LUCYSPACE STATUS[ ] Taken over Sues mind finally[X] Shatter completely Sue is now immune
>>156237435Mmmm pretty sure she put herself in the hospital and her parents sent her away for being a fucking nutcase but whatever
>>156237435DO NOT BUY SUECOIN! It's the dead cat bounce, fittingly.
>>156237435>put you in the hospital>sent you awayFirst was Lucy herself, second was her parents.Sorry, Sue, your gay lesbian crush on Lucy isn't pointless just because of Mike. Maybe you should accept that Lucy doesn't like you as much as you think.
>>156237435>Mike gave you the cold shoulder then said mean words>this was way worse than that time you got beaten up and almost raped Sue what the fuck, you're supposed to be the smart one. This is straight up Lucy tier.
>>156237503Sue is still jealous that Alejandro went for Lucy instead of her. The very first time she figured out she's an ugly loser, not the hot shit she thought she is
>>156237435Huh guess we got both. Sue fighting back against Lucyspace but in the dumbest possible way
>>156237435>And yet whem I fuck up for not reading your mind WTF? Sue is talking as if she were a member of this thread, which Anon possessed her.
>>156237435I think more mikefags need to realize that the problem is taeshi making everyone look worse so lucy can look more like a victim. Just something to think about in regards to the discussion from the last thread.
Guys, I think that Sue miiiiiiiight be harboring a grudge against Mike.
>>156237636Oh I think we all remember last thread just fine.
>>156237435Is Sue implying that Mike didn't get shit heaped on him for not reading her mind either? It's kind of funny. She got put on Mike duty for only a month and she's already blowing a gasket on Lucy.
>>156237435This is almost a good crashout, but the problem is Sue is still "crashing out" from a perspective of "I want you to like me so bad!"It should've been a "I can't believe I ever cared about what YOU thought of me."This isn't Lucyspace losing power, it's Lucyspace making a false concession to trick those who hate it into thinking it's losing.
>>156237435McCain's ethereal heart can't handle it much more, is Sue ACTUALLY doing it? Or will she disappoint in the end?
>>156237435Mikefag here. Before you retards go on a tizzy about Sue ratfucking Mike here, her main point is that Lucy is CONSTANTLY making excuses for him when she shouldn't be. It's all double-standards here.
>>156237797It's still a stupid focal point and should be more focused on Lucy simply being insane. A more sensible tangent from the Al pseudo rape attempt would've been "why the fuck do you have that asshole's crony living under your roof? The very same crony that also tried to rape one of our friends?
>>156237839> focused on Lucy simply being insaneWell hopefully thats the next page leaker anon where are you
Lol
>>156237882And 0 signs of any compassion for Mike to be found.
>>156237435I don't even necessarily disagree with Sue here, though blaming Mike for Lucy trying to kill herself is way too much, I understand the point she's trying to make.I just find it ironic considering Sue does the exact same thing she's accusing Lucy of, it's just that Sue does it for Lucy instead of Mike. It'd actually be really thematic if this was intentional on the writer's part, but we all know it isn't.
>>156237937Sue bullying Lucy with FACTS AND LOGIC like Lucy bullied Mike with her fists. Expect her to call Sue a fucking LEECH soon.
>>156237797>her main point is that Lucy is CONSTANTLY making excuses for him when she shouldn't beNo, she fucking doesn't. Lucy has intentionally used her suicide attempt to guilt fuck Mike. She blames him for their falling out via letters and ignores her own actions. She actively enjoyed messing with him when she could. The fuck do you mean excuses?>>156237882Fuck their idea of "compassion". The only difference is Lucy never tried to rape Mike when she beat him.
>>156237797>her main point is that Lucy is CONSTANTLY making excuses for him when she shouldn't beWhen? Where? Certainly not anytime since Lucy came back that Sue has seen. The one singular positive acknowledgement that Lucy has thrown Mike's way so far just came out of her mouth, but Sue has been on this train of thought for pages now. And Lucy's not even wrong! Without Mike butting back in, things *would* have been so much worse! From Sue's perspective, Lucy has been treating Mike with indifference at best, so her accusation should sound like that of a crazy jealous person. She just happens to be spot on about Lucy because she read the script.
>>156238000I think he meant more she is making excuses for him when someone else is targeting him rather than herself. Which just draws more attention to her insanity since, as you said, Lucy tortures him over the very same things
>>156237435>"Mike put you in the hospital!"No, he did not.>"He did something to you way worse than what happened that night"Mean words and the cold shoulder being worse than attempted rape is a Twitter talking point. What the fuck?>"When I fuck up for not reading your mind, you lay into me like this?"This is will agree with Sue on. The only thing she isn't aware of is that Lucy does this to everybody.Sue giving Lucy a reality check is fine. But the problem is once again it pushes every action lucy took into Mike's control and leaves her no agency.
>>156238077>This is will agree with Sue on. The only thing she isn't aware of is that Lucy does this to everybody.Also agreed. It's high time Lucy heard this. Unfortunately it's overshadowed by all this unyielding horseshit and thus can be easily dismissed by association from Lucy's self-pitying perspective.
>>156237882>Compassion.When people had compassion for Mike over LitS and not the others, she got mad.When people had compassion for Sue during the ticket chapter and not Paulo, she got mad.She can blab on about compassion and empathy all she wants, she cant make people direct that towards the character she wants them to.
>>156238000>>156238034Maybe I should've been more clear. It's the fact that Lucy is more than ready to throw herself towards Mike yet again despite all of the bullshit between them. Last chapter she was doing just that, but Mike thankfully pushed her away, albeit barely. No matter how much Lucy hates Mike, how much she feels humiliated by him, she'll always go back to him whenever she's given the chance. That's what I meant by her constantly making excuses for Mike, cuz she doesn't give that same grace to anybody else AT ALL.
I was wondering where it was finally gonna get weird. I see I missed Friday but lol, lmao even
>>156238200>It's the fact that Lucy is more than ready to throw herself towards Mike yet again despite all of the bullshit between them.Yeah, that's my point. Sue should know nothing about that. She's pulling ooc knowledge from the comic itself. From her perspective, Lucy has been doing the opposite of what Sue's going on about. This whole fucking accusation should have come from Augustus, the one guy on the factory floor who is well aware of Lucy's weakness.
>>156237435Since OP didn't post it afterwards, here.
>>156237435
>>156238248I mean I figured everyone at the table knew how bad Lucy has it for Mike. David and Paulo see it, with Paulo being confident enough that things would go back to "normal" if Mike and Lucy just hurry got together already.
>>156238269>turned Lucy around on Mike a little Since Taeshi's hallucinations are poisoning narrative from inside the comic itself now, I see no reason to take her ever-shifting meta comments seriously.
>>156238200> No matter how much Lucy hates Mike, how much she feels humiliated by him, she'll always go back to him whenever she's given the chance.That doesn't sound like she's making excuses for Mike; more like she feels possessive of him and/or obsessed with him. It's less that she makes excuses for Mike and more that she makes excuses for herself.Mike pretty much avoided her post-EF. Hell, there was no reason for Lucy to join LITS; she could let Agstus try and deal with it solo. When she later clings to Mike, he wasn't the one who went to her; he was actively avoiding her via the 2nd agreement. We even see in this chapter that Mike seems to try to hide himself from her since he wasn't running.
Uh oh your daughter saw your meltdown Faith!
>>156238297>I mean I figured everyone at the table knew how bad Lucy has it for Mike.Explain how. Based on Lucy's behavior in front of them, explain how that is possible. >but Paulo believes-Paulo is a retarded Lucy simp and has offered zero reasonn as to why he should hold that opinion.
>>156238318Goddamn this bitch really is fucking worthless. Can't even make a private phonecall right.
>>156238297maybe before she left. but since her return and especially since LitS, they've had no positive interactions. It wasnt that long ago Paulo said they should make up so things can go back to normal.
>>156238360I'd argue everything clicked for Sue once Lucy started batting for Mike a few pages ago, all but confirming she views him as her fuckin knight in shining armor.
>>156238287Sue's most valuable traits as a character were her alleged intelligence and organic fallibility. So if course Taeshi had to take an ice pick to her frontal lobes and violate causality to force this argument.
>>156238413What, based on an acknowledgement of actual fact in the face of Lucy's public ongoing indifference toward the guy? That's not "clicking," that's massive reach fueled by...I don't know, confirmation bias?
>>156237435>>156237543My God dude, you just can't with with this fucking comic, at most you get this, little bit of somethin nice while a little bit of shit thrown together too.>>156237503Why the hell is Sue throwing Mike under the bus like this man? I thought only Paulo did that. I liked Sue, but this shit is ruining the character. She is supposed to be the thinking and self-controlled one on the group, so why isn't she seeing this for what it is? Mike didn't 'put her in the hospital' nor 'sent her away'. Lucy did all those things to her herself. Actions and consequences.People in this comic act as if Mike was worse than Alejandro or something. Dude gets more flak than rapists.
>>156238542Just Mike being proven correct once again. They were never his friends. They only like him based on his status quo relationship with Lucy and nothing more.
>>156238077>Sue giving Lucy a reality check is fine. But the problem is once again it pushes every action lucy took into Mike's control and leaves her no agency.Sue literally never does this, she only blames Mike for shit he did and points out that Lucy is treating her worse despite it, she never says Mike is the one making her act the way she is you're just imagining this.>>156238269>What the hell made you so straightUh oh, Taeshi's officially so mad at Sue she's basically calling her a dyke Be prepare for a new chapter to spear Sue as a jealous, selfish lesbian who only tries to be Lucy's friend because she wants in her pants.
>>156237882It's not like she had the power to change anyway
>>156238570The tragedy of it all is that the existence of EVERY character is bound to Lucy one way or another. It's kinda like Haruhi Suzumiya.
>>156238759Uh... in english, doc.
>>156237435You'd think mike was the one who pushed her off the building
>>156238598>she only blames Mike for shit he didWhat she wants to believe he did, anyway.
>>156238817Is this one of those retcons where Taeshi is too lazy to go back and actually draw something and just declares it canon anyway? I'd rather believe that Sue is just crazy jealous of Mike over Lucy and has let the feeling fester too long without giving it a critical eye. At least that's a character foible to play around with.
>>156238772It's an anime/manga. In it, you have a character who is a high school girl with a group of friends doing typical life stuff, but it is later revealed that the girl can alter the fabric of reality on a whim without even knowing it whenever she feels sad, and the rest of her group of friends are actually just members of different organizations sent to observe her and make sure she doesn't become sad and destroy reality in the process .
>>156238886What events were going on when McCain disappeared? I think I'm on to something...
>>156237435>The worst thing you can do to an irritating woman with BPD is to stop putting up with them>"Mike cutting you off is worse than that time a thug tried to rape you in an alleyway"Queen of letting shit go eh Tae?>>156237882I get these fags love trying to apply the word the learned on Sesame Street in their 20+ year old High School drama webcomic, but how in the fuck do you move on from this? Sue vehemently believes that Mike is the root cause of all Lucy's problems and she always picks Lucy over Mike as a friend anyway. Why the fuck would anyone want Mike and Sue to reconcile? This is a real line in the sand. Why bring attention to the fact that Mike and Lucy's "friends" all blame Mike for Lucy jumping off a building and almost ending her life.>Just have compassion>Just forgive something unforgivable>Exemplified by Sue literally not forgiving the unforgivable
>>156239083>she always picks Lucy over Mike as a friend anyway.He sperging, but he is right about Sue only caring about Lucy.
>>156238817The people from this thread are the only ones struggling to understand that Mike was responsible for Lucy's suicide attempt, either because you're too biased to accept Mike did anything wrong at all or usually because you're socially inept and think no one's actions should effect someone else (unless it's James or Lucy making Mike sad then it's totally different)This chapter has been enlightening
The problem with this comic is taeshi constantly changes shit. Obviously she edits dialogue and redraws panels, but she also just randomly changes her mind, so there's no internal consistency. Lucy's slapstick tsundere bullshit gets recontextualized with a flashback of mike limping around bleeding while delivering battered wife dialogue, which made him calling her a parasite seem like an underreaction if anything, then taeshi decided she didn't like Lucy not being a victim so I guess that didn't happen and he iced her out for I guess the lulz? So his girlfriend wouldn't be jealous? And now he emotionally abused her and drove her to suicide, with such cruelty that it was more damaging than a violent attempted rape. Lucy was shown to be falling in love with Paulo, to the point where there was an alternate path chapter (since deleted from the archive and memory-holed) showing that they would have ended up as a couple if they just spent a little more time together (I know it was framed as Paulo daydreaming, but it's written like any of the other 'what if the plot was allowed to progress ever' bcis and was treated as such) but then Lucy comes back, inexplicably acts like she wants to go on a date, then while on that date says she never had any romantic feelings for him and it never would have happened. Sandy has a completely different personality every time she turns up. And so on for every plot point this comic has ever had. Since the comic is full of plot points that are incompatible with eachother, readers pick the ones that resonate with them the most, often the ones that make the characters they like look good and the characters they don't like look bad, and designate those canon. And then years of shit-flinging /co/ threads.
>>156239138Thank heavens you're here to civilize the thread, anon. Just when I thought there would be no hope coming from the homelands. Help me explain to these heathens the benefits of the Missionary Position!
>>156239219>Lucy's slapstick tsundere bullshit gets recontextualized with a flashback of mike limping around bleeding while delivering battered wife dialogue, which made him calling her a parasite seem like an underreaction if anythingWhat is the appropriate reaction to a girl who abused you for years? I have thought more and more that December was Mike being nice comparatively, but no idea what a more appropriate reaction would be besides cutting Lucy out of his life.
>>156237882Is this the first time suit has waded into the comments since the old comment section got nuked? I wonder what triggered him/ taeshi? "Metaphorically, Lucy raped Mike in an alleyway" is the only thing that seems at all egregious
>>156239138Nope. Lucy was/is responsible for her own actions. Stop excusing the mentally ill abuser and placing the entirety of her mental health onto one guy.
>>156239230>Rapes you full nelson style.
>>156238133That is THE problem with BCB. Taeshi talks about compassion and sympathy but she only wants her favorite characters to receive it. You're NEVER supposed to sympathize with any of the characters Taeshi doesn't favor.If you say you feel bad for Daisy, what with how she gets ignored by the other 3 main characters and bullied into feeling bad about herself, Taeshi will go off about how Daisy is sexist and dumb. If you say you feel bad for Mike, due to him getting bullied into depression by people who claimed to be his "best friends", Taeshi will tell you that ACTUALLY Mike is a manipulative diva who needs to get over himself. If you say you feel bad for Sue, who's repeatedly gotten peer-pressured into apologizing to her bullies despite them having zero intention to stop messing with her, then Taeshi will call you silly and say that Sue deserves it for being a know-it-all.If you say you feel bad for Abbey, who (still) gets bullied, never gets properly apologized to, and got told the shittiest thing imaginable as a "peace offering", then Taeshi will make fun of you and say that obviously Abbey is more forgiving than you are.And if you DARE to say that Paulo, David, James, Augustus, or Lucy herself might be bad people, what with being the ones who DO the bullying, then Taeshi will mock and go "you need more compassion".
>>156239283It's kind of hard to gauge what would and wouldn't have been appropriate, nowadays, thanks to how awful Lucy has become. Mike was just trying to hurt her back, drive her away, and maybe kill the last embers of affection he held for Lucy, but he's turned out to be spot on about bow cat. Lucy is a parasite because to almost everyone she is a burden with no positive returns on investment. She uses people and throws them aside when convenient. By all rights, the group should neither love nor stick around her. Look at Sue being totally right about Lucy's bullshit and yet STILL choosing to associate with the creature despite all reason. Even as Lucy's happy delusions are being torn apart in front of her, the last iron hard strands of Lucyspace prevent Sue from leaving. Lucy is a walking pit trap on every level and is actively worsening the lives of everyone around her save for Augustus. Most everyone would have been better off if Lucy was less incompetent at suicide.
>>156239378I wouldn't say this is particularly consistent either. Like in regards with Mike, she'll dunk on him and speak of him like he is blatantly supposed to be "the bad guy" and you should hate him. However then when people do hate him all of a sudden its too much and she gets pissy about that too.
>>156238318Goddamn, this shit hits hard. I kind of feel bad for Faith, but I feel worse for her children.And as I keep saying, THIS is how you do "crazy person hurts those close to them" while still having the crazy person be sympathetic. Faith isn't making excuses for herself or acting out of malice, she sincerely loves her kids and her husband, but her intense moodswings and tendency to project means she hurts them despite not wanting to, which further feeds into her complex in a vicious cycle. Take fucking notes, Taeshi.
>>156237435So this has me asking two questions.If mike was held in such high regard when it came to the main reason Lucy apparently hates her friends, why did she follow through with LitS? Just what was Mike supposed to do afterward when she came running to him?If Sue knew THIS much then why would she even tolerate Mike being anywhere near the table or the gaming nerds at any point between now and the attempt? She wouldn't have even attempted to check on him after he had that blow up in the lunch room long ago if she had this information. If she didn't get it until after, then why didn't she talk to anyone else in the gang about it? Why did she look like she'd even consider his apology when James popped up? Sue had no reason to not pull Daisy or even Paulo to the side and talk about it when Mike wasn't around.>Mike being responsible. Mike chewed Lucy out and went harder than he should have in the bubble of that moment. But then here's the thing, even if it wasn't a great one, Mike apologized. He wanted to start over with Lucy and she, as far as he knew, accepted it right there. If Lucy holds Mike in such a high regard, then why did she still take a leap? If anything, with how she is, that should have either evened her out and made her happy or had her snap at him for those harsh words, but not jump.. It would be different if he didn't even try to say sorry, but him doing that and this pedistal Lucy has for him throws a wrench into the reasoning. >>156239283He did try to slowly cut Lucy out of his life. The thing is that in that moment he freaked out. He got afraid that if things went back to normal then Lucy wouldn't learn shit. He's running on anger from years of putting up with her attitude and the others when he makes the december speech.
>>156238269>Since OP didn't post it afterwardsI legit cant post her fucking scitzorants I just cant
>>156239283I would say the telling her to fuck off for good and completely cutting her out of his life and refusing to acknowledge her any more would be the more relatively appropriate option. However given what has transpired since I highly doubt this more accepted approach would accomplish anything. What with her plot teleporting and all. I mean shit even in the BCI where the cunt died she quite literally haunted him.
>>156239341I can't stop you, but just make sure not to tell me I suck, okay? There's only so much a poor little snowflake like me can take.
>>156239502>I suckWell if you insist.>Rapes your mouth.
>>156239283One of my favorite aspects of BCB is how quickly the readers would/characters sh write Luke off as a psycho to be avoided and not a someone hurt and in need of attention and consideration
>>156238413I think this is a decent argument and could hold weight. Sue didn't bring up Mike until after Lucy went all "Mike's the only one who did anything (so he's the only one I can trust)", so Sue going "what the fuck, why are you still so obsessed with Mike when the ground between you is fucking radioactive" makes sense as a reaction.Problem is that Taeshi is a hack, she can't write cause-and-effect, and she blatantly plays favorites with the characters her clit gets hard for. So there's zero trust that this argument represents a back-and-forth between a concerned but justifiably fed-up friend and a crazy person who's doubling down. Instead the universal assumption, which is reinforced by Taeshi's commentary, is that this is meant to be Lucy the ever-victim once again unfairly maligned (for constantly being mean for no reason) by those who claimed to want the best for her. Oh if only Sue had infinite patience and grace, perhaps Lucy could eventually get better, but it seems that like Mike, Sue is just a selfish lying attention-seeker who wants unreasonable things like "not constantly being bullied" and "some reciprocation or at least appreciation for her kindness". Truly, Lucy is assailed on all sides.
>>156237435Suefags see this page and then act dumb when people talk about Mike and not the more and more elusive "truth nuke" she's supposed to be raining down
>>156239590Nothing but laughing at Luke's suicide attempt, & calling him a faggot for rejecting Michelle CF, and acting like a psycho later. I have no idea how you write Luke trying to rape the rape victim(and still an attempted rapist), Agustina, after EF.
>>156239219Everything in this comic is like this. Lucy is never shown to have any lingering after effects from confrontation beyond very occasionally worrying about Alejandro coming back to finish the job, but then suddenly she's having constant PTSD nightmares and freaking out if anyone touches her shoulder and actually she's only cruel to sue because sue didn't save her(!!!). I think this was introduced because taeshi realised the defining trauma of lucy's life being 'one time someone stopped being friends with me' was really lame. The older girls are shown to despise Augustus because of what he tried to do to daisy, then suddenly he's their friend. In the daisy gets an abortion bci abbey forgives her immediately for cheating, only breaking up with her when he finds out she was pregnant and it's too much for him to bear, but then in the Paulo funeral comic he storms off because daisy says she loved Paulo. Mike's sisters angst is tell-don't-showed out of nowhere.
>>156239138Every few months this deranged argument resurfaces, and every time I wonder if it's Taeshi herself posting on an alt, because I genuinely struggle to believe anyone thinks this is a reasonable standard of responsibility.Mike is responsible for what he said to Lucy. That doesn't make him responsible for her suicide attempt. The distinction between hurting someone and being morally accountable for their subsequent actions is absolutely fundamental. Under your logic, anyone who rejects, insults, breaks up with or otherwise hurts someone becomes liable for whatever psychological consequences follow, however extreme. Society literally cannot function under such a standard. You're advocating a world where everyone's autonomy is subordinate to the most catastrophic possible reaction of another person and the fact that you dress this up as some profound insight into human relationships while calling everyone else socially inept is fucking incredible.Sorry but this really pisses me off, way too many mentally ill people seem too comfortable to excuse themselves of responsibility these days.
>>156239549More, I wanna see more ERP in these threads. Call that anon Rachel and impregnate that bitch.
>>156239469My working theory is Sue is the "status quo" manager of the group. Her primary role is to de-escalate and stay level headed on behalf of the groups stability. But she's also not above icing people she doesn't like out so long as she isn't the instigator so it'll be a group decision and not hers. Prime example being the MMO meetup where everyone rightfully shits on Paulo being a selfish shithead, where she keeps the flow on Paulo hate and aggressively ices out Mike by bringing Lucy's jump. Take the chapter where Stacy rightfully calls Sue an online friend only loser who can't hang out with the popular kids. Sue gets MORE offended by not being accepted into a group rather than the rejection itself. It'd be nice if Taeshi actually explored these kind of themes but she's a friendless loser with no life experience so every girl she doesn't like just becomes so mean girl fill in.
>>156239748You're making it weird, bro. The cornersitters aren't supposed to talk.
Remember when Jess made a play that portrayed her endlessly loyal best friend as a vapid slut and the girl she'd been dating for about a month as her saviour and then it didn't matter and was never mentioned again
>>156239891Yes, and I always question why she is such a fucking cunt to her friends. Hell, I'd argue Dogslut had it way worse with the Tess old bully bullshit than Jess.
>>156239620The patrons overhype as always.
>>156239378I usually avoid hating on the author much, and I know she went through some bad times in her life, but Taehi is one of the few authors I might feel at liberty to say: she is retarded.I truly cannot comprehend how she CAN'T UNDERSTAND why some people do not like her bully asshole characters. I know she uses them as a sort of cope mechanism to push back and express her frustrations, but the audience isn't her, and people can just see them for what they are.
>>156239549Does this mean I'm no longer a virgin?
>>156239419Mike is weird because he's both one of the favorites AND a character she doesn't like or care about, depending on how Taeshi's feeling that month. She has two mutually exclusive interpretations of him: >Mike the put-upon patient nice guy (unironic) who gets bullied by Paulo/Lucy/James until he can't take it anymore but still wants the best for them and doesn't want to bother anyone with his problems; he never asked to be the guy everyone crushed on.>Mike the "put-upon patient nice guy" (ironic) who fishes for attention and pity despite never intending to reciprocate but then gets upset when anyone moves on or puts him on the spot; he actually liked the bullying because it was attention.And keeps switching between them. Like, the Mike in Eternal Flame (ch. 110) and Double Down (ch. 114), who overshares, blames Sandy, and fishes for affection from the other girls he knows (but ultimately doesn't intend to give them a chance), is NOT consistent with the character in Burnt Bridges (ch. 111) and Track Meet (ch. 115) who refuses to open up, blames himself, and who's pity-baiting behavior is subtle and wrapped in apologies.I don't know what exactly the separation is. It's possible Taeshi considers these two interpretations to both be true simultaneously, given her seeming confusion as to why others don't "understand the nuance" and insistence that "both things can be true!". But it's also possible she does realize the contradiction, and switches between them based on some hidden variable that I don't have the ability to measure, as evidenced by the wild swings in how she talks about him.
>>156239947That's what living in a bubble echo chamber for too long does to a person.
>>156239966>blames SandyAlways morally correct.
>>156237435Why is Sue still implying she's at fault for not reading Lucys mind with that "when I fuck up" line? Even when she stands up for herself she still speaks like she's groveling for approval.
>>156239947Her audience used to like her bully asshole characters too as long as they were on the "Right side".Cracks for that crowd didn't start appearing until Line in the Sand because the situation was just that damn stupid. Otherwise I imagine she just refuses to understand because that means she might have to look at herself as a person to figure out it out.
>>156240064>Even when she stands up for herself she still speaks like she's groveling for approval.Is Sue even allowed to do less?
>>156240047>Always morally correct.I mean, she did cheat unless Taeshi now wants to say she was groomed. She is very unclear on that.>Sandy actually got groomed by the only straight hairdresser in the fashion industry> Reason her mom caught on cause a hairdresser showing interest in a female was odd.
>>156239966Incidentally, the best in-universe explanation for this inconsistency is assuming that Mike is an undiagnosed low-functioning schizophrenic.Common negative symptoms of schizophrenia:>Lack of self-care, such as regular grooming, eating, and rest>Depressed mood; often manifests as strong irritability or sadness>Emotional withdrawal from others, and from activities>Difficulty with abstract or nuanced thinking>Disorganized behavior, such as emotional reactions that are not consistent with the contextCommon positive symptoms of schizophrenia:>Hyperactive pattern recognition resulting in "predictions of the future" (which in a social context are often self-fulfilling)>Confirmation bias with regard to those patterns>Lost time, hallucinations, and difficulty distinguishing between reality and fantasy>Mood swings; depressed mood may be interrupted by manic periods>Delusional or distorted self-image; common variations include "Martyr/Persecuted", "Grandiose/Heroic", and "Pathetic/Worthless"
>>156237435So Sue isn't brainwashed, she just doesn't actually know what happened. Well played, Taeshi.
>>156240114Taeshi's defaulted to saying that sandy is trying her best with mike and had to give up stuff to keep the relationship going like she's suffering too. She even had Daisy of all people say they didn't know sandy's side of the story when Paulo talked about her
>>156240081It's notable how most everything up to that point since Burnt Bridges had been Mike sympathy bait. So her reaction comes across as>c'mooooon stop hating Mike for EF already>NO NOT LIKE THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HATE HIM FOR SHIT I JUST MADE UP WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!
>>156239306>Metaphorically, Lucy raped Mike in an alleywaylucy was never raped at all, so its more like metaphorically lucy has used violence to traumatize mike, which... is right actually
>>156240139Personally I actually sympathize with Sandy more than I do Mike, because Sandy actually has external problems and some degree of agency. I can't bring myself to stay invested in a "character" like Mike who's problems are all petty drama shit, and who never DOES anything, just goes along with stuff.Plus Sandy is barely in the comic, and characters in BCB get less likable the more chapters Taeshi writes them.
>>156237882now you've done ityou're gonna be thanos snap'd by suit and taeshiit was nice knowing you kiall
>>156239607I don't think it's a good argument at all. Because what Sue actually said is that Lucy never trusted anyone but Mike. What about Lucy's statements thus far indicate she trusts Mike at all, right now, on any level?
>>156240143Taeshi seems to assume you're supposed to hate characters for some moments and feel sympathy for them for others but as separate moments instead of considering the before and after. Most people don't operate that way so when a character looks bad for years, people wont suddenly stop hating them when you want. Same with Liking a character.
>>156240238I also like characters who do nothing and just go along with stuff. This why I like Sandy more than Mike.
>>156237435This is stupider than the patrons led me to believe but I'm still glad that Sue is standing up for herself in some way.>>156238269If this turns into "Sue is just a jealous manipulator" I may finally have that aneurysm I've been talking about
>>156240290NTA, but to be fair to Sue, I can see how she would reach that conclusion. Lucy did just say that everyone besides Mike almost let her get raped when that was far from the truth. So it's easy to come to the conclusion that Lucy never cared about anyone but Mike in this instance.
>>156238269>--ming faggot. Like my husband. Who I project upon Mike for not giving me children while I was fertile and something something Goldiemalding.There, I finished the paragraph for her.
>>156240313I buy Sue being jealous, but a manipulator? Girl couldn't even manipulate her legs properly during a cheerleader tryout. Guile is not her wheelhouse.
>>156240290>What about Lucy's statements thus far indicates she trusts Mike at all, right now, on any level?The closest thing is the fact that he actually prevented her from getting raped. The issue is, everything else Lucy did with/to Mike indicated she didnt trust him, and I'm talking before December or him getting too pissed.I actually think this whole conversation has been the most positive that Lucy has talked about Mike in years.
So are we heading towards a lesbian/bisexual Sue arc? Her being THIS jealous of how close Mike is/was to Lucy over her can't be just the ego of wanting to be the mature one.
>>156240328The problem is that Sue is talking about the broader present, not a past instance, so it makes no sense. Yes, obviously Lucy trusted Mike more than anyone BACK THEN. You know who is the blatant trust sink these days? His name starts with an A and ends with an ugustus.
Man, VGcats got fucking weird.
>>156240238>Plus Sandy is barely in the comic, and characters in BCB get less likable the more chapters Taeshi writes them.Fuckin preaching to the choir. And I have to agree with you that I sympathize with Sandy more than Mike at this point. Sandy's in a high stress environment where she was forced to "grow up" and her only emotional support pillar is Mike, who she's now on the cusp of losing.
>>156240427Damn it, I wanted Sue to get hit. fuck you.
>>156240427>Lucy doubles down dips and stomps away leaving Sue to feel regret over hurting the precious kitten's tender feelings
>>156240427leave it to Lucy to turn 360 degrees and walk away whenever anything inconveniences her
>>156240395>Sandy's in a high stress environment where she was forced to "grow up" and her only emotional support pillar is Mike, who she's now on the cusp of losing.On one hand, that is her fault for cheating. On the other hand, Sandy could benefit from a chapter or two about her daily life as a model, but Taeshi seems dead set on not having sandy be anything more than a plot device voice.
>>156239739NTA, but I agree that Mike isn't responsible for Lucy's suicide attempt. I don't necessarily agree that there's NO responsibility, because I do think "bullying someone into suicide" is a thing, but IMO Mike tearing into Lucy doesn't reach that threshold. Outside of December he "just" gave her the cold shoulder and told her to fuck off when she tried to force the issue, and December only happened because they were on a school assignment together. He didn't really "bully" her, seek her out, enlist others to gang up on her, or go out of his way to mess with her. And he certainly never told Lucy to kill herself.My issue with certain strains of Mikefaggery is when this line of logic breaks down in order to blame Mike's friends for not continuing to proactively reach out to him after he waves them off (or, during the sperg era, screams at them). Sometimes anons will even outright say that characters "owe" Mike more, that they're "failing to meet a basic standard" by not noticing and helping. If Lucy's depression and suicide attempt is her problem (it is), even her fault for not being able to take the consequences of her actions (if the shoe fits...), then the same logic must apply to Mike's depression and eating disorder which has emerged from his guilt and self isolation.All that said, Mike and Lucy's respective depressions would still be pitiable; they did receive abuse, and while their reactions are their own, it's still sad to see them self-destruct. The point where that pity breaks down is when they abuse others, only to have it framed as "oh they didn't mean it, they're just poor little trauma victims, have a heart". This is much less a Mike problem then it is a Lucy one, but it applies to them both, and to other characters too: someone being a victim of abuse does not mean that they deserve forgiveness and understanding if they abuse others. The buck stops on everyone.
>>156240290>What about Lucy's statements thus far indicate she trusts Mike at all, right now, on any level?Pic related, where her deranged rant about how she "can't rely on anyone" and how it's "all their fault" explicitly excluded Mike, who she refers to as doing a "miracle". It's flimsy, but Sue's reaction to that being "what the fuck, Mike was half the reason we were in that situation in the first place, and he's ratfucked you like 3 times over since" COULD make sense if Taeshi deserved any benefit of the doubt. Which she doesn't, but y'know.
>>156239620>m-maybe if I just keep telling myself Sue hasn't been dominating Lucy for ten pages no one will call me out on itooo getting desperate I see
>>156240715If Sue somehow translated a misallocated effort-to-blame ratio for a past event as current trust in the boy Lucy has shown negative trust in since returning, then Sue would be canonically retarded.
>>156238360>>156237488>put you in the hospital>sent you awayHahahaha oh WOWNext week, tune in for the reveal that Mike killed Abbey's mom too.
>>156241040He poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague onto our houses!
>>156240885Are you stupid? Lucy's deranged rant isn't taking place back then, it's happening NOW. The insane shit she's saying is clearly relevant to how she feels at the moment, because it's her explanation for why she's being such an asshole to Sue and the others. Lucy going "except for Mike" in the middle of that is clearly meant to point out how she's STILL obsessed and hung up on Mike as "the only one she can trust", like her beelining for him in Victim Complex, and Sue picked up on that.The real problem is that Taeshi sucks at setup, so Sue is picking up on that based on a single line in the middle of Lucy's rambling. But at least it's not pure psychic premonition, so it does seem that Taeshi is getting better. Maybe in another 20 years she'll actually show a character learning something before writing them as knowing it.
>>156241040At this point Mike should just distort. It's the only logical path. It's the only way.
>>156241090No, the correct path is to punch the sun
>>156241063Shut up and actually think. There would be a reason for Sue to believe that if Lucy had been openly, visibly leaning on Mike all this time instead of her friends. But guess what? She hasn't. Whatever Mike did or did not do back then has made zero visible difference in her CURRENT behavior toward him, so far as Sue has been shown to see. All Sue SHOULD know is that Lucy's humoring the group and being an asshole. She also now understands that Lucy's distrust toward her friends is based on nonsense. Because Mike fulfilling Lucy's insane criteria has yeilded no apparent improvement in her attitude him, it is fucking insane for Sur to conclude "wow Lucy must really trust Mike!" You are confusing OOC truth from what Sue could reasonably extract from the context. This is the same kind of shit as Augustus noticing Mike likes hanging out with James and concluding that scarf cat is projecting Lucy onto worst gay. Both he and Sue are supposed to be right, but reasoning process is a because-Taeshi-said-so contrivance.
>>156237882This response must go hard if you're fucking retarded.>>156240427Ah yes, Lucy wins the high ground by being the more "mature" individual. Wonderful. Now Sue will sulk because her girlcrush hates her or something.
>>156241361>Now Sue will sulk because her girlcrush hates her or something.And then blame Mike for why Lucy is like this.
>>156241211
>>156240639>My issue with certain strains of Mikefaggery is when this line of logic breaks down in order to blame Mike's friends for not continuing to proactively reach out to him after he waves them off (or, during the sperg era, screams at them). Sometimes anons will even outright say that characters "owe" Mike more, that they're "failing to meet a basic standard" by not noticing and helping. If Lucy's depression and suicide attempt is her problem (it is), even her fault for not being able to take the consequences of her actions (if the shoe fits...), then the same logic must apply to Mike's depression and eating disorder which has emerged from his guilt and self isolation.I believe that the main core of the situation is that people really want for SOMEONE to show they actually give a damn about Mike because Taeshi keeps heaping shit upon shit on him with no actual wins. Either someone that likes him gives up quickly for some reason or another, or one of the characters hates him for something he is or isnt aware of. This chapter gave us -Haley hating her brother's guts and refusing to take him food over golden child jealousy and bullshit about their parents divorcing that could be solved just by talking to him.-Abbey and Jasmine going to check on him but Abbey giving up oddly quick when they see something wrong with him. If there was this part of his character that decided "You cant help everyone", then it happened so far back that most anons don't remember.-Sue revealing she's always blamed him for Lucy's suicide attempt and basically hated his guts the whole time.and that's just this chapter. Combined with Taeshi making up reasons to make him look like the bad guy and it gets very very old and Mikefags jump at the bit over this kind of stuff because of that.
>>156241361>It's over, Lucy! I have the high ground.>>You underestimate my power, Sue!>Don't try it!
>>156239469>first questionWatsonian answer: Lucy is insane, incredibly spiteful, selfish, lacks a "theory of mind" that would allow her to understand and predict other people's reactions, and doesn't know what she wants.Doylist answer: Taeshi has certain "dramatic events" she wants to hit, many of which she came up with when she was like 12, and the fact that those events don't fit with the existing context of the story or characters doesn't matter to her.>second questionWatsonian answer: Sue can hold a grudge, but isn't so spiteful that she's willing to completely burn a friendship or throw someone under the bus over one. During Rachel's party Mike was clearly upset both from guilt and a sense of loneliness, and Sue seemed sympathetic to both those things. So he was on somewhat thin ice, but Sue was still his friend, and cared about how he was doing even after the sperg era. Sue also wants to avoid pouring gas on fires (though she often clumsily does), so when Mike was at the table and Lucy was going outside to avoid everyone, Sue tried to keep Paulo from poking at things, and same deal now that it's the other way around.Doylist answer: The question of "who knows about Lucy's suicide" is a time paradox. Both in the comic itself and Taeshi's commentary, there is explicit confirmation that Mike was the only one outside of Lucy's family and Augustus who knew about it after Lucy came back. But then Paulo no-sold Lucy trying to use it as a gotcha, and Madison said everyone found out the very next day. Taeshi has waffled when questioned on this and said that Sue "figured it out", but it's clear that she just didn't think about it and is now trying to patch together an explanation retroactively. So of course the actions and reactions of characters toward Mike don't make sense; at the time of writing, they didn't know something that they now retroactively do.
>>156239469>Mike chewed Lucy out and went harder than he should have in the bubble of that moment. But then here's the thing, even if it wasn't a great one, Mike apologized. He wanted to start over with Lucy and she, as far as he knew, accepted it right there. If Lucy holds Mike in such a high regard, then why did she still take a leap? If anything, with how she is, that should have either evened her out and made her happy or had her snap at him for those harsh words, but not jump.. It would be different if he didn't even try to say sorry, but him doing that and this pedistal Lucy has for him throws a wrench into the reasoning.Taeshi has made clear (and I can't recall if she outright stated this, but I think so) that mike screaming at her had no bearing on her suicide attempt. She was already going to leave because her mom was moving her away, and mike hating her was a GOOD thing at the time because it helped her accept that fact.The REASON she tried to die was that mike apologized. Yes, you read that right. Lucy is obsessed with mike, mike is her toy, and hearing that she still stood a chance to get that trophy IF SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO LEAVE was too much to bear. She tried to kill herself specifically because she couldn't live knowing she lost her chance.Yes, it's psychotic. But that's the reason. NOT that mike was mean. Lucy doesn't actually like mike at all as a person and even if mike hated her I dont think she would actually care if he still stood around her and did what she told him to do.
>>156241509Oh yeah, the degree to which Taeshi has her thumb on the scale is SUPER blatant. It's not in character for Sue, or Abbey, or even Paulo to give up on Mike that quickly; these are characters who have been WELL established to be incredibly stubborn when they're concerned for a friend. Those three have pretty consistently been shown to respond to "don't worry about it" by continuing to push, even to the point of dragging things into an argument. And the "Mike is to blame for Lucy's suicide attempt" thing is a nonsense retcon on multiple levels.My issue is the anons who spot, call out, and reject Taeshi's OOC bullshit whenever it reflects badly on Mike, but then turn around and declare that he has no real friends and everyone has betrayed him. Like, pick a lane: either Mike's friends are all backstabbing traitors and Mike himself is a spergy asshole who randomly screeches at them, or Mike and most of the cast are decent and deserve better than the misfortune of being in the same social circle as some complete assholes who are favored by fate to never experience consequences.
>>156237882they are really mad lol
>>156242166
>>156238542Taeshi couldn't handle writing a scene where Lucy gets called out on her bullshit without doing a bit of deflection onto Mike. If you look at her commentary (don't), Taeshi is PISSED that people are rightfully cheering on Sue for finally telling Lucy what's what, and calling Sue "cruel" for doing so.
>>156242166>I dunno what I should start doing, deleting the particular hateful comments I guess?
Mike truly is a martyr. His suffering results in a moral victory over its own creator
>>156242110I get dismissing what's been happening as the table's equivalent of a sperg arc and am sympathetic toward the idea. But this is just whining about other peoples' opinions instead of just trying to push the idea itself.
>>156242166Not really significant, but I'm always flabbergasted whenever someone treats characters as if they're real. What do you mean "demonize the children"? They're fucking cartoon cats.
>>156242166>"I purposely created a difficult narrative test"Oh my fucking god, it's Line in the Sand all over again. The narrative test she made isn't diffcult. It's just not being answered the way she wanted. You're supposed to understand where sue might be coming from but ultimately sympathize with Lucy because of her mental hang ups. But that's not happening they're more on Sue's side because Lucy is a nut case and not in a sympathetic way.
This reminds me of when Suitcase tried taking the moral high ground when DMCAing the subreddit, then kept moving the goalpost and making it really clear it was about spiting an online space he couldn't control. Presumably due to a total lack of self-awareness and propriety.
>>156242198It was either her comment on the last page or the page before that made me think Sue's only talking about Mike like this in the argument because people thought she was on his side. Less of a twist and more "I'll show them!"
>>156242412It must really gall her how these are the paypigs who near always buy the party line and so their apparent rebellion carries more weight. Though frankly it's all Taeshi's fault for turning said line into a squiggly mess hiding the TRUE line beneath, written in invisible ink.
>>156242428Honestly, I think this whole scene was meant to happen with Augustus and Taeshi thoughtlessly copy/pasted it onto Sue some time ago.
>>156242191Isn't Kiall (allegedly) a young girl?Isn't it kinda weird to be singling out a child because they insulted a fictional character?
>>156240386It did and I still miss it>>156242191>Both are violent>Aggressively possessive>Belligerent when jealous>Took in Augustus for their own gain>Hold grudges for years>Attempted rapist>Have dedicated lackeys>Swing at their partners>Petty as hell>Enjoy watching others sufferStarted with 3 as a joke but Lucy has way more in common with Roseville's worst thug than Scarfcat
She avoided my real question ("Why is Sue still hanging out with a bunch of people if she doesn't like most of them?") with a question she'd rather I had asked ("Why didn't Sue confront Mike?")Also I really can't stand "It's almost as if" as the start to any argument. I asked an honest question politely, don't act like I pissed in your corn flakes.
>>156237435[days since Mike was tossed under bus: 0]
>>156242640I'm guessing the sentiment overall is that people don't like to change the status quo
>>156242283That's fair. It just bothers me when Taeshi blatantly throws characters under the bus to prop up her "favorites", and further bothers me when readers go along with it, whether that's here or on tumblr or whatever. Like, I'm still pissy about Taeshi trying to deflect the sexism accusations from Lucy onto Daisy.
>>156242412Taeshi refuses to understand that she has written Lucy as an abuser. She thinks Lucy is a victim, and everyone should be patient and understanding with her. The fact that almost everyone goes "yeah, but Lucy is also an abuser, and the people SHE victimizes deserve to tell her to fuck off and stop bullying them" pisses Taeshi off.
>>156242578>>Attempted rapistwait you're right lmaoooactually technically only lucy is the attempted rapist since alejandro didn't even try for that until lucy started flirting with him
>>156242166>>156242191To take a screenshot that's taller than what fits in a single window in Firefox, right click, "Take screenshot", hover over the paragraph/page element, drag the resulting box down or up until it encompasses everything you want. It's real easy, I don't get why this isn't a feature in every browser.
>>156242770Oh for sure. This whole "noooo my precious little self-insert snowflake can't be flawed, bring out the actual Biblical scapegoat!" routine got old and disgusting real quick. Heaven forbid Lucy ever be interesting. And if another character is meant to mirror some trait of Lucy's, then fucking use it! BCB is nothing but squandered potential and WTF writing fumbles, I swear.
>>156242578>Dysfunctional without said lackeys>Intensely paranoid>See themselves as the victim when others fight back>Violently sexist>Highly competitive>Disdain weakness due to "might makes right" sense of moralityAnd of course:>Hispanic-coded>Blue eyes>Hair forms weird cheek tendrils>Red bandana/Pink bow tied in back as primary accessory
>>156242984I'm rangebanned again so I'm using my phone
>>156243203>phoneposting
Hahaha, Taeshi moderating the Patreon comments would be hilarious.
>>156242884>PicWhy are Taeshi's hands so consistently creepy.
>>156243228>>156242984sorry phoneposting again
>>156243320see this is why I continue to separate the asks, they look so shitty on mobile
>>156238318i dont understand why you post this in these threads. cant you start your own? piggybacking is gross
>>156243245Taeshi didn't entirely degrade as an artist over the years, its just that she finds ways to put less effort in to get the message across the same Steven Universe artist coped. Key difference is she never bothered to ever adjust her hands to any new medium so they always come out as meaty and overdesigned on these chibis. Its always been a problem but it fit in during the watercolor era. Made even worse by the fact that Tae insist on being a 5 finger cartoonist instead of 4 and keeping things even slightly more lighthearted. Actually jarring how the hands avoided the art downgrades for the worse, always draws knuckles and joints.
>>156243547I think it's also that the hands are one of the most obvious signs of Taeshi's problem with inconsistent scaling. Obviously characters are inconsistently scaled to each other, but character's own proportions are also inconsistent, and it looks super weird and creepy.
>>156243318Would this work or would Lucyspace force Sue to shoot herself in the foot? Either way she'd be based for trying.
I forgot to post this one page edit
>>156238318This cunt acts so much like my mom it's unreal.>>156239458Creatures like Faith can't love anything but themselves. They can pretend to really well, but it's not real.
>>156240114Iirc she went back on the cheating thing after people pointed out how this was a grooming situation, especially with Sandy’s age+being a child star vs a hairdresser who’s definitely not a teen. She was originally going to have Sandy be a complete bitch or something
>>156243754I love these.
>>156241211This shit never gets old, I love 'em
>>156243754Fucking great stuff.
>>156243318>Retcon This.
>>156244262It'd almost be funny if Taeshi could meme it herself but she'd just fuck it up.
>>156242058That would be based and entirely justified on Sue's part.Kill them all, Sue. Free them, and us, from this hell.
>>156244429Amaya :D would be more appropriate, I think
>>156243754Mike, no! Don't let the crazy girl in, did you learn nothing from your friendship with Lucy?!
>>156242058>Hates David>Wants Sue to kill everyone elseFlak0ps is getting more based.
>>156244493Sorry Anon, but white cats with a screw loose mess with Mike's brain chemistry; he can't resist.
>>156244596Ye olde Taeshi humor. was nice sometimes
>>156244596What the fuck needs to happen to you to only be interested in crazy white cats?
GOOOO SUE!!! GOOOOO!!!! YESSSS
>>156237435HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
>>156240715>her deranged rant about how she "can't rely on anyone" and how it's "all their fault" explicitly excluded Mike, who she refers to as doing a "miracle". Lucy is not entirely incorrect, the problem is that she established her baseline for reliability around full-power Mike, who does miracles on the regular. Let us not forget how he was able to launch himself off a cliff, catch Lucy, launch her back up onto the cliff despite having nothing to push himself off, plummet like eight hundred feet into a river in the middle of bear-filled wilderness, and then be found several hours later calmly fishing for dinner with nothing more than minor scratches. Some complain that he does nothing but be a sad sack failing to recognize that is because without the bulk of Lucyspace bearing down upon him like the sky upon Atlas, he would have 95% of this comic wrapped up within two months.
>>156245291>the bulk of Lucyspace bearing down upon him like the sky upon Atlas, he would have 95% of this comic wrapped up within two months.Did committing December trigger Lucy space to nerf him or something?
>>156245313Probably. Manifested via depression
>>156241943> Lucy is obsessed with mike, mike is her toy, and hearing that she still stood a chance to get that trophy IF SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO LEAVE was too much to bear. She tried to kill herself specifically because she couldn't live knowing she lost her chance.If Lucy could figure out how to take a few breaths and play the fucking long game, she would have Mike in the bag. He no longer hates her and wants to restart their friendship, but you're moving away? Not ideal, but he's already proven that he's good at long distance communications and you can always work your parents into letting you come back and start to win his heart over. He took back his girlfriend who cheated on him after an emotionally heated afternoon with you? Well fuck, but at least what seemed to be a relationship that he was rock solid committed to is now instead a wounded animal that is bleeding out more and more as time goes on, all you have to do is just be a positive presence in his life to catch him, something that fucking Daisy did by accident and nearly managed to secure a complete Mikebowl victory.
>>156245313>Did committing December trigger Lucy space to nerf him or something?Yes, Lucyspace has to sacrifice some of its power to keep Mike down, because otherwise he'll awaken as an imbued hunter, and Mike, having full access to true vision, will start to perceive the demiurge's distortions throughout the city of Roseville, and he'll begin to derail the plot.
>>156245408>all you have to do is just be a positive presence in his life to catch himAnon, if Lucy could be a positive influence on Mike's life & open up, we literally wouldn't have a comic.
>>156243245In fairness, hands are notoriously tricky fuckers to draw. Incidentally, that's why Horikoshi of My Hero Academia fame loves making characters with lots of hands, because he's quite good at drawing hands and he wants to flex.
>>156243320Jesus Christ Taeshi, you know full well that Mike didn't believe a word of that shit he was saying, he was just projecting his own fears of "they'll abandon me at a moment's notice" onto Lucy. I know that she knows this, because she is the one who fucking wrote it.
>>156244686What's amazing is she's still fucking got it; she just refuses to use it.
>>156245090Mike met Lucy in like, preschool, and Sandy in 3rd grade. A few formative experiences can do a lot to establish someone's type. Had things turned out differently Mike'd be into grey girls with a bob cut in business casual.
>>156245440Fair point, but she didn't even need to be a positive presence, just a presence. Hit em with "It's fucked up for you to go back to her after what we shared that night, but whatever" and just wait.
I won't lie, anons; seeing Sue tear into Lucy like this is immensely satisfying and enjoyable. But all the joy is like ash in my mouth after these threads baited me into looking at Taeshi's blog. I do not blame the anons who piqued my morbid curiosity, for it was my choice to drink knowing full well it was hemlock in the cup. But if any anons here do not seek suffering, smile at misfortune, and revel in misery, then avert your eyes and do not read further as I make my report upon the dread discovery I made. There is nothing to be gained from knowing.You see, Taeshi has described Sue's actions in this conversation as being "cruel" to Lucy, of "not giving Lucy a chance to respond" and "not being fair". She has also spake of Sue needing to put her ego aside for Lucy's sake since "Lucy is the one hurting right now", prompted by a few anonymous askers who I'm pretty sure are trolling. Taeshi insinuates (though stops short of saying, perhaps due to not wanting to be a liar) that Lucy would of course care about Sue's feelings, if only Sue had given her a chance to answer. Taeshi of course says it's not a contest of who's "more" traumatized and thus "more" deserving of sympathy, but she makes it clear that Lucy is the one who is.To know that the author does not see Sue as justified, fills my heart with sorrow. To know that Taeshi legitimately thinks Lucy deserves sympathy and grace, not only at the expense of the characters she bullies and browbeats and abuses, but from them... it is despicable.
>>156245515>>156244686disagree, throughout the comic I have mumbled a 'heh' a maximum of 3 times and chuckled just once, her forte is clearly cheap drama
>>156245291How damaging to the cast would Mike be if his old anime protag powers reawakened in tandem with him "evolving" into a Suitcase-esque asshole?
>>156245705And she'll just turn around and have a more or less opposite view the next day before reverting again at random. I have never seen an author so thoroughly devalue their own word of god like this. The only reason anyone still bothers to ask her anything, I'd wager, is because the official BCB community does not select for bright readers.
>>156245705>"not giving Lucy a chance to respond" She did. Lucy tried to play the blame game. >She has also spake of Sue needing to put her ego aside for Lucy's sake since "Lucy is the one hurting right now"She tried to reach out to Lucy and all she got was her being a bitch.>that Lucy would of course care about Sue's feelings, if only Sue had given her a chance to answer.Lucy tried to blame due for her nearly getting raped and insinuated she did Jack shit despite her getting beaten up.I don't like Sue blaming Mike for Lucy's bullshit but Sue has tried to reach out & understand Lucy and all she has gotten us Lucy being a mean bitch who can dish it out but can't take it.The reason Lucy can't respond back is cause she ain't got shit she can use to harm/blame Sue. Sue ain't Mike and Paulo.
>>156246004I don't love Sue blaming Mike for Lucy's bullshit either, but I thought it was a minor point, not worth getting worked up over in the broader context of Lucy FINALLY getting called out for being an awful person. It genuinely upsets me to know that Taeshi thinks Lucy, not Sue, is the one who deserves sympathy in this situation.I really wish Taeshi had answered the ask I sent ages ago asking why anyone should have sympathy for Lucy, when she's constantly mean and goes out of her way to create problems for everyone including herself.
>>156246004If the other person neither folds nor shows their neck in a moment of weakness, Lucy has no idea what to do other than get huffy and dip. She is so used to winning arguments and no practice with losing gracefully. That's why she will sink to a new level of cope rather than admit wrong and change her ways. And THAT, ultimately, is why Lucy's impossible to deal with. You either put up with her toxic self-serving delusions or get labeled an enemy... assuming she didn't already see you that way from the get-go. Sue needs to get the fuck away from this girl.
>>156245705I'm sympathetic to Lucy insofar as I think she's literally crazy, needs help, and is being failed by her family because she's not getting that help. I don't think that obligates Sue to be infinitely patient for her, she's not Lucy's keeper.
>>156246534Yeah, your verbal bitch slap can absolutely come from a place of concern if the other person is not responding to less, because you want them to wake up and get better. Coddling Lucy has more than proven to be the wrong approach.
>>156246534I would be sympathetic to Lucy on those grounds if not for the fact that she's an abusive asshole to literally everyone she knows. The fact that she's mentally ill would be sympathetic if she was the main one suffering, but she's not, she's constantly taking it out on others, smiling and having fun while bullying people.
>>156246665This is also true. Lucy has her sympathetic moments, like regretting being a bitch to her mom, but she is way more often a thoughtless or even malicious jerk. On top of that, she's demonstrably too stupid to understand she's hurting people until they make it painfully obvious. Some might say that absolves her a little. I think it just makes Lucy a particularly dumb breed of asshole.
>>156239620I've been seeing one guy spoamming this cope in every thread and I know I shouldn't respond to the bait but I think it needs to be addressed because lolIn this one conversation Sue has>Told Lucy if she doesn't want to talk about stuff she needs to stop being passive aggressive>Completely defused Lucy's "No one did anything during confrontation" schtick by pointing out her and Paulo stood up and got beat down first>Exposed Lucy for hiding at the start and only stepping in after Mike started getting beat up>Made it very clear that she isn't as special as she thinks she is because everyone got hurt that night>Pointed out how she's a fake friend, who acts like a bitch and a nasty person for no reason and then demonstrated it was without reason>finally brings up how Lucy gets pissed at people for not reading her mind and not knowing exactly why she's madEvery single point is something Lucy detractors have brought up for years and up until now it stayed taboo and niche, and Sue single handedly made it palatable and dispensed it out to the mainstream readers, who have nearly unanimously taken her side.It doesn't matter what you cope, it doesn't matter if Sue gets hit by a truck or truly cucks out next chapter, she's already won by merely inserting these ideas into the consciousness of the proles, which is more than (You) or any other character has done.
>>156246588>Coddling Lucy has more than proven to be the wrong approach.she's a BPDemon, there basically is no way to fix them so you may as well coddle them if it means placating them
>>156246982Calm down, man. It's just a retarded cartoon cat.
>>156247010And just like that, you are stuck with her poisoning your life forever. Great choice.
>>156242640Nah that's bullshit. They would have kicked Mike out of the group and kept it moving. That's what any friend group would have done dealing with this kind of situation.A bunch of teenagers that already argue with each other daily are not gonna continue to allow the guy that they claim caused their friend's suicide attempt to hang around them.
>>156243754Mike X Augustine would be a case of her thinking she'll use and corrupt him for shits and giggles only to find out that he's a positive influence in her life and it's starting to "Fix" her.Would she end up living with Mike's family like actual gus and lucy's?
>>156245481He believes it now because of guilt from Lucy's suicide attempt, the aftermath of EF, and LitS, especially james leaving him after hyping him up since they met.
>>156245705>You see, Taeshi has described Sue's actions in this conversation as being "cruel" to Lucy, of "not giving Lucy a chance to respond" and "not being fair". She has also spake of Sue needing to put her ego aside for Lucy's sake since "Lucy is the one hurting right now", prompted by a few anonymous askers who I'm pretty sure are trolling. Taeshi insinuates (though stops short of saying, perhaps due to not wanting to be a liar) that Lucy would of course care about Sue's feelings, if only Sue had given her a chance to answer. Taeshi of course says it's not a contest of who's "more" traumatized and thus "more" deserving of sympathy, but she makes it clear that Lucy is the one who is.>To know that the author does not see Sue as justified, fills my heart with sorrow. To know that Taeshi legitimately thinks Lucy deserves sympathy and grace, not only at the expense of the characters she bullies and browbeats and abuses, but from them... it is despicable.I remember someone mentioning last thread that Taeshi tried to use suicide and/or her mental issues as an excuse in a real life argument and got slapped for it. If that's true, then it really explains at least part of her mindset when it comes to lucy
>>156243142There's a tumblr ask where Taeshi describes Alej doing the same tsundere abuse thing to Augustus as Lucy does to MikeGod Lucy and Alejandro are so cute together
>>156238269>taeshi thinks heterosexuality means not valuing your female friendships because you can't fuck themExplains a lot
>>156243320>meant to beSure. You only had to force the shit out of them till everything else was destroyed, but you made them fit.
>>156247568Lucy and Alejandro both getting sent to a support group for their weird anger issues, only to find forbidden love instead of healing
>>156246529>She is so used to winning arguments and no practice with losing gracefully. Winning the argument is a stretch. Taeshi usually just has Lucy:>Shoutover the other person>Hit them and stamp off>Hit them and gaslight/bullshit.It's less she makes good points and more so author forces the other person not to say shit or she uses violence, manipulation and or screaming.
>>156246780Especially when it comes time they make it obvious she usually writes it off as them now having deserved it, dismisses them, or mental gymnastics her way into avoiding the issue
>>156245705Taeshi's head lives in a fucking parallel universe
>>156247394Maybe take up babysitter role so the sister stops bitching
>>156245705>>156245958I used to wonder if Taeshi herself wasn't just trolling with those answers sometimes, that it was all a strategy to bait people and keep the engagement going or something, but I'm well-experienced in her ways. She really does mean what she says, as delusional as it seems.>>156247010You crazy? This fixes nothing. Life itself, and even this story, written by a BPD woman, proves that. Coddling them might make it look like things have been fixed for a while, but it always comes back, sometimes even worse.No, BPD people need professional help in order to mitigate their shit, otherwise they'll always use others as a beating bag, and learn nothing.
>>156247394She moves in probably when Mike accidentally knocks her up
>>156249186After she gets him drunk/drugged, right? I doubt Mike would be so careless as to knock someone up in normal circumstances.
>>156249364How does a girl get Mike to even have sex in the first place? Sandy pinned him that one time and he got aroused, so I assume Mike is a sub.
>>156249515By being himself(Pre-nerf) :)
>>156249543He turned down girls left and right back then. If anything, they would be less successful.
>>156249584Because he had Lucy attached to him and then was going after Sandy. The cheater mob also didn't help. Mike in his prime without the baggage of the White cats has no strings.
I know there's more than one anon suscribed to taeshi but come on now lol
>>156249732Is this the original anti-Mike sperg? There was one, not sure if he's still around, who kept posting bullshit out of context arguments against Mike that hinged on no one checking the old pages they were talking about.I thought he was just trolling but it might've been an actual cult member that wandered in, the obsession did feel like it was beyond mere trolling too.
>>156249732>i bet those wretched Mikefags from 4chan and reddit are paying good money to bash Lucy >like there can't be any other reason for this right?
>>156249732This bitch is implying I would spend any time on reddit is the most insulting part for me.
Sue v Lucy mud fight when
>>156250150THIS SUNDAY NIGHT ON PAY PER VIEW!
>>156243754It feels like right after that last panel, there'd be a jump cut to either them making out or her blowing him under the bleachers
>>156249732So just like "Empathy", "Compassion", and "Misogyny", "Projection" is going to be another thing Taeshi starts milking to claim why people don't agree with her takes.
>>156249732I told you guys last thread or so that Taeshi hates Mike because he's white(coded).Yes, I know this isn't Taeshi writing, but I'm pretty sure of it. When she created Mike her mind wasn't poisoned yet.
>>156250418>but I'm pretty sure of it. When she created Mike her mind wasn't poisoned yet.Well, that's pretty obvious. Mike was created when she was six years old... (Along with Sue, before she lost the female lead role to the white cat)
>>156250655>Then I made Lucy a magical girlLucyspace confirmed.
>>156239378This is why Bleating Hearts is the better anthro webcomic about awful people. A lot of the characters are kind of shitty but still sympathetic in one way or another, but the comic feels a lot more honest about it the way the narrative does explain but not excuse why they behave the way they do. With BCB it feels like Taeshi just changes whatever the fuck on a complete whim, with zero thought going into how it reads as a whole story. I swear to God this fucking comic changes art styles, tones and themes multiple goddamn times throughout its lifetime, it's like a schizophrenic wrote it. The most consistent aspect is, since Lucy returned, the narrative will bend over backwards to make her justified no matter how awful she acts.
>>156250747
>>156250747>>156250801Reminder that Paulo was the original Alejandro
>>156250853>Paulo was the original AlejandroThat explains way too much.
>>156250776Bleating Hearts reminds me a lot of the Volumes 2, 3, and 4 era of BCB, back when the narrative got fairly serious and consistent compared to Volume 1 and, frankly, most everything that happened once Lucy came back.
>>156250418>>156250655And adding to the issue of when Taeshi started disliking Mike, well, when she was a child, Mike was just the comedic duo with Sue and later Lucy. Then, during her early teens, Mike became the protagonist-kun mixed with edgy that she loves, only to have the traits she loves in male characters removed when she started BCB. So, we can assume that her decline with Mike started when she began BCB and has worsened over time.>>156250747>Then I made Lucy a magical girl>Lucyspace confirmed.Worse than that. Taeshi didn't like Lucy the Magical Girl because she was too sensitive and emotional. Lucyspace was introduced to remove Lucy's humanity when Demiurge reset the Lucy the Magical Girl universe to create the BCB universe.
>>156250935I didn't like what was happening with the art around that time, but Lucy coming back and the whole narrative trying to excuse her treating her old friends like fucking garbage was not a fun read. I know some people complained about the comic turning into the Paulo Show right before that, but at least Paulo can be an engaging character and the narrative was capable of showing his good and bad sides. I say he can be, because this was still before all that "at least your mother fucking loved you" nonsense.
>>156250985>Lucy was her ventsona>past tenseOkay buddy, sure. >hated sweet emotional crybaby Lucy Well now she's a nasty emotional crybaby instead and it sure ain't an improvement. I think the only remote positive is the vague implication she *might* turn Mike into an edgelord. Because Taeshi's take on the concept will prove incredibly stupid and thus entertaining.
>>156243942>huh what do you mean that's grooming>oh shit right uhtaeshi's inability to predict how people will react to her work is genuinely impressive
>>156251078Personally, I think the Paulo Show sucked because it went on for way too long thanks to hitting the reset button over and over again. How many times does Paulo have to relearn the same lesson or fail to change, and why am I meant to find this interesting? How many bisexual panics can one cat have?
>>156251149A woman with truly zero emotional intelligence.
>>156251149>doesnt think people would assume Sandy got groomed due to how the fashion world is.>Couldn't forsee people hating James for his actions in LitS.>Doesn't understand why more people are rooting for Sue over Lucy currently when Lucy has been nothing but mean to her.This can't only be the result of making her fandom an echo chamber, can it? This is basic stuff the average person can see coming.
>>156243942>>156251149this could be the most clear example of taeshi's unresolved misogyny, sandy not being allowed to be a complicated victim just like her self insert
>>156240238I usually hate cheaters, but Mike is literally a toddler and wasn't acting as Sandy's boyfriend in any capacity so I really don't blame her for cheating on his asexual ass.
>>156252143Then she should have broken up with him normally instead of trying to have her cake and eat it
>>156252143She was a cunt by stringing him along and lying while cheating on him in addition to being a screaming bitch last time she visited.But also Taeshi has to bullshit excuses as to why she is even with Mike. LDRs suck, by all rights they should've broken up long ago but she won't leave him because... idk her mother demands it or something. It's almost a mirror of "why does anyone tolerate Lucy?", but Mike is just a lame boyfriend instead of being actively malicious.
>>156250853>Paulo, who Taeshi explicitly finds attractive and constantly glazes, was originally a rapistWhat is it with Taeshi and writing rapists as being cool and sexy? Paulo, Alejandro himself, Augustus, Jess, Lucy. It's fucking creepy.
>>156252143Agreed on the basis that Sandy was too much of a stupid whore to understand the concept of breaking up until Francis told her. BCB is all about making allowances for the mentally defective.
>>156252143Absolutely no excuse. Break things off first. She was wrong 100% and just wanted to string him along as the last vestige of her old life while fucking around.
>>156252143If you ask me, Mike being asexual isn't the core problem that made him a bad boyfriend (probably doesn't help tho). IMO, the issue is that Sandy took Mike on dates, gave him gifts, asked about him and how he was feeling, and so on, while Mike gave Sandy NOTHING to work with in return.I can understand not knowing what to do in one's first relationship, and having it fall apart as a result. I just wish Taeshi had the guts to make that what happened, rather than trying to force the audience to sympathize the way she wants them to by having Sandy cheat offscreen. Only to fuck it up because Taeshi doesn't understand how normal people think and accidentally made Sandy even more tragic by implying she got groomed.
>>156252736Missed opportunity to joke about her aura.
>>156252816Well, a date, singular. And all of two gifts. It kind of doesn't sound like they do much for each other than hear out each other's days.
>>156251750Personally I see it as the premiere example of Taeshi's emotional immaturity and lack of empathy. Sandy's de-evolution from her Pre-Lucy Jump iteration to her current one just follows the trend of simplifying every female she doesn't like to the same breed of vapid attention seeking bitch. Instead of exploring the strain of a long distance relationship would have on two affectionate teens Probably because Suitcase was a long distance fling she went the simple route of making Mike and Sandy fundamentally incompatible. Ironically mirroring many of the same traits Lucy had and (as always) not on purpose.>Only thinks of herself>Only cares about her interest>Put out for an older guy>Pedestrians in they're own lives>WhiteDifferent trees, same roots. This is also because Tae is a bad writer that grew up on old anime and just didn't take of the lessons from it which just fucking grinds my gears the hardest. Immature, unemphatic and "uncreative". These 3 things are really why her self insert Lucy has so much in common with the antagonist of BCB.>>156250801And then there's the other persistent problem. Always grafting and retrofitting new roles onto characters almost as old as her. Putting aside the horrifyingly early signs of her interest and rapist and, more importantly, men that invade boundaries. Trying to count how many times one of the cast put on a new hat with the word of the day on it to be their central character trait moving forward is an exercise in insanity. There's just a really poignant analogy in not growing up and still playing with toys for a 6 year old while approaching 40 and trying to have a baby. Why any character growing up enough to go college is a far off dream. Mike and Lucy have been 16 for 10 years
>>156252840The ironic thing is that Sandy cheating is pretty clearly Taeshi trying to force the audience to sympathize with Mike, but I think Mike would come across a lot more sympathetic if Sandy broke up with him because the relationship had stalled out. It'd be a lot more relatable than EF actually was. And it'd mean Mike had some agency in the matter (Sandy broke up with him because he wasn't doing anything boyfriend-like), which is kind of a prerequisite for tragedy to "work" narratively. If bad shit just happens to a character out of the blue with nothing they could've done, then that's not really tragic, it's just a thing that happens. By having it happen the way it did, with Sandy revealing she'd cheated offscreen, then breaking up with Mike out of guilt, then changing her mind and calling back terrified he'd done something drastic, the narrative focus is actually put on Sandy. SHE'S the character who's experiencing tragedy in that scenario (especially with the implication that she was groomed), Mike is just along for the ride. The overall effect (for me at least, and I imagine for many other readers) is to make Mike seem kind of immature and pathetic. Here's his girlfriend revealing she had this whole tragic arc offscreen, where she is a victim of larger forces but still had agency in her fate and thus feels guilt and responsibility. Mike's response is to throw a tantrum and run outside into the snow, where the rest of EF will happen thanks to ridiculous contrivance. The contrast there makes Mike seem less interesting, and less sympathetic, than if it was "just" a normal breakup.I dunno. Maybe that's just me.
>>156253163>what if main characters had flaws that caused them to take actions that makes the plot happen, rather than have the plot happen to them by coincidenceCrazy dude.
We also dont even know if Sandy actually stopped cheating. We dont see anything on her side so for all we know she could be seeing francis or someone else still and Mike would have no idea
>>156253350It doesn't really matter, Sandy stopped being a character long ago. She's nothing more than a plot device now.
>>156253163I'm not really bothered by Mike's reaction, which in fact I think fitting for his ageWhat bothers me is he taking her back.On another note, I don't think Sandy is or looks like a victim at all.
>>156253525>On another note, I don't think Sandy is or looks like a victim at all.Cause she doesn't come off like one. She literally wanted Mike to back up that she trustworthy during her venting and during a seperate vent said maybe she should mess about again. Genuinely Mike should break up with her.
>>156250801Relevant info tidbits I gleaned from this:>We were ROBBED of Maisy>Lucy's jealousy and violent tendencies are canonically the result of her being hypno-gassed by evil ghosts>Tiff was always based>Paulo was originally a rapist (which makes Taeshi's infatuation with him so much creepier)>Taeshi has always seen "failing to fight off a rapist" as a moral failing and "being a rapist" as a minor & redeemable edgy character flaw>Lucy's dependence on boys is literal and she'll start seizing and foaming at the mouth if she doesn't have male attention>We were ROBBED of Sike>Taeshi has always written Lucy as the only "good" girl with all others being BITCHES and WHORES>The wild inconsistency in characterization is canonically because of evil clones>Holy shit Taeshi came up with pretty much every dynamic and plot point when she was like 10 and has just been tinkering with them ever since>IT WAS ALL A DREAM
>>156253281It's a radical theory, I know, but I really think I'm onto something. I'm thinking of calling it "writing".
>>156253525>>156253597Did Taeshi ever give a reason for why he took her back in the first place? It cant be because Mike decided to punish himself, at leats nto yet right?
>>156253730Because he got gaslit by Sandy that she really does need him and he fears it's gonna be December all over again if he just drops her
>>156242640And another thing, didn't Tae herself say Sue would be down to date Mike on the blog not too long ago? That's what started the mini-wave of Sikeposting. How does that square with her thinking that Mike ruined Lucy's life? It's one thing not to cut him off, but to actively date him requires a level of actual affection.
>>156253860Maybe Sue thinks Mike ruined Lucy's life but also thinks Lucy deserved it and has been laboring under the delusion that Lucy had learned her lesson.
>>156245459>that's why Horikoshi of My Hero Academia fame loves making characters with lots of hands, because he's quite good at drawing hands and he wants to flexultra based
>>156253984Maybe Sue thinks Mike ruined Lucy's life but she's into that
>>156253860Alternatively, maybe Sue DOESN'T think Mike ruined Lucy's life, and is just being hyperbolic in order to call Lucy out.
>>156253730A couple, yeah. Mike tells Augustus that it's basically sunk cost but the paywalled phone call is all guilt tripping plus some ambiguous Lucy imagery.
>>156252143Completely agree so it's absolutely not just you Taeshi somehow fumbled an infidelity arc
>>156249732I don't disagree with either of these posters, actually. Mike IS originally modeled off anime harem protag-kun, who are designed to be self-insert bait, and he's inherited those features.That said, there is a certain irony in seeing them speculate about how "both 4chan and BCB are products of the early-mid 2000s", knowing that the gossip-posting in these threads would explicitly confirm that speculation. This tumblrite seems unaware that Taeshi was (and largely still is) an edgy shitposter.
>>156249732>Mike fanaticism>During LitSConsidering how that event went, who were we supposed to side with? Fucking Augustus? The dude that started the whole confrontation in the first place?How bad was the patreon reaction for it to bother her even more than reddit?Whaty does she want exactly? She wants you to not have sympathy for Mike but if you hate him too much then she gets mad about that. It was the same with Sue and the ticket stuff and every fight Abbey had with Paulo.
>>156254271>the paywalled phone call is all guilt tripping>PaywalledWhat the fuck? Why would you paywall something so important? How was she expecting people to react without it?
>>156254849>Whaty does she want exactly?Wants you to feel sympathy as long as it doesn't conflict with her favorites?
>>156254863It's not paywalled any more. It very briefly was, but Taeshi put it up as an intermission, presumably because she realized that yeah, that context was pretty fucking critical.I disagree with the assessment that it was all guilt tripping, though. Sandy seemed pretty sincerely worried about Mike and his reaction. She's the one who was afraid HE might do something drastic, not the other way around.
>>156255124>Afraid he'd do something bad>Eternal Flame happensIts almost on the nose
>>156254849For that specifically she wanted people to think "everyone was at fault" (but of course less so Lucy because that's a no no). Didn't work well though since Augustus was the objective shit starter, and everyone agreed James was a fucking snake for what he pulled and should fuck off from the story for good
>>156255342I hate EF and everything about it so fucking much.
>>156252736>Not "have a rotten day"
>>156255342Imagine how much that would suck, being basically an adult woman and being stuck in a sexless romanceless relationship since you were 8 and you know you can't break up because he's cut everyone off but you without even asking and he might kill himself
>>156255855It was a clusterfuck, to be sure.
>>156254863The story is an example of this comic's peak management>Original draft has phonecall but not very advanced >Suit tells Taeshi to leave it out of the comic and leave it "nuanced", her audience should be smart enough to get it (there's nothing to get)>The pages hit, it's a shit storm, the normal readers are upset about the ending, the cult is enraged with Mike more than Taeshi can handle>Taeshi gets upset with the reception, puts an initial version of the phonecall TEXT ONLY after weeks>Solves nothing, decides to actually draw it, but put it behind a paywall >Solved nothing, put it as intermission but it's too late and it's not enough>It's so bad you could feel how much Taeshi resented Suit for his 'input" in the following chapters>Have a chance to solve the pacing on the webtoons release >Decide to leave as is>So bad Eternal Flame kills the webtoons updating
>>156243243Hold on, is Taeshi saying she doesn't have access to the patreon for her own comic? Is it solely in the hands of her shitty unemployed husband?
>>156255959I'm sorry I just cannot feel bad for Sandy on this. She cheated and nothing excuses it. If she cared that little about him then whats the point of even pulling this "Oh I was so worried about you!" crap?If she's that far in then she might as well just go "Oh well."
>>156256185>Suit tells Taeshi to leave it out of the comic and leave it "nuanced", her audience should be smart enough to get it (there's nothing to get)He had to have been fucking with her. Just setting her up for failure by doing that.
Judging by the recent tumblr posts and the reply on patreon, taeshi seems to be finding the fact that all the commenters are ignoring Lucy's PTSD attack in favour of enjoying seeing her finally get called out triggering. But like, obviously no one gives a fuck about this PTSD plotline? It's introduced over a hundred chapters into the comic, over something that she hasn't been shown to have any trauma about in the almost 90 chapters since it happened (this is a character who avoided water for years because she saw someone almost drown). Even if taeshi wishes she'd added that element to the earlier chapters, she didn't, and she has to continue the comic she actually wrote, not a hypothetical ideal one that only exists in her head. It's like, even if she obviously regrets the mike the battered housewife flashback from December, or Augustus threatening to rape daisy, or Paulo being an anime sex pest, those things all happened in the comic and people have every right to form their opinions based on them, instead of only caring about what happened in the last 20-odd chapters.
I know it's preaching to the choir here. But I hate the way Taeshi will throw a character under the bus, call them a bad person, talk about how Lucy (or whichever other "fun asshole" she's trying to glaze by dunking on as a scapegoat) is so kind and gracious for putting up with them, etcetera, then when she starts getting pushback (or people going a little *too* far) she backpedals to "Oh no, everyone here deserves sympathy! There doesn't have to be a bad guy!".
>>156256853I do think taeshi inserting her rape trauma onto Lucy was a mistake, it's obviously causing her to take the criticism of the current chapter way too personally so she's crashing out harder than usual
>>156256852You can tell how she went from highlighting the parts Suit helped with to very passive aggressively talking about him, like saying the Paisy burger chapter was a gift for him, the same chapter that said out loud how stupid their relationship was
>>156256479Yeah, not only that, but in the same post she also says that he doesn't want to manage it, and that's truly incredible. Their main source of income is one of them not having access to, and the one who does have access doesn't manage it.
>>156254016Anon, plus ultra based was right there.
>>156257069i don't read animeslop, I just appreciated his chutzpah
>>156254807>This tumblrite seems unaware that Taeshi was (and largely still is) an edgy shitposter.There was a time when she and Suitcase were a welcome sight among these lands, able to post a comment or participate in a thread without concern for molestation.
>>156257028She says he's got too much on his plate to manage the patreon comments as well, but how could he possibly be busy? He's literally unemployed!
>>156257101that was back before they became huge fucking faggots
>>156257084Well shit, I can't fault you on that.
I'd deadass be surprised if she wasnt crashing out behind the scenes.EF was a flop receptionallyLitS was a flop receptionallyAnd now Sue vs Lucy isn't going the way she intended receptionally. 0 and 3 and they're all pretty close together narratively
>>156257129An unfortunate turn of events, considering I'm pretty sure they despise 98% of their echo chamber for being massive fucking faggots. Had they but faced their own failings and remained here amongst us, they would almost certainly be the happier for it.
>>156257101>>156257129I was in the thread when Suitcase made the mistake of talking down to everyone and burned whatever goodwill he and Taeshi had built up with free doodles and such. When everyone turned against his elitist attitude, guy just dipped.
>>156237435ANGER IS POWER- UNLEASH IT!>>156257204Part of me occasionally wonders how they would feel about my Darkest Dungeon edits. Probably nothing in all honesty.
>>156257220Got any screencaps of it? I'm always eager to see a little bit of /BCB/story.
>>156257220I'm pretty sure I remember him stopping his visits because you faggots kept bringing up his wife's post about her childhood rape.
>>156256853The PTSD thing also fails to land cuz all the shit Lucy's traumatized over is stuff that's also happened to other characters. Mike almost drowned too, and he did it twice. Sue, Daisy, Paulo, & Mike ALL got beat up by Alejandro and threatened with worse to come. Daisy, and ironically also Paulo & Augustus, have all been victims of sexual assault. Practically everyone in the comic has been sexually harassed. Daisy, Mike, Tess, Rachel, Jasmine, Abbey, and Sue have all had people they care about give them the cold shoulder and prioritize other people. And characters like Augustus and Abbey have pretty realistic trauma as a core part of their backstory. But ALL of them are better adjusted and less abusive than Lucy.So if they can all cope with that stuff without being assholes, then what's Lucy's excuse?
The PTSD also falls flat because none of the people she's mad at have triggered it. So she's just shitty out of nowhere to them. Its not like she's shown to try to be better and just failing because of her mental state. She's just constantly in a state of bitch.
>>156257388>>156257220I was told he stopped his visits because people kept posting of golden retrievers and asking, "Is this what you nearly picked over Taeshi?"
>>156257286I did not think to take any at the time, sorry anon. Suffice to say he tried to act the way he does on the discord and forgot the fact he has zero power here. Multiple anons told him to shove it and he stopped showing up to threads after that.
>>156257482>"This hurts Lucy more than it hurts them"I see Taeshi is going for the abuser apologia bingo.
>>156257482>People do not like traumatized teenage girls.No, people just don't like Lucy because even before the trauma bullcrap she was just like this.>First paragraphWe can't imagine what the traumatized person is going through in their head because we never gget a look inside her head. The dreams were the only hint of ANYTHING in Lucy's brain for the longest. Again if the near rape is the reason she hates the others, why have her go through LitS and end up back with them while socially wrecking the one person you claim you could count on during that? Why even let Sue walk home with you? Why come back to the school they all go to?Lucy herself basically said her friends didn't suffer during confrontation. She said they almost let Alejandro rape her which means they basically did nothing when that's very far from the truth. If anything, this whole thing shows that not only iis lucy mixed up in her mind, but she's not used to getting pushback THIS damn hard.>2nd paragraphI have no doubt that she's tried to get away from those same homeless people as soon as possible and not given them a CENT. Okay so if Lucy is still mentally ill, why did they let her go without assumed worry? Why aren't her parents still getting her help? Did they think Augustus was enough of a bandaid? Thats fucking horrible for multiple reasons if they did. Taeshi has failed to show Lucy in an actual sympathetic light. She has the bad dreams but then she takes it out on people that didn't actually wrong her and they have no clue why she's so hostile to them. We don't have a chapter where lucy gets diagnosed and tries to take steps to function and improve in society while dealing with what she has. She's just forever pissed off at all her "Friends". She cant think two steps ahead of herself when she does things which is why she was surprised when she went out to Mike and he basically didn't react to her hug.Lucy is a crappy person with or wtihout the PTSD.
>>156257650I think the problem is that Taeshi wants people to judge Lucy focusing on the issues as an excuse, but to only refer to her as if the issues were never there. She has to be the poor little victim everyone has to touch with kids gloves and also the independent girl boss who has to do all the hard parts, she isn't allowed to be an actual character, just a sign telling the audience how they should react to the comic, as shown by Taeshi asking people to ignore what the characters are actually doing because c'mon! it's Lucy! You're supposed to take her side!
>>156256995I think their be more sympathy if taeshi copy pasted her own rape trauma into the story though it be over sharing. The way she did it in comic just makes Lucy look like a bitch.Issue is, she would really have to rewrite and retcon if she wants to make lucy that autobiography.>>156257648Well yes, didn't taeshi threaten self harm before and the other person smacked her? Actually, that explains alot of why lucy weaponizes the suicide just to hurt mike.
>>156257650I think Lucy would get a lot more sympathy if she regularly took L's for her bad behavior. Then what's happening wouldn't be this satisfying Escape from Bullshit Bay situation. There would be no hype nor satisfaction, or at least less of both.
>>156251529Personally, I think Taeshi has a very might-makes-right sense of morality. She likes characters who are bullies and considers them "cool" and "mature" (Paulo, Lucy, Augustus), disdains characters who get bullied for being "pathetic" or "whiny" (Mike, Daisy), and considers characters who look down on bullying or try to prevent it "judgy" and "no fun" (Sue, Abbey). She's vaguely aware that most people do not share her view on this, but she can't really internalize that and change her own mind. So instead she tries to "compensate" for it in her commentary and writing by:>Preferentially focusing on the characters she likes - as in giving Lucy and Paulo long arcs about their feelings while Daisy or Abbey get nothing>Brushing off the bullying as not being a big deal - as in literally having Mike or Sue say "my feelings/problems really aren't important compared to Lucy/Augustus">Framing the bully characters she likes as right - as in always giving Lucy or Augustus the last word and having them "win" arguments>Framing the bullies as "beloved" in general - as in everyone loving Lucy despite her constant hostility or Paulo getting praised for virtues which we never actually see him demonstrateTaeshi is also clearly pretty sexist, with zero respect for any female character who's not her self-insert, and an idea of what makes male characters "cool" that excludes any intellectual interests or respect for others as being "fruity" and "lame" (but notably doesn't exclude committing sexual assault). So that further distorts her idea of what decent people's reactions will be.
>>156245291How is it Mike pulls off shit like this on a semi regular basis and is still somehow seen as piece of shit by the paypigs
>>156259737I don't think that Taeshi is sexist. I think she is an insecure coward toward any perceived competition.
>>156259815That sort of thing was already pretty rare and he's been nerfed since forever. All that matters to them is scarf cat hurt bow cat and the sperg arc confirmed all of their biases.
Tinfoil that Lucy (and by extension Taeshi) hates Sue because Sue used to have a crush on Mike in middle school. That hasn't been true or relevant in over a decade but that has never mattered in BCB before
>>156259822That is a form of sexism. Just as the insecure male (Paulo, for a BCB relevant example) acts out their anxiety over their masculinity by calling other men "pussies" or "sissy" and considering female attention as a measurement of their "success", insecure females will do the same thing but genderswapped, acting out their anxiety over their femininity by calling other women "bitches" or "whores" and considering male attention the measurement of their success.In the case of BCB and Taeshi, I will point out that it's not JUST a lack of respect for female characters, but the specific ways that manifests. Almost all the insults in BCB against female characters are gendered in some way; they rarely if ever get called "asshole" or "shithead" or whatever, but they OFTEN get called "whore", "bitch", "slut", "ugly", "bimbo", and so on. The female characters who get the LEAST respect aren't the ones who are Lucy's "rivals", they're the ones who aren't "feminine" enough: Daisy and Sue.And you also have to consider Taeshi's sexism toward men. Note how when she's making fun of her male characters, it's almost always on the basis of them not being "manly". For instance, the two male characters she most obviously has it out for are Mike and Abbey. Mike is short, scrawny, and sensitive, and this makes him "pathetic". Abbey is caring, intellectual, and respectful of others, and this makes him "lame". Meanwhile, the male character she most obviously likes is probably Paulo, at least over the whole span of the comic. And the reasons Taeshi likes him are that he's "cool", he has a big dick, he's a bully, he works out, and he gets (harasses) the girls; this was/is her idea of "boyish charm".Finally, I haven't combed the whole comic to check, but I'm pretty sure BCB fails the Bechdel test both ways: no two female characters have ever had a conversation that didn't mention a boy, and no two male characters have ever had a conversation that didn't mention a girl.
>>156259815>Semi regular basis What the fuck are you talking about?It's literally just that one time, unless you want to be really generous and say Mike and Lucy beating Alejandro is some kind of feat.
>>156259815Taeshi has spent more than ten years making Mike look bad. Much longer than the comic leading up to December where he'd actually have good moments
>>156257399I know I'm a notorious Abbeyfag but the double standard with him particularly bugs me. He also has a serious trauma with resulting anger issues just like Lucy, yet somehow other characters tolerated his outbursts way less. He got frequently called out, suffered consequences and it's clearly handled this as a good thing, the "trauma doesn't excuse your shitty actions and biases" as a straightforward lesson he had to learn. Hell, Paulo was nastier with him as Sue is with Lucy right now yet Abbey is still pushed by the narrative to understand his feelings. The reason is most likely what >>156260025 said.
>>156259815>pulls off shit like this on a semi regular basisWhat? In the old days, yeah I guess so, but it's been years now since Mike has been portrayed entirely as a sad, pathetic fuck and hasn't been allowed a single cool moment.
>>156259815Mike stocks started dipping with her fandom during December. He still had some people on his side after until Lucy tried to kill herself, then his rep started dipping hard.Sperg era as a whole lasted about 5 years and Mike hadn't had a single good moment that could switch opnions on him around. Then EF happens and people hate Mike even MORE by the end. From this point on, while he's not constantly blowing up at people, he's just sad and depressed the whole time. It's why when James first showed up glazing Mike, everyone thought it was Taeshi talking directly to her fanbase because they were hating Mike too much for her liking now.
>>156261478Years in real life sure, but realistically it's only been a few years total in the entire series right?
>>156260025Paulo actually has a lot of unrealized potential for the teenage male experience that Taeshi really comes close to scratching but is ultimately hindered by her being uninterested in the male experience outside of different and same sex romance. Paulo doesn't work out, barely studies and doesn't even improve for the sake of himself, but to appease others. He's deeply jealous of his best friend Mike who is both smarter and stronger than him but actively refuses to put in the work that would put him on par with his peer. And anytime Paulo is made to feel lesser you'll see him run to someone that'll nurse his bruised ego with a bottle and reaffirm he's not all that bad actually. And this is a favored character. Someone that tries nothing and gets heated when he doesn't get what he wants. But really I'm just fearful that Confrontation being re-litigated is going to bring up Paulo's experience of being utterly emasculated by two grown men that abused his Achilles Heel, rocked his shit and embarrassed him in front of the girls he likes and the guy he's competed with for maybe 6 years now.>>156261497I think they start as 6th graders and they're currently 2nd semester high school juniors so we're ballparking 6 years. But 70% of BCB is them being juniors. Mike stayed athletic up until LitS where he starts starving himself afterward. Over 1 year for us, but its barely even been a month for them. In the grand scheme, Mike's debuff is only like 3 weeks deep tops.
>>156260916God has it really been that long?
