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>>11487869
i miss her

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>>11487880
I think Esdeath might be the number 1 dominatrix in anime
I can't think of anyone more sadistic than her

Is femdom dying? Sometimes I ask myself if the fetish is symbol-motif of projection of 1980s corporate bootlicking.

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>>11487891
OG Nagatoro is very sadistic. It's a shame they turned her into a vanilla character in the anime and manga.
>>11487894
I don't think it is dying, but other "sub-fetishes" related to femdom are becoming more popular. It's funny because there are several threads related to femdom on this board (SPH, matriarchy, giantess, etc) but there wasn't a thread just for femdom in general here.

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>>11488397
Blue hair girls love pegging

>>11487862
You guys like having things shoved up your butt? More like "gay thread" than "femdom thread" amirite??? :D

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>>11487861
>this board is missing a femdom thread
Because they usually turn out horrible. "Gentle" femdom fans consistantly prove they cannot coexist with people who like things that they do not like and will shit up a thread anytime they see a crop or handcuffs or even a strapon.

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>>11488469
>canon femdomme
camilla is a purple girl though

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>>11488475
It's not gay if it's with women

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>>11488544
it's not unsurprising that people would seek out more specific topic threads. i like pegging but i don't actually want to see cbt and feet do nothing for me. even vore is split into subtypes. plus there are certain recurring debates that all suck:
- do dominant women exist? how many? does anon somehow know this based on his degree in psychology from Google University?
- are professional dommes ok or are they predators or carpetbaggers or whores?
- is this gay? is that gay? are you gay? is the gay in the room with us right now?
- is it real femdom? are you a real sub? do you have a loicense for that collar?
- are the men in this porn too feminine? too youthful? too ugly?
- is femdom a terminal mind virus or is it just how some people are? is it caused by tRaUmAaAa?
- is anon phrasing these questions in a leading way? should i respond to the question seriously instead of getting the message that it is a stupid discussion best avoided?

anyway i think that, as a "culture", it's a damn shame that we apparently don't produce any art of significant interest beyond simple pornography. when femdom shows up in media (rare) it usually seems like it's making some kind of political point or being played for laughs and it lacks any interesting romantic character, and i think that's basically because the artist/writer doesn't actually like femdom.

some of you fuckers probably have a story or a song or something inside you. make something beautiful. or at least try.
"Without art we would be nothing but foreground and live entirely in the spell of that perspective which makes what is closest at hand and most vulgar appear as if it were vast, and reality itself."

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>>11488706
>Camilla will never lock you in her sex dungeon
why live?

>>11488706
my ai slopping bucket list expands. i want to do ivy x voldo too.

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>>11488735
I wonder what really happens in her dungeons

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>>11488469
scientifically proven and peer reviewed fact

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>>11488706
purple girls are the strongest doms tho

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>>11488735
Hoshido tomboys are so lucky

>>11488747
Tatsumi should be thankful that Esdeath isn't using one of her strapons designed for punishment

>>11488779
how do those look like?!

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>>11488749
and the most sadistic

>>11488798
Spikes for days.

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>blue haired girls
>purple haired girls
consider red haired girls

>>11488723
High brow forms of femdom, I can’t really think of any… maybe DH Lawrence or the French (de Sade, bataille), barely, they destabilized patriarchy more than advocate femdom outright. Most into the fetish seem to be losers with low self esteem or are coping with being emotionally worthless through the validation they believe femdom provides them (for a price). Unfortunately positive examples of healthy matriarchy seem nonexistent, the most potent myth we get is a death goddess which gets tied to fertility rites. But power dynamics leaning in the woman’s favor already exists in vanilla relationships, the femdom fetish just seems more like putting on costumes and getting endorphins from sadomasochism

The people who are into this, do they like it only in 2D, or are they into the dynamics for real? Is it possible to tell you are into this, like differentiate you from people with anxious attachment who defer because of insecurity, or from people pleasers who try to avoid conflicts?

>>11489058
Why wouldn't I like it irl?

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>>11489058
I like it irl but only if she looks like this.

>>11489058
The most common stable examples I recall are some old Reddit stories (pre ai, at least) like “wifey married for 10 years and we spiced it up in the bedroom I wasn’t into it before but now I’m in chastity for 2 more weeks:):)”
I think it’s obscure by design b/ shaming men for it is really easy, so is being a proud submissive man

>>11489058
I'm in a relationship involving femdom-ish activities. Nothing too hardcore, no pegging, no cuckolding, no chastity cages or such but my girl likes to keep me on leash on lazy Sunday evenings, or makes me I worship her legs (I'm not footfag tho) or so.
She also likes to spit in my mouth (and I love that too) and sometimes when for example we are watching a movie and she wants to smoke but left ashtray in the kitchen, she casually tells me to open mouth and stick tongue out so she can use me as her ashtray.
While we don't do chastity cages, she does some tease and denial play. Sometimes likes to edge me and then we go to sleep with my horny dick in her hand or also sometimes she just ask me finger her while my dick leaks precum like crazy. Sometimes she cuffs me to bed and gives slow edging blowjobs with multiple ruined orgasms until I beg her to stop.

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>>11488921
red girls are EVIL

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>>11489058
i like it irl but women don't like it, so it's just a fantasy.
>>11489117
>no cuckolding
isn't cuckoldry the opposite of femdom?
>She also likes to spit in my mouth
that's really hot

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>>11489058
I started out fapping to 3D pig disgusting, because that was the material available to me during the early days. Of course I still do, but hentai, when done right, is the highest form of femdom art/porn. As for "real"... Not all of us made it, bro. I've yet to have a single session/encounter with the real deal. At this point I'm fairly certain it will never happen.

No, looking at me on the outside, you're not gonna be able to see or tell that I'm into this, unless I specifically go out of my way to out myself. Which I've yet to do. I don't like to advertise. Could get me into too much hot water. Not all of us live in the liberal parts of the world.

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>>11489257
not all of them

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>>11489422
chainsaw man if it was good

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>>11489422
Love mamakima femdom

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>>11489684
how can a character be so hot

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>>11489694
She was made by a femdom fag to represent control

>>11489696
Not anymore. It was all just a dream.

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>>11489696
She ruined a generation of men

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>>11489803
Esdeath and Satsuki ruined me

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>>11489914
Esdeath is so iconic. Best evil woman of that decade surely.

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>>11489959
lucky boy

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>>11490159
hot art, shame everything else by this artist is nigger cuck shit

>>11489959
>evil
She is very nice towards her team, I think she genuinely cares if she considers you "her" person.

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For me its wrestling

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>>11490998
I’d kill to wrestle a girl with big tits

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>>11492897
giwtwm

>>11487894
Why would it need to be a fetish when all of society is femdom (and it sucks)

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>>11493317
elaborate

If there is more than one domme then the dommes should kiss each other and show the males that girls are better lovers.

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>>11495822
would this feel good irl?

>>11496755
It depends on how conditioned the person is to cumming like that
If he isn't at all, then it won't feel like much of anything. You have to deprive yourself of orgasm and fapping for a while to feel something like that

also if you have a large dick, what is probably going to happen is your dick will push the cage forward and get a semi chub, the ring will stretch and squeeze your balls it is kind of unsightly, and realistically, if your cock is very soft, you can push a finger down from the top of the device, and dig your cock out of the cage by first pushing it into your body and then up. Chastity cage is a meme. can't get it off your balls though that ring is too tight

>>11496755
>>11497027 is NOT correct when they say "It depends on how conditioned the person is to cumming like that If he isn't at all, then it won't feel like much of anything," at least in terms of powerful vibrators. Maybe with a weak vibrator, sure. You're absolutely going to fucking feel it with a powerful vibrator, though. It can make you cum quite quickly, in fact, even if you just orgasmed the day before.

>>11497067
Geez anon have you ever considered that I just didn't want it as much now you've outed me as a lazy sub

>>11496158
This plus cbt is great

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I wrote a 2 chapter CBT story about a super tall and anti-social girl finding new joy in ballbusting. Inspired by a norse myth where Loki had to make an angry giantess smile. Would love to hear what anyone thinks

https://archiveofourown.org/works/79637526/chapters/208967496

>>11493831
Sauce?

>>11493836
Source? Yandex and SauceNAO aren't helping

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I bet this is canon

>>11487894
yes

>>11502490
Oh hey, hadn't realized you posted a second chapter because of the new account. I'll give it a read when I get home

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>>11505182
Right, so you call the busting cartoonish but I think the creative techniques Sadie uses is what I like most about the second chapter. Personally I can take or leave the focus on Luke's psyche and trauma, just not my cup, but it creates a fun contrast between the scenes with Sadie and without. They really drive home the difference between her flowery speech and his more mundane diction.
I would've maybe liked more of her initial curiosity and inexperience still showing. There's some coming through at the end, but it mostly feels like she's now a proficient sadist. Maybe that's just because it's been a while since I read the first chapter though.

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>>11505326
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I figured shifting Luke into the protagonist role might have been seen as a bit of a downgrade. Glad you liked the actual ball-busting.

>>11489058
Me and my gf sometimes do stuff that's femdom-adjacent. She'll frequently play with my ass and use dildos on me, sometimes she'll sit on my face and rarely she'll do stuff like ordering me around on when/where to cum.
I guess in another life I could potentially engage in actual femdom, maybe even extreme stuff, but it would have to be with a short-term partner.

>Is it possible to tell you are into this
I mean once we're in bed I 100% prioritize her pleasure, does that count? Also in everyday life I'm relatively chill/non aggressive, though not a pushover

>>11505331
It's worth pointing out that's really just my personal view, I know people that love a male pov and go feral for the psychological aspects of the fetish

>>11505577
>but it would have to be with a short-term partner.

Why? It sounds like you guys already enjoy this, you could explore more and not necessarily stop doing vanilla stuff either

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I love it when girls push stuff inside my body

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>>11490152
Sauce ?

>>11509108
god i need that NOW AND PERMANENTLY

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>>11509108
Don't we all...

>>11487894
Nah, it's becoming vanilla. "Dommy mommy" is now a common phrase even in normie spaces.

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RIP Esdeath

>>11507385
>you could explore more and not necessarily stop doing vanilla stuff either
Well, first of all it's not that trivial. There are only so many hours in a day, and human funny bits require pauses between uses. That's to say, at some point doing more kinky stuff does mean that you're gonna have less normal sex, at least to an extent. Which is not entirely worth it imo.
Also honestly there are things that are hot in theory, but not as much in practice. For example I'm not into any kind of roleplaying or acting in general while in the bedroom. Just doesn't do it for me, feels very insincere and awkward. If my gf had to be all domme on me, she'd have to put on an act. I know her. I know she's not like that, she's got another kind of energy. It wouldn't be fun. So the idea of a very dominant woman ordering me around and being mean to me may be hot, but I know that my girl is not like that. She can turn a bit dominant sometimes and that's hot cause it feels natural. I wouldn't even want a very dominant partner who's mean to me on a regular basis, that'd be too much. Again, maybe I'd be into it for a short term thing.
Also the very extreme stuff is usually either too much of a commitment (full flr, long term chastity, pegging on a regular basis), looks somewhat physically unhealthy (chastity, large anal penetrations, CBT) or is emotionally questionable at best (humiliation, cuck and adjacent stuff). I'd grow tired of it very quickly and/or I'd be afraid to cause damage to my body or to my relationship. And don't get me wrong, some of those are things I fap to. I guess the point is I'm mostly a casual, even though I can fap to more extreme stuff.

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>>11488723
On that note...
The thing I was asking about some four years ago finally went live:
https://f95zone.to/threads/no-lily-without-a-thorn-prologue-v0-1-zoran89.297510/

The story has changed quite a bit from the original concept, and I have no idea if you will find it worth your time, especially since it doesn't have any H-Scenes yet, but...
Feel free to check it out and tell me how shitty my writing is. I might even read it and take it to heart :P

>>11487894
No, but it gets attached to other fetishes. For example ass worship.
Femdom itself is more popular than ever

>>11510102
dominant women don't exist doe =/

>>11510140
They do. I've been a sub for one.
Do 100% dominant women exist? I don't think so. They *all* have at least a little of that cavewoman instinct to be dominated in them.
Do women exist who are more dominant than submissive? Absolutely, although they are rare.

>>11510140
They're just scarce, and they've always been. Probably less than 10%. Add in cultural pressure to stop seeking out such behaviors and you get a lot of those repressed as hell and only a few actually willing to engage.

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>>11509975
Do you think she ever lets Tatsumi have normal sex or does she always wear the full dominatrix outfit armed with a whip and a strap on and just destroy him every time

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Any femdom literature recommendations?

What happened to kemono.cr? No updates for the artist I follow in months.

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>>11487861
AI generated ill post it here.

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I wish I was him

>>11489260
>isn't cuckoldry the opposite of femdom?
Agreed. I could sort of understand the association if the woman were to dominate another man (or woman), but from what I've seen, such situations usually involve her and a "manly man" type having sex with conventional, if not maledom, dynamics, often even with her saying that the submissive guy could never satisfy her the way a "real man" could and such. The vast majority of NTR goes against the spirit of femdom, since it portrays the traditionally masculine, dominant third party as more desirable.

>>11511533
I think cuckoldry can work for femdom as long as it is the lesbian kind and the domme is either lesbian or realizes that women are superior lovers or there are two or more dommes and they make out with each other.

Hey guys, what's wrong with me? Why do I like this?

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>>11516237
Why would there be anything wrong ?

>>11516379
Awesome picture.

>>11516237
Possibly lack of a strong male role model in early life

>>11510006
This is kind of why dominant women seem to not exist. Femdom is imagined in relation to male insecurities rather than female desires.
My girlfriend is as dominant as I'd ever want and she's basically a normal girl outside the bedroom. She's basically in control in bed but that still means I'm on top sometimes so she can relax and take a break. Cunnilingus and cowgirl happen way more often than pegging because it's more stimulating to her and you don't have to change the bedsheets afterwards. Usually I'm moaning in pleasure and not begging her to stop because it's a romantic relationship and not a rape scene (though she does apparently like it when I try to get away after she has me pinned lol).
And yes it helps that I tend to fold like a napkin when she's even a little forceful. But that was my whole problem in the first place. If I didn't like being submissive so much I wouldn't have been so determined to find a femdom relationship to the exclusion of any other possibility. She doesn't have to hurt me to make me obey her. I already want to.

Everyone knows that sex in real life is less extreme than porn but for some reason the femdom community (for want of a better term) can't imagine that real life femdom could be less intense than femdom porn. Although for the most part, we only exist as a community to share pornography.

I wish there was more femdom hentai where the man is forced to swallow his own cum or other mens. It doesnt have a tag on hentai websites so it can be so annoying to find

>>11517037
I've had extreme things done to me irl. In relationships and at parties. There are genuinely sadistic women out there and even more vanilla ones tend to develop a taste for this stuff if you introduce it slowly. Or maybe I'm just lucky.

>>11517186
Would you mind providing us with some examples?

>>11517800
of stuff I've done? standard femdom stuff i guess. pegging, chastity, being whipped/flogged etc. parties are the same but with people watching. like at the last one a dom asked if i wanted to do positions training. she taught me how to hold certain positions and would punish me for messing. she brought a bunch of whips and paddles etc in a duffel bag. i had bruises for a weeks. i spent the rest of the night bringing her drinks and stuff. it was fun, probably going to see her again soon.

>>11488707
Facts

>>11509932
Yeah but women still don't top and peg much

>>11510229
Every single time

gentle, affectionate femdom
OR
cruel, inconsiderate, femdom?

>>11522713
both?

Anons yesterday my fiancée pegged me for the first time. It was fucking magical. Felt her push the dildo all the way inside me and her crotch pressed against my butt as she gave it to me as deep as she could. Ghh so fucking hot. She hinted that maybe we'll do it again today.

>>11522748
make sure she's getting something out of it

>>11522748
Beg her to size up after she ties you up

>>11522753
Of course anon. Playing with my ass is her fetish as much as it is mine. She gets super wet from it and I obviously take care of her after.

>>11522794
Meh tying up isn't really our thing, but the size up is definitely happening. Yesterday she started with our small dildo (4ish inches and very thin, but firm) the n she tried to move to our larger one (8" and mid thickness), but it was too bendy so she couldn't use it properly, so we went back to the small one. She mentioned she wants to get the larger sizes of our small one so she can fuck me with something larger, but in the meantime we'll stick to the small one and get comfortable with different positions.

>>11523038
You're missing out

>>11523038
Brother if you ain't cum will tied you've never tried

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>>11522713
cruel, affectionate femdom

>>11523500
based

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>>11491901
holy fuck is this so much to ask for?

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>>11523500
Good taste.

Guys, I need help on getting the name.
I only saw like 4 or 5 pages some years back, the story went: a normal guy had some SM sessions with an S girl, he starts having feelings for her and he is planning to confess, then the S girl brings another girl to his sessions, the guy and the new girl both complain that they want her exclusively for them, then the domme ask the new girl to peg the guy or she won't do anything for her anymore, same for the guy. They reluctantly agree, but when she is pegging him she says that the new girl will be his new master because she is no longer enjoying doing it with him anymore, the new girl was also kind of enjoying it.

And that's all I remember. I fucking regret not saving those pages. The format looked like a long strip Korean webcomic.
Anyone knows?

>>11525142
I think Sadistic Beauty had a scene like that somewhere in the story.

>>11525142
This?
https://nhentai.net/g/94126/

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>>11524410
Need them to do mean things to my balls while im locked up...

>>11489058
IRL I'm only in the very soft stuff: ie girl leading, some mild orgasm control and spanking my ass, MAYBE put a small dildo in my ass someday.

>>11489058
The wife and I play on and off. We both like to switch but over they years the dynamic changed more towards Femdom and me just giving her a good and hard dicking when she fancies being topped. Nothing too wild in terms of Femdom though. A bit of chastity play, occasionally some pegging and some BDSM. We recently shifted more towards worship and services, which strangely enough put her appetite for CBT into overdrive. Not that I‘m complaining.

Am I insane or a lot of Onaka Emi's works gone from the usual places?

>>11517813
Where do you find these?

Can anyone here recommend a set of bondage mittens? I got a ultra cheap set to try and they have instantly become my favorite piece of gear. Any that won't break the bank but made of real stiff leather and keep my hands in fists?

>>11527792
Not him. Find a local munch on Fetlife. Make friends. Do NOT attempt to find a play partner at your first munch because this will make you look like a creep. You probably shouldn't even talk about kink at your first munch unless you are asked about it. Kink talk at munches is unusual in my experience. You'll find out about parties like that through the community.

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>>11527815
Will elaborate with some copy/pasted text I posted here many years ago. Context is I went to my first munch as a broke, socially awkward motherfucker with no car and social anxiety who isn't even good looking, met my eventual domme there, and started playing with her two months after meeting her. If I can do this, so can you.
Go on Fetlife. Find a local munch. Behave like a decent human being at said munch. Don't be an asshole. Don't treat others like fantasy fulfillment vessels. Show interest in others outside of the bedroom. Get to know people well as friends outside of the bedroom. Don't be lewd and vulgar with people you just meet. Don't be an asshole. Don't be "that creepy guy." Make as many FRIENDS as you can; people of both sexes, both tops and bottoms, even if you're straight and not a switch. Keep going to munches and educational events to meet new people. If you do get to the stage with someone where you begin to discuss play, be as interested in fulfilling their kinks, if not moreso, than fulfilling your own. Relationships are give and take whether you're the dom or the sub.
Just go there with the goal of making friends, not finding someone to play with. Munches are not singles' nights and they are not to be treated as such. If you show up obviously treating the munch like a giant potential dating pool, you'll look like a creep and will probably not successfully integrate into the community.
If you just go there with the goal of making friends, everyone will be super warm and welcoming, you'll make friends, those friends will introduce you to more friends, etc., and you'll probably, over time, find someone to play with like this. Let this happen naturally and don't force it.
Don't be afraid to make friends with people much older than you. They can become valuable educational resources to you.

>>11527826
Munches are big dinners where you socialize with people. Discussion topics are typically not kink-related. They're where people go to meet other kinky people and show people they're not creeps. They are not designed to be mixers. They are not designed to be a place where you go just to find a partner to play with.
They are designed to weed out the creeps who show up and immediately start hitting on women and talking lewd.
You find a partner by introducing yourself to the community at a munch, behaving like a non-creep, making friends at the munch, then going to local events with those friends. You become a part of the community like this and THEN once the community sees for an extended period of time you're not a fucking creep, maybe you'll find a partner.
Most men in the kink scene fuck up either by being lewd/vulgar too soon, not showing any interest in others outside of kink or showing too much interest in fulfilling their own kinks and not enough in fulfiling others'.

>>11489914
this was amazing, femdom version of instant loss

>>11527829
That's pretty gay though, I don't wanna spend hours yapping pointlessly, I wanna find my dommy mommy who's gonna peg me until I crave real dick in my ass

>>11528113
>pointlessly
So making friends is pointless to you? You just want to get pegged, an activity which provides the pegger with zero physical pleasure, and that's all you care about?
Yeah, munches aren't for you. Everyone there will immediately be able to tell you're a creep.

>>11511067
Anyone...? Well, I suppose I'll start myself by naming a book I've been meaning to read, as it sounds highly interesting: Monsieur Venus.
>a novel written by the French Symbolist and Decadent writer Rachilde (née Marguerite Eymery). Initially published in 1884, it was her second novel and is considered her breakthrough work. Because of its highly erotic content, it was the subject of legal controversy and general scandal, bringing a then 20 year-old Rachilde into the public eye.
>The novel tells the story of 25 year-old French noblewoman Raoule de Vénérande and her pursuit of sexual pleasure while creating a new and more satisfying identity for herself. In order to escape the ennui and malaise of her tradition-bound upper-class existence, she must subvert and transcend social class, gender roles, and sexual morality.
>Noblewoman Raoule de Vénérande becomes bored with her life and her usual suitors. She begins a relationship with an underprivileged florist named Jacques Silvert, paying him for his favors. Through a process of escalating humiliation, she transforms her lover from a weakly androgynous figure into a feminized one.
>his unique beauty causes him to become the object of Raoule's desires, manipulations, and sexual deviancy.
Of course, this can't be considered a proper recommendation, seeing how I have yet to read it, but I still feel like some of you may enjoy it.

>>11528149
Oh, and I've also heard that the Marquis de Sade wrote some early depictions of pegging.
Bless the French; I really ought to pay their literature the attention it deserves.

>>11528120
Sorry if I wanna fast track getting pegged to anal orgasms then locked in chastity and given to a hung stud to pound my ass in daily

>>11528465
>Sorry if I wanna fast track getting HIV

>>11527826
>>11527829
What if I'm not in the US, but rather Eastern Europe...

>>11528719
Uh, check Fetlife anyways? If you're near a large city there may still be a munch there.

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Foot licking is almost exclusively a male on female sexual act but femdom is basically the only place where you'll see a girl doing it to a boy. How would you feel if your domme licked your feet?

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>>11510229
By normal sex do you mean penis in vagina? Most of the time when they have sex, Tatsumi will have to expect Esdeath in a full dominatrix outfit armed with a whip and strap-on to dominate and fuck him. So to them, the woman pegging the boy is considered normal sex. Though on occasion Esdeath doesn't feel like using the strap-on and decides to have "normal" penis in vagina sex, so she gives her submissive boy's butt a break and fucks him in the amazon position instead.

>>11527826
>>11527829
As a middle-aged Asperger's guy (Assburgers, lol) with no time left in the clock anymore to waste on other people's empty-headed, inane bullshit... this is too much to ask. I literally cannot pretend to be interested in useless, empty normie banter and topics that are completely devoid of substance, like for example periods (yes, the boy's periods too) and what sort of a goddess and spirituality does one's periods represent in you. I literally do not and cannot give a shit about empty chatter like that, and I would not be able to hide it either.

Labeling me as a "creep", and just throwing that title around completely nilly willy for showing genuine interest towards this particular topic tells me who the real assholes are. Such typical normie bullshit, trying to force their own standards on other people. Much less to somebody who is already at a disadvantage because of a neurological handicap.

>>11528773
The guy you're replying to here.
We had a literal diagnosed aspie in our community. He was treated well. You'll find the kink community is very accommodating to those with disabilities.
If you don't tell people you're an aspie, they may naturally just assume you're a creep.
If you tell people you're an aspie, though, I'm sure they'll be far more tolerant of your "non-standard" behavior.
Munches are designed to weed out creeps because:
>there are a lot of dominant creeps who are actual predators looking to exploit and literally abuse and harm subs
>there are a lot of subs who don't actually give a shit about dom(me)s' needs and just view them as fantasy enactment machines, and obviously no dom(me) wants a sub like that
If you are not either of the two above things and you simply tell people you're an aspie and ask them to be understanding and patient with you, you'll find you'll be welcomed with open arms.

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>>11528113
>I wanna find my dommy mommy who's gonna peg me until I crave real dick in my ass
I mean I think that the real problem that so many guys have in femdom dating is hiding in this sentence. The problem isn't men who want sex, per se, but men who think that getting sex is going to magically transform them into a different person. In this case, to become gay, but the same logic tends to show up somewhere else. As a guy who's been pegged regularly for thirteen years: it doesn't work that way. You still have to basically live in reality. At some point I had to accept that no matter how many times she makes me scream at the top of my lungs and beg for mercy, doing the dishes is still going to feel like doing the dishes, and I have to be a functioning human being when I'm not horny in order for this relationship to work.

By all means, fantasize about a magical woman who will solve all of your problems. But adults aren't supposed to believe in magic.

>>11528773
>>11528788
Also, you may be surprised and find yourself meeting someone you can genuinely be friends with and have shared non-kink interests with at a munch.
I ended up befriending that aspie and hanging out with him several times. We played vidya a bunch. We used to talk a lot about vidya and anime.
He was pretty awkward, like, he'd randomly bring up nerdy shit in conversations with strangers who clearly had no interest in it, but he was still treated pretty well by the community because everyone understood he had a disability.
He also managed to get himself a GF at one point. So I'm saying you can do it too if you try.

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>>11528788
Maybe it's different in the more liberal parts of North America with their vastly different culture, but out here, sharing that you're an Aspie gets you ridiculed. It's literal school yard bully shit. I've seen women here spew venom towards anyone with neuropsychiatric disorders. I'm a member on a local discussion forum. All of my interests have been ridiculed, most recently my efforts to express myself via AI. Apparently I committed some sort of grave blasphemy.

>>11528788
>there are a lot of subs who don't actually give a shit about dom(me)s' needs and just view them as fantasy enactment machines, and obviously no dom(me) wants a sub like that

Why don't dommes speak more openly about their candy shopping lists? I'm not clairvoyant. If she presents an interesting case, I'd probably be all over that shit.

>>11528806
>Maybe it's different in the more liberal parts of North America
This all happened in a red county bro.
>most recently my efforts to express myself via AI
Yeah, a lot of people have a really crazy strong, visceral, irrational hatred of AI because they do not understand it. You need to understand that the subject of AI right now is as sensitive as the subject of Donald Trump is in society. A lot of people literally want everyone pro-AI to literally die. It's because they don't understand it. They don't understand that Transformers architecture LLMs are not going to take everyone's jobs and are not going to turn into Skynet because they are literally incapable of logical thought. They don't understand that Transformers architecture LLMs are already plateauing in capability despite the lies from AI companies intended to provoke investment. They don't understand that generative AI has legitimate artistic uses as simply one tool out of many that a legitimate artist can use to produce legitimate art. They don't understand the difference between clicking "generate," saving the result and posting it online, saying HEY LOOK THIS IS ART, and clicking "generate," then spending hours of manual human effort and creativity modifying and refining what was generated. They don't understand the difference between clicking "generate" saving the result and posting it online, saying HEY LOOK THIS IS ARTISTIC MUSIC, and clicking "generate" getting ideas from the result, modifying those ideas and creating your own music by doing so.
People hate AI because they don't understand it, and people hate AI because people flood the internet with low-quality slop instead of learning how to refine initial outputs in order to produce things of actual quality and value.

>>11528796
>doing the dishes is still going to feel like doing the dishes
there is doing the dishes and then there’s doing the dishes exactly the way she likes it to please her. But your point still stands. Particularly in a Femdom
/FLR relationship. I think the main problem guys like >>11528113 have is that they’re coming at it from the wrong angle. It’s all well to want a dommy mommy to peg you, but what’s in it for her? If the answer is just „she gets to peg me“ then that‘s kind of a poor deal if that’s all there is. But if she gets a capable man who takes care of himself, strives for success and puts her needs first? Different proposal.

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>>11528810
>clicking "generate," then spending hours of manual human effort and creativity modifying and refining what was generated.

>instead of learning how to refine initial outputs in order to produce things of actual quality and value.

This is exactly what I did. I learned a whole bunch of new Gimp and Krita tricks in the process. I used it to do stuff nobody else ever thought of doing.

>>11528806
>Why don't dommes speak more openly about their candy shopping lists?
Because manipulative subs would simply behave exactly the way they talk about without actually *being* that way inside.
A domme doesn't want a sub who merely pretends to be all about fulfilling her needs. A domme wants a sub who actually puts her above himself, who actually feels a profound sense of purpose in serving her, who actually feels like he belongs serving her, who, regardless if he gets sexual arousal out of it, actually gets genuine, non-sexual satisfaction out of serving her and satisfying her.
She doesn't want someone who simply performs as her "candy shopping list" dictates hoping she does something that makes his dick hard in return. She wants someone whose very nature is to serve her and gain pleasure from her satisfaction even if she doesn't do something that makes his dick hard in return.
If that sounds one-sided, it is. That's kind of the point. It's a power dynamic. Of course the one in power comes first. Why wouldn't they?
Of course, a good domme will do enough stuff that makes the sub's dick hard to keep them interested. But her needs will always come first and will always be satisfied more often than the sub's needs. A domme is typically not interested in being a service top very often.

>>11528806
>my efforts to express myself via AI
Care to share more on how your using AI for that?

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>>11528764
>How would you feel if your domme licked your feet?

It probably wouldn't titillate me in any meaningful way, but if she's into it and doing so would make her day, of course I'd let her do it. It's just that... isn't this usually the other way 'round? The guy licks because he submits?

Generally speaking, I do like barefoot stuff, so a chance to spend some barefoot time with a barefoot partner would be allright.

>>11528764
I would be very confused haha.

>>11528806
>I'm a member on a local discussion forum. All of my interests have been ridiculed
Believe it or not, people behave differently online than in real life.
People are way meaner online.
Obviously, anonymity makes it easier to be mean. But it's more than that. It's a lot harder for most people to be mean to someone, especially someone with a disability, when they can see their face and see how they react to meanness because most people have empathy.
I wouldn't assume just because local people are assholes to you online that that means they're going to be assholes to you in person too.

>>11528817
I need to sign off for tonight, so I don't have any time left to do a long spiel about this, but generally speaking, I prompted material about a very specific theme that almost nobody has done. It may or may not involve jungle prison camps.

>>11528816
This is all so complicated...

I'd like having a laundry list of her preferences for my own safety. I'd like to evaluate what it is that she wants from me, and is it actually safe for me to do. Communication, remember? That's my reasoning for this.

>>11528829
I mean, IF and when she decides you're worthy of serving her, then, of course, she's gonna communicate to you how she wants to be served.
But, if she's smart, she's not going to just broadcast her preferences to subs before they've proven themselves worthy. She's going to want to see if the sub is naturally a good fit for her preferences before she decides they're worthy. She can't make this evaluation if the sub knows her preferences and is pretending to fit them.

>>11528821
>It's just that... isn't this usually the other way 'round? The guy licks because he submits?
Well, yes. It's quite symbolic that way, isn't it?
But there is one context I can imagine the domme doing the licking would make total sense: she's trying to tickle you.

>>11528821
>It's just that... isn't this usually the other way 'round?
Yes, my post doesn't deny that foot licking is usually male on female in femdom just like everywhere else. The difference I pointed out is that there's some female on male foot licking in femdom while everywhere else it's almost nonexistent.

>>11528829
>jungle prison camps
This better involve Amazons, anon.

I prefer my femdom gentle thank you very much

>>11527826
>>11527829
People say this, but I found that going there as an attractive person where I arranged to meet someone there, people wanted to get to know me and tell me about play parties and flirt with me pretty fast anyway. I was open about going there to meet someone I arranged to first meet safely at this munch and that I found this all very neat and fascinating. Of course they weren't immediately crude and I didn't act crude at all. People definitely should treat it as friendly getting to know people in the kinky community, where people are people, with hidden horny sides, and not as caricatures out of a porno. Some of the community were huge pervy sluts in private and all that but this was at a public restaurant and if we were publicly pervs our whole group could be banned from a restaurant we all liked. A lot of the people have very cool interests and are great to know, but people also talk most to those they're most interested in. Also if you seem nice/attractive they often have community play parties they'll want you to pay them money for and come to.
>>11528773
You can literally find other people with similar interests to talk to, you can even just talk to the person you find most attractive but you'll be very bored if they don't want to talk to you and you don't talk to anyone else. You can also just hit on people on fetlife and maybe get a relationship and never go to a munch except if your partner wants to. If that's too much well there are legal prodommes or prosubs in some places. Almost all relationships take time to build unless you're extremely attractive and just show up at sex events which cost money or hire a person or something which also costs money.

>>11528806
>Why don't dommes speak more openly about their candy shopping lists?
A whole bunch of them literally do on fetlife. They just don't tend to do that on more public sites because like most people they don't want friends/family/co-workers/employers and everyone and anyone knowing what kinky stuff they cum too.

It's unfortunate and inefficient but because women are uncomfortable talking about sex immediately those dommes without a list probably aren't going to tell you right away.
>>11528788
>there are a lot of subs who don't actually give a shit about dom(me)s' needs and just view them as fantasy enactment machines, and obviously no dom(me) wants a sub like that
Perhaps part of the reason is that:
1) Some subs have some really important kinks and want first and foremost to find someone compatible with that side of themselves. Some dommes may misread this desire as only seeing them as fantasy enactment machines, and victimizing themselves.
2) Some doms seem to try and win over subs by offering their fantasy enactment very very well, which can work, but then the basis for that relationship is that fantasy enactment. They didn't build a relationship on anything else, and there may be nothing else there but a desire for this sub to get their hot fantasy and then go. You can't be mad when you do it to yourself. It's not the subs fault if you offer it to them and they just say yes but then don't want anything more.

>>11529050
>Some subs have some really important kinks and want first and foremost to find someone compatible with that side of themselves.
The time to discuss this with a domme is once she's deemed you worthy of serving and once you've reached the negotiation stage.
It's common at this point for dommes to have subs fill out a form. Yes, a form. I'm not kidding. It's a form with a huge list of kinks/fetishes and you rate each one on a scale of like 1 to 5 regarding interest, where 1 means a hard no/a limit.
When I filled out this form for my domme, I modified the form slightly and specified that a 5 meant a "fetish need," defining that as "I will not be happy in this relationship if this fetish is not at least sometimes satisfied." I only checked one 5 on the form. She was very understanding about this and I imagine most dommes would be if you explained it to them like that.
Bringing this up RIGHT AWAY, well before she's deemed you worthy of serving her, however, is definitely going to make you look like a creep, regardless of your actual intent. It'd be like, why the fuck are you talking about your fetishes to me when I haven't even signaled intent towards you yet?

>>11529062
>intent
Er, interest.

>>11529062
>The time to discuss this with a domme is once she's deemed you worthy of serving and once you've reached the negotiation stage.
There is no set time for this. I also brought up how on fetlife people's fetishes are listed on their profile so you don't even have to talk about it to know, you just communicate later about what you might do and how. You can talk about things earlier but within reason politely. Not every partner is going to be a domme, some are switches, sadists, tops.
>once she's deemed you worthy of serving
This talk is very domme, but not every domme does this. Other people do have worth and a domme should also show you she wants you and will treat you well. It's a power exchange. Realize you have power and agency and you choose to give it, you choose to use power to submit actively. You choose to flirt as having less power, but that's what it is, you're flirting as a submissive. You're not simply being polite, you don't act submissively to others. Also a lot of dommes don't want this, and they may not want this kind of submission, nor may they want you acting this way to start where you talk about being worthy to serve.
>It's common at this point for dommes to have subs fill out a form
It's common for virtually everyone in fet spaces.
>Bringing this up RIGHT AWAY, well before she's deemed you worthy of serving her, however, is definitely going to make you look like a creep
You can easily do it successfully, and many easily do this by having it on their profile and saying they love certain fetish sooo much. They do it easily in their personal ad saying that it's one of the things you love, along with your hobbies, job, and what you're like. You can easily do it politely after talking for a few days and politely mentioning it on a tangent saying something like 'oh dating to find the right romantic connection with someone on my kinky level who might peg me has been quite a challenge, how has dating been for you on the other side as a domme?'

>>11529074
>You can easily do it politely after talking for a few days and politely mentioning it on a tangent saying something like 'oh dating to find the right romantic connection with someone on my kinky level who might peg me has been quite a challenge, how has dating been for you on the other side as a domme?'
You're not wrong, but at the same time you're talking about a level of social grace that is completely beyond a lot of people on 4chan haha.

>>11529074
>nor may they want you acting this way to start where you talk about being worthy to serve.
Well yeah I'm not suggesting anyone go up to a domme and ask if they're worthy to serve. That would be a very awkward way of going about things.
If a domme has interest in you, she's going to make it known. She's likely not going to be subtle about it. My domme started flirting pretty directly, hand on thigh, stuff like that, when she decided to make her interest known. At that point I just said real casually at one point, so hey, I'm open to playing with you. And it went from there.

>>11529094
Ha, yeah, you're right, but I want to say they should try and learn about it and not feel like the rules are hard defined against them but fluid for others. It's more fair than that, and they can figure out how to work well with others.

I also want people to know they're not going to always be in 24/7 domme relationships and you may not want to start talking to someone like you're already their submissive. 24/7 could be exhausting. Acting like their sub immediately might have them tell you to stop. Look at their profile and be polite. People usually want to live their normal person lives and then play kinky when they want to, and not be a perma master or a perma slave. There are all sorts of different levels to this rather than a full on master that wants you to be a slave she may just want you to be a regular guy who acts submissively in a romantic and sexual context.

>>11528796
>By all means, fantasize about a magical woman who will solve all of your problems. But adults aren't supposed to believe in magic.
Exactly why the world is so bitter. In reality, you just haven't pushed hard enough to bypass reality. I learned to enjoy doing dishes. It's a different experience for me now than it was before.
>>11528811
>but what’s in it for her?
Man, I sure do love how any sexual act I have with someone of the "oppressed" sex must be done in exchange for something else. Because my sexual value is just that low. I have to pay her or some shit to make up for how worthless I am, or else it's a "bad deal".

At least, when I was a kid, I actually believed the feminist bullshit. Sex is oppressive to women because they don't get to have any control over it and are physically weaker and are more sensitive. The whole point of pegging was that the roles were reversed. I'm the one giving up control and being oppressed in that case.

But no. No. The fact is that the reason it's hard to get sex with women is not because it makes them vulnerable. It's because women just don't want sex, or at least they don't want to "give up" the leverage to deny men sex who dare to want it. This is true EVEN when women are completely in control.
>>11528120
>Yeah, munches aren't for you. Everyone there will immediately be able to tell you're a creep.
Oh, man. He has a sex drive and isn't looking for a relationship. What a hecking creepazoid. He was born with a penis? Oh wow. I bet he's a tripple chin reddit mod loser rapist. What's that? He doesn't even want to use it?... that just makes it fucking worse, dooood. What a slimy worm of a "human being." He wants... uhhh?... Consentual sex with a bdsm foid who's into femdom and can do whatever she wants? He should not be allowed in public. He might rape someone with his gaping asshole.

Why do you guys have to be so hateful? I don't get it. But I sure am getting gayer by the year.

>>11529115
I shouldn't have to explain this to you, but it's dangerous to submit to someone in a BDSM context if you haven't even taken the time to socialize with them long enough outside of the bedroom to be able to decently judge their character, intelligence, capability, etc.

>>11529117
No shit. That's half the point. It's certainly not dangerous for the dom though. Safer than regular sex, at least.

So, we've gone from you calling people who want mommy domies creeps to you saying "oh it's dangerous." The sex women get for free is actually bad and gives men power over her.

Yeah, of course it's dangerous. Bro wants to be dominated by a woman. That's the point. He wants the sex. You don't understand. We've somehow gone back to you saying that sex is oppressive to women because it's dangerous and makes them submit and shit when that's the whole fucking point!

If the sex is so bad and dangerous for him, then why not let him have it? Or are you just going to hog it all while saying it's terrible? Yeah, for sure, I'm totally going to believe that being dominated is bad and oppressive when women ask for shit in exchange for sex even when I'm the one giving it out. Why not just take the simple answer that sex with women is just a more valuable commodity and you're just less innately valuable in this regard if you're a man?

There's no way around this. Either being dominated is bad for me and gives other people power and advantages over me, or it is not bad and somehow doesn't do that and feminists were fucking lying all along. You can't have both when convenient. Having a femdom fetish is one of the most blackpilling experiences on this planet.

What did this thread turn into? This isn't /b/ or /r9k/ or /soc/ or wherever you're supposed to talk about this kind of real life stuff.

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>>11529136
My point, which I should have elaborated on, was that there's something "off" about anyone willing to be the submissive partner in a BDSM scene with a non-pro who they haven't socialized with enough to be able to accurately judge their character, intelligence, capability, etc.
That "something off" will come across to many as being a sign the person is a creep.

>>11529144
Nah this is a great thread for inspiration. Picture the various anons being pilloried, facing each other while their Dommes cane them, shouting „debate harder“ and laughing at them. Winner gets to recite bad feminist poetry while having his balls crushed.

>>11529249
Is it one of those e-stim ball-crushers?
Please say yes. I love shocking my balls.

>>11529144
I like it. The femdom thread has the highest likelyhood of containing anons that actually had sex on /d/. Superior fetish

>>11529251
Yes. Now go and be a good boy and zap your balls for us.

>>11529249
>Picture
If you actually draw that situation, it might be relevant to the thread.
>>11529254
No. This is a board for hentai, not arguing about the social challenges of getting into a bdsm community.

>>11529167
There's nothing off about it, lots of people are into that

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Most women are creeps by your definition. Vanilla sex after a date where you just met the guy is gentle maledom at best. The physical power dynamics are 100% there.

The "something off" you're seeing is just prudishness meeting the cognitive dissonence that it's a man doing it rather than the permissably submissive sex. Your guy's brains shortwire and default to "he's a fucking rapist" because that's just what society does to demonize deviant male sexuality, even if it makes absolutely no sense.

>>11529393
Smoke less crack please

>>11529167
>>11529393
Sry. I didn't give you the (you) by mistake.

>>11529144
you clearly weren't around for the hundreds of bdsm general threads we used to have here. They would go to bump limit with double digit amount of images

>>11529115
>Exactly why the world is so bitter. In reality, you just haven't pushed hard enough to bypass reality. I learned to enjoy doing dishes.
Like idk this reads like someone who has only done "play sessions" and has not actually tried living together. I don't mean doing the dishes specifically and I don't mean anything that's part of a "scene", I mean just dealing with ordinary life stuff. You have to be compatible as people.
Also I don't think you have a lot of room to call anyone else's bitter when you seem so angry in this post. I'm pretty happy with my relationship.
>It's because women just don't want sex, or at least they don't want to "give up" the leverage to deny men sex who dare to want it.
This may be your experience but it hasn't been mine lol
>>11529393
Women are constantly worrying about "red flags" and stuff, a lot of the things women use to evaluate men are basically superstitions, but the dumbest third or so of men are waaaaay more irresponsible. Wanting to get to know someone well enough to know they're being honest is just common sense.
But also, if you are actually looking for a *relationship* and not just a hookup, then you have more things to evaluate than just sex. I definitely have a different perspective here because I only ever wanted femdom within a relationship and not casually. Not to mention, the guy who shows up at parties looking to get laid asap might be carrying gonorrhea.

>>11529999
Damn. Quads. Crazy work

>I mean just dealing with ordinary life stuff. You have to be compatible as people.
This is only if you're bad at or dislike ordinary life stuff. Maybe it's different because I live alone and have learned to enjoy tasks I can do like dishes or laundry or shoveling snow. I used to hate them, but for years now I don't. I have a hard time seeing anything relating to "normal life stuff" as immutable. The only "compatibility" issues I've seen are when one party comes to believe in compatibility.
>Also I don't think you have a lot of room to call anyone else's bitter when you seem so angry in this post. I'm pretty happy with my relationship.
I wasn't saying your relationship was bitter, but the dull attitute that your degenerate proclivity to realism fosters. And it's different for me because I'm provoking stuff. Were people to suddenly all agree with me, then we'd have a problem and I'd have to take your side instead.
>This may be your experience but it hasn't been mine lol
You were just talking about how you think in a relationship men need to think about how make up for that a woman pegs them or has sex with them. You still feel the need to "make it worth it for her" and if that's refering to the relationship, then fine. But if you mean making the sex with her worth it for her, that's where we have a problem.
>a lot of the things women use to evaluate men are basically superstitions
Exactly. So those women are all creeps, according to you.
>Not to mention, the guy who shows up at parties looking to get laid asap might be carrying gonorrhea.
He's gonna magically give you gonorrhea through the strap on? Femdom can literally be the cleanest form of casual sex possible next to phone sex and nobody gives a shit.

>>11528120
>which provides the pegger with zero physical pleasure
Can we stop with this meme,
Strapons put pressure and rub on the pussy.
If that's not enough you can put a vibe under the strapon.
If that's not enough peg with a strapless dildo.

Like are all of you retarded or just unimaginative...

>>11530226
We're both

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>>11530053
>Maybe it's different because I live alone and have learned to enjoy tasks I can do like dishes or laundry or shoveling snow. I used to hate them, but for years now I don't.
I do not understand how you can be this bad at understanding things. Did you even read the post I responded to? It was about *having sex* causing sudden changes in personality. I didn't say "nothing ever changes".
>the dull attitute that your degenerate proclivity to realism fosters
This is just imagining stuff and then getting mad about it
>You were just talking about how you think in a relationship men need to think about how make up for that a woman pegs them or has sex with them.
I never said anything like that at all, in any of my posts, and in any case I don't believe it.
That was someone else, and he explained his point somewhere else, and frankly I don't like it very much because he took something I like and made it sound degrading. But he has a basically correct point that acts are supposed to be mutually enjoyable and not transactional.

Let me rephrase my original post. A poster said that he wanted to get pegged because he thought it would make him enjoy having sex with men. I said that's silly. (Although he might just be gay already.) I also saw basically the idea that some not-very-functional men have that they will become good partners if only they got their asses kicked a few times. And basically that's not true, if you're a lazy slob living alone, you're still going to be a drag in a relationship, because sex is not a replacement for personal development, and a domme is not a life coach.

I'm going to guess that you're the turbo autist. I can't respond to the rest of your post because you're attributing someone else's words to me. But I think you're going to have to accept that most people do this "getting to know you" ritual and you're going to have to go through the motions, whether it's for sex, friendship, or anything else.

>>11530589
I don't want the last post in this thread to be a rant, so I'll talk about something nice. I think the reason my wife doesn't see any reason to hold sex over me is because I will do what she wants anyway. I will give her a massage for nothing and eat pussy for headpats. I think this might be partly because of me not having the highest sex drive anyway and when male subs have really high libido then some form of denial play is just how you handle that. But for us, she fucks me when she wants to and it's great. If I'm too horny to fall asleep I can ask for permission to masturbate and she usually says yes.

>>11529115
>women just don't want sex
Let me fix that for your.
>women don’t want just sex
There. Now you get the point I was trying to make.
>>11530589
>something I like made sound degrading
If you are referring to doing the dishes, then I didn’t mean to imply that. i meant that as a sub, I enjoy doing things that make the life of my partner easier and more pleasant. To the point where I take pride in her coming to expect that certain things are done for her in a certain way because I‘m really fucking good at them or because they’re done in precisely the way she likes them. But that’s one way of playing and not necessarily the way that scratches other people’s itch.

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A WIP of my YCH.
Its a really fun pose to draw.
Wish I was that dude.