Why do cartoons take 2 years to put out 8 episode seasons now?
>>156232463No Korean slave labor outsourcing
>>156232496>He doesn't know
>>156232463It's a Mini-room serial, it's 3 people and Viv. The shows that had 52 per year had 12 writers in a room together, not including the showrunner
>>156232463>South Park seasons used to have 2 runs of 7 episodes each>Seasons now are just 6 episodes that the crew can't even make in a week anymore
>>156232463Because they're run by untalented white women, see: Dana T
>>156232533>Mini roomsI've heard about these Why are they so common now?
>>156232463>another thread complaining about indie animation
>>156232547Smiling Friends season 2 also took 2 years for 8 eleven minute episodesThis issue is widespread
>>156232463Streaming killed cable and completely destroyed the DVD market.
>>156232555>Hazbin>Indie
>>156232463they can’t tell real stories so they have to wait and pool together their mental issues and sexual fantasies to serve as the basis of fanfictiony “stories”.>>156232555You can be the next little gay pet of a Millennial woman creator who gives you condescending praise every once in a while before she makes it big. I believe in you
>>156232463>what is supply and demand
>>156232463On cable they'd often greenlight the next season based on the performance of the first few episodes of the current season, meanwhile on streaming they crunch numbers and wait like 6 months to a year to greenlight the next one
>>156232581>making a million threads on the same retard topic is a good thingIf mods were a really useful, whoever OP was would've been banned on their 4th indie thread
>>156232789This isn't an indie thread, this is a streaming service production schedule and output thread
>>156232463The entire traditional funding model has collapsed, and its successor is slow
>>156232732Because they needed the show to actually return next season at the same time it premiered on cable. When one show ends, the next show in the rotation has to take its place. Network TV still works this way. When Big Bang Theory Spin-Off 2 ends a season it has to be ready to come back in September to continue taking up that timeslot. On streaming Big Bang Theory Spin-Off 3 doesn't replace anything. It exists in a sea of never ending slop that exists only to hype up subscribers. No one cares if it comes back. It will never be a priority. Even something like the live action One Piece or Wednesday that both broke streaming records for season 1 had to wait for season 2 announcements because no one higher up actually cares if they return. No one is tuning into a specific timeslot at a specific time of year for those shows. And in Wednesday's case season 2 BLED viewers from season 1 because so much time had passed no one gave a fuck anymore. One Piece didn't do as bad but it had a built in fandom to carry it. Its all fucked. You also see this with Star Wars slop. No one at Disney is trying to make sure the three fans of The Acolyte get a resolution to the cliffhanger because they have 40 other Star Wars shows coming for you to binge and forget. Its all disposable in the worst possible way. Streaming ruined fucking television and storytelling in general. Executives don't even want these shows to be engaging and interesting they structure them with the assumption these people will be drooling over a phone while the show plays in the background. Its all bullshit I fucking hate it. Animation at least gets off sometimes because they batch order 52 to 65 episodes and space it out across a few years but they only do this for kids shows and for some reason never seem to do it for adult shows.
>>156232615>high demand for cartoons>low supply of labor???
>>156232875There's a high supply of labor, non-union animators in the US work for $10/hr
>>156232874streaming turned out to be a mistake
>>156232553Because companies don’t want to pay for more staff
Do you know how detailed hazbin is? Only shitty calarts cartoons and cel animated shows can do 40+ episodes per year
why do video games take 10+ years to make?
>>156232463>>156234655because everyone is a weak, commie, heccin smol bean with panic attacks who will quit/sue you/send the union after you/cancel you if you force them to work
>>156233880Do you know what cel animation is?
>>156232463I'm vaguely reminded of this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nipQ7u99hLc
>>156234678Ok but what's the non-schizo buzzword babble reason?
>>156232463Because the current cultural zeitgeist is "Do whatever you want. No one is the boss of you!" which also happens to be anti-efficiency.
>>156232463It would come out faster if Helluva Boss didn’t exist.
>>156232553After executive salary and bonuses are paid, there's not much money left for minor roles like writers or artists.
These days only the east can still put out 24+ episode seasons for anything, I imagine it's because eastern executives are paid far, far less than their western counterparts, so there's a lot more money to go around for the actual production, relatively speaking. That and the fact that "skimming off the top" in a country like China will literally get you assassinated by the CCP.
>>156232463When I was a kid, studios made it seem like a cartoon episode was made in a week because they would finish production on the entire season before even announcing the show was coming out, then trickle out an episode once a week. I had no idea how long any of it took to make. I’d find out a decade later that the creator had been pushing his idea for years before getting picked up. Now Indie projects throw out their pitch pilots on the internet, and the audience comes along for the whole ride.
It wouldn't be so bad if Viv's style of writing wasn't so contigent on Lilith, who she's deliberately witholding until season 3. She essentially made 2 seasons of filler to set up her real story
>Why do cartoons take 2 years to put out 8 episode seasons now?Basically what >>156232732 and >>156232874 said. The revival of Gumball is a good example.Caetoon Network would renew the show years ahead of time so production could happen without any significant production hiatuses (ie they were already greenlit for Season 2 when they were making Season 1).For the revival the network in the US is Hulu who, like any other streamer, only renewed the show for another season until after every single episode had already been released. In the meantime everyone working on the show had their contract run out and has to be rehired for the production to restart.And Hulu does this with ALL their animated shows. And, as a general rule, streamers do this with 90% of their shows. It's not like an episode of Gumball takes longer to make in 2011 compared to now, it's that streamers haven't realized their practices are stupid.
>>156235062millennial woes
>>156232533>12 writers in a room together. Quite the opposite.
>>156234860I know it did 26 to 65 per year
>>156235482They had 12 rooms inside of a writer
>>156232463It's crazy how cartoons in the 40s only needed like 3 or 4 animators and they could make an entire 7 minute cartoon within a month or so. Now we have entire teams of animators with about 10 times that amount and the animation somehow looks worse than the 40s cartoons. Not to mention animators these days are so lazy they have to force Koreans to animate for them. >>156232555Don't even get me started on that.
>>156232874They don't do it for adult shows as you exactly said, they expect adults to be drooling but more accurately distracted by their jobs, phones, and other life priorities so they automatically assume adults are harder to capture as a consumer so they hedge their bets and order less.
>>156232463Because these companies lay off everyone after producing an initial 16-to-20 episode order and "wait to see how it performs on streaming" before deciding if a show is worth renewing for a measly bonus 16-to-20 episodes. All new shows are glorified miniseries now.
>>156232569Yes, it is technically indie because the pilot was produced independently and picked up by a major studio. That is literally how that term works. I know you're young and probably a dullard, but that is the facts.
>>156237189"Indie" isn't a descriptor you only have to qualify for one time and then it applies forever. Shit ain't independent anymore. That's on a technical level too.
>>156236741>All new shows are glorified miniseries now.Hit the nail on the head.
>>156232875it's only demand if it's paying at least the cost of production hun
>>156232463Because they don't have the money to get the AI tokens they need faster.
>>156237189You're retarded.Indie just means independent of a large publisher, if fucking AMAZON is involved then it's not indie anymore, by definition.
>>156235366Which is funny considering Lilith is gonna be a major letdown and much of S3 will be Lucifer's fag arc (kinda like Stolas).
>>156236741every new cartoon is a glorified miniseries but they still don't listen when you try to pitch an actual miniseries to them
>>156237423tomatow, tomatoe
>>156238378The public YEARNS for another Over the Garden Wall
>>156234655>why do video games take 10+ years to make?devaluing of skilled labor and the corporate greed of always wanting to see the number go up with out making a product worth sellingwestern game companies all want the infinite money generator live service slop game, or rent seeking with subscriptions it's why you see western game companies fire everyone who makes good games, know how to code, or make anything that isn't ball & gun and instead hire contractors, because they don't have to actually keep them aroundor like sony where they force all their game devs to make live service slop games that cost hundreds of millions of dollars to make
>>156232463Literally who? Can we please ban screencap threads? or fucks sake.
It's not like G1 Transformers or GI Joe where they could knock out a season in 5 months from scripting to in the can. Everything has to look HD and pretty without obvious screw ups.
>>156232463>>156235062Lower budgets. They have to choose between quality and quantity, can't have both without spending a shitload of money.>>156232559Their budget for an entire season of smiling friends was less than the budget of a single episode of family guy.
>>156232463>xitter thread
