Legitimately why did this do this?Why did they shit on the only straight popular ship in the series?
I'm surprised Steven was gay
S U B V E R S I O NRemember, anons, it doesn't matter if your writing is good, or follows through with established or foreshadowed themes, threads, or character and relationship arcs as long as you subvert audience expectations.
>>156213189Steven Universe Future was just last minute character assassination that added nothing worthwhile to the series. Even when they finally gave Jasper a focus episode, it was more about sending the message that stoicism and self-improvement are heckin' problematic, before culminating in a "go get feminized in therapy" PSA.
Almost every fucking episode about Sadie and Lars shows them being terrible and unfitting for each other and by the fifth season they were barely interacting. How did none of you see this coming?
>>156213412Meds
>>156213189Lars didn't deserve her. I know Lars is kinda bad, but Sadie is a GD psycho. My man Lars fucking off of Earth and getting space pussy was the best thing that could happen to him.
>>156213451Reading comprehension, faggot. The whole show was a waste of time, including this townie drama bullshit.
>>156213189self inserting from some troon crew member
>>156213189isn't Steven x Connie popular?
>>156213276but i expect ugly unproblematic black lesbians in everything now and its always there
>>156214037>lesbian
>>156213189Because Sadie would have been a detriment to Lars
>>156214037Anon.. that's a Transbian
>>156213979Steven is a bit of a special case, being the trans allegory that he is.
>>156215610He isn’t
>>156215617Hes a canon trans
>>156213189Probably so lars can fuck space girl pussy but boy howdy did it piss me off>>156213276I dont understand why "le subversion" slop took off in popularity with writers in the 2010s but i swear it helped nuke alot of good will between fans and creators
>>156213424That always bugged me. It's blatant since S1 that Sadie is messed up in the head and Lars is an asshole.
>>156215639You are
>>156215617He kinda is, it just isn't outright stated. The whole thing about Pink Diamond transitioning into a boy, and Pink Steven angrily screaming at White Diamond for what basically equates to dead naming.
>>156215675No
>>156214037Anon...
>>156213189I love the pure noncommittment of the Shep character. No gender, no pronouns, no race, no identifiable traits of any kind. Just a walking ball of representation
>>156215664Just because I used my reversetrap coworker like a far too tight onahole doesnt mean im a fucking tranny.Its not an std.I didnt catch it from not wearing rubbers.
>>156213189>Why did they shit on the only straightyou know why
Steven Universe is a bad cartoon and the domino effect of it being greenlit had done extreme damage to the animation industry.
>>156215650>le subversion" slop took off in popularity with writers in the 2010sNepotism.>>156215617>>156215617
>>156213189>Why did they shit on the only straight popular ship in the series?Because feminist lesbians don't want you to enjoy 'their' show.
>>156215976What?
>>156213189It's because Sugar is ashamed of early SU for not aligning with her current perspective on things. Remember, Lars and Sadie were OCs made by Sugar in college and pre-dated SU by several years while still covering the same overall emotional-thematic throughlines that can be found in the show. Early SU worked because Steven quite literally exists as a Christ/Bodhisattva figure meant to heal the world and free it from injustice and suffering. The setting is sad, melancholic, and cynical but Steven refuses to let it get him down. What happened with Sadie and Lars is directly the result of Sugar being mindbroken by Trump getting elected and the fallout of some of her conservative family members voting for him while also expressing disapproval of Sugar coming out as bisexual and NB. This all happened around the same time Sugar fell for the modern cult of therapy in response to her positive outlook falling apart when coming into contact with just how shitty life can actually be.
>>156214037>lesbians
>>156213189Just another case of self inserting / garbage ideology that californians love to push.Tbh lars was a garbage person but they could have given sadie a better deal.
>>156216964peridot a cute!
>>156215650I will never not be mad about Nephrite not getting a Future episode.
>>156213189The gender-thing is so incredibly ugly in this shot.
>>156216188>coming out as bisexual and NB"coming out" as trendy buzzwords? What the fuck is a "non-binary woman" even supposed to be?
>>156213979?Steven and Connie aren't together either though?
>>156216188holy schizo
>>156217905I think he’s actually right, and coherent to boot
>>156216188/thread
>>156218004there is some true from Waaaay far away but it is worded like a stretch to apply to his own bias. also there is no source to that so he could easly be pulling it out of his ass.
>>156213189Because everything that could be considered even marginally traditional and wholesome must be shat on and dragged through the mud by the jewess of gender.
>>156216188>ashamed of the tolerable part of the series
>>156213189I don't understand that character's design, even for Steven Universe standards, it feels out of place. What were trying to convey with its design?
It's so uncanny and hideous when they do those "authentic" black lips but then have the character's mouth cartoonishly stretch beyond them. They did that all the time in Craig of the Creek.
>>156217769Im mad at the overall minimization of the gems in the later seasons of SU. I hate how the intro for future makes it seem it was gonna be an ensemble cast instead of just "uwu stevens sad" the entire time
>>156213189>Why did the gayest thing since gay came to gay town and became mayor of gayness on a campaign of gay do something extraordinarily gay
>>156216188autistic parasocial nonsense
>>156216188It was about time someone addressed this.
>>156218088>>156218304>>156218268>>156218088>>156218004>>156218019What makes the latter half of SU so frustrating is Sugar's deliberate choice to recontextualize Steven's heroic role in the narrative as something "wrong" ala how Venture Bros frames boy adventurers or the psychological examination of Astro Boy/Mighty Atom in Urasawa's Pluto. It's one thing to delve into the underlying tragedy surrounding Steven but it's another to go "Steven shouldn't be doing this with his life" when this not only literally goes against the demands of the narrative that Sugar laid out to begin with, but ends up as figurative self-flagellation that weirdly fixates on Steven and Rose more than the the actual root of the problem (the Diamonds).That's what makes Future incredibly controversial, why the "redemption" of the Diamonds is still a sore subject for the fans, and Rose continuing to be a contested subject.It weirdly "makes sense" if you're aware of the fact that although Sugar cited Utena as a big inspiration on SU, NGE is equally as influential on the story to the point it might even be more important than Utena is. Sugar was trying to have Steven echo Shinji's character arc except she screwed it up because Steven doesn't start the story as Shinji, he starts the story as a healthy Kaworu who actually CAN save the day and create a better future for his friends.
>>156218347Those woketards are all hacks and they love to copy anime, holy shit. They do it all the time.
>>156218428The question is, of all the anime series, why do they always copy Utena, Sailor Moon and Evangelion?
>>156218428Based retard
>>156213276It did subvert my expectations, alright. I expected it to be good and it was horrid.
>>156217769Nephrite deserves more. Hell, I think she should've been there in the last seasons of Steven Universe helping out the Crystal Gems while also getting closer to Steven, being the only person to show her kindness while she is corrupted.
>>156213189Was this Craig of the Creek expy intended to be some last-minute self-insert like in SVFOE and TG&MM? If so, then it's sad because all three of those characters seem more like cheap pandering gimmicks with limited screen time than actual characters.>>156216188
>>156218437Because "muh depression" and "girl power", however their rotten brains fails to see the point of the message, so they, as usual, try to subvert to their sickening views.
just thinking about ZTs makes me want to die
>>156218347The first half of SU works because it's a deliberate twist on NGE where a young man is forced into the role of a hero to fight monsters all while being surrounded by a group of dysfunctional and emotionally maladjusted women...except he's NOT immature unlike the rest of them. He holds onto what everyone else has lost or damaged, and this is what allows him to break the cycle of violence. Steven isn't pacifistic in the Western sense (refusing to fight/kill), he's non-violent in the Buddhist sense of the term. Steven is willing to take up arms but knows when to throw them to the side and show love. His patience and acceptance of others is what allows the Gems to heal and grow and ultimately bridge the gap between humans and Gems.I'll never understand Sugar's decision to make Steven into more of an immature character than he needed to be because doing so requires the ending be tragic ala Human Instrumentality and YET Sugar still clung to "nuh uh, I want a happy ending">>156218437>>156218428A lot of 90s kids grew up with anime and JRPGs and desperately want to make stuff like it but are not only completely divorced from the cultural context surrounding it, but are nowhere close to just how unashamedly geeky and well-read the people who made it are, especially when it comes to cinema and books. Your favorite anime/manga or JRPG was made by people who were huge otakus, but clearly had an interest in more than just that.
>>156218518They love that there's a lesbian in Utena but seem to miss that the point of her storyline is that she's a self-pitying asshole who realizes she's been behaving badly.
>>156218347Oh boy, how much I hate Utena references. Utena is so overrated.
>>156218347Quality post.
>>156218347>>156218825boring old millennials forever chasing the highs of discovering anime in the 90s and 00s is why none of this trash will EVER work out. all they care about is chasing the high, not creating their own original work from their own original ideas, they just want [Top 10 Anime Moments] recreated, over and over and OVER, forever, with no blood, sex, or hurtful words complicating their eternally infantilized and ashamed feelingsthey're fucking cowards, and they can go cry and animate their 200th Akira bike slide about it
>>156213189To sink the ship.
>>156219078What's really annoying is that these constant references don't even know how to be subtle. Everyone and their dog will recognize an Akira slide but it was a cheeky easter egg. Something you'd think about later and maybe make you smile because you got it. Now you got retarded shit like My Adventurers with Superman which can't even be sneaky with what it's referencing but does everything short of stopping the plot to well at the viewer LOOOOOK IT'S ANIME YOU LIKE ANIME! WE LIKE ANIME TOO!
>>156213189Sadie and Lars genuinely weren't good for each other + Lars became some kind of immortal space zombie. The two of them found new people and new things they could care for instead of clinging onto a shaky relationship built off of having a one night stand. All of this was established BEFORE Future, btw, Future just resolved the whole plotline. The Sadie/Lars ship basically ended when Sadie quit the Big Donut, because that was the last thing binding the two of them together.t. rewatched the show like 2 weeks ago
>>156215754The most performative bullshit this show has pulled, and that's a lot considering this is Steven Universe.
>>156213189The problem isn't Lars and Sadie breaking up, that's actually a positive. But then they introduced this performative caricature Glup Shepto to make sure Sadie has someone, even if they were just trying to push this impression of her being strong and independent. It's so retrograde and counterproductive to the message. "B-but the message is things change no matter what" yeah and keeping Sadie alone sounds like a more genuine change than giving her a Lars's replacement to keep status quo.And Shep is such a garbage character beside all this anyways, comes like a insulting caricature, a Stonetoss character to validate some random strawman argument.At least Lars is getting laid in space.
>>156218437That's the only anime they know
>>156221594>At least Lars is getting laid in space.Watch that this new Lars show try to resurrect Lars and Sadie ship. Modern cartoons can't help themselves on trying to not beat a romance into the bush.
>>156213189I like Shep, they was cool
>>156222518Stop bumping your shitty thread and kill yourself already.
>>156213189Steven Universe is prog garbage that hates normalcy
>>156217883Woman with short hair who dresses like shit.
>>156218140They're hideous, it feels like they want to draw full lips to achieve facial features that feel a bit blacker but they also have absolutely no fucking idea of how lips and a mouth are supposed to move so you get these weird puffer fish mouths.
>>156213189>only straight popular shipi mean steven and connie is a popular ship i argue even more popular that i dont think many people were hoping lars and sadie would hook up. Beside the writing was on the wall for the last few season that they went in entirely separate direction in life they just wasn't compatible so them just being freinds and sadie hooking up with someone else made sense. last strech of the show has issue but i do think they handled there relationship well it would have ben hetslop as the kids are saying these days
>>156221445>t. rewatched the show like 2 weeks ago
>>156224664>coping
>>156213189Lars sucked and was a minor and Sadie was an adult and ugly. Who gives a shit.
>>156217886they're not? I didn't watch Future
>>156222518>I like Shep, they was coolme when i lie on the internet for attention
>>156224700He wasn’t a minor
>>156224701Yeah, Steven proposed to Connie, she tells him they need more time, Steven loses his shit (something usual in Future tho). Eventually Steven "heals" from his psychological scars and decides to leave Beach City, and at no point it's shown Steven and Connie got back into a relationship per se. Yep.Man, what a waste of resources and time Future was.
>>156213189Lars and Sadie weren't really a good fit for each other, I thought the island episode showed that. I do dislike Shep though because they look like they walked right off of some 14-year-old's tumblr blog in 2015. People are always going "ugh this is so tumblr" but Shep is the only character design I've seen that made me truly think that.>>156224701>>156224848Steven and Connie are together in Future. He proposes to her because he's panicking about things changing and him feeling stuck. She says they're like 18 and can't get married yet. They kiss in one of the last scenes of the show before Steven leaves for his soul-searching road trip.
>>156224561>hetslop as the kids are saying these days
>>156213189Steven Universe is highly satanic because it has lesbialas
>>156224880>They kiss in one of the last scenes of the show before Steven leaves for his soul-searching road trip.Many anons love leaving out this information for some reason
>>156213189
>>156213276
>>156224561Leftist writers.They ruined an entire generation with this show.
>>156214037Ehem
>>156225020The reaction here to Connie not wanting to get married at 18 was weird to say the least, especially since Steven wasn't asking because he thought they were ready for that. I'm not really surprised that /co/ couldn't handle the idea of their relationship temporarily going long distance though.
>>156223736Because was writen by leftists
>>156213189You mad Sadie got blacked
>>156213189>the only straight popular shipSteven and Connie? Look I love Lars and Sadie as much as the next guy but Steven and Connie are definitely the more popular ship.
>>156225081Made canon by the creator btw
>>156213189Don't know. Crazy Sadie needs her ass kicked, though.
>>156225834Meant to say licked, but why not both.
>>156225766Good. It only makes sense.
>>156225081I never get why people were bothered by this other then people demanding pearl be a good little lesbian. People bonding over the death of a shared friend and loved one is incredibly common. The wife marries the best friend trope after a guy dies a trope for a reason.
>>156225834Sadie needs a man, not an androgynoid with a septum piercing.
>>156213189Even a lot of the normalfag fanbase of Steven Universe agrees that Shep was a shitty last-minute character. It's weird.
>>156213189that character is there cause the stupid half of the fanbase kept insisting that the black, gay, female or nonbinary whatever aliens didn't count as representation because they weren't human. and sugar listened for some reason.i never understood this line of reasoning. i would much rather have my demographic be represented by a cool alien.>>156218347>It's one thing to delve into the underlying tragedy surrounding Steven but it's another to go "Steven shouldn't be doing this with his life" when this not only literally goes against the demands of the narrative that Sugar laid out to begin withbut this line of thinking is incredibly common now. just go into one of those avatar seventh haven discussions and it's full of people from both sides of the aisle wringing their hands about child soldiers. god forbid a child watch a tv show and have fun
>>156218617>>156221272It feels like an extension of growing up in a fanfom culture where you're not really thinking deeply about the shows that influence you but ripping off shallow shit.SU feels like someone deviantart coffee shop au fanfic of a more interesting show.
Amethyst x Me
>>156213189What kind of name is "Shep"?
>>156226252You're implicitly granting that "representation" is a legitimate creative goal in and of itself.>>156226427Short for Shepherd and similar names.
>>156226771you know bioware got featured on fox news cause the usual conservative retards complained about the lesbo sex, right?
>>156227380Homosexuality shouldn't exist, period.
>>156227456did you tell that to all the gay animals god decided to make?
>>156227478That was by the fake god Ialdabaoth. The real God would never make anything as sinful as the physical world.
>>156227492Stfu, fag
>>156227609>no argument
the only good thing this show left where the pearls.
>>156227478Animals can be cannibalistic and eat their own shit. It should be fine for us to eat other humans and our own shit too, right?
>>156227478Treating animals engaging in same-sex acts as gay is anthropomorphization, they don't see themselves as gay but are doing it for survival/mating success, behavioral oddities of captivity or not finding a female mateExcept dolphins, they rape for the sake of it.
>>156228648You forgot Parasites. So many Parasites. Bears in the wild get so many Parasites they have a Worm-Shitting-Season as trackable as Hibernation or Mating Season
>>156228662What are you talking abo–OH MY GOODNESS
>>156215601Ew
>>156221272It's like the millennial wilhelm scream meanwhile south park made an akira reference a few weeks ago almost nobody even got
>>156228150Amy is and always was best girl
>>156229029
>>156215918We're still getting blowback from it
>>156213189What is that thing on the left.
>>156224701No she decides to ride the cock carousel instead.
I'm glad I never watched this show, it just seems like a bunch of crybaby self therapy bullshit who never dealt with anything more difficult than a raised voice in their whole lives.
>>156213189Isn't a "ship" a fandom term for characters that aren't actually in a relationship? Sadie/Lars were in an actual relationship, and it was constantly portrayed as terrible.
>>156228730Reason to not drink river water added to the list
>>156229301You're 100% right, only redeemable thing that came from it is the waifu porn
>>156225081>>156225766Didn't Sugar force Pearl to les out with Bismuth in the future and only lied about Pearl x Greg when the fagfad started waning just like she did with AT?>Inb4 the Sugarshillbot says she was Finnceline not BubblineNo, she wasn't.
>>156231525Pearl would have been better with that pink girl she met at the party.
Shep was the perfect example of how not to handle romance. They appeared later in the series, they're not cis, and it doesn't help that they're black which isn't inherently bad too often is it done to spite white males.
>>156213424Fucking a black tranny you just met isn't a good alternative.
They should have cauterized the wound with Lars showing up with a Gem on his arm as well.
>>156232733Opponents-to-lovers with the green one?
>>156226365They enjoyed the ambition that art and culture allowed for, but they aren't nearly as idealistic. The counterculture they worship is just a set of small ponds for them to be big fish in, and the only thing they dream of is finding some way to trick the world into thinking the small waters are as vast and deep and dark as the ocean blue.
>>156213189Would Shep get along with Raine?
>>156225054Oh the irony later on.
>>156225041?
>>156226365>SU feels like someone deviantart coffee shop au fanfic of a more interesting show.Because it is. Compare the pilot to the show or Sugar's pre-animation work.
>>156232656And they have a nose ring, not a single good character exists with a nose ring.
>>156213979That's not what the porn says.
>>156232656I think the major problem with that whole episode is that they presented Lars and Sadie figuring out their relationship offscreen as clever and not a total fucking copout. Gotta be top 3 moments where the Steven POV just did nothing but hurt the story
>>156227478I never understood how terminally-online leftists think this is a good comparison given how much of animal homosexuality is just male-on-male rape.
>>156218617>>156219078>>156221272God damnit I've been complaining that anime ruined western writing since the early 2000s before the term weeb was even spawned. I was watching terminal autism spread on the internet and into the media through japanophiles, sonic, and of course furries, and nobody spoke up, cuz they thought it was cool teen titans 03 larped anime.I'm glad people are noticing, but it's too late. We are too many generations deep into double plus negative irony post modernism to pull back out, and even Japan is poisoned. I don't know the solution, but it makes me sad.
>>156235769>japanophiles, sonic, and of course furrieslol
>>156235769The modern cultural death goes way deeper than anime. Relying on anime as entertainment is just a sign of it.
>>156221236Lmao. Read it all in his voice
>>156229056I like the idea of her becoming more and more of a Spanish momhttps://youtu.be/4-zy3w_86iY?is=4ID2-CO9kmtocPHC
>>156215650>multiple episodes about this fucking character and steven trying to restore her>she finally gets restored>nothingFuck Steven Universe
>>156234126I doubted, but now I know Pearl is the best gem
>>156238304always was
>>156213412>stoicism and self-improvement are heckin' problematic.It is because manospher grifters teach you the wrong way to do it.
>>156238451>It is because manospher grifters teach you the wrong way to do itNo one said anything about the manosphere shit.
>>156213189Something something diversity.
>>156213189what the fuck is that thing?!
>>156225081People were already threatening to kill themselves when the drawings were released. I can't imagine the fallout that would occur if this ship was canon
>>156213189The peak of woke design, what an eyesore.
>>156231525Pearl ended up for the people with basic common sense, not the wokies.
>>156238304they all are... since they all share the same voice actor.
>>156241281
>>156241281>>156241302Kino
>>156241281>>156241302>drinkMy suspension of disbelief has been washed away, like seafoam.
>>156239272Because the people who bring up the "manosphere" litterally don't understand nor want to understand men or male issues.So they attack a convenient strawman they themselves created instead of acknowledging their own ignorance and lack of empathty.
>>156241261MAGA isn’t that
>>156242523The wasn't strictly MAGA, either. Dee Dee followed Charlie Kirk and TPUSA, who are milquetoast center-right conservatives.
>>156226401I was dating a girl at the time who had the Amethyst build. That ass got eaten every night.
>>156213189Daddy girl on left
>>156213189What if Shep gets to show up in Lars of the Stars?
>>156245541You know "it" will. They're going to play a shitty love triangle between Lars, Sadie, and Shit because that's the only romance these hacks know how to make.
>>156225948Queers really fucking hate it when one of their own women picks the straight side.They always freak out about it.
>>156234126>Steven, non-binary" applies to Gems because we are ALIENS! For humans, its mental illness. https://youtu.be/wVAHr53KoBQ?si=Ne_v_euMejsxZ9mc&t=155
>>156245706Kek
>>156222518If retardation were radioactive, you'd be more toxic than the Elephant's Foot.
>>156213979lollmao even
>>156246252.....idgi
