Well, how do you feel about it? Personally, I love it. Probably biased, because I’m just a huge fan of Brainwave Jr. So, I’m curious to see what /co/ thinks.
>>156258636I liked it. Obsidian is cool
>>156258636I like it and most of the characters well enough, but overall the book is frustrating because (1) DC pulled the rug out from underneath Roy halfway through with COIE and you can tell he was upset about it, and (2) there were a lot of decent ideas in the character creations but Roy really needed a younger cowriter instead of his wife and needed to make the book more character oriented if he wasn't going to do big bombastic plots like X-Men or NTT.
>>156258749Expanding on the second pointMost of them had so much potential to have more complex characterizations and relationships but Roy either wouldn't do it or would barely scrape the surface. Like Todd and Hector were clearly meant to be juxtaposed (poor vs rich, more liberal vs more conservative, powers vs no powers, insecure vs arrogant, no bitches vs has bitch, shadow powers vs solar energy, yet both angry as hell all the time, poor relationship with father, a lot of the team were fed up with them) but other than characters making some comments and them bitching at each other Roy didn't DO anything with it. Todd and Hector were the kind of relationship you'd dedicate an issue to juxtaposing them/having heart to heart a la Loeb's Superman/Batman.And there was something clearly there beyond Roy's incest subtext about Todd being so overprotective of Jennie when he had a little brother that was taken away from him (and in general you think he would expand upon Alan not really liking him, Todd knowing it, and the dynamic of one of Todd's parents not liking him him in favor of his sibling repeating AGAIN).Characters should've reacted to what Hank did to Lyta (especially Jennie considering Todd was proven right about him).If Helix/Bones was going to stay important in the book, then more should've been done with Yolanda's connection to them instead of her character being just having her flirt with Al after the Carcharo issue was done. Etc.
>>156258694He is super cool. Love him.
>>156258636I wish DC would put out a trade paperback. I'd love to read it and All Star Squadron
>>156258789I think those are for sure the biggest missed opportunities within the series. The characters had so many contrasts and interesting dynamic possibilities to be played around with, which could’ve made the book overall just much more fun with interpersonal tensions etc.. Todd & Hector: their similarities / parallels and direct differences could’ve practically written up some drama on their own. They could’ve been better foils. Given Todd’s history with his younger brother, his dynamic with Jennie could’ve been so much more interesting. Hank’s treatment of Lyta 100% should’ve had more impact on the team’s dynamics as a whole. (Yknow, especially considering the way Todd reacted to him at first.) Ultimately, the downfall of the series was the fact it didn’t explore interpersonal dynamics. I wish Roy would’ve been more interested in developing those, he couldn’t have written it if the material smacked him in the face. (Which, it did.)
>>156258833He deserves all the love
>>156258839Me too… I would say it’s a missed opportunity but I don’t think it has a big enough demand. Like, I don’t think DC fans who only care for reading Wayne Family Adventures would be interested in buying it. Which.. is what DC appeals to currently.
>>156258918Just look at him! I wonder how anyone could ever hate him.
>>156258694>>156258963Good taste, Todd’s the best boy of all time.Al is a close second though if we’re only counting Infinity Inc/JSA boys.
>>156258636Some of the worst outfits in a superhero team desu.Jade, Obsidian, and Fury's were the only decent ones.Outsiders is the only 80s team with worse outfits than them.
>>156258636Finest soon hopefully
>>156258749>>156258789Great points, and it's a shame that no one at DC seems interested in taking another swing at the team (and even if someone did, the team is so niche I doubt the book would last a year).And yeah, Atom Smasher, North Wind, and Brainwave Jr. had dogshit costumes. Same with Hourman and Dr. Mid-Nite.
>>156258636It wasn’t anything special and in the beginning it especially suffers from having so many characters you don’t care about at all
>>156259224Lemire's JSA was half Infinity Inc. And it sucked so I'm afraid that the next title will end up dumping all Infinitors other than maybe Jade, Obsidian, and Atom Smasher.
>>156259224>and Brainwave Jr.
>>156258963He has auch great style!>>156258982Is this real?
>Jade got character assassinated, depowered and turned into Kyle's cocksleeve, got character assassinated even more and turned into a cheating slut, then killed>Obsidian went crazy or got controlled like 3 or 4 times and got turned into an egg, and that's after getting depressed and trying to literally kill himself in JLA only to find out he can't die>Hector's whole continuity ordeal and Gaiman treating him like garbage for some reason>Lyta's whole continuity ordeal and Gaiman treating him like garbage for some reason and gets replaced by King's OC while DC doesn't want to even acknowledge you ever existed>Brainwave Jr also went crazy and evil a couple times due to his powers and an evil caterpillar>Northwind turned into a bird monster who can't even speak >Atom Smasher's mom died so he sided and went gay with Black Adam and basically became a war criminal>Rick got super not-cancer and was overall a fucking looney in the Hourman title>Yolanda and Beth died in the 90s and were basically completely forgotten except for Ted and Yolanda’s cousin mentioning Yolanda. Nobody cared about Beth though>The fact that Al was the only one not ever treated like shit and instead was treated with some dignity, even if he did become a fucking war criminal>the fact that Rick, Todd, and Jennie were the only ones to bounce back even just a little bit from all of it>it took a TV show for Beth and Yolanda to come back to lifeWhy does DC hate Infinity Inc?
>>156259116>>156259224The Nuklon outfit is just fine. The kirby crackles are cool. It's just his mohawk sucks and they should've given him a normal haircut instead.Now Dr Midnight and Hourman THOSE are some shitty outfits.
>>156258636>>156259865One of the first DC comics I've read. Loved it. Had a crush on Jade. But since DC was barely published in my country, I didn't know what happened post Crisis. Checking years later, Brainwave was evil and/or crazy, and half of the characters were dead. I realized that DC treated C listers like Marvel does, maybe even worse, and stopped caring.Still, I recently tried to re-read it and while I like a writer who is a continuity nerd, Thomas is way too heavy with EXPOSITION. It's too long and doesn't feel natural at all, it's like characters are reading a guide book out loud.
>>156260726>, Thomas is way too heavy with EXPOSITION. It's too long and doesn't feel natural at all,That's why he needed a younger cowriterThomas was still writing like it was the 60s and 70s when by the time Infinity Inc was coming out there were some comics moving away from doing that
I still don't know why they changed Nuklon's powers from density shifting to size-shiftingSomehow it felt like he became weaker when he became a guy who can grow big
>>156261323Partway through Infinity Inc they added being able to grow to his powerset in addition to the density changing and super strength but I don't know why JLA and JSA ignored the density changing completely.
>>156259224They’re pretty much the JSA these days.
>Obsidian goes inside Brainwave Jr >saves him unlike two seconds after Jr's girlfriend Jade couldn’t>bi flag colors in the backgroundWhat did Roy Thomas mean by this?
Even in 1983, these characters being the young heirs of WWII veterans in the floating "present day" didn't make sense. They all skipped the Baby Boom, then half a dozen or so reproduced later?Infinity Inc could have been a 1968 period piece.
Geoff Johns looked at the JSA members without Infinity Inc counterparts and created Judy Garrick, Wiz Kid and Salem the Witch Girl so he could get royalties.
>>156258636Adding Jesse and Sandy was neatHaving them take over for the missing old guard
>>156261822Based
>>156262509Still needed Atom Smasher there with them.
