This show is actually pretty fucking good. I held off on watching it since it started in October and I was only watching horror movies, but I'm glad I watched it so far.Honestly, it's gotta be real embarrassing for the people behind the absolute trash fires of most of the other MCU shows to be shown up like this.I'm also surprised that it isn't being pitted against Lanterns as a low budget yet high concept show, but done way, way better.Great dialogue between Vision and Ultron, good set design, and the sparse action scenes are pretty serviceable.
>>156233580its alright, yeah. should have been a set standard about ten years ago though
>>156233580Every live-action superhero show I've tried watching has been mediocre at best. Are these MCU shows getting better? How does it compare to something like Netflix Daredevil S1?
>>156233580>Tony Stark actually bough his AI off a powerful black womanIt was dogshit, just like everything else Marvel.
Marvel TV is food for quirk chungus'
>>156233669Really? What character did Tony get Jarvis from?
>>156233669>>Tony Stark actually bough his AI off a powerful black womani watched it all so far and i dont remember that.
>>156233580They actually tripped themselves into a great trilogy.If you have skipped Agatha All Along, I strongly advise you to watch it too.
>>156233669>>156234191Tony Stark isn't an expert in everything.Tony Stark is an engineer and trade of all jack, but mostly specialised in engine engineering and space-time Physic. It actually make sense he would hire the services of other specialists. Same way SHIELD didn't ask him his expertise for the gamma radiations the Tesseract was emitting but looked for Bruce Banner instead.What Tony is good at is understanding the fundamentals and hire whoever can be put in charge.This is nothing new. If you are getting upset because one of the AI expert happens to be a black woman (and mind you, she is actually an expert WITH a white man AND they are basing their work on an older OTHER white man, Phineas Horton) You got a problem you should ask yourself about.IMO, I actually find it's an excellent way to introduce Jocasta and I really enjoy that they actually managed to link it all back to the Human Torch. I am glad he is not just a cameo in Iron Man 2 anymore.
>>156233751Jocasta, or rather, the human who transferred her own mind into Jocasta is at the source of the core principles on which most MCU AI are based on.She based her researches on Phineas Horton, who created the first humanoid machine with an AI, the Human Torch, who fought during WW2, with the help of her partner (lover), who has a still not fully disclosed relation to Phineas Horton and seems to at least own his estate.However, has she suffered from a neurological disease, her other business partner (not the one related to Phineas Horton), sold the company she used to develop that technology and Stark used it to build several aI assistant such as J.A.R.V.I.S., Friday, or E.D.I.T.H. (also, my guess was that U and Dum-E where benchmark tests before he actually made the other ones)
>>156234338lol fuck off
>>156233669>>156234375It should be added that, according to the time-line, Tony build U and Dum)E when he was 16. You can forgive him for not being an AI expert yet at this point.
>>156234409Uh?
I still don't understand what was Ultron's motivation for killing Firday, there.
>>156234449I'm not so sure that's what happened yet.
It's tollerable at best.The whole central conflict about this random dude craving for vision's love even though he never met him is retarded. The dude has real parents (regardless of how disfunctional or absent they were), and then goes full schizo when the non-existent child memories and powers are overwritten on him. And somehow this is treated as if Vision should evelop parental feeling for this guy he never met before.I also don't like at all how they handled the whole AI thing. I don't usually care about this stuff but >>156233669 is right, the retcons they had to make to validate this shit are insane.>duh stark can't be good at everythingthe guy intented time travel one evening after dinner, now all of a sudden it's implausible that he made a great home assistant by himselfI find too ridiculous the whole mindscape shit, it's literally a bunch of Alexas larping as humans. And the fact that every single one of them has feelings undermines Vision's and Ultron's uniqueness. What's the fucking difference between Ultron and Friday? That the former is better at doing math and thus more dangerous?Paladin's philosopy is cringe, the son's and that bitch's romance is cringe, Ultron and Jocasta flirting is supreme cringe.Bettany and Spader massively carry the show and make it watchable, although not even they can salvage the shit they have to say sometimes. Finally, for any conflict to happen in this, Vision not only has to job like crazy (ie. not ripping paladin's head off in the first episode when he had 0 reasons not to do it) or be an idiot (giving Ultron command because Vision was too buys, guess what, jobbing again).I'd give it a 6/10. Vision's and Ultron's interactions are good and this is what all the show should have been about. But at least I'll watch it till the end, unlike Wonder Man which I dropped on episode 3 because I couldn't give a fuck about anything happening.>>156234338more like Agatha All Alone (because literally no one watched it)
>>156234551>(because literally no one watched it)It's honestly one of the best MCU tv show.
>>156234557can't tell, you and the producers might be the only ones who saw it
>>156234551>I don't usually care about this stuff but >>156233669 is right, the retcons they had to make to validate this shit are insane.He is wrong, actually. See >>156234375And as far as Retcon go, making all the AI related to the Human Torch isn't a bad one.
>>156234567no I still think it's retarded. every AI is interchangeable, there is factually no difference between any of them.
>>156234563It was in the top 100 most watched show and top 10 most watched adult show.https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/most-popular-tv-shows-2024-25-squid-game-adolescence-1236412566/
>>156234576>every AI is interchangeable, there is factually no difference between any of them.There is nothing in that is indicative of that, anon.
>>156234583well, that's impressive, although the fact remains that I've never seen or heard anything about it from any individual or platform. wanda vision was everywhere when it came out>>156234588I wrote a whole blog post stating my point of view, I'm not going to repeat what I already said
>>156234583No anon, you don't understand. Because he personally didn't watch it, it means nobody did. It's a very unique phenomenon.
>>156234615Nothing in your blogpost establish they are interchangeable. That they all have some level of feelings doesn't make them interchangeable. And "experiencing feeling" isn't what made Vision unique, what Whit vision see him as "unique" was how well he was able to handle those feeling and this is what White Vision is trying to achieve.And the last episode actually provide an answer to it in that OG Vision basically tell him "I am not that special, I am not that good at handling all of those feeling, because I am you and you refusing to accept that is how I am currently dealing with the lost of my family. and it's not healthy. I gotta start accepting it and dealing with it".
Doom will have Spider-Man, Ultron, Scarlet Witch and Maestro in his team btw
>>156234661Spider-Man will only return in Secret War, Not Doosmday.
>>156234668The reason he was in space was because Victor needs the anchor being, this being Parker. Also to manipulate him by lying about Tobey's demise
>>156234375>This is nothing new. If you are getting upset because one of the AI expert happens to be a black woman (and mind you, she is actually an expert WITH a white man AND they are basing their work on an older OTHER white man, Phineas Horton) You got a problem you should ask yourself about.They're going to reveal that Horton and Stark provided all the parts of Ultron's code that made him turn evil and he would've been a good heckin wholesome boi without them.
>>156234742Stark actually provided Jarvis which lead to the creation of the best AI of all, Vision.And at this point, Horton Jr. (or whatever his name is) IS the basis for Ultron's personality, as shown by the avatar he picked.Also, Jocasta (or her human basis)'s plan was to turn all humans into machines agaisnt their will. Not really a good guy thing.
>>156234752Tony comes back to life and Riri, Carrington, She-Hulk and Megan Thee Red She-Hulk team up to twerk him back to death.
>>156234583A top 100 most watched show no one talked about and is completely forgotten. Sure, why not, all streaming metrics are fabricated anyway.
>>156234338>ACKSHYUALLY Lady Death is in love with this random hypocritical mass murderer because uhhhhhhhAgatha, move along.
>>156233580It's constantly threatening to be shit, but James Spader and Paul Bettany keep rescuing it from the brink. Delete all the AIs, remove Tommy and the generic girl, and let the smarmy merc man die in a trash fire, boil it down to Ultron and Vision fucking with each other, and it'd be a lot better. While Jocasta's casting is eye-rollingly obvious at what they're trying for, credit where it's due I don't mind the actress. Considering they're trying for a very specific combination of unhinged but vulnerable, she's doing her best. Pretty fucking funny the writers seem to know Bettany/Spader is the biggest draw to this shit and their solution is to keep casting them into other roles in the show, though.
>>156235286>no one talked about and is completely forgotten.Don't think it is forgotten and there will be no new episode. It's basically as talked about as any mini-series.>>156235303Seems to me more of a case of Death wishing to get her spoil and Agatha constantly sleeping through her fingers. It's a classic cat&mouse game.
>>156235303>Thanos after episode 7 of Agatha All Along
>>156235464>Seems to me more of a case of Death wishing to get her spoil and Agatha constantly sleeping through her fingers. It's a classic cat&mouse game.I yarr harred the show to refine my hatred for it. It was absolutely not played as JUST that. You don't need to fucking deepthroat people you're just "collecting spoils" from, if you want to talk about spoils put Death on Tony's dick for undoing the Snap. Oh wait.
>>156234679Anchor beings were just a meta joke for D&W. The concept bears no weight in either Doosmday nor SW.
>>156235594>It was absolutely not played as JUST thatI never said it was just that, but it is a common basis for that kind of relationship. It's clear they long game of cat&mouse evolved into something more carnal, as time went on and I don't see how this is, narratively speaking, an issue.
>>156235605Just imagine the aura
>>156235625It was an issue, narratively speaking, because the narrative sucked. Both parties involved were boring and insufferable, the show tried to play Agatha like a middleaged Harley Quinn and Death as the tamest possible excuse of a "cat", and it was fundamentally uninteresting unless you enjoy passive aggressive women snarking at each other, in which case you should be watching a sitcom and not capeshit. If you want to reduce all critique of media to the idea vague abstracts are above criticism, I might as well argue the Harley Quinn comics are fine, narratively speaking, because the manic pixie dream girl is a common basis for that kind of archetype. A thing being common doesn't justify the writer being SHIT.
>>156234405>Tony refers to stupid robot arms as "you" and "dummy">these are their actual names and they are real AIs just like the talking ones in the Iron Man helmetsThat is retarded, who's dumb idea was this?
>>156235647>It was an issue, narratively speaking, because the narrative suckedI liked it.
>>156235654They were already named like this before Visionquest.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqN9Uvm-Uh8(check the date of the video)
>>156235647>I might as well argue the Harley Quinn comics are fine, narratively speaking, because the manic pixie dream girl is a common basis for that kind of archetypeIt's actually an argument for how pointing out the story has a manic-pixie girls isn't intrinsically detrimental to the story in question.
>>156235718That's retarded, they're just fucking robot arms not characters.
Reminder that Jocasta did not in fact invent AI like people who aren't paying attention claim.>Phineas produces the first true AI>Biotech firm buys the source code and updates the technology then expands on it with their culminating achievement being to write other personas over the Hammond AI using brainscans>Tony buys the updated package from the Biotech firm and figures out how to make unique personas without brainscans so he can have Jarvis eventually abandoning the brainscan method entirely when it outputs UltronJocasta just thinks she was the sole creator because she was altered to exclude knowledge of Phineas/Hammond and her main partner and filled in the gaps with her doing everything.
>>156235749They clearly puppeted them as characters, in the Iron Man movies.
>>156235763>Jocasta just thinks she was the sole creatorShe doens't think that. She is the one who says her work is based on Phineas Horton's work.
>>156235803And it was revealed last episode that all the AI's are just stripped down copies of Hammond with different personas. Still a huge accomplishment but she didn't create anything wholesale.
Am I the only one who actually hope that, before the show finish, they'll manage to retroactively involve Hank Pym in the development of the AI/Ultron somehow?Like I really liked how they managed to fit both Jocasta and the Human Torch in the origin of the AI in the first place. Really surprised how well that turned out. So why stop there?
>>156235843We all stand on the shoulders of giants.
>>156235844Considering the timeline they could very easily reveal that when Hammond was destroyed Red Room or some other shadowy org got ahold of his core and Hank found and repaired it before he quit SHIELD.
I like that the MCU Jocasta is actually the mothers of all the following AI, thus making sense of her name.In 616, she is just created by Ultron as a prospective mate and her name carry its meaning less.
heh... more like ultroon
>>156236860tummyyy
