, man. Mr Terrific already existed.
>>156225162Sideways had some real potential. That comic was actually entertaining.
>>156226320Jeff the Landshark
>>156225162Looks like it would've been awesome
You know what we need? We need another good old fashioned "purge the dead wood" event. We need yet another event that kills off a lot of the Z-Listers and the characters that failed to properly launch. Feels like Marvel hasn't had one of those in a while.
>>156212061Nigger that's the entire crowd
>>156227904Ah yes, the series that was so poorly received that Dennis Hopeless dropped his pen name to escape the hate he was getting. We should definitely do that again.I've always thought it was better to just let these characters exist in limbo because every character has someone who likes them and you never know if one day a writer might have a good take on them in the future. Just killing characters off for no reason creates more negativity in the fanbase.
>>156228427At this point, negativity is the only thing sustaining Marvel.
>>156212041black spiderman because hes spderman thats it
>>156227023His powers are cool too
>>156227904Mayday Parker returns and slaughters all variants and tries to Superman Prime a reset before Disassembled.
>>156227904Yeah I never understand why they keep killing off heroes everyone knows will be resurrected in a year or two, as their replacement is bumped off and the status quo returns.Throw in some permanent deaths with heroes that will never be used again.
>>156227904Even random z-lister will probably come back, like the krakoa era ressurected basically every x-men side character.
>>156226244lol he’s already a literal who
>>156212041I actually liked Mosaic.
>>156228427This.Why needlessly piss off the fifty Mosaic fans when you can just as easily go "Oh he's in Seattle" and just leave him there until you need him?
>>156227904I remember that comics had some "Spring cleaning" killing failed caracters and ending bad series...
>>156227904We are not getting nostalgia for fucking Avengers Arena. I refuse. Why not have nostslgia for OMD while we're at it?
>>156225162Some of them lasted longer than expected.
>>156230311Killing off popular characters get people interested. And you may say that it doesn't but it do. It still do. It's one of those things that gets comic buyers every time.
>>156212041These look like ass.
>>156231997The sales say otherwise.
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>>156217674>Squirrel Girl I can see getting a TV showImagine!
>>156231976>Why not have nostslgia for OMD while we're at it?Brevoort, Lowe, and company already do that well enough so it remains in recent memory how bad it is.
>>156212041BIG HANDS, she's got BIG HANDS!
>>156212041There's Miles and then there's everyone else.
>>156231933why?
>>156212061Miles is the only popular one
>>156233677High profile character deaths still sell issues. The Death of Wolverine mini did well.>"Death of Wolverine" #1 Tops 260KMake a big deal about it and hint at it happening and people will snatch up the issues to see it happen.
>>156212302>Ironheart got a well received TV show
>>156212978>What killed her was the terrible Gabby Rivera run.And yet it was praised by all the websites like it was the second coming of Watchmen.
>>156236470Wasn't Death of Wolverine back in 2014?
>>156212302>GwenpoolLego Marvel Superheroes 2 and porn.>Squirrel GirlMarvel Rivals, also a shit ton of porn.>Nadia and the Prowler guy You got me on that one.
>>156237222Well yeah they got paid to praisse
