>>156253671
adam's dainty little hands...

>>156253768
He's a skinny guy who got fat and that's hot.

>>156246086
There are so many CA shippers who actually believe this for some reason. If you push them on their reasoning, I can understand *some* things in S1, but if you ask how exactly they're gonna pull that off in a very gay rep show in 2026 when Charlie clearly loves Vaggie they just block you. I guess they have a theory that Vaggie dies and Charlie will move on after 2 seasons but Viv obviously limits interactions with that ship for a reason, and I don't think that reason is because it's "secretly endgame".

>>156253868
They think the pilot cast will swoop in and save them

>>156253868
They also hate Vaggie and are convinced she was being creepy, malicious, or insensitive toward Charlie's emotional turmoil during the episode where they have sex. They also cling to Viv supposedly saying Charlie doesn't see Alastor as a father figure, as though that somehow validates their ship. Like, okay? That doesn't mean jack shit about whether there's any romantic interest between them. And because Amir and Erika ship them, that's supposed to be another hint. Some genuinely believe Charlastor is endgame, which is certainly... interesting.

They seem perfectly aware Viv doesn't like the ship. Whenever she likes something on Bluesky that's blatantly anti-Charlastor, I've seen people say she's just trying to appease certain parts of the fandom. The mental gymnastics are ridiculous. They're coping HARD.

>>156253978
I guess it's rough being a fan of one of the few ships Viv actually hates. Sucks to suck. Then again you need a special amount of retardation to royalty piss this woman off when it comes to ships.

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>>156253978
Saw that mega cope today. Lucifer's VA referred to Alastor as his son in law on an autograph and this is apparently canon fodder. But the VAs tease ALL ships so doesn't that mean RA, RS, etc are all canon too.
>Viv only likes RA art to throw us off the canon trail!!

>>156254225
>Meanwhile Viv
>"I would like to see Lucifer and Alastor have gay sex"
>"Also Adam should impregnate Lute(Eve) so she can be happy, barefoot and pregnant".

>>156254307
She was genuinely at her happiest when she was barefoot and pregnant.

>>156254225
ngl if i was a VA in this show i'd start teasing the real out there ships. adam/angel. emily/valentino. abel/husk. charlie/lute. just to fuck with people.

In all seriousness, no biases, real talk... Is it possible that Viv doesn't like the charlastor shippers, but is ok with the actual ship? Is it really that crazy to say that it may have a chance? Did she ever actually say she does not like the ship? I just find it weird that there's this huge disconnect between Viv, the creator, and then the voice actora saying that they ship the thing she apparently dislikes....? Isn't that kind of suspect to anyone?

>>156254847
It's not happening
Ever

>>156254225
>"Viv only likes RA to appease RA fans!"
Meanwhile Viv liked RA art in the pilot era when it had 11 fans max. I hate to break it to em but...

>>156254847
I don't think she was ever that interested in CA which is why the fans could so easily ruin it for her. I think she went from meh to hate.

But no, it has no chance at all. Chaggie is not breaking up and if any Alastor ship happens at all, it will be RA.

>>156254939
Ok, thanks. I wasn't really sure if I was crazy or not. I'm not fully invested along any ship involving the morningstars just curious tho

>>156254847
She said to a fan at the recent con that her likes about a "ship she fucking hates" was not about Charlastor and that she does not hate it, but that she does have bad experience with the shippers. I think this is all you need to know and it was obvious from the start. She is neutral on Charlastor but it won't ever be canon, and people who insist it willbe canon piss her off.

>>156254995
I agree, I agree. I wonder what's the shit she hates though!

>>156255006
Could it be Holyblades???

>>156255006
>>156255036
When did she say this? I mean I remember this was a thing but how long ago? During the pilot days or more recently?

Because if it's holyblades, omg that would be awesome. If it's from the pilot era though, I'm lost.

>>156255043
Fuck, I want to say this is a recent thing or at least post season 2.

>>156254995
i would've assumed adamsapple but she's actually liked fanart of it before so who knows.

>>156255114
Carmilla/Zestial?
Though, someone did say here that she's liked a couple of pieces of that ship. If it was recent, then I'm betting it was Abel/Lute. It could also be Angel/Alastor or Vaggie/Alastor

>>156255114
I think she likes it but it's low tier to her.

>>156255122
I really think it was this year. I vaguely remember a minor drama where Charlastor shippers immediately assumed it was about them and pitched a fit.

>>156254995
Could have fooled me, she liked a bunch of Charlastor hate posts like two seconds after making that post about hating a ship. But if this is her way of walking back and making peace, I get it.

>>156255141
>>156255186
This is why

I wish she'd day what ship she hates so the fandom can get a grip already. If it turns out they hate one of their ships, which she obviously does, they can still say fuck it. They'll ship it anyway. Who cares. But not knowing is killing me.

>>156255127
Exactly. I think it's a byproduct of Adam having very low yaoi potential in her books. Lucifer obviously has super high yaoi potential so she wants to pair him with another guy with big potential(Alastor).

>>156255215
She said something about doing that when Hazbin was fully over. Which I believe, she loves to tell all. She'll probably also rant about people not liking or predicting her endgame ships and bad theories/interpretations.

>>156255215
Why so invested in this specifically? A genuine question.

These threads are so gossipy.

>>156255243
Imagine she somehow finds out about our shenanigans and goes "except those weirdos which somehow nailed it".

>>156255279
Don't get too cocky!

>>156255260
Lack of leaks is forcing us to psychoanalyze the creator. Who to be fair is extremely unsubtle so it's semi worth it.

>>156255260
Ok

>>156255287
Why did season 2 which is practically filler and the least revealing and interesting overall have to get the big leaks? It should have been season 3 damn it.

>>156255320
And the best part of Season 2 is the part that leaked so there was barely anything left to enjoy when it came out. For starving Guitarspear fans you can add almost an extra year onto the S3 wait; our hiatus started November 2024.

>>156255245
I'm just genuinely curious

Fuck it's been over 2 years since Gravity

If it makes you guys feel any better, it was confirmed that we are going to get another Lute solo for next season. Don't quote me, I believe either Sam or Jessica said it. I do know Jessica hinted at it. For sure. It's going to be more rock/grunge genre. She apparently had a lot of fun with it.

>>156255474
This one and the one with Abel and Adam will be bangers.

Here's another fun little fact: https://x.com/lutesaurus/status/2104841272469114963?a=oMYya27VSDcpSOfC7FQ&s=20

There is an unreleased portion of Hear My Hope for Lute that was a gravity reprise as a response to what Abel said. It was supposed to establish that her revenge plan was still in motion. And yes Jessica recorded it.

>>156255386
it's kinda fun looking at the subtle differences between the leaked one and the official one - lute makes a quick crazy smile face in the leak version of the 'i'm going to kill every last one of them!' line that is completely gone in the official one, while adam is fully animated singing the first 'hard rain is gonna fall down' part in the leak but in the official one he's making a static :o face for several frames.

>>156255401
Well now we have something of a window for when we can expect new content. We might not get leaks this time around, at least not big ones like last time. But, at least we know for certain Having is going to be released next year and most likely we're going to get news after Helluva Season 3 part 2 releases. It really isn't that far away.

>>156252002
How do people just ignore that multiple crew members said she at least views, assuming he isn't literally Adam as her husband in the S2E2 commentary?

My tism is striking. I'm finally making a Fan Sinner. Someone I can self insert and have a companion for Niffty. But who could best compliment a short Japanese roach woman from the 50s?
Why, a tall East German Spider Man from the 80s!

>>156256424
From what I've noticed, a lot of them seem to be in denial. Whenever canon contradicts their expectations, they'll accuse Viv and the writers of mishandling characters, being inconsistent, or retconning established material, yet continue presenting their own theories as though they're grounded in the writers' intentions. At least some people openly admit they don't care about canon and would rather do their own thing.

I've argued with Stella stans who acknowledge that she's portrayed as physically abusive, but insist she wouldn't behave that way if she'd been treated with kindness and respect, or that she's only written that way to make Stolas look better. Because they believe the writers hate women, they dismiss the characterization we're actually given in favor of their own interpretation. It's this weird, almost.... conspiratorial approach to canon where anything that contradicts their preferred narrative becomes evidence of bad writing or some ulterior agenda.

It's the same reasoning applied to Lute. Because she's a headstrong woman working under a man with a shitty sexist attitude, people insist she shouldn't tolerate his behavior, much less genuinely love him. Therefore, her feelings for Adam are the writers stripping her of her self-respect and reducing her to a prop for a male character. These "fans" conflate their objections to how a woman is written with evidence that her characterization is somehow invalid.

I don't know man, it's really fucking weird.

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>>156256806
Zachariah "Zeke" Felderman.
>Born 1971, Brandenburg. Died 1989, East Berlin.
>Cause of Death: Got into a drunken spat with the off duty border guards who took umbridge with his supposed "Anti-Communist" attitude. Beaten to death and body thrown into a sewer, where hundreds of spiders devoured it up.
>Sin: Lead an Atheistic, Communist life, yet on some level felt a longing for God but never even so much as went to church once to feed what could have spiritually nourished him.
>Purpose: Has come to the Hotel in the hopes that he may come to Heaven and meet his family who he assumes are there and waiting for him.

Thoughts? I'm tired and the picture isn't too great BUT I'll work on more tomorrow.

>>156255122
Abel/Lute for sure if Viv has morals for fiction.

>>156254829
>charlie/lute
That's canon, though

>>156256900
>These "fans" conflate their objections to how a woman is written with evidence that her characterization is somehow invalid.
Any real feminist would respect a woman's ability to make shitty choices via her own agency

Update I posted to /trash/ :

Angel Dust prepares to successfully kill the rapist Valentino off for good, having injected himself with Adam’s transformative essence and become a male Broodmare.

Valentino’s demise will be quite ugly.

>>156253978
lesbian relationships must be exhausting. They either beat the shit out of each other or they think putting your hands on your partner's shoulder is rape

>>156255242
shit, I never thought of it that way. No wonder she killed him off.

He's turbo straight, but they could've done something fun with him having a heterosexuality crisis, especially for how dudebro-y he is. The question is, who??

>>156258568
No one. I'm glad he was spared that fate.

>>156257079
Contrary to what fallen wings morons believe, Lute has it out more for Charlie.

>>156259295
This has been set up since the very first episode

>>156256900
It sounds like they just don't have a lot of faith in the product but find parts to be interesting. It happens all the time when dealing with content built for max appeal, it gets fans who don't care what the author wants it to be.

>>156254829 >>156257079
They literally did give us a Sera/Sir Pentious song in the 2nd most recent ep so I don't see why they couldn't do more crack scenes.

>>156257079
>>156259295
>>156259356
Yes but Lute is a serious woman who doesn't spend her time grooming little girls. Professionals have standards.

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Looty, where did you find this redditor? What's the context here?

>>156260066
Wha?

>>156260066
I was just being cheeky. Currently going down a rabbit hole because someone told me that Viv apparently did confirm that the dragon figure in the pilot IS Adam (I am on the fence about it). Couldn't find anything (yet). I was skimming old reddit posts and this came up: https://www.reddit.com/r/HazbinHotel/comments/zzzs26/comment/j2haqeh/?screen_view_count=5

The commenter was just repeating the Lute/Eve theory/headcanon, they're not an insider or anything. Again, I was just being cheeky.

>>156260066
>>156260108
Looty this guy is mogging you! He mogged you several years ago! You must reclaim your honour!

>>156260124
The true mogger is Miss Jessica Vosk. She started all this mess.

>>156260120
The theory was a thing 4 years ago?

>>156260139
Yes. It just didn't have they much content (thanks to S1 being a rushjob) for analysing at the beginning. It was a bit crackpot at the beginning but now anyone who denies it is hard coping.

>>156260139
The theory was a thing as soon as Lute was introduced, technically. People asked if she was Eve, but then Viv said her name was Lute. I think a little while after was when Jessica dropped the tweet, but nobody gave a shit.

Anyway, word has been spreading, and more people are starting to believe that the identity switch actually involves Roo & Lilith. I've been saying this for a while now. I'm fairly convinced that the former employee misunderstood what they were seeing. Roo probably impersonated Lilith, taking on an appearance nearly identical to hers, except for the bangs, which actually look exactly like Roo's in her usual form. The employee may have seen that design and mistakenly assumed it was Eve. Another reason I'm skeptical is that there's a current employee who headcanons Eve as Lilith's twin. They've even posted artwork it ages ago, but they've explicitly clarified that it's just their personal headcanon.

Then there's the other pilot employee saying that Evil/Roo had something to do with Charlie's creation. I'm telling y'all.... This fandom is gonna explode. Bet.

>>156260156
I think the main take from the fandom after the Lute is Eve reveal will be that Viv should have dropped the secret identity plot line and had her be Eve from the start. Like I'm betting you're gonna hear that one a lot.

>>156260168
Some people have already said this, actually. Lowkey, I do kinda agree... Why is it a secret??

>>156260172
The based galaxy brain take is it's deliberate feminist metacommentary. But it's probably not that. Maybe they just wanted at least one big Game of Thrones style WTF twist for the audience.

Adam is like the fakeout boss fight before the real boss which is Eve.

>>156260172
Honestly I'm currently neutral on this take because my conclusion very much depends on how Viv executes the Lute is Eve reveal and what comes after. If it's not to a certain standard I will admit that probably having her be Eve from the start and just having the Adam and Eve villain combo from the beginning might have been the better option (in the sense that she probably would have had an easier time doing it and a higher success rate).

>>156260211
I'd more compare it to a Total War game. Adam is a doomstack heading towards your frontline who you can cheese while Eve is a balanced army directly in your backline conquering all your undefended settlements.

>>156257044
This is actually decent. /co/ isn't that interested in fan characters and fanfic, it's more of a theory discussion thread, but /trash/ likes it if you'd like to try your luck there.

>/co/:
Show discussion, theory discussion, discussion of Viv and crew antics and commentary on the wider fanbase.
>/trash/:
Creatives, fanart, fanfics, OCs, horny posting and of course the moderation is much looser.
That's how I'd divide the two.

>>156260329
/Trash/ biggest issue is that you have a couple of old fucks there who try to police the newcomers. Which is fucking retarded. If a tripfag shows up and berates you for being a new fag just ignore him.

>>156260350
They used to get all the new interview info (etc) first but I noticed it's started to come to /co/ first which is pretty interesting.

>>156260202
>The based galaxy brain take is it's deliberate feminist metacommentary
You read my mind. I was going to say that maybe this is Viv's attempt to do some elaborate meta commentary about feminism and that she didn't want to establish Eve from the get-go in order to subvert people's expectations of what Eve is even supposed to be like.

But that's probably expecting too much from Viv. The more simple answer is probably to do a switcheroo: usually Adam would be the tragic hero who gets a fridged wife. Let Eve have the fridged husband.

>>156260350
I tried to ask about a certain user, and I was dogpiled. There was crazy schizo telling people to not talk to me and not entertain my questions because I sounded very suspect and they were certain I was an infiltrator. I... I think they were on drugs. It was weird.

>>156260380
If you actually want that info this place is more organised so you have an easier time finding it. Like I remember when someone was describing the S2 commentary on /Trash/ back when it just released and the main discussion was people being salty about Alastor and Smiles.

>>156260406
>The more simple answer is probably to do a switcheroo: usually Adam would be the tragic hero who gets a fridged wife. Let Eve have the fridged husband.

Sadly for Eve this is a Viv show so she's probably gonna end up hated while Adam gets praised for no reason. Being the focus is not a good thing for your rep in Vivland.

>>156260418
>>156260420
It's almost like when your culture is so hostile and incomprehensible to outsiders and relies on you knowing a million things that have nothing to do with the cartoon then people who just want to discuss the cartoon and nothing else will leave you alone and go elsewhere.

>>156260446
To be fair, that's literally already happening. Lute isn't on people's radar when they obsess over Adam. They do not talk about her or they resort to making her his dog.... apprentice..... daughter type figure. They think she is his Niffy to his Alastor.

Then the larpers of course are excusing her to Hell and back, but in an ironic twist, they do not support her being Eve, which I can write a whole essay about. The jokes write themselves.

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>>156255122
>Vaggie/Alastor
Odd how Alastor and Vaggie had more interaction with each other in each season than they did with Charlie. More so I think they just both genuinely care for Charlie in a way where they want to make sure she stays in her position of control.

>>156260450
I genuinely wonder whether some of these people even like the show beyond a very superficial level. They discuss the characters as though they're OCs, completely rewriting their personalities, motivations, and relationships to fit elaborate storylines that have virtually nothing to do with the actual lore. And not even to accommodate ships, it's just literally a different story and characters altogether.

Like, fuck, just make an OC with red hair and antlers and call him something else, because the character you're describing barely resembles Alastor or Lucifer anymore.

>>156260475
Yeah they do that a lot. What's insane is the reactions you get when you bring them back to reality or point out what the canon character actually does. Like I'm fine with you doing you OOC fanfic but going feral like that ain't ok.

>>156260475
That's radioshatic for you

radioshatics in /trash/ would nuke entire threads with spam if you dared to criticize the ship and one bpdemon bitch was so unhinged she threw a melty and admitted spamming radiostatic would keep her up until 4am crying

>>156260601
> bpdemon bitch

She sounds absolutely terrifying.

I'm genuinely convinced most of the "fans" don't actually like this show hence why they drastically reinterpret the characters. I mean, this general might talk about how they actually like the show compared to Helluva fans but the fact they only talk about Adam and Lute is more proof that the "fans" don't actually like the show. I think Viv's not that great of writer if she has this effect on her consumers. Her being only good at romance may be one of the reasons why her shows aren't all that powerful.

>>156260601
Most of the people on /trash/ are fucked in the head.

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New charlastor theory dropped

>>156260641
I'd say it has the "specific element effect". People like the show but they mainly like it for certain characters and elements. Sounds retarded but it reminds me of people who play Warhammer and like only one or some factions and don't give a shit about the rest. Everyone wants their favourite to get stuff. There's obviously the creators favourite which gets most love and the neglected factions/characters which have their specific hyper fanbase.

>>156260654
What is this schizo shit?

>>156260649
That's everyone on this site.

>>156260641
The fat bitch isn't good at anything. Let's start with that. Also only retards watch this dribble so it doesn't matter what they talk about. What the heck do you expect from deviantart garbage from the 90s?

>>156260654
..... This is supposed to be a groundbreaking conspiracy theory?

>>156260654
Dude they are coping so hard I have been screenshoting a bunch of people that say that ra has no chance of becoming canon I want a meltdown compilation when they hold hands

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all my semen for Vaggi

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>>156260692
no piercing version

>>156260692
>>156260695
Horny Vaggie fans are so fucking weird.

>>156260686
You know it's impressive how delusional these guys are. Kinda funny when you compare them to the more pessimistic Flowertunes and GuitarSpear fans who assume Adam ain't gonna get any decent relationship moments with Eve or Lute.

>>156260601
stay out of trash with your /co/ pedo threads, thanks. also vaggastor is king

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>>156259440
Honestly surprised that ship didn't gain more traction after Weapon of Mass Distraction. Even when I encounter non-shipping art of them together, a lot of people point out how much potential the ship has.

>>156260803
You didn't need to add the first part for us to know your from /Trash/. You could have just left the vaggastor part. Also very mid ship.

>>156260809
It was a slowly but steady growing ship till Viv killed it with lesbian Sera.

>>156260803
Calm down kek. We've never had pedoshit in our threads by the way and you can't say the same about /trash/.

>>156260803
Hazbin Hotel General has literally no pedophilia in it and in truth Helluva Hotel General is the fucked up one of the two. Your brain has been rotted so much from going there you can't see that or you're projecting.

>>156260886
They did mention and I quote "having sex with canon age Octavia" before she turned 18 and did have some shota Alastor stuff. It's kind of a pot calling the kettle black on their part.

They're just salty because we kicked Demon Uterus Anon out and he went over there and is spamming.

>>156260914
What did you expect? Anyone who frequents porn threads has a high chance of being some degenerate porn addict that either would or did wank it to child porn. Also, one of the worms there unironically said once that "17 year old porn isn't child pornography."

>>156260922
Honestly his style fits that place more.

>>156260922
Wait, Demon Uterus Anon fucked off finally???

>>156260950
He's still here. He just mainly posts his "art" and greentexts there. Which is probably better for him.

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>>156260809
>when youe meme starts floating in the general wilds
it's a certain kind of pride. Fit for hell!

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>>156260803
>fulfills a few requests with no morally questionable strings attached and suddenly get ships together

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>>156260875
A character's canon sexuality shouldn't be able to kill a ship. If it did, then we wouldn't have any ships involving Alastor.
>>156260964
It's good, and was first on the list of images I have to get the point across, or at least one that I could post on a blue board, lmao.

>>156261121
spending most of your time on blue boards will yield clever posts once in a while

>>156260963
Oh, good. I personally found his writings disgusting so I'm glad I won't have my eyes assaulted by it anymore. I pity the /trash/ites that'll have the displeasure to see his grotesqueries. Oh, wait- I don't because most of them fucking suck. Good for them! I hope it makes them vomit.

>>156261121
>A character's canon sexuality shouldn't be able to kill a ship. If it did, then we wouldn't have any ships involving Alastor.

It depends. Lesbian characters tend to get a lot of white knights that get outraged when you ship them with a man. Obviously it doesn't go both ways so don't expect them to offer the same respect to characters who are straight women. Most people just drop those ship so they don't have to deal with these guys.

>>156261147
Realistically it shouldn't affect the trash bunch that much since they already have disgusting and weirder shit going on constantly.

>>156261163
Gee, I wonder why the /trash/ general isn't so popular....

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>>156261216
Lois Griffin cosplaying as an anime pirate.

>>156261226
You just murdered him.

>>156260256
I'll give it a whirl, but for the sake of maintaining /co/hesion, I'll draw up Niffty too. Just for you guys. As a treat.

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>>156257044
>Got into a drunken spat with the off duty border guards who took umbridge with his supposed "Anti-Communist" attitude.
>>156257044
>Lead an Atheistic, Communist life, yet on some level felt a longing for God but never even so much as went to church once to feed what could have spiritually nourished him.
So i get the feeling that he never questioned all the retarded parts of Communism, but did question the Atheism part.

>>156260329
I'd say non-fetish, non-lewd fanart is >>>/co/

>>156260601
>radioshatics
that sounds like a bad radioshack parody.

>>156261352
I don't like Radioshack.

>>156260803
radioshatic lost

156260329
Alternatively:
>/co/:
Gossip about xitter users.
>/trash/:
Gossip about /trash/.

>>156261421
Don't provoke them. I don't want the trash bunch to show up here to stirr shit.

peryanon larps as WASP and natsoc while he is a fucking nigerian who stole his hellaverse OC from a femanon
fuck these pedos

>>156261451
>babble about literally whos
Go away

Vaggi will die to Lute in S3/4 and Charlie will marry Alastor, the intended ship since the pilot.

>>156261387
Worst product you bought at Radioshack.

>>156261485
Wtf is this?

>>156260964
Sera is pretty much Suzaku when you think about it, being a hypocritical dumbass who indirectly caused genocide

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New sex scene in the DUA continuity. The “Mayday pack” members Josh and Ace win the Karma Jackpot when Josh (left) voluntarily becomes a Broodmare. The end result is complete victory in life.

Easily my happiest character outcome.

>>156262233

Post-script: put it on /trash/.

>>156260922
>>156260936
>>156260950
>>156261186

>Lucifer and Adam successfully escaped the clutches of the pursuing Department For Crimes Against Heaven. Now they looked at the red night sky. “This makes me think of a musical,” Lucifer smirked playfully. “But you HATE musicals,” Adam laughed. Lucifer shrugged, “Yeah but this is a Vivziepop property, fuck it. Besides, let’s have fun with this.” Adam groaned, “Fine. Sing.”

Lucifer began to sing at 3 AM in the morning, testing out verses for a final piece.

>You can trust me now, for I mean no harm! Oh my heart’s on fire, setting off alarms!”

He tried another.

>For I love you so, with all my heart! And we’ll see the world, if the car would start!”

Lucifer smirked and did one more.


>”We’ll hug in the street, share the pain and load! As drivers yell, “Bitch get off the road!”

Adam smirked, “You never could take musicals seriously.”

>>156262233
>>156262242
>>156262356
Namefaggotry.

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Also this particular sex scene got so wholesome I just have to show you the sentimental ending.

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>>156260922

Was, if you’d been paying ACTUAL attention. I agreed to cut down on the amount of AI art I posted there. Horror of horrors, I can be reasoned with.

At any rate, back to /trash/ since I posted my contribution to /co/.

Would Niffty like being called mommy?

>>156262760
Did she actually have children? Like was she a mom at one point in her life?

>>156259440
Reminder that Viv called Sera her favorite angel in the S2E5 commentary

>>156262954
I mean there's not a lot of pure angel characters. Lucifer is more fallen angel than proper heaven angel. Vaggie and the rest of the exorcists might be angelic ripoffs of Eve(and are probably super low on the angelic order). Lute/Eve and Adam(and I guess also Abel but genuinely who cares about him) are technically humans. Really it's just Sera and Emily.

>>156253671
>Vivzieslop
I'll pass thank you very much

>>156263648
>seething

>>156263648
What exactly attracts you here just to post that?

>>156252259
I’m worried then. Logo wasn’t allowed to show his Wally/Verosika ship art before it happened in the show, or maybe even mention it. So why is it okay with GS?

>>156264280
Because GS might have had the initial ok from Viv where Wally X Verosika only later earned it. Like GS might have gotten the ok once they were done with S1 where in HB it was uncertain what would happen with Verosika early on. HH is more structured and actually has a plan while HB is more freeform and on the fly creation.

>>156264467
Didn't they scrap a whole episode of HB?

>>156264467
GS has always been a thing. It wasn't a late addition.

>>156264862
>>156264898
Exactly.

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Tonight the ULTIMATE Plot-twist in the DUA (already foreshadowed by a Super Spoiler Image in /trash/ ) shall be unleashed, lol! The one that changes everything you thought you knew about DUA Continuity! The twist that retroactively makes a lot of sense! And even Vivziepop herself will go, “Well shit, he beat me to it.”

BTW, you can totally use this twist Vivziepop. You literally have at least 3 more seasons to do it, and I’d be honored if you did.

>>156265130

TLDR version: to use an analogy, this is on the level of what caused the Kelvin Timeline in “Star Trek.” One big change that created an alternate reality.

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>>156265188

Post-script: I just realized. THIS explains more strongly why Charlie is estranged from her parents. The big secret they didn’t tell her.

I am so excited for tonight. At any rate, time to plan the reveal.

Demonic Uterus Anon raped me behind an Arby's

>>156265279
Did you get a demon uterus?

Lilith is going to make the fandom have a full on fit, holy shit. Stella damage is such a plague because god forbid a woman in the Hell show is kind of shitty, no matter how interesting her plot is. Not allowed because Stella.

>>156265279

According to my own continuity, I am literally ALREADY ONE of Adam’s male Broodmare bitches. Try to keep up with the weirdness. Someone in the past jokingly suggested Adam fucked me & turned me into a Broodmare…and I thought, “Fuck it, why not?”

If anyone gives you a Demonic Uterus as a guy, it’s totally going to be Adam cause I’m a Bottom (in this story).

>>156265397
Oh my god I am so pregnant! *Shits out Alastor and Lucifer (They teleported through my hole) out of my BUSSY*

>>156239755
This "Lute could do better" always upsets me, both from fans and as possible show plot

I get that people want the best for a woman, I respect that and I want it too, but they like sorta project their own view of how things should be to very distinctive person with rather specific tastes

Aside from the theory, she is this simple, dense and devoted knight character who wants to do her knight job, sometimes to have fun with some little company of old friends, but she wouldn’t mind just working either
People like her don't actually need anything much more or anything complicated, unlike most ordinary people

That’s why when she says that Adam completed her, she truly means it. She has already found herself a similarly one-celled friend for her simple one-celled life

So, instead of looking for a replacement for Adam, you could just teach that dumb asshole how to treat his best woman properly, and she’ll be absolutely happy. Maybe they’ll even make more friends, instead of scaring everyone around them away
Still, I wouldn't be surprised if the plot will force Lute to change her mindset completely, and she will become more like the others, and really will get over Adam and their past life. But for me that would be a waste, I like dense knight female characters a lot

I also don't see GS as endgame (at least for now), exactly because an asshole like Adam shouldn’t be allowed to enter into a romantic relationship with a woman until he’s gone through some personal development arc
Not to mention that he (is dead) doesn’t even love her yet

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>>156265279

Oh please. Even ADAM would never fuck you behind an Arbys. He’d fuck you in the bathroom of a Waffle House. 24 hours open means 24 hours of Adam getting to binge anytime.

>>156265555
I'm the one who posted that original comment. I understand what you're saying. I'm generally of the opinion that villains don't necessarily deserve anything better than each other. I'm not questioning the sincerity of Lute's feelings for Adam, either. When she says he completes her, she genuinely means it. I'm certainly not suggesting her love is false, nor do I expect the show to explore that as a plot point.

I just don't particularly like how Adam treats her if Lute is Eve, I especially dislike the idea that he can fuck around while she feels (or want) she can't do the same, but he does. Granted, that's partly on her for never communicating her feelings, and I'm not blaming Adam for something he doesn't know. I simply don't like the dynamic. Considering everything she's done for him, I would like to see her realize she could receive a little more in return. I think she could do better, and that's honestly as deep as it goes.

Do I expect that to happen? No. Am I arguing that she necessarily deserves better? Also no. And do I think the show is building toward some grand revelation that Adam was never worthy of her? Absolutely not. I can recognize what the story is doing while still having personal opinions about their relationship.

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>>156265571

That and people occasionally catch chairs during brawls at Wendy’s, so entertainment with Adam’s eating.

>>156265645

Waffle House, correction. Wendy was the woman who caught the chair.

>>156265455
I'm super excited for the meltdown.

Lute is Eve
Rosie is Lilith
The Lilith we see in Heaven is Roo, hence the "mystery".

This would also line up with what the former employee said about her having something to do with Charlie's creation. And Viv recently confirming that she can shapeshift.

I'm willing to make bets.

>>156265555
Making your entire life revolve around one person to the point that you put yourself as lesser and second, won't be honest with them about who you are, hallucinate them when they're gone, and let your own son call you a bitch and order you around because he sufficiently looked like his father is not a good relationship to have with anyone. But especially when that someone is a guy like Adam.

I feel safe to say that if the series is interested in developing Lute, it will have to involve her growing from this dogged mindset of hers that includes her unhealthy dependence on Adam. It doesn't matter if Adam returns and decides to be better, Lute herself would have to look inward and change for it to be a "good" relationship. The problem lies with her, this ain't about him and what he chooses to do.

That doesn't mean she has to start hating him or choose someone else at all. It could even end up with them back together, though I personally see no signs of Adam coming back.

>>156265555
Checked and based feminist

>>156265533

Protection still works with a Demonic Uterus. It’s not a magic power. Just need a device that blocks up the Morningstar opening.

>>156265699
I feel like there's an irony in so many people seeming to offset all of her fuckery onto Lucifer to absolve her because I think Charlie is partially doing that too in the series.

>>156265725
This could also introduce a really interesting angle if Lute is Eve, because that would mean she was literally created from Adam's rib. Her dependency on him could be actually something she genuinely can't help because she was made that way. Granted, I think that might be a little too much for Viv to explore, and I doubt she'd necessarily frame it as unhealthy, since she is still choosing him out of her own volition. I just personally dislike the implications.

Adam gets to fool around, even if he's still mourning his wife, and yes, I understand he has every right to move on. But the fact that he can, even if it's his way of coping, while Lute seemingly can't, whether because she's prohibited from doing so or because she imposes those restrictions on herself, bothers me. It makes the whole idea of them being each other's one true love for eternity way less appealing to me. Especially if Lute was specifically created to love and depend on him while he retains the freedom to pursue other people.

I still think she could do better, even if that's never going to be the point of their story. Because, seriously, imagine being created specifically for someone who isn't bound to you in the same way. That fucking sucks.

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Sex with Vaggi

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I still want them to kiss and make up

>>156265844
(one of the anons that said she can do better speaking here:) Don't worry, they will. And they're going to fuck like bunnies and repopulate the Earth.

>>156265796
>Adam gets to fool around, even if he's still mourning his wife, and yes, I understand he has every right to move on. But the fact that he can, even if it's his way of coping, while Lute seemingly can't, whether because she's prohibited from doing so or because she imposes those restrictions on herself, bothers me


Fundamentally it's her choice to make. You also have to remember ultimately she has the closure of knowing where Adam is and what he's doing and the opportunity to inform him. He lacks that. If the roles where reversed would she have done the same because she wouldn't know where Adam was? We don't know.

>>156265796
I actually do believe Viv would explore the rib element if Lute is Eve and that it'll be framed as a layer of questionable and unhealthy even if it's a choice she makes.

I think where fandom gets it wrong is that they assume the point will be that Adam is her abuser who forced her into anything when nothing really points to that. It's not as if Adam had any say in that matter either. It's another of Lute's fucked up mindsets informed by how she was created, what she was created for, and the impact of the apple.

Adam was created to be first, she was created to be second, and that carries on into everything, including what you're saying about Lute vs Adam in loyalty and relationships. But it is in big part because Lute allows, upholds, and accepts this dynamic, and that's what makes it more compelling for her to grow past it. I agree that GS is a bit fucky otherwise if you really love Lute as a character.

>>156265900
I assume she wouldn't because again, she is from his rib. He is not of her, she is from him, which already gives him an inherent power imbalance unlike anything else. And yes I do acknowledge that is fundamentally her choice, I never disagreed with that. It still something that I'm not crazy about. Sorry. But ultimately that doesn't matter because Viv isn't framing it that way.

>>156265936
This 100%. And you know for a fact if they call it to attention, people are going to latch onto that and definitely try and make it seem like he was her one-on-one abuser. That's not the issue. Heaven, in this instance would be the issue, for making her from him, and then her being literally unable to move on, and they're not even trying to acknowledge or fix that. That's fucked up.

>>156265936
>>156265940
I guess at the end of the day we'll have to wait and see how Viv does things (or fucks up those specific things). Who knows maybe they'll make Adam super pussy whipped in the Eve flashbacks to the extent where the supposed questions regarding the power dynamic disappear.

>>156265976
If Heaven is aware she's Eve it does make it very fucked up. The soul you deliberately created her from and for dies and you're just shaking your head and sighing when she crashes out? Of course she's crashing the fuck out. But they're going to let it fester just like they let Adam fester.

>>156266041
And Abel. According to Viv in the Blu-ray commentary, Abel holds everything inside. Don't forget that. They really fuck the Eden family over.

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Is Eve's true form these days something more akin to her mask persona, do you think? Is she restrained under a glamour like Sera is but without the same control?

>>156266365
The fuck do you mean her true form? She's a human. She looks exactly the same, just with longer brown / black / blonde hair.

>>156266090
The number of times in the S2 commentary they point out how furious Lute is that absolutely no one is listening to her gives her some serious Charlie parallels, and we know how much Viv defends Charlie's actions in S2

>>156266398
I mean if she's a 'demonic angel' Sinner thing.

>>156266438
Absolutely. And Viv has said that she finds it unfair that Eve was blamed. Lute , like Charlie, is probably a self-insert of some kind.

>>156266365
If you mean her sinner form I kinda assume she still looks humanoid. Funny enough she might look like a harpy.

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Vaggi sex
while she is grumpy

>>156266438
>>156266450
Viv keeps comparing herself to Lute when she comes onscreen. Aspects of Lute are an insert.

>>156266565
:|

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LOL

>>156265900
there's always the theory that adam was bullshitting all his sexcapades with charlie to pad time. 'yeah i totally fucked all of these bitches, i have SO much sex SO many women want me' meanwhile he goes home alone every single goddamn time.

>>156266883
Adding on to that. Lute didn't have any reaction when he said that because she knows he doesn't fuck other bitches (she literally stalks him so she knows what he's up to).

>>156266931
>>156266883
I do partially believe this, especially now that it's confirmed that nobody in heaven liked him.

>>156266949
Lute's just waiting for the moment Heaven decides she did her job well enough and she can start draining her man so hard he ascends to Super Heaven.

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>>156263648
I remember I was once like this before Tim Sweeney. Now I'm part of the Lute/Eve gospel and read a 50 transcript document.

>>156267117
Vaggi saved Fortnite Island, Charlie wishes she was that useful.

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The “Teaser scene” of the plot twist coming to /trash/.

Charlie Morningstar realizes something that changes everything.

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I wish I was a kid again with endless time to game. This fucking game is everything a kid would want for a sandbox playground.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGU7CB457gk

>>156267117
I'm the opposite. Hazbin Hotel made me want to play Fortnite but I'm a Linux fag and I have to wait for the Linux port that's coming later this year. Did they do Lego and Fall Guys skins for the Hazbin characters?

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You think Vaggi knew Lilith personally?

>>156267611
i think she'd have mentioned it to charlie by now if she did, given that even lute waits for the chamber to empty before mentioning lilith to sera which implies it's being kept at a low profile. i could see an evil lilith planting the seed that vaggi hid the knowledge of lilith being in heaven from her ('wouldn't be the first thing she's hidden from you...') for the drama.

>>156267720
>i think she'd have mentioned it to charlie by now if she did
would she? she is barely in Charlie's life. more proof she was just an arranged coupling with Lucifer.

>>156267739
Arranged by who?

>>156267765
a beard

>>156267739
i meant 'vaggi would've mentioned it' not lilith.

>>156267611
No. Why the fuck would she? Lilith being in heaven is obviously not common knowledge amongst the angelic council. Why the fuck would a simple foot soldier know?

>>156268448
Why is he gooning to Velvette?

>>156268572
Lute distracted him with the porno mag so she could rest on his heavenly soft ass.

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Welp, I did it. I dropped the big secret about Charlotte on /trash/. The massive truth. So just this once, an AI image to drive it home.

Grab your popcorn Vivziepop.

>Charlotte recoiled in horror and drew a blade on her own father, frightened and confused. “Tell me it’s NOT true. Tell me you didn’t resurrect ADAM as a fucking Sinner for THAT reason!!!”

>>156267611
>When the girl who thinks she's the dom in her relationship meets a real dom.

>>156269178
lol

>>156269178
lol

>>156267227
>Did they do Lego and Fall Guys skins for the Hazbin characters
Not that I've checked. I don't think so for Lego because I thought we would have seen Lego character memes of them.

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>>156269072

So yeah, while AdamsApple will never be canon, I can make a case it can be mined for plenty of emotional drama with the right cards played. In this case, using Charlie.

>>156262159
God I hope I don't know who you're talking about.

Lucifer impregnating Adam.

>>156269299
believe me
I bet they tried that

>>156267117
So many Hazbin threads used to just be
>mfw when i go to hell and it's not just a bunch of singing queers hurhurhur
Glad we seem to have mostly moved on from that overused bad-faith description

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>>156269294

CA shippers are why Vivzie forced Alastor into a cuck chair for most of S2

>>156269299

How many half-demon babies does Adam get?

>>156269791

And had Vox clearly lust for him.

>>156269697
I came on the right time. I just don't do new shows at release. Two seasons I think is the safest that way there's more to talk on.

>>156269791
Alastor is for Charlie and Vaggi's cuck sessions.

>>156272524
Canon accurate

>>156272524
It reminds me of the mom in the new cyberpunk season where she's literally a square and the fandom keeps drawing her bigger and wider.

No Hazbin Hotel news AND no AO3 at the same time is just mean.

Anyone got more info on the whole... ships with sigils thing? I need more details... Is it legit?

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>"Vivziepop, whatever happened there"

>>156272821
Magic

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For those who don’t want to go to /trash/ for The Big Plot Twist:

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>>156273002

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>>156273010

Yeah Lucifer really should have just told her from the beginning.

>>156272694
AO3 is still down?

>>156272756
What do you want to know? Basically a very small group of ships get these elaborate sigils on their Hot Topic two sided hoodies and others don't. Those that do are Chaggie, Radioapple, Guitarspear and Stolitz. None of the others have one at the current time. Those that have a hoodie but no sigil inclue Radiostatic and Radiorose. Surprisingly Viv has hinted there is some significance to the sigils and whether or not a ship gets one and it might not just be the Hot Topic merch team making decisions. That's about it

>>156273063

Yup.

>>156273063
>>156273174
Any idea how long is it still gonna be down for?

>>156273015
So is Charlie the homo byproduct of Adam and Lucifer or did Adam knock up Lilith?

>>156273184

No idea.

>>156273184
it should be back on time based on what they said initially, they just need to fix up the backend after (supposedly) jeets using AI to find security holes in it

>>156273189

Lilith eloped with Lucifer but impregnated herself with Adam’s stored sperm (which is why he didn’t know about her). She correctly guessed Adam might eventually come after them, and deliberately put a huge obstacle in his path. That and she wanted a bargaining chip if she ever needed to get back with Adam. She really is a bitch.

Adam cannot kill his own daughter.

>>156273272
The Fujo mindset is strong with this one.

>>156273272

Put simply, Lilith is ruthless. Sure becoming the Queen of Hell furthered her own ambitions and freed herself from a rocky marriage, but she hedged her bets.

Unsurprisingly DUA Charlie despises her.

>>156253671

This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS

>>156273277

Relax. She’s no Stella. She’s simply playing bedroom politics. Both Adam and Lucifer are powerful players, but she isn’t sure which one to fully side with. Both of them further her ambition.

And she does have a better half and standards. In spite of the fact the Department Of Crimes Against Heaven had enormous political power, she fully endorsed the destruction of the organization on principle.

>>156266438
>>156266554
She says "We all relate to this bitch so hard". All of us, eh? Hmmm

>>156273069
What about Sir pentious / Cherri? And when did Viv hint that they were important?

>>156273333
I don't think Sir Pentious and Cherri have one of the full cover hoodies yet. When they get a hoodie that's when you take notice and look for the sigil or lack thereof. When I say a ship doesn't have a sigil I mean they got one of these specific dual sided dual coverage hoodies and there was no sigil on it.
Viv was seen liking posts pointing out that Radioapple has a sigil and Radiorose does not and wondering if they have a meaning. Allegedly a fan showed her their Radioapple sigil tattoo and she got all excited and said 'I know what that means' and wouldn't elaborate.

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>>156273277

The hilarious irony is how Lilith misread the room. As potentially dangerous to her as Adam and Lucifer are, it’s ultimately CHARLOTTE who is easily her biggest enemy. She took all the trauma inflicted on herself, her biological father, and the man who raised VERY seriously.

She has ZERO intention of forgiving her.

>>156273354

“This is my life and you used it as a political chess piece. FUCK YOU Lilith. You are no mother of mine.”

>>156273354
>>156273368
Again you have a very Fujo coded mindset.

>>156273384

Well I did see a lot of anime growing up.

>>156273332

I don’t, lol. She’s needlessly aggressive when the situation calls for restraint.

>>156273966
Stop larping as Lilith.

>>156273974

I don’t like Lilith either.

>>156274017
But you sound like her.

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>>156253671
Viv be like

>>156269767
lmao fuck my life that shit was bad

>>156273069
>Radioapple
The only one that just does not fit.

>>156274126
Lilith...

>>156274126

My issue with Radio Apple is why would they become a couple? They seem to absolutely hate one another.

>>156274237
Nah. Lilith is done with Lucifer's bullshit. RA can happen and she won't give a shit.

>>156274245
That's half of the problem.

>>156274126
>The only one that just does not fit.

It fits in the sense Viv wants to make it canon.

>>156274249

And the other?

>>156261421
sorry, i was too drunk to realize i responded to the wrong post

>>156274245
>They seem to absolutely hate one another.
So do Adam and Lucifer except they hate each other even more.

>>156273966
Show some respect to the woman who invented pregnancy

>>156274353
Mogged Lilith with that.

>>156274338
The average AdamsApple fan will completely ignore that.

>>156274481

In my case I made an AU where Lucifer and Adam were close buddies in school.

Canon universe AdamsApple is impossible.

>>156274565
Oh God it's (trademark) "Adam Academy" all over again.

>>156274594

No I can unflinchingly say my story is at least better than that. The school stuff isn’t a big part of the story. Most of it is set after the events of Season 2 Hazbin Hotel, with Charlotte now ruling Hell.

>>156274632

Also I really love how genuinely loathsome the villains (Department Of Crimes Against Heaven) are.

>>156274245
Viv loves enemies to lovers and no way her fujo self is just going to let it be at fucking Cherrisnake when her two faves are right there.

>>156274565
>canon AdamsApple is impossible

Both had marital issues with the same woman. They're eskimo buddies.

>>156274808
That's not how things work. Also wtf is a Eskimo buddy?