>Ellison said during Skydance's employee town hall: "We are not here to preserve the status quo. We are here to build for what comes next.">Clayface was a factor in the end of Gunn's DCU, as its box office haul, while "respectable," is "not what Skydance is looking to get out of the franchise.">As one producer put it, "James seemed to be focused on the corniness of 1950s DC. He had to adjust from the abject failure of the Zack Snyder era, but I don't think people wanted cornball.">DC Studios will have a far quieter presence on social media compared to Gunn, who was known for being a very vocal online presence and carried that over to his time as co-CEO," the trade writes, adding, "What insiders also expect Latcham to do – by mandate of Ellison – is to get the Justice League back on the big screen as soon as possible.">"No more Polka Dot Men or even modestly known heroes like Supergirl," the piece notes. "Latcham will be expected to get films for Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash and other heavyweights going in the years ahead."https://www.thewrap.com/creative-content/movies/dc-studios-why-james-gunn-peter-safran-fired-jeremy-latcham/?
>>156255964>or even modestly known heroes like Supergirl," the piece notes. "Latcham will be expected to get films for Wonder WomanWell then, who do you guys want for the next reboot in 2031?
>>156255964>its box office haul, while "respectable,"Even if a film makes money it's still not good enough because it's not eye watering money. This is capitalism.
>>156255964what i'm getting from this is that Gunn wasn't the problem, Ellison is just retarded
>>156255985please, none of this is even gonna happenthis is Man of Steel 2 SDCC 2013 announcement all over again, they're staying it to stop the investors routing tomorrow, it's not actually gonna happenthis gargantuan company is being strangled by its own fat ass>>156256042it's probably going to make something like 20 million profit after all costs, and while that's fine for a 40 million dollar movie, you don't invest 200 million expecting to make a 100 million profit either; basically the investors - who are investing money in these projects through the studio - are the problem, because they can just throw ten million at a rugpull memecoin and make 100 million from fucking rubes instead of investing in film production and having to do complicated workarounds for tax
>>156256095the problem is that the entire film and television industry is at the mercy of people who need lines to go up forever despite the obvious impossibility. and it's always the studios who suffer for their dipshittery.
>>156256063imagine someone at McDonalds announces the McDonalds Cinematic Universe tomorrow and it's for realthey make like 4 movies before whoever OK'd it at McDonalds HQ is fed into the burger maker feet firstand the whole time, the whole goddamned time>industry sources are perplexed that McDonalds is moving into movie-making>a source at McDonalds told Variety "early steps, sure the first movie didn't quite hit the mark but we're confident we have a strong brand with great recognition world-wide and that this is what the fans want to see">can we all agree /co/ was wrong when it said ClownBurger would flop? it made 40 million on its first weekend (movie cost 300 million, free happy meals were given out with every first weekend ticket)and then a decade of your life has gone by and even though McDonalds are pretending it never happened harder than Universal Monsters, there's still some faggot online somewhere pushing increasingly obsessive, insane shit about how this new director is in talks to regurgitate the McFranchise
>>156256042The films dont exist to make momey as films, they exist to push characters into public consciousness and sell toys. Spiderman does not make money from spiderman ticket sales, it doesnt make money from comics sales, it makes money from toys and monopoly board games and throw blankets and boxes of kraft mac'n'cheese. Kids are not pulling on mommys skirt and begging them to buy the mac'n'cheese with clayface on it.
>>156255964>Clayface was a factor in the end of Gunn's DCU, as its box office haul, while "respectable," is "not what Skydance is looking to get out of the franchise."This translates to "Sure it was nice making money by doing something different but we would rather just try forcing a generic MCU clone and pray that it prints money."That bit about them ignoring the vast majority of the DC universe is really fucking grim.
>>156255964I’m not denying that gunn’s dcu had some problems but does anyone else think there might be some political reason behind his firing?
>>156256042Suits expect every movie to make a billion dollars it is too unrealistic.
>>156256042and with communism we would have no movie at all. your point?
>what comes next
>>156256155Klasky Csupo, the people who made rugrats, made a ronald mcdonald cinematic universe in the late 90s. it was pretty good and someone should make more.
>>156255964there is no way any of you retards wil actaully defend gunn, right?His Superman movie was ok at best, supergirl was trash and clayface, although good was nothing to write home about.I really don't understand why they cant just follow the MCU. Just do movies for the heavy hitters so they can carry the small fries down the line. It is really not that hard.the only thing they have now is The batman part 2 and eventually part 3 and that is it.
>>156256166the bean counters have learned nothing from the past 15 years of cinematic circumcision. and they will never learn.
>>156255964In summation: More generic crap forever
>>156255964I have no trust in these idiots. They have no idea what they're doing. What's crazy is that it's incredibly simple, yet they keep fucking it up.
Why are we all pretending doomsday won't kill the cinematic universe shit for good?It's going to make money but it's going to be god awful just from the scale alone Dc should have given up entirely and just focused on animation and video games
>>156256174Kinda, but not in the way you think. Ellison is a "bro", he believes movies should be what they were like in his idealized nostalgia version of the 80s and 90s. Blockbusters that want to be blockbusters first and foremost, appealing to the widest possible audience, "meat and potatoes" tastes. Just like at what Skydance produces. They also like hiring cancelled (but not like too harshly, mostly people that are considered a bit toxic but that the audience either won't care or already forgave like Pitt for actors or Lasseter for directors) creators.
>>156256174Definitely seems that way.They have apparently said some shit about making the new ones more based on Christian values and not hiring actors who aren't pro-Israel.The Superman movie implying that genocide isn't a good thing probably got Gunn canned.I swear DC as a movie franchise is cursed.
>>156256283I meant Depp, people never gave a single shit about Pitt punching Jolie lol.
>da jooz
The heavy hitters already failed, the flash was the most nostalgia fan servicie big cgi collage I've ever seen Wonder women 2 failed too Are they children? They fucked up the first time, tried something else and when that failed they went back to try the first one again?
Just do a live action version of the 1984 style guide. That's it. Stop trying to subvert expectations. Stop trying to make superheroes "cool." If the characters take themselves seriously, so will the audience.
Even gacha games understand when a formula is no longer viable Why can't the west realize that?There's nothing they can make that will take them back to 2018-2020 and will give them the billion dollars they want
>>156255964Trying to jump right to massive Justice League films is a recipe for losses in the billions
>>156255964>Latcham will be expected to get films for Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, The Flash and other heavyweights going in the years ahead."Yeah sure we are, we all know what "heavyweights only" means: superman, batman and Harley quinn.
>>156255964>James seemed to be focused on the corniness of 1950s DCHe's just focused on corniness in general, doesn't matter the era.>No more Polka Dot Men or even modestly known heroes like SupergirlOnce more the suits associate lesser known with worthless, despite how things like Watchmen were built from re-imagined Charlton characters instead of major DC ones.The consequences of post irony strikes again, all that potential once more just gathering dust in storage.I'll take GL and Flash being better handled at least.
>>156255964James Gunn isn't gonna get to do Condiment King.
>>156255964There's a lot of these threads today here Am I crazy or are they giving too much credit and blame to gunn and this new guy.Times have changed you can bring Shakespeare back from the dead using Constantine himself and you won't make a good superhero movie in the year of our solar system 2026
>>156256095>it's probably going to make something like 20 million profit after all costs, and while that's fine for a 40 million dollar movie, you don't invest 200 million expecting to make a 100 million profit eitherWhile that is logically sound in a vacuum it isn't actually how things work.It's not a question of expecting large returns for large investments, it's the returns needing to always be growing.Since an investor's goal for a stock is an increase in valuation that's the only thing that really matters to them, and conventional knowledge a stock's price increases when a company grows. So the company HAS to grow. Every quarter. Always and forever.
>>156256316They think that if they just keep trying they'll make that prime MCU money when that is just never going to happen.That shit is over for all but the most popular heroes and big event movies like The Avengers. Maybe they could have gotten a slice of the pie if they didn't go the Snyder route but they did and they need to move on.
>>156256400>I'll take GL and Flash being better handled at least.Gl is a recipe for disaster in anything but animation and the flash has been proven to fail The only way DC gets what they want ie money is spamming one batman movie and one superman movie every year No one else
>>156256166I hate that I don't like Gunn and his fixation on the obscure for the sake of the obscure because it lets him remake them however he wantsBut at least it was fucking something. We're going to see Snyder2.0 happen and it's going to be a horrible disaster because the powers that be demand the exact same results as the already flagging MCU bullshit
>>156256166the unwritten rule in movies - which often actually is written in the form of contracts - is that you get to do your weird and small stuff in exchange for making big movies firstSuperman was a big movie, but everything else has been the small weird stuff you do well after the fact. Gunn could have done this shit forever if he had played ball and done it 'properly'it's one of those things that causes you to think "why are they letting him do this?" and the answer is "they asked themselves the same thing"
>>156255964these people are fucking morons. not every movie is going to make a billion. theres still a place for smaller ones like clayface. they just need to stop overspending on risky movies like supergirl
>>156256420>That shit is over for all but the most popular heroes and big event movies like The Avengers.I would argue it's over for the avengers themselves This is so weird I have a good memory so I remember every discourse cycle whenever anything MCU related got released Hell just look at the recent stuff like born again, thunderbolts, red hulk and vision quest but because we entered a new discourse cycle marvel is doing great actually Like even in terms of money I don't think avengers doomsday will earn as much as endgame that was a cultural event that was never been seen or tried before
>>156256435>and the flash has been proven to failThe problem with the flash is that you need to find a hollywood writer who wont shit his pants with the plot. He's proven to work on TV, and shit like reverse flash has clearly resonated with audiences. But the attempt to put flash to film wrote reverse flash out of the story because the idiots in charge thought that somehow 'the hero from the future but now he is evil' was a better idea.
>>156256187Filtered
>>156256283>Blockbusters that want to be blockbusters first and foremost, appealing to the widest possible audience, "meat and potatoes" tastes.Sure, like Flyboys, that successfully launched his career. lmao
>>156256435Business wise you're right, it's the safe bet, but even though I love Superman and Batman I really hate this slump.It's like when a Manga has interesting background characters, but because of polls, editors or writer bias the story just cycles through the same patterns.The approach is successful, but so sterile.
>>156256063No, Gunn was the problem. It was retarded to not have a Batman cast while doing a Batman villian movie and other stupid shit like Gorilla Grodd in high school. You don't even need to do a solo with him first, have him be a supporting character in Man of Tomorrow and/or Clayface, have him show up in a few films until Reeves is done and then you start your solo Batman films. Same with Wondy, which is what they're doing now but too little too late.
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>>156256531Anon I have the autism branch that makes you unable to drop something I watched the entirety of the cw flash.Reverse flash/Harrison wells worked because of the build up He works in animation because you can make him intimidating and cool with super speed also you can let him be 'catoonishly' evil Unless the movie is a two parter or 3 hours long a Flash movie will be hard to pull off I genuinely believe they should just bite the bullet and go all in on animation
>Unable to grasp at needing the bigger heroes to hit before doing the smaller ones.Doing Creature Commandos, Supergirl, solo Clayface, Grodd in the first volley was a real boneheaded move. Also, picking the worst creatives for this....Lanterns just sucked.
I hope they realize another full reboot would destroy whatever good will they have left.
>>156256598That post and the two christian guys from the screencap Instagram thread that hit the bumb limit 4 hours ago made me realize how new fags and inexperienced zoomies have yet to learn how to argue online even though they basically grew up here
>supergirl failed HARD>Lantern was doing great until the finale>clayface is not even to make profit on the cinemashow can you still trust gunn after this? superman did decent on US but it giga flopped on the international markets.him being fired was nothing new , the news here is that they didn't have his replacement ready for skydance launch.
>>156256638Anon, you know they will do it.Directors and suits are the biggest egoists on earth right after cult leaders.>What the hell does the other guy know Remember the tomorrow verse? Dc is so funny they are the nickelodeon of comics they never learn
>>156256598you know, everyone else fucking hated the aztecs for doing the whole "human sacrifice" thing, so when the spanish came a conqurin', the natives were on board
>>156256495I feel like Avengers is like Avatar where the normalfags are programmed to go see it en mass regardless of quality but I have been wrong before.
>>156256187>we would have no movie at allI will now pledge my life and undying support to the CCP.
>>156256679clayface made a profit you dumb fuck
>>156256682Sad but true.May it blow up in their faces.
>>156256688>But I ate breakfast yesterday Zoomer kun, I beg you to read like anything, even moldbug will be enough for you at this point
>>156256707https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/2120284163651629179
>>156256707Production is actually really seen as a failure if the studio could make more across the same period from investing it's costs into AI stocks instead. So anything less than 110% profit for a production year is literally unironically counted as loss - it has to print at least that much back in order to just get out of red, not even get into good profit.
>>156256766>LOOK AT WHAT THIS RANDOM TWITTER USER SAID
>>156256749no need to be upset anon, i was just sharing some historical trivia.
>>156256682>Remember the tomorrow verse?i do , did you know the people in charge got told you only have 10 movies to build up for coiehttps://www.ign.com/articles/tomorrowverse-creators-reveal-the-arc-was-always-planned-for-10-films
>>156256791>DiscussingFilm
>>156256791Anon could have just directly linked to the Variety article but social media causes brain rot.
What they needed was to put Gunn on a leash not send him to the farm
>>156256195Ngnl blue and white are amazing colours
>>156256638Don't call it a reboot, call it a Rebirth.
People are mad that James Gunn got punished for dicking around for 4 years. Now they're "worried" that these new movies won't be any good despite asking for them
>>156256042> Even if a film makes money it's still not good enough because it's not eye watering moneyFilm executives saw Obsession and Backrooms pull off something amazing. Both films made 500 million and 400 million on a budget of 750k and 10 million. Any executive would want to fire someone that made a 44 million dollar film that only made 109 million. Clayface just came out in the worst year possible that made it look shit in comparison.
>>156257085Bro no one I know asked for Creature Commandos...Not even here does anyone talk about these jobbers...
>>156257150No i mean people wanted a Justice League movie but because Jimmy isn't at the helm, they say it'll be bad
>>156256435>The only way DC gets what they want ie money is spamming one batman movie and one superman movie every yearAnd they could do the Monsterverse approach, just say fuck it and make nothing but team up movies the moment a solo one flops
>>156256952variety's a gossip rag anyway
>>156257085dc is getting soft or hard rebooted AGAIN, which is a huge red flag for qualitybut yes the reeves situation and doing things like gorilla grodd didn't help things
>>156257085They hired a literal "normal common denominator" producer guy as "mastermind" of an interconnected universe with the explicit purpose of making hits. Not sure why you expect people to get excited over the future prospects of DC movies. Honestly, Feige is like the only one of his kind, people always suggest creatives, but Feige works precisely because he's not a writer or director so he can step back and let directors do their thing instead of try to backseat direct everything like Gunn was trying to. Just do normal movies and connect them if it works afterwards, no need to plan everything out.
>>156256356Gacha game devs are unironically the some of the most adaptable in the industry. They have to consistently feel the pulse of their audience or else they go under.
>>156257247Feige didn't have any pressure at all, dude was just producing independent movies that had good stories beneath them (except for Thor) By the time Avengers came out, people were invested in the individual characters enough to want to go see a team up movie...He had a lot going for him in that time period as well....The success of Nolan's TDK had made superhero movies mainstream films again, also Tumblr still existed. Now that I think about it, the internet was a completely different place to what it is now back then. People were a lot more optimistic....
>>156255985Once the Christian DCU fails, I'm hoping the next reboot will go full gay.
I hope people can see the comparison between hero shooters and cape shit Hell rivals is the best case study for this When it was released it was celebrated by everyone because of the "everyone is here" but once you do that gimmick once people don't bother after
>>156257322Comics were meant to be consumed by kids, families, and to be generally wholesome and inspiring, not leftist pessimistic vulgar slop
>>156257352dc is literally the company that changed that
>>156257247>let directors do their thing instead of try to backseat direct everything like Gunn was trying to.Isn't it the opposite? Gunn generally lets his creatives do whatever they want (which is why we got a realistic grounded Lanterns show in the same universe as Guy Gardner or a Clayface horror movie). Feige struggled with producing a basic Blade movie and meddled the fuck out of Multiverse of Madness despite promoting it as Marvel's first horror film.
>>156257247I'm just less happy that i won't have to see naked cocks and subplots about cuckoldry
>>156256063gunn was never the problem and snyder wasn't the problem eitherit's always the parent company that's at faultthey wanted a multiverse and didn't have a unified idea or plan of what they wantedthey should've started with superman then batman then wonder woman maybe introduce the other league members in those movies then have their cross over movie
>>156257352Sounds gay as hell, man.
>>156256356>Even gacha games understand when a formula is no longer viable pic unrelated?that game has been on a downward spiral ever since 2.X ended and they keep making the same mistake of not making the characters they kept showing in the trailers playable over and over again
>>156257441Shut up man, I'm trying to spread elation
>>156257371Watchmen movie bombed which is an indication that one shouldn't try to make $200 million production budget films like this.
James Gunn turned DC into an ode to himself
>>156255985>2031I imagine WB-Skydance-Paramount will be chopped up and sold to the highest bidder by then
>>156257322Gays already have their own stuff to consume, they went all-in on tumblr indie cartoons, they don't really want (or need) the mainstream superhero shit.
>>156257247Feige greenlit a bunch of goyslop nobody watched like Agatha, Eternals, Ironfart, Echo, Wonder Man, Ms Marvel/The Marvels etc more so than Gunn and failed to get a Blade movie off the ground out of all of it The only thing I will give him is he acts his age and doesnt waste time fighting fans on Twitter but hes definitely not a great mastermind or at least now, Doomsday is so obviously just throwing shit at the wall
>>156256063>>156257411Pretty much this.Snyder at least had a vision, but they panicked because it wasn't making Marvel money so they got Whedon and the tesult fucking sucked.Then they thought "Gunn is a Marvek guy, let's get Gunn" and were shocked he didn't wanna do Marvel over again and had different ideas.But hey, now we're getting a THIRD Marvel guy! Surely THIS time they'll have faith and not blow it all up in less than five years!
>>156257553Snyder had a vision but it was very divisive, I personally HATED Man of Steel and his vision years before execs and Josstice League happenedGunn was absolutely repeating his Marvel work, every project he made was Guardians of the Galaxy either by spotlighting literally whos or making a "ragtag group" movie. Clayface is the only exception and that was a free script donated by Mike Flanagan and unrelated to any "vision" Gunn had.
>>156257547>hes definitely not a great mastermind or at least now, Doomsday is so obviously just throwing shit at the wallAnd that was a very quick replacement of Kang, a villain no one was enthused about, because the actor couldn't behave himself.
>>156257247The problem is that putting Gunn in charge of which films get greenlit means that he's only going to pick which films he personally likes and wants to get made. He greenlit Creature Commandos because he thought they were sick enough that he might try to recreate that same bottled lightning that GOTG had. Oops.You see the guy on Threads and he's openly discussing his influences and it ranges from Peter Milligan's LSD trip-induced Shade, to the glossy shine of Wonder Woman Historia. From Tom King slop and Moore's leftover capeshit like The Killing Joke and Watchmen to Silver Age Superman shenanigans. It's so disjointed and disconnected from one another that in an effort to try and adapt the tone for each comic's genre, it felt less and less like they actually exist in the same world and it didn't help when there was no broader plotline or narrative that tied them all together. Even with the MCU's slate culminating with Thanos as the big bad, their movies were still divided into phases because they were just that well organized.That's the problem that's plagued both Snyder and Gunn; none of these retards know how to properly set up the overarching storyline and properly pace them. They were all just manchildren smashing action figures together because they thought it was the coolest shit they've ever seen.Snyder thought Batman fighting Superman and having Wonder Woman debut in the same flick that's been layered with lazy and vague allusions to Christian eschatology would've given him Oscars on top of being worshipped by dorks glazing him for giving them superhero fights. Gunn believes that he's some visionary for putting characters no one cares about into major onscreen roles in big movies such as Metamorpho, the Creature Commandos, Suicide Squad, and fucking Clayface. These are characters you introduce when you're like 10 to 12 films deep into your cinematic universe after properly setting up the major players; not the third or fourth fucking movie.
>>156257703Absolutely true. But on Creature Commandos, I believe the inertia for it had begun before Gunn was appointed studio head. He had already done Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, and was starting work on Creature Commandos when he was appointed. The problem is, he played favorites and didn't decanonize any of the shit he had just made, but did decanonize everyone else's, leading to the disjointed mess universe we got. And then he kept going with his pet C-listers and actor "friends" rather than making a real vision.The guy did an hour podcast last week about "Is the Suicide Squad Canon?" where he chatted with his wife and shrugged and laughed about how clueless he was. What a fucking disaster
>>156257553>Surely THIS time they'll have faith and not blow it all up in less than five years!This is what really kills me. We'll be stuck in origin story hell FOREVER as they keep rebooting shit.
>>156256042I mean, I hate Zionists like the Ellisons and hate that they own characters I love, but I don’t think saying it did respectable is an insult. I really liked Clayface and I think that’s a fair reading of the box office: A minor financial success that had some good buzz. I’m just glad the movie exists as I like body horror movies and was happy to see it was released in October.
>>156257703I think the problem runs deeper than that.The MCU worked for as long as it did because for all intents and purposes, Tony was the main character. The MCU isn't REALLY a bunch of movies in a shared universe, they're more like big-budget extended episodes of a long-running TV show, and every long-running TV show with a big cast needs a main character to revolve around.Snyder and Gunn both started their DC movies with Superman but went to two different extremes way too quickly (introducing and killing Zod + destroying Metropolis vs throwing us into the middle of an established Superman) and didn't commit to establishing Superman as the main character. And I know it's gonna sound pretty weird coming from a big Superman fan but you can't really make Superman into the "main character" the way the MCU did Tony. He's too easy to screw up. Makes more sense to use Batman.
>>156257934Batman is easier to screw up, Superman is very easy to get right but these 2 bozos just couldn't do it because they are married to their stylizations of 300 and GOTG that they can't pivot in any way from that. Smallville, which had D-tier actors, got Superman right...How can you, with millions of dollars, not replicate that?
you think they'll realize that the capeshit wave is over and they missed the moment? It's all about vidya now, which ironically DC/WB suck at too outside of batman
>>156256042I cant wait until the apocalypse and these corporate demons will suffer lmao, none of their money can save them from fate
