>>156236074Did Jerry de-transition yet?
>>156236074You asked for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsfH8iDQZh8
Probably not a bad essay seeing that the The Angry Birds Movie had a lot of political undertones that may or may not be coincidental but I just think this thumbnail is the funniest shit ever
>>156236124Fag
https://youtu.be/x6IZm3lf50s
>>156236101Cringe
Why was there such an effort to dissuade people from identifying this style (even when it was more precisely identified as "beanmouth") if there was still an active interest in using the aesthetic moving forward? Fear of being labeled? But why?
There’s this Disney adult troon who’s videos would always show up in my recommended and I’m glad I never clicked on any of them.
>>156236231It’s mindboggling in hindsight how many people tried to gaslight people into thinking that beanmouth isn’t real or is just another "stylistic trend" (yet always ignore the 90s in that argument when tons of artstyles were good-looking and distinctive), especially when you consider that people shat on the Family Guy ripoff style thats all over adult animation, even though that style isn’t too far off from beanmouth. Guess it’s wrong to say something bad if has "good" millennial writing and the correct identity politics.
>>156236074And the rebuttal was "One artist designed 4 similar characters 60 years ago"
>>156236315I guess I don't understand why it was taboo to even acknowledge the trend in the first place.Even if someone genuinely liked the look, why was admitting it existed seen as some sort of losing condition? Wasn't it inevitable?
>>156236378I hate to give the types saying it's all a deliberate attack on traditional beauty (since that implies thought behind the style), but the DARVO is the same type as "progressives" used to use when media started getting paid to include more gay people.
It was the last style before the industry imploded
>>156236444>1.This isn't the CalArts style, chud>2. Except when it is.>3. But also it isn't>4. "can">5. (Performative appeal to middle ground)>6. False Equivalence
>>156236074>thing consumers say about industry is incorrect because...I don't think these people understand why CalArts is a term.
>>156236074How his account still up let not get visited by the secret services?
>>156236101I have never seen a woman complain about conventionally attractive female characters that wasn’t a terminally online twitterite.
please don't let this thread die im going to work and I need a good cringey listen to during my shift
>>156236074probably the one made by transwoman complaining about Steven Universe not being left-wing enough, which is bonkers
>>156236074>>156236366>>156236315>>156236231It was dismissed because you guys kept calling it "CalArts Style" which was a term created by John K. to dismiss The Iron Giant.Take into account that the first show to use that kind of style (Gumball) was a british show created by a frenchman. Basically as far removed from CalArts (the Californian School of Arts) as you can be.
>>156236231>Fear of being labeled?They absolutely LOVE labels. What they hate is not being able to dictate who does the labeling.
>>156236366Difference between a house style and teaching everyone to do the same thing.
>>156236626these people's world perceptions has been skewed by being in hug boxesnot saying they are not entitled for just being who they arethey lack perspective how few of them are actually alive
>>1562363664 similar characters who were based on the same real people I should add.
>>156236653when people call it "beanmouth style" they still say it isn't real
>>156236653That's called the genetic fallacy, and absolutely nobody other than you pilpulling retards think anyone other than John K is talking about the Iron Giant instead of beanmouth when they talk about CalArts
>>156236653Before this image was created by tumblr it was called the noodle style
>>156236658>>156236674>>156236689>>156236723Anon it’s clear you don’t know what a "video essay" is stop spamming pics of 4channers being retards
>>156236653It wasn't dismissed, it was flat out denied. It wasn't met with >You aren't labeling the trend correctly the response was almost always >The trend does not exist!As OPs YouTube thumbnail alludes to.Which just added fuel to the fire since instead of redirecting criticisms towards the appropriate target, it just encouraged aimless flaming.
>>156236366Honestly, both of those examples are cherry-picked
>>156236366this is what cartoon network was creating while everyone was arguing over Dipper's head and Gumball's background characters
>>156236074Every single one of Anthony Gramuglia's videos
>>156236136I heard the opposite.
That time BenTheLooney ranted on Martin Scorsese for calling out Marvel movies for being key jingling popcorn flick slop, due to him being a slop consoomer.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DtKv7IzzY-o&pp=ygUcQmVudGhlbG9vbmV5IG1hcnRpbiBzY29yc2VzZQ%3D%3D&ra=m
>>156236653John K coined it in 2010 and it was used to roast adventure time by 2013 so death of the author there
>>156237419Cope
>>156237448>John K coined it in 2010Wasn't it in the 2000s?
>>156236101This is genuinely the worst oneMight as well stop the thread now
>>156236613>device that makes Skrull's posts end in dubs>post ends in dubsOh my...
>>156236074>>156236262Any tranny-made video essay is guaranteed dogshit
>>156236653The same people that would use this defense don’t care about origin technicalities for anything else
>>156236653>a term created by John K. to dismiss The Iron Giant.Is there anything that man actually likes besides 16 year old pussy?
CalArt means corporate slop.I'm surprised you all are not bright enough to understand that even all these years later.
>>156237876Himself
>>156236262>The 4th Vid
>>156236262Anybody who defends live action Disney remakes should be exiled from the internet
Guys, tumblr was right! These are all different artstyles! Cartoons are saved!
>>156238094kek
>>156237876Hanna Barbara cartoons oddly enough
>>156236653>Gumball was the first to use itlolwut? Also you're double retarded because the Gumball pilot looked different, it only became Calarts when it was picked up by an American network.
>>156236074
>>156238094Well, yeah. The fuckass in the bottom right doesn't have circle eyes and has bumpy outlines! Different!
>>156236074>The left is so fucking ass raped by people noticing their bullshit they have resorted to "its not happening but its a good thing that it is" with cartoon aesthetics.
>>156237408The angry Birds movie can be watched as both anti-immigration and anti-colonialism at the same time because the stances aren't mutually exclusive.
>>156236433Mightypups Fanboy doing a reaction of this video would be legendary.
>>156239962The king pig has a Muslim beard, lifted index finger, and there are regularly TNT jokes in the film, that shit can’t be a coincidence.
>>156237900
>>156240281That movie sucks, should've gone with the rooster movie like the animators wanted Walt
>>156240350It is the weakest Walt era film that's fir sure.It definitely has its moments.
>>156236074Why do they keep denying that CalArts is a thing?
>>156240381Because the left is so entrenched in lies and deception they just do it naturally now. See >>156239896
>>156239896Ok I’ll humor you. What is actually wrong with the so called “Cal Arts” style?
>>156240502NTA, but it looks like ass and lacks personality.
>>156240502I never said anything about it being a bad style. I am saying that it is extremely easy to notice political leanings in whoever does the cal arts style. As for the art itself, I actually sort of like it, the issue however is that it is mass produced and lost its charm a long time ago. The worse thing about that style is the smile, I fucking hate that smile.
>>156236101/thread
>>156236366Funny how Hanna-Barbara has lots of styles outside of 1950s Benedict Face.
>>156237143CN still making Beanmouths?
>>156241755No
>>156241755They don't have anything but TTGO
>>156236074"samey art" is very much an issue because artists that make visual medium like drawing or painting are extremely rigid and have been taught there are right and wrong ways to make art. This results in everything being samey.
>>156240502It's less that it's 'wrong' and more that it's 'oversaturated'.When a big enough chunk of the new stuff coming out have a similar design language, people feel it.The individual merit of the shows stops being taken into account because they stop feeling like different shows.At a best case people just get a sense of fatigue from it.At worst it feels astroturfed.
>>156236101spbp
>>156236653I remember first hearing it called the beanmouth style and it was used to refer to steven universe and sans from undertale don't know why it changed to calarts
>>156243335it's funny because sans doesn't even have a beanmouth, that's just a fan art thing
>>156236074Where's the lie, OP?
>>156236124>how to make someone angry>kill a puppy>there is no step 2I really do wonder if these retards actually LIKE this style. It's not like they're children watching this, they are grown ass adults watching thunder cats bean-mouth and defending the art style despite not even liking the show or the series. What compels someone to defend something they dont care about.
>>156244344>What compels someone to defend something they dont care about.they don't not care as much as they want you to think
>>156243335I'm pretty sure it's because some faggots started shitposting the John K article about the CalArts style (i.e. Brad Bird/Iron Giant adjacent shit) around the time PPG2016 came out and acted as if he was talking about the beanmouth style too... even though I don't think he ever mentioned beanmouth shit ever on his blog; not once.For some reason the term just stuck and people kept parroting it. There used to be a schizo here that had a complete meltdown over its oversaturation, insisting it be called "bauhaus style" LMAO
>>156236444These nigs are so gay. If I were to say >tumblr arttheyd be like >tumblr is a website, not an artstyle and not everyone is a hive mind and blah blah blahWhich is true, but they can intuitively know when you say>tumblr>cal arts>bean mouth>80s cartoon>newgrounds>etcIt's a broad but useful term to identify a base for discussion. Then you narrow it down, but the issue is that would require a conversation which is not possible on social media
>>156236074I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this episode wasn't actually transphobic
>>156244358I mean the people who defend it online seem to not watch these shows. I just feel weird if I was defending a movie for being good without actually having watch the movie.
>>156244230Stfu, fag
>>156244428>those viewsHow fucked is this world. This shit really should be getting the level of attention a himeless crack addict's sermons should.
>>156240281Considering CalArts was founded to train new animators, it makes sense the original "CalArrs" style was that economical mid-century Disney animation design.
>>156244428Did anyone see the TV show Milo Murphy's Law?
>>156244491No.
>>156244444That's 90% of commentary Youtubers, if you put deep background music on and speak as if you know your shit suddenly you're Einstein
>>156244491>>156244497No.
>>156244491>>156244497>>156244547Nope
>>156236101Thought of it immediately
>>156236101>all the comments affirming hersociety is dead
>>156236653oui oui!
The “cal arts” style is fundamentally trans since it is obsessed with removing female sexual characteristics from its character designs. Also they love shoving fat women into every thing
The people who defend this slop are just desperate indie fags who just want to look cool and hopefully land a job. It’s obvious that it’s a trend in western animation and it sucks.
>>156240281Nigger, Sir Kay was animated by Milt Kahl. Probably the greatest american animator of all time, and it's unironically some of his best work. Along with Madam Mim in the same movie.You just told everyone in this thread you're a fucking retard.
>>156236101Where do you find these slop?
>>156236101goodall cartoons should be like Teen Titans Go and Rocket Monkeys, cut that diddy shit off
>>156236315 >>156236378because leftoid sophistry is literally 'thing (that I like and you hate) isn't real, stop complaining about it'. They're not trying to outline a truth, only demotivate rightoids persuade an audience.
>>156236074Any of Athena Ps videos
>>156236170Wtf
>>156239782I mean the creators of all these cartoons all definitely have mental disorders so maybe they got a point
Why did the mods undelete this thread? Fucking admins. It’s not related to comics since the CalArts style is a myth created by homophobic pedophile
>>156244358Someone cared enough to make that pic and someone else cared to make an essay defending it. Stop being a dipshit.
>>156248417Better question is "why don't the mods delete obvious trollposts like yours"
>>156248421Nice reading comprehension
>>156240502It didn't look appealing even when it was fresh, and is even more repulsive now when everyone is sick and tired of it. Because it wasn't designed to be appealing, it was purely designed to be financially effective.>its incredible simplicity and simple shape-based uniformity drastically cuts down on man hours needed to learn it and animate a minute of screentime in it>it's used across shows and even networks because all the oversees wage slaves are already proficient in it and don't require training to start animating a new show using itTL;DR: it's visually unappealing, boring and so widespread that everyone got tired of it almost literally immediately when it was established.
>>156248263Stfu, subhuman
>>156236101I just don't have a problem with this or see how it has any negative impact on normal people (it doesn't). It was an alright video, I just disagree.
>>156236101>its bad to have something to nut too
>>156248601>Nice reading comprehension>>they don't not care as much
>>156236735No. That was used for cartoons that had literal noodle arms like Finn from Adventure Time: https://64.media.tumblr.com/97b41a2d7558426af293e4ed38be4133/tumblr_mnotp7od2C1rr2s28o1_500.gifThere was a GF episode in which Dipper parodied those arms but it was never brought up again: https://c.tenor.com/aelI2dQiI7oAAAAd/tenor.gif
>>156236124It's interesting how Cal Arts style is basically just a face mold that's extremely babylike, but the punishment for not liking it is being called a pissbaby.
>>156249138There's this weird campaign against men and male arousal being deemed inherently bad and nature in general being bad, a movement led by feminists and their male feminist goons.Most of the vid is harmless examples that come off as jealousy on the vid makers part.Human nature is sex, grooming, looking attractive, being aroused, etc. and feminists need to accept that.
>>156237419How the fuck is this guy still going
It seems to me that a lot of you haven't yet learned that troons have a greater proclivity to suffer from additional mental illnesses compared to the general population.
>>156236074I have one.>be brit fag>browsing YouTube>find 2 youtube channels >one's an amerimutt leftist who's Palestinian, transgender AND a Muslim>allmywhat>look at her channel>turns out she's made 3 videoshttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JFRx3ibU3yU>"Queer subtext of gravity falls">"Shadow the hedgehog and the war on terror">the feminine horror of shadow the hedgehog Look, if you're gonna be an autist, then at least be one that's useful to society. Not whatever the fuck this is.Oh and another:>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1en7pWRQZPo&pp=ygUSSG9ycmlkIGhlbnJ5IHRyYW5z0gcJCUcMAYcqIYzv>horrid henry: trans icon of fateHonestly I am at a point where troons are either a subject of my willful apathy or mild dislikeWhy can't they just all fuck off or make themselves useful
>>156249138>>156249398>"waa waa women need to be goonslop so I can goon!"
>>156249936Looking at her video she just uploaded on Rouge the Bats desexualization, on one hand, at least she isn’t an anti-sexualization like this faggot >>156236101On the other, DEAR GOD I DIDNT NEED TO SEE THIS AUGGGGHHHHChapters also say something about whitewashing Rouge, don’t even wanna know what the fuck that’s about, like the simple issue is that she’s been desexualized by tumblr dykes or whatever, nothing deeper than that.
>>156250172Rouge used to be spray-tan orange, but essentially just had white people skin tone by 06.Later people found out she was based on Jennifer Lopez from the start so it retroactively became a whitewashing issue.
>>156236101this is diabolical
>>156236101how come grooming kids with cartoons was okay back then, but it's not okay now?
>>156236074>the art isn't bad, your eyes are just old and can't see the beautiful drawings anymorecool gaslight, bro
>>156250561it's only okay now when it's faggot shit
What caused this
>>156236074This video is especially funny because it goes>it doesn't exist>ok it does exist but it's to save money because the corporations are greedy>and writing is more important anyway so everyone complaining about artstyle is doing it in bad faith>and nobody actually dislikes it for the way it looks, everyone who complains about it is just anti-woke>and today's kids in 2040 will be nostalgic for today's (2022) line-up and will say the same thing about shows like The Fungies and Elliott from Earth>also shounen anime is toxic masculinity
>>156250912And the cherry on top>every single time someone tries to revive 2D animation with a new indie project, it ultimately never succeeds in getting off the ground because creators focus on style over writingThis was published in 2022, helluva boss was on season 2
>>156240502It insists upon itself
>>156250059>goonslop is when... a non-ugly woman exists
>>156250912>it does exist but it's to save money>and writing is more important anywayThis is always the excuse when cartoons don't try to do anything out-of-the-box with their animation.
>>156250660YouTube and Streamers
>>156236101Cringekino
>>156250912>shounen anime is toxic masculinityAnd that's why it's popular
>>156237143How can anyone look at the top left faggot and then deny that the calarts style exists?
>>156251708Why didn't they just make better cartoons to compete with youtubers?
>>156252283Most animators don't want to appeal to actual children
>>156240502It'd look much better traditionally animated on cels. I think most criticism other that it being common wouldn't exist if it wasn't bright looking digitally animated crap.
>>156236124He couldn't even imitate the style even sort of.
>>156252653Good
>>156240198LMAO I haven't seen a second of these films but this specific thing sounds hilarious in a post.
>>156252062dunno
>>156236378>>156244344The beanmouth debate is heavily loaded with culture war connotations, so acknowledging/criticizing beanmouth is seen as taboo for political reasons, but I think there's another unspoken reason beyond that, which is that the average cartoon watcher is completely illiterate when it comes to animation as a medium. This includes a lot of folks who pride themselves on "media literacy". Most people who use that phrase only define the concept as understanding a work's plot/message, with the usual added stipulation that not agreeing wholeheartedly with the work's (or their interpretation of the work's) messages and creative choices automatically makes one media illiterate.Proper media literacy involves an understanding of a medium's unique characteristics, the ways in which they are implemented, and the effect that every ingredient has on the holistic experience, but this is too complex and involves too much specialized knowledge for the average fandomite to be interested. This issue applies to the film and video game communities too, but it's probably at its worst in the animation community. (1/2)
>>156236378>>156244344The average cartoon viewer treats animation as nothing more than a vehicle for writing and sometimes visual gags, with no interest in how those aspects intersect and interact with an animation's other artistic elements. They consider character designs to be the only visual aspect of an animation that has any relevance to the meaning and overall essence of a work. Occasionally they'll care about some aspect of a toon's artstyle, but only with a very surface level perspective. For example:>Wow, Gumball blends so many different artstyles and that's cool!>Wow, the neon lights, particle effects, pseudo-cel shading, and low framerate make Into the Spider-Verse so busy! This is what true creative stylization looks like!>Ugh, The Problem Solverz has too many flashing colors and it makes my eyes hurt!It goes without saying that for most of the people who say these things, their mental scope of what is possible in western animation is limited to whatever is being offered by mainstream studios in the present and recent past, and this is even moreso the case with feature length films than with shorts and series.And so because the average cartoon fan barely understands or cares about the visuals in this visual medium, acknowledging the beanmouth style and its oversaturation is seen as a form of irrational nitpicking over irrelevant minutia. From this perspective, criticizing the artstyle in Thundercats Roar seems as petty as hating a man for being under six feet.(2/2)
>>156251708They were given $300,000 to entertain children for 22 minutes and lost to a guy with a webcam and a copy of Slender the Eight Pages
>>156240502>Ok I’ll humor you. What is actually wrong with the so called “Cal Arts” style?It's like a cartoon version of corporate memphis where they're all pretending they're not doing it on purpose. Soulless, inoffensive, lacking individuality to make sure that no everyone looks the same. No one has unique features, there are no ugly people like a papering over of reality rather than a caricature of it like cartoons are supposed to be.It feels evil because it is.
>>156240502lack of form as a cut corner rather than being an intentional artistic choice
>>156251708That combined with the declining quality of western animation (beanmouth lore shows didn’t have as negative of a reputation by the late 2010s and 2020, but even popular ones like Infinity Train, Amphibia, and The Owl House alienated normies for how formulaic and gay they were), the rise of streaming (remember when people saw Netflix as being the future of animation? KEK), and the COVID-19 pandemic fucking up the economy and accelerating the death of cable.
>>156249138Only if you're a straight guy. If you have vagina then you can fetishize gays and openly goon on Xitter every day of the week
>>156249936>Palestinian, transgender AND a MuslimHoly shit is this the triad? How Muslims even have They/Thems?
>>156236626It’s funny how only shows that pander to this kind of demographic get video essays and shit saying dumb stuff like that. I can’t even count how much dumb shit I saw on Hazbin Hotel Twitter.>"you can’t depict Alastor using voodoo magic, that’s racist and cultural appropriation">"you can’t joke about a man getting dragged into a room nonconsenually about to get pounded by a bunch of men, that’s offensive to SA victims">"I’m so glad they decanonized the Jeffrey Dahmer reference in the pilot that’s offensive to Jeffrey Dahmer victims">"How dare they depict a Latino character as having Latino characteristics that’s racial stereotyping", like nigga do these retards realize that VivziePop is hispanic?>"that guy who Alastor murdered was clearly being racist to him and deserved it", he was literally laughing or somethingI don’t even like VivziePops work but the way people hate on this show is retarded, let that be a lesson to never pander to oversensitive terminally online twitterites when making an indie cartoon.
>>156236074>Hanna Barbara style isn't real you're just young
>>156236613Reed developing a device to detect Skrulls and finding out that HE is a Skrull could be an actual story
>>156236124>you're the real problem for getting mad at me causing the problem in the first place!!How did this mentality evolve
Has lore. Me mature
>We cannot forgive Hergé for his chuddy le-problematic media where TinTin romps around the Congo.>the Belgian resistance should've executed him like they wanted to. I hate these people so much.
>>156256251Is >Steven Universe >Adventure Time >Gravity FallsBetter than>Alf tales>chipmunks go to the movies>new kids on the block>Captain N>Wizard of Oz TAS>Camp Candy
>>156254760Hispanic and latino are not races. Latinoamerica is a multiracial region and there's no a single latino look. You're the one being a retard.
>>156236074Not the "worst" video essay but its by far the most amusing. Mark never once encages with any of the social or political satire in any of these episodes; in this video he treats the crips and bloods as fictional entities. He also unintentionally says several slurs in the video which upset his auidence.
>>156252283>>156252653Modern writers, cartoon writers included, don't appeal to anyone at all. And because execs are at an all time greed, cartoons don't even have neat animation to make up for boring and dumb writing. Another industry the victim of the worst of both left and right: progressive politics (social retardation) and maximizing immediate shareholder value (economic retardation).
>>156255509narcissism
Can someone here tell me what th BEST anime/cartoon video essays are? I need shit to listen to at work/exercising.
>>156256296
>>156256486One of the few I've seen giving the proper recognition this series deserve without ironical hipster tranny bullshit.
>>156256257The funny thing is that if any of these retards visited the Congo, they would see Tintin was downright cute in its portrayal compared to the ignorant and violent shithole it is. Herge never actually went there, he just based it on rumors and stereotypes known in Belgium. If he did go, he would 100% decide that the Congo is too hell-like to portray in a family-friendly adventure comic.
>>156256296No but they sure as hell ain’t better than >Batman: The Animated Series>Samurai Jack>Dexters Laboratory>Edd Edd & Eddy>The Ren & Stimpy Show>Courage the Cowardly Dog>Teen Titans>The Powerpuff Girls>Golden Age SpongeBob SquarePantsI fucking hate these strawman arguments where they call people nostalgiafags and claim that they only like 80s shows yet never acknowledge the general higher quality of 90s shows or the people that grew up on them. >>156254336>>156254349perfectly sums it up that normies don’t give a shit about good animation and how reductory the "it’s the story that matters not the art" mindset is.
>>156249936>two hour video essays about rouge the bat getting whitewashed and her titties>somehow this nigga gets a fucking panel at a sonic fandom expo where they give out "muh stolen land muh ice" "my favorite character would agree with me" tier stickersYou know it's bad when I'm nostalgic for sonicfaggotry like richmunk and classic chris chanWhy the fuck are autistic people so susceptible to leftist propaganda? Genuinely depressing shit
>>156256251One of the few Nostalgia Critic videos that aged like milk.
>>156248990Okay shill
>>156256486Any of E;R's videos on the Legend of Korra because you can tell that he actually watched them. Also he's funny despite some shitty views.
>>156257299You're technically right. The guy is dumb as a brick, so his serious reviews always sucked ass. And the Critic videos he started churning out after he lost passion for the character but his autistic audience refused to watch him do anything else except be Critic were never good to begin with. I grew up watching him, but he became completely unwatchable to me around 12-13 years ago. There's nothing worse than an internet clown whose popularity went to his head.
>>156257329I'm not listening to a Neonazi.
>>156256486The best animation videos usually come from either channels that don’t exclusively reviews cartoons (Steak Bentley) or have a specific niche they usually don’t stray from (TheRealJims).The best general animation channels are probably Steve Reviews and Shady Doorags, and that’s mostly because they don’t feel the need to conform to what’s popular.
>>156236668>these people's world perceptions has been skewed by being in hug boxesI agree, like this shithole. We have vermin wanting to accelerate world chaos while money people are just wanting peace to continue on with their lives. Mostly on the right and the ****center**** and fake left. Left represents peace but there are still bitter resentful faggots that don't know when to start acting like adults and need to bitch and moan about jews and trannies.
>>156257007>No but they sure as hell ain’t better than>>Batman: The Animated Series>>Samurai Jack>>Dexters Laboratory>>Edd Edd & Eddy>>The Ren & Stimpy Show>>Courage the Cowardly Dog>>Teen Titans>>The Powerpuff Girls>>Golden Age SpongeBob SquarePantsall true
>>156257620>money people are just wanting peace to continue on with their livesTheir comfort comes at the expense of the suffering of countless others. They kidnap children and use them as sex slaves. They hold our technology hostage with killswitches.
>>156257007I was listing off doug walker's era specifically
>>156257667Douge is a fucking idiot.
>>156257502He got better after ChangeTheChannel ironically enough.
>>156257007We're in the second animation dark age and it isn't even arguable that we're not. And at least the first one had Hanna-Barbera's cheap-ass, but competently written stuff. We have literally nothing new of worth to watch and discuss. We seriously need to push a list with good old stuff so we can get people on here discussing it. I'm pretty sure 75% of current /co/ never even saw most of the new classics you mentioned, forget older classics like Duck Tales and Rescue Rangers or true classics like the OG Looney Tunes and Tom & Jerry. Alternatively, we need to get the oldfags watching something obscure, like Beverly Hills Teens or Goldie Gold some shit, or better yet something obscure and good.
>>156257696How better? "I still hate my audience for having to play Critic, but I actually try now and no longer spit in their face when they critique me" better or actually better to where he's fun to watch again?
>>156257696>he got betterhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=wg4EZW3_XuA
>>156257757NTA, but he can actually give genuine critiques instead of just putting unfunny jokes in between the movie’s scenes (though he still does that sometimes depending on how interested he is in the movie)
>>156256486CartoonAesthetics' vids are good
>>156257847Aren't you the guy who likes Disventure Camp?
>>156258049Nope, just find many fandoms (including Total Drama) fascinating
>>156258090Nah you're an unironic fan
>>156257007>how reductory the "it’s the story that matters not the art" mindset is.I recently watched a video essay encapsulating this mindet. The youtuber was criticizing the idea that kids media doesn't have to be well written, talking about how important it is for children to be raised on meaningful and thought provoking stories. He took the industry to task for allowing writing standards to decline, but made only a brief token reference to the decline of visual artistry, treating it as an unrelated and far less important issue. Here's what he said:>I've seen a lot of people complaining about the transition to using that cheap beanmouth animation, and yes that style is bad, but bean-brained writers are the much bigger issue here. If the movies were good, if they had something worth saying and said it well, a stylistic change would matter much less and would be much more easily corrected. You can always address cosmetic concerns down the road, but if your engine is broken, your car isn't going anywhere.>If the movies were good, if they had something worth saying and said it well,Here he's basically saying that the quality of a film is determined entirely by its writing, as if every other aspect is irrelevant. The animation in an animated movie isn't like a car's cosmetics, it is the engine, not the writing. The writing is more like the car's driver: it decides where the car goes, but it's not what gives the car the power to run.Even though he can identify lazy and thoughtless writing as being bad for a child's development, he doesn't seem to grasp that so are lazy and uninspired visuals are also unhealthy for a child's mind and imagination, nor does he seem to see the decline of writing standards and the decline of visual standards as connected problems. (1/2)
>>156257007I was pissed when he said this:>New show's like Bluey prove that we are still capable of producing substantive art that is "made for kids", for now, but if we keep elevating the empty, keep giving time and attention to projects with nothing to say except "give us your time and attention", then that is all there will ever be. We have to demand better, we have to actually reward the things that are actually worth watching *plays Bluey clip* and refuse to treat empty content as inevitable.I've never watched Bluey, but no matter how good it's writing might be, that doesn't cancel out how vacuous the visuals are. By treating Bluey's (and the rest of industry animation's) visual shortcomings as irrelevant, this guy is himself elevating the empty and refusing to demand better. I guess I should link the video since that's what this thread is for.https://youtube.com/watch?v=kg-IPE1u_4o&ra=m(2/2)
>>156258252Perhaps he doesnt realize the writing problems and art style problems go hand in hand? Not always, but sometimes the writer or director is the artist of the show.
>>156258262I mean, maybe the guy you’re referring to is more focused on the writing aspect of storytelling than the visuals? Some people are just like that.
Is there a hard study where they tested the same script in a variety of artstyles and found a negligible impact on viewer retention, or is this some armchair "Art is subjective, eye of the beholder" shit
>>156258345Some people are but if they're gonna make a video essay like that they should just acknowledge that they don't have much to say about visuals instead of pretending they're not important.
>>156237419Doesn’t he draw porn now?
>>156250912Why do these fags try to make it a left vs right thing. Even when tumblr wasnt wiped clean by yahoo, they had complaints about overloading cartoons with cheap bean animation. Those algorithms really keep the perspective thin.
>>156240502it's shit.
Why can't we go back?
>>156256459Is there a single video about discussing hundreds of episodes individually that's actually good?
>>156241910No, that's just for asians who can't create new art, but can sure copy the heck out of something.
>>156247459And who do you think all the Calarts grads were copying? Look at any Don Bluth film and tell me how it's any different (apart from exaggerating the bouncy elbowy walking even more).
>>156236074There are just some videos that I refuse to click. I don't want reward them or flood my recommendations for a small chance that the opinion is different.
>>156258435The CalArts style is 100% a leftist creation, it’s designed to promote “body positivity” among the youth and blur genders by making every girl super androgynous.
>>156236101>>156246658She is right, though, these series sexualized children and turned women into perverse jew fantasies, they are not worth preserving.>>156249398porn addiction is worse for men and young boys then ever to horrific affects, it's something RW and feminists can agree on and should work on ending.
So much of western animation was just a big waste of time and energy. Anime also wasted a lot of time and energy on bullshit but they squeezed out more shows and movies that respected people's time before everything washed out into nothing and mehness
This was beautifully animated
>>156236074Why is she turning off dislike button on every video, if we "can't" see them anyway.
>>156256486Defunctland has a pretty good History segment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNF6XhSF0a8
>>156260142I just don't think the heteronormal content that happens in /co/ media every so often is causing that. I don't think there's anything wrong with sexualized women appearing in cartoons to an extent. The vid maker is essentially saying sexualized women is a major focus in the examples given when in reality are seconds long scenes (Gaston scene) in a 1:20:00 runtime movie or a single scene in Animaniacs (Minerva Mink scene) when the majority of the show is about all sorts of things.This becomes almost impossible to talk about because one side is hiding behind "won't somebody please think of the children?" and villainizes heterosexuality by saying that showing an attractive woman on a movie or cartoon that serves no purpose other than being attractive is a form of grooming of the child audience, which my argument is that is a ridiculous thing to claim.
>>156236654this is true about everyone, and if you disagree, you're a child molester. oh? you object to me using that term about you? I guess you hate that you can't dictate the way I label you then, huh?
>>156256257>we cannot forgive people for not liking old Tintin comics>we should put words in their mouth that they clearly don't actually believe
