Themed Questions:>How's Marriage/Matching making done in your world(markets, Dating, Arranged, etc.)?>What would the Ideal Master/Slave relationship be like?>Picture a "day in the life of" for "newlyweds"?>Are women viewed legally as pets, slaves, 2nd Class, etc?Last Thread>>11456860Archives:https://archived.moe/d/search/subject/Patriarchy/https://desuarchive.org/d/search/subject/Patriarchy/Disclaimer:This thread is for fetishizing a patriarchy where it's biological men being Doms and biological Women as Subs
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>>11514876Gems from last thread:>Extracurricular Date Events>Designed to create a more "natural" pairing experience, Finishing Schools will introduce girls to potential suitors on a controlled envioment, so the girl becomes attracted to her buyer on a much more innocent, deeper level.>Before even meeting a suitor, the girls are given love story short novels to read on language classes, and encouraged to imagine themselves as the protagonists, as they are introduced to the stimulation of their Chastity Belts.>The girls start receiving letters from their arranged suitors, and even though they cannot see them yet, are conditioned to endure their horniness and frustration as they respond back, guided to create a rapport through writing.>Then, small cafe meetings where the suitor can leave small gifts can happen, where both individuals can already talk about common likes and dislikes, as the girl is edged throughout the event.>The meetings gradually become longer and more private, and the girl is guided to become more attached and desperate for contact as the pairing goes on.>Eventually, the suitor can test if the girl has attached herself enough to him to become obedient, by making requests at her.>Once he asks her for her bra, the connection is all but assured, as she is willing to become available and vulnerable to him.>She also loses one of the last avenues of self soothing available to her, as her nipples are then glued with pasties by her new Master, in preparation for the final sale.>The last nights she spends at the Finishing School before Graduation and Submission become unbearable, as she soaks through her bed, with no chance for relief.
>>11514877>be a young man growing up in the patriarchy>have my pick of girls my age from the local finishing school, who will serve as my first personal servant and eternally loyal companion>try to talk to them about human things sometimes, if they like games or music or something, but no>they are impossibly horny, every single one of them>the only thing that exists in their head is me and their future being crushed underneath my boot>some of them even start crying when I try to talk about anything else>most of the variance is physical, they all seem to be insane in a similar way, but some slightly more than most>honestly they are cute but...for sure just things>the one who finally impressed me enough to get my brand kept on begging to be choked by my "strong, superior hands" whereas the rest of the girls were nervous enough to stop and beg for something else after the first few times>she seems at least a little bit different, maybe I'll name her chokey or something
>>11514878>The moment She receives that first courting letter, her "self soothing" options are slowly but surely cut down.>She is made to imagine Married life in a Harem, surrounded by other girls in Ettiquette classes.>She writes endless essays in Feminine Script for Language class about the feelings of heroines in Love novels.>Fitness class has her take strange poses for flexibility and endurance.>She meets her Suitor´s other Wives, Daughters, Mother, and Aunts in endless interviews before seeing him. her flaws polished off by soft female hands.>And the Chastity belt, which she had learned to ignore, stirs with life, new aditaments inserted and exchanged between cleaning checkups.>At night, when she should be most private, she finds her strength depleted and attempts to sleep, only for strange dreams to form in her mind, dreams of perverted unbelievable acts.
>>11514879>reading up on how exactly they brainwash these things i'm a bit less surprised>they're all pretty similar by design, their minds are completely destroyed in order to maximize attachment>as the one I like draws closer to me she spends a large amount of her day learning everything about me, so that when she begins to serve she will start with the equivalent of personalized service training>exchanging letters with her, trying to figure out just how to put my personal touch on her little mind, those dreams are the perfect opportunity>of course I am actively dominating her very soul, and the dreams are proof of that>"All of that depravity you see is your actual future, slave.">these creatures have a ceremony where they are delivered to their new Master, chastity belt unlocked for the first time in their life and handed over to the man who controls that life from now on>I hear it's basically impossible for them to not be completely overwhelmed by emotions when they finally experience that day>it's good to own a lot more than just a girls body
>"Hey, what does this button do?">*Screams of pure sexual tension, intense rattling, high intensity bodily fluid spraying*>"OoOooh, UuUuuuUh..." *hands locking in velociraptor position and shaking* "I... I was just trying to entertain myself!">Marsh Frog Conservatory>Some girls are just born... Different.>Despite, or perhaps because of the endless unethical, unsustainable, poisoning, and unenviromental effort to turn the feminine form into submissive perfection, sometimes a gene just clicks the wrong way.>But there is beauty in the flawed and unexpected, so a place was established to nourish those idiot-savants, differently abled, ADHD stricken and other diversity minded girls.>More tightly controlled than other women, Marsh Frog girls are, to a cunt, all perfectly scuplted beauties.>Efforts are made to make sure that enough of their Stimming and Recreational sessions are sublimated into excersise, and sport, and since their malfunctions forbid them forever from touching a flame, their diets are controlled.>Depending on their level of Autism, careful care is also put into choosing their special interest for them.>Some could wear a suit and lead a team of Lawyers or Executives, as long as they dont get distracted by the color red, while others may be geniuses in Slapstick comedy, as long as they are the ones getting slapped by the consequences of their own actions.>Just like their intellectual range, their libido may not work on the usual ranges of frustration and climax that leash other women to Patriarchy, so Belting and Edging is done in a case by case scenario.>If it leads to creating a useful product, even open Lesbianism and Alternative Sexualities are tolerated and encouraged to these girls.>The sale of these girls is tightly controlled, as they are chaotic and unpredictable. An experienced Master could turn one of these girls into a perfect Homemaker, just as much as an inexperienced one could wake up one day on a Household populated by parrots.
>>11514868>Women viewed legally as petsThis should be the Default for women, it's just assumed they cant take care of themselves.So for their own good all women are collared and treated like pets not responsible for their actions and no freedom at all.Schooling and education designed to pick out women of higher intellect but most will be domestic, sexual and breeding slaves.>>11515854>intellectual range, their libido may not work on the usual rangesKind of relating to >>11513052 from last thread but.Like the idea of having an Elite/special class of women being physically and intellectually above the norm.More freedoms then other slaves certainly less then men. The types of women that might start feminist movements.But instead they're picked out and made into the "right hand Bitches" of the patriarchy.Gender traitors who use their privilege to keep other women in line and are rewarded for it.Plus these women are for masters who want women that aren't just sex crazed or airheaded bimbos
>>11515854>enslaving neurodivergent girls is a acquired taste>their minds are still as simple as any other slave, but immensely more chaotic>should they be properly trained however, their devotion is nearly endless>obsession with Master comes far more quickly to these slaves, and easily grows more intense>it's recommended to give them a outlet since their hyperfixation will always come back to you in some way, although it often manifests in other ways>drawing is a highly recommended one>most slaves will have plenty of tears about how they aren't the perfect artist that Master deserves for the rest of their service, but the art produced depicting their submission to Master in a variety of situations and worlds is always appreciated>one of the best slave artists is such a creature, highly detailed scenes of her suffering for her Master in a environment or situation that always involve a equally as detailed train in some way>such girls require a lot of patience>slave ethics laws require that disposal and/or abandonment of such property by it's Master be approved by government review, as their attachment is so intense they often cannot meaningfully be retrained or rehomed>most of their owners just need a class in proper handling of them in order to extract highly devoted service
>reading about sati practice in IndiaTruth really is stranger than fiction.
>>11516130>SatiSee, that is why women should hurry and surrender. Even our most Sadist fantasies are merciful to them.>>11515963>>11515966Only for experienced Masters, you get an Idiot-Savant in Corporate management, who in previous ages where marital rape was a thing would be called a frigid bitch, but in these enlightened era, it is just understood that her restart button simply lies at the portio, and every time she makes mistakes, you must simply press the button forcefully and consecutively.She does not wear a belt, because she is just incapable of stimulating herself, but understands that the other bitches in your household should be left crawling up the walls in frustration for optimal performance, and her current thrill consists on arranging release sessions on your girls in extremely fertile days, since "Increasing the amount of offspring to offer to the state is a low cost way to improve society in the long term."
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>>11515966>hyperfixation will always come back to you in some way, although it often manifests in other waysCould direct it into lewd/practical avenues, have her educated and working in a fertility clinic.She's meticulous with watching women's cycles for natural breeding or she's a lab bunny working on IVF.Patriarchy finds a place for women to belong, especially if she's got a good brain in her>>11516203>ages where marital rape was a thing would be called a frigid bitchI'd assume patriarchy does away with the idea of consent for women.Who, Where and When women are fucked is entirely up to their owner.Also brings up funny things like how women can't "cheat" on their masters since women aren't responsible for their actions.It's the fault of the home wrecker man for taking advantage of an overly trusting woman.Just natural for a slave to obey her betters, and of course rape is now a form of property crime.>Increasing the amount of offspring to offer>improve society in the long termIronic that Feminism pushing women from their natural role has turned them into inferior men.Genuinely praising women for sexuality, fertility and motherhood seems like a far better life for women.Something that comes naturally for most women...Also the implication of there being breeding programs the feed slave markets is kinda hot.
>>11516254>Marsh Frog Conservatory, First Year, Girlbusiness Mama-gement Gifted Program Student, Rio.>"I am glad to be able to skip being belted. It is unbelievable how many girls risk getting a yeast infection by touching themselves, I simply cannot do it. I even dropped out of swimming classes the moment I could smell the yeasty-ness in other girls.">Marsh Frog Conservatory, Second Year, Girlbusiness Mama-gement Gifted Program Student, Rio.>"I do declare these extra mandatory courses on pregnancy and child rearing to be ilogical. When they dumbed down economics to include home budgeting, and home projects, I held my tongue, but now my business degree is being threatened.">Marsh Frog Conservatory, Third Year, Girlbiusness Mama-gement Gifted Program Student, Rio.>"Finally, my Internship program has been approved! I will get practical experience and mentorship from an investor willing to give me a job after graduation. It is only logical, after all the letters I sent to the Headmistress denouncing my Lecturers.">Marsh Frog Conservatory, Graduation Ceremony, Girlbusiness Mama-gement Gifted Program Student, Rio.>"My ruins lay down on this bed, like the carved figure of Coyolxauhqui. What is the most logical action? The one my Master demands of me. What is my goal? For my Master to embrace me again in this way...">Marsh Frog Conservatory, Post Studies Career, Girlbusiness Mama-gement Gifted Program Graduate, Rio.>"And so, with careful investment, we should be able to send another daughter to an Internship to Almond Blossom. You know... I have reached the stable period... Can you not find it in your heart... To unlock me... And make use of me..."
What's the most patriarchal society in history?
The sati practice sounds like something I would have to firmly tell a yandere slave that she isn't allowed to do. Women tend to live longer on average so a slave girl that outlives her Master is a relatively common occurrence, and after a lifetime of servitude she's for sure going to be obsessive enough to want to sacrifice herself at Master's funeral. Despite how upsetting that would actually be to all the people attending.It's why its important to set out who gets ownership of your slave in your will. Maybe a trusted friend who can do their best to still have her be in service, but they're likely to be unsalvageable after losing their Master. Being sold to the mines after a few months spent just screaming and crying is unfortunately pretty common. A healthy 20 year old can rarely survive more than a year down there, so a old and tortured slave won't have long until she can reunite with her Master, and still honour him by serving until her last breath.
>>11516537>Girlbusiness Mama-gement Gifted ProgramPerfect way to turn a women to a switch.Domineering women directing that energy at those below them, a real slave driver.Put in charge of other women she'll push them to please her master.She might even lord her power over men, being just an extension of her master's will.But the moment Her master pulls her leash she's on her knees...>send another daughter to an Internship to Almond BlossomWomen with breeding fetish is the ideal , even better when society encourages it.Mothers pride themselves on giving master daughters to sell at auction and strong male heirs!>>11516967>What's the most patriarchal society in history?Rome had a odd system of dealing with slavery.Free men being monogamous with their wives and being head of household.But also owning slave women, using them sexual and even breeding them was an accepted norm.Just with strict boundaries of wife born vs slave born offspring.Many wives even expected that their husband buy slave women as domestic servants.With a "men will be men" attitude towards their hubby fucking the house slaves.So they didn't take it as far with slaves like these threads, some anons simply enslaving all women
>>11517129>Girl personalities depending the program at Marsh Frog Conservatory>Business Management>Complete Germaphobe. Increased Sensitivity to Smell. No sexual curiousity. Will become perma-horny the moment she smells the overripened fruit perfume of pregnancy and breast milk on her own body.>Arts and Humanities>Born without a sense of self preservation. Natural Tomboy. No brain to mouth filter. No concept of cleanliness.>Biology and Medical practice.>Eager to experiment motherhood, no practical experience. Snow White Animal Rapport powers. >Math and Physics Research>Bookshy nerd. Trembling cute hamster aura. Will record the audio of her deflowering session and play it on loop in her earphones to cure the anxiety in her head.
>Girls start school as early as possible. They're treated equally to men at first, but within weeks the stupid ones flunk out>Once a girl flunks out she's given her slave mark (a tattoo would grow strangely) and all privileges are revoked>Girls that manage to make it through elementary school are quite gifted (~15% remain in school)>At this point tests and classes are intentionally made too difficult to MAKE them start failing>With each failure more privileges are taken away. Eating sweets? Masturbation? Talking to men as equals? Gone with each next failure.>Most give up and become slaves themselves, managing flunkies (~5% remain in school)>Females that graduate are the trophy wives and the most desirable.>Authority goes: Master -> right hand man (or men) -> prized wife* -> employed men -> head slave -> management slaves -> slaves>The only reason the prized wife is above employed men is because she has the safety and backing of her husband. If he's unable to actively support her, she can be ordered around like any other woman
>>11517266I'm always a fan of ideas like this. Give me exhausted, brilliant women watching their opportunities wilt away and slowly coming to accept that no matter what they achieve they need a man.Honestly it's why I prefer when settings do the kind of Roman thing that >>11517129Discussed where there are citizen women who are still beholden entirely to men's whims, either a direct husband or master, or a more impersonal situation, and then there's slaves.It's not seen as "failure" to become a slave, that's normal for girls, but there will still be many who see the slim chance at being a "person" and make it their life goal.Modern slaves do modern jobs anyway, so for every housemaid sex pet you likely own a few office ladies of varying education levels, maybe a middle manager type or two, plus the "True Wife" you pick which for many would be intelligent enough to manage things in your stead.Authority and achievement just earns more scrutiny, a drop out house slave gets paddled for breaking a plate but otherwise is seen as "just a female" an educated and trained woman(citizen or otherwise) will be treated much harsher should she fail or resist.
>>11517231>Women in Professional yet feminine workCute, yet very subversive towards Professional women.Patriarchy has ulterior motive for allowing some women to be educated or elevated above "just another bitch"If she's not sold direct to a master then working "normal" jobs is just advertising herself for sale.Even in rare cases when women are allowed carriers it's expected and encouraged for women to take breeding years off from work.Think trope of "Gap years in Europe to find myself" but the /d/ version.>>11517266>within weeks the stupid ones flunk out>flunks out she's given her slave markLove the idea of failing out of education is so expected for women that they develop Anti-intellectualism.It's waste to prep for higher education, better to have domestic or sexual skills.Women getting onboard with the Easy life, open your legs for men then be rewarded and cared for.>>11517266>>11517822>Females that graduate are the trophy wives>become a slave, that's normal for girlsPulling from the Roman influence, majority of women would be slaves not that it's seen as a failing on their part.Elite class of citizen women with slaves to support them.But also the odd dynamic of citizen women as wives being rare, yet everyman owns slave wives.Just funny to see a setup where women actively support female enslavement as both free and slave women have something to gain from the system.Gifted women with ability given privileges while slaves wear the collar "for their own good".
How many of you would legitimately be willing to get into a master-slave dynamic? Where the man has full authority over his partner (wife, gf, whatever)Would it need to be consensual?Would it be just in the bedroom, just in private, or publicly known?What would this dynamic look like?Or is this all just fantasy you goon to?
>>11518308>How many of you would legitimately be willing to get into a master-slave dynamic? Where the man has full authority over his partner (wife, gf, whatever)Isn't that why we are all here?>Would it need to be consensual?For legal purposes it needs to be consensual. Now if you were to make legal for women to be property, that's a different story. You'd be surprised how many women in real life fantasize about something like that.Plus there are a lot of fun things to do with a consensual slave that would be a mess with a non-consensual one.>Would it be just in the bedroom, just in private, or publicly known?I don't think it would necessarily need to be publicly known. Maybe you could have a way to "brand" your slave in public, like a collar, a bracelet or something like that. So she feels owned withouth giving away the whole thing.>What would this dynamic look like?I don't think there's a standart way to look at this. There's so many ways to control a woman. Clothes, hair styles, body modifications, behaviour, domestic training, sexual conditioning...As I see it, the slave should be able to surrender certain aspects of her life to the master, and from there you both should be able to develop a satisfying Master-slave dynamic. Always with the pleasure of the Master in mind, of course.
>>11518308Blogposting about real life stuff in the past was a big mistake, but yeah I always knew I wanted a slave and not a wife. Dominating someones entire soul was always the goal.>Would it need to be consensual?Yeah obviously. There is something to be said about how slaves often fear abandonment, and telling them that they are your property and thus their relationship with you is nonnegotiable would help assuage their fear that they will ever be without Master, but eh, should she ever truly want to escape and be free its not right at all to stop her. >Would it be just in the bedroom, just in private, or publicly known?I would strive for it consuming all of their lives, but that might always be a bit of a fantasy. Reality would get in the way, and I don't really want to force a slave to give up her friends and parade her around naked infront of them unless its something that I know all of them would be okay with. Even wearing a collar out in public, I wouldn't order it unless I was positive she could endure it, and the same goes for the rest of her humanity that she surrenders to me.>What would this dynamic look like?Progressively more control taken over her life, when Master is convinced that she is ready for it, not when she claims she is. Plenty of slaves get just a drop of being dominated and want to just surge ahead and ruin their entire life in pursuit of how it made them feel, despite the fact their life is Master's property too. Master knows best, and this includes making her live the best possible life in support of his.Day one for being enslaved could look like visiting Master in something that would be a bit like a date, except she strips naked upon entering his home, discusses suggestions for how to style her hair and makeup to be more pleasing to him, what clothes to wear for when they do need to leave his home, and spends her date with Master kneeling on the floor infront of his chair while they chat.
>>11518308> How many of you would legitimately be willing to get into a master-slave dynamic?Some already are> Would it need to be consensual?Women are passive, men are active. Consent is only for those with agency, who create order. Women don't create order, they consume it (and are hungry for it). They are chaotic, and must have order imposed on them. What men need from women is not consent, but compliance. What women need from men is a structure to mold themselves around, and therefore they do not need (nor really want) freedom.> Would it be just in the bedroom, just in private, or publicly known?As much as I could get away with.> What would this dynamic look like?Final veto on any decision, only delegating what I don't care about (and only for as long as I don't care).Open grooming of their mind and body to my desires.> Or is this all just fantasy you goon to?This is the future we are getting, in the real world, one way or another.
>>11518308>What would this dynamic look like?Women should be loved, protected and controlled. But taken to the natural extreme of slavery.No misogynistic cruelty, instead there's aspects of fertility worship/praise of women as breeders.Or have women in suitably feminine roles including sex work it's "women knowing their place".>it need to be consensual?A "yes" in the way of women being groomed into it.Their mothers and society at large telling them slavery & obedience is normal.Any Nos just seen as women going though a phase or begging for attention.>in the bedroom, just in private, or publicly known?Collars with slave tags displaying her name, master and owner contact info just like a pet.Additional color tag shows sexual status, master's use only, sex worker, free use, chaste, etc.Manner of dress is up to her master but should fit her status
>>11518308>is this all just fantasy you goon to?Yes. Both men and women fantasise about things that they wouldn't want to do or happen in real life.
I'd want a few slaves:My rapemeat. A huge masochist that loves to get subjected to brutal sex and punishment (secret marking/scarring fetish, she won't last more than a few years before I'd need a replacement)My bedwarmer. A girl who's intellectual enough to have a decent conversation with, the one I most enjoy being around. The prize wifeMy head maid. An older woman who knows her place but just really wants to make her master feel safe and relaxedSlaves-in-training. A number of girls whom I'm training to be slaves. Most will be sold to other Masters, but a few that I take a liking to will join my household.Household maids. The general slaves that do all the gruntwork around my property. Each called to my bedroom about once a month (only time they're allowed sexual gratification)Anal whore. My party favor girl. A vaginal virgin by my command. To be lent out to friends and associatesPersonal assistant. The one who knows my schedule like she knows the bottom of my foot. By my side 24/7 but practically invisible. Never speaks unless absolutely necessary. My masseuse, barber, foot stool, and whatever else I need her to be.What am I missing, bros?
>>11520907>Most will be sold to other Masters>Anal whore. My party favor girl. A vaginal virgin by my command. To be lent out to friends and associatesFaggot.
>>11520937Think of it this way: The most/only valuable thing about a woman is her ability to bear children. You have enough pussies to use as you will, another makes no difference. So, take that away (and the normal pleasure that comes with it) and you're left with a girl with no value and no reason to exist. But still, you make her useful. Her very existence comes from to your mercy and desire. You own the body, the mind, the soul, AND the purpose of this slave.Combine that with the fact that she still has the child-bearing organs, and your hold on her is even stronger. She actively chooses to ignore her cunt because you told her to.You also forgot to submit an image on this imageboardAs an aside, a mother who's sexually replaced by her daughter would be hot as hell. Especially if you make her watch.
>>11520907>My bedwarmer. A girl who's intellectual... The prize wife>Other whores to be lent out to friends and associatesLove these kind of Whores & wives type dynamics./D/ traditional monogamy as wives give legitimate male hiers and daughters for marriages(Spares enslaved)Your wife might even oversee the whoring out and breeding of household slaves.Slave women seen more like pets/property so wifely duties also covers managing slaves.>>11521112>most valuable thing about a woman is her ability to bear children>mother who's sexually replaced by her daughterEven better if it's also women helping to perpetuate the system.Wives raise their daughters to be married off, house slaves breed and raise master's perfect pets.Patriarchy creates women that see sexual use as a normal part of life regardless of status.Being used by men is second nature, even to the point rape/women's consent is changed within the patriarchy
>>11518308>Or is this all just fantasy you goon to?For me the process was like this:Phase 1: horrified and disgusted by patriarchy and anti feminism, argue about how "stupid" it is.Phase 2: involuntary masturbation (it activates my amygdyla) feel really bad about it afterwords.Phase 3: "it's just a fetish" cope phase. Tell myself all women have rape fantasies, it doesn't mean i'm not a feminist IRL.Phase 4: get into consensual maledom and ERP, begin talking to men in the LGD/ anti-feminist space. Begin to understand and sympathize with the male perspective more. Even though i don't agree with it, I have to engage with their point of view.Phase 5: conservative vibe-shift in the west begins to accellerate and become undeniable. As abortion rights are overruled by the Supreme Court and DEI/ Me Too begins to recede it becomes obvious that people are turning against feminism. I investigate why, and begin to get redpilled about my own gender.Phase 6: become fully redpilled radical anti feminist gender traitor. Realize women are biologically hard wired to need strict control and ownership by men, and that humanity needs to return to this basic organizing principal to survive.So yeah eventually I realized that my love of patriarchy, maledom, pregnancy, LGD, etc wasn't just a fetish, it was my entire sexuality, and this is secretly true of the vast majority of women.
>>11518847>This is the future we are getting, in the real world, one way or another.It's been thrilling to see how rapidly men are becoming natalist and anti women's rights on the internet, and the media only just beginning to catch on. At first it was just some niche christian conservative religious figures advocating it, but now it's becoming more widely accepted that human civilization simply can't endure if women have the freedome to control when we reproduce.Meanwhile, the sudden rise of AI is obsoleting college-- where women had established a chokehold, and as time goes on as robotics becomes advanced going to crater the value of sex work. At the same time, the slow death of legalist, technocratic liberal democratic governance heralds a new age of armed conflict where men will naturally regain their prominence due to their proximity/control over the means of production as well as their necessary role in warfare.The question is not if, but how. Either the developed world will revoke women's rights and enforce birth quotas, or they will be supplanted by a human tide of africans, Arabs, central and south asians who already follow strict religious patriarchal social codes. Either way, the reconnect of women is already underway, whether it takes 50, 100, or 200 years. Although we can all hope for some surprising rapid acceleration in the next few decades.My guess is that china will be the first developed state to Crack down on women, with russia, east asia, the AmeAsia, and Europe gradually following suit like dominos.
>>11521322What would your recommendation be to corru- I mean teach any given feminist young woman?Say I have a girlfriend whose perfect. Well, except for being a bit too self-reliant and misandrist. How would I help her evolve past those delusions?
>>11521368These types of shifts play out over years or decades. No woman just abandons beliefs held at the drop of a hat. The go to strategy for liberal/queer women is to normalize everything through kink, normalize degenerate sexuality, commodification of feminity, social media addiction, and behavioral reinforcement via financial incentive. Always let women set the pace. Give us freedom, and we'll trade it in for glorified slavery every time.For liberal/queer women the way to change our minds isn't through discourse, it's with an onlyfans account, social media. For shy girls, things like DnD, AO3, or just ERP can be an in.But if a woman is 20 and a feminist, you have your work cut out for you. You essentially just have to wait for her to turn 30, and then start advocating for male supremacy and patriarchy after hormonal aging and fatigue have softened her resistance.
>>11521419Meant to mention AI, many women can be susceptible to having our beliefs warped by talking to chat bots, as silly as that sounds, even if we have a general idea of how it works. This is because women are programmed to reciprocate emotional communication and are often disinterested if not totally ignorant of how technology actually works
>>11521112Cuckshit is a disgusting faggot safe horny fetish. That woman belongs to you. Other men can get their own.Even a worthless beaten up woman can still be of use to you, if only by bearing your children.As an aside, I don't like BDSM. Patriarchy is quite a broad fetish that just means that men are in charge. The point isn't to deliberately make women miserable even to your own detriment.
>>11522599Imagine being in a thread about Patriarchy and being upset that women are used how a man wants, like an object.>>CuckshitCucking requires that you have invested emotional interest in a girl. Having a one-night-stand with some whore who then fucks another guy doesn't make you a cuck. In this case, the anal-only girl would be one I have financial interest in (costs money and time to train) but not emotional interest in. Her own emotions are manipulated to serve my own goals, as per usual.>>The point isn't to make women miserableNo, the point is to do whatever the fuck I want with them. In this fantasy, I have the power to do it. There'll be women I care about as partners, women I care about as useful slaves, and women I don't give two shits about because she'll be replaced within the month. If you want to be a kind, yet overbearing and possessive man... Go for it.>>I don't like BDSMThen why are you engaging with the fetish? This thread may not necessarily be, but my post sure was.*posts a MFF threesome in a general thread**random guy gets angry at lesbian sex*That's youWhat if you had a new Playstation that's never been used, but you already have like 20. Already have one for every room you intend on playing games in. Kinda worthless to you. So, you mod it. Can't play online games anymore, but it does what other consoles can't. Fun to play. So you loan it out to friends. It's a power play that shows them you have the resources to mod a brand new Playstation. It's also a resource you can use. They want extra time with your fancy modded Playstation? They can pay for it with money, favors, information, their own modded Wii, or whatever. As an aside, you should learn to discuss ideas without insults. I've ignored it until now, thinking you'd figure it out on your own, but clearly that didn't happen.
Merging with your women is seen as based or degenerate in your world?
>>11522757It's always hilarious how easy it is to make cuckfags start seething and ranting.
>>11521419You overestimate the resistance of 20 year old girls. Most of them are craving a genuinely dominant male frame.
>>11521322>it was my entire sexuality, and this is secretly true of the vast majority of women.I think men find shocking how prevalent this is even for women who are publicly raging feminists (they get wet when they are told to shut the fuck up).
>>11521335ugh. this thread actually killed my fetish after reading these posts a few days ago. i actually can't goon to this anymore. thanks assholes.
>>11523297Yeah, they lost me somewhere between the tranny larp and the advocating for the legalization of rape in the real world. Need to take a cold shower after that one.
>>11523297>>11523298It's always a good day when simply typing my thoughts on /d/ makes weak men cower. First off, rape is the most powerful and ancient tool of coercion known to man. Women literally orgasm from rape and fantasize about it and evolution doesn't make mistakes. Legitimizing male conquest and ownership of women through rituals like marriage is the foundation of any traditional patriarchy. If you don't actively want to return to those times that's fine but whining and breaking the fourth wall because you're upset about women being raped or losing rights has no place here.Secondly, it's ironic that you call me a tranny since only my path provides the possibility of actually eradicating troons. No more social and legal recognition of LGBT, period. No more hormone prescriptions for women in menopause, no more women's education, or medical privacy for that matter. So don't call me a tranny when its you and your preferred society that enables their existence.
>>11522851I'm going to assume a fantastical setting with magic/alchemy.Merging as defined by two individuals becoming a combined amalgamation? A man should never stoop as low as to allow himself to be corrupted by a woman in such a manner. Best case scenario: Revocation of all rights and treated as the lowest of the slaves. Worst case scenario: Repeated public execution and revival.Merging as defined by one becoming part of the second? A man's slave could only dream of becoming part of her Master. It would be a reward if it didn't destroy any future potential value a slave could give. Up to each man, but generally frowned upon and considered a waste. The other way around is straight-up the worst possible crime against society a man could commit.Should a slave somehow absorb her Master or another man (against all odds and in direct opposition with her upbringing) she will be tortured in the most brutal and sadistic ways imaginable. Probably used as a way for up-and-coming Masters to learn how far a slave can be pushed, or even just to vent frustrations. An example must be made.
>>11523298>legalization of rapeWhat's wrong with "raping" the women you own anyways you bought them from their father or breeder they're yours.Woman's value is their body, fertility and motherhood. Exchanged for never needing to think about running their own life>>11521421>AI, women's beliefsAlways loved the idea of teaching women learned helplessness along with total trust and obedience.An AI "assistant" on her phone/collar(also tracks her) everything she needs to do or know is told to her by the AI.Obviously said AI is just another tool for men to control their women.>>11523402>Women literally orgasm from rape and fantasize about it>rituals like marriage is the foundation of any traditional patriarchyOther lewd /d/ idea, Rape as a normal part of any loving relationship between men and their women.So long as she's yours it's fine. Other side to this is rape/sex as a tool for training womenFeminism just being seen as women asked to be raped/bred by her master.She's acting out to get the attention of her master and in part it's his fault for not being attentive to her sexual/emotional needs
Fun fact: the chances of a woman getting pregnant from nonconsensual intercourse is about double that or consensual sexIf that doesn't tell you what's natural, nothing can
>>11518308I mean if I had the resources to do it properly, yes, I'd go from fantasy to 24/7 in a moment. But it would take a running start with an absurd amount of capital even just to build the foundation.Consent would have to be key, at least in the early going. You probably need a headmistress figure who's as into permanent submission as you, if not more so. You furnish her with the instructions/guidelines, and use women's trust of other women as your recruitment tool for the first set of underlings. She builds her playground and runs it to suit herself and the other diehards she's collected, under the implicit arrangement that her and everyone else will drop whatever else they're doing with each other to serve you when you deign to make an appearance. It also couldn't *really* be 24/7 until you build rapport and/or fully indoctrinate someone; you have to provide some private space and safe words. The moment you break consent you're on the news as the new NXIVM guy and the game's over.You'd have to be perpetually testing the boundaries as you go, subtly inching them closer to total subjugation and eroding their ego with precision. If they start to feel fear, they'll bolt or try and bring the whole place down; even if they think they want it, they are women and will not be aware of what that means in practice. Even as willing submissive sluts, they are still operating on their own desires; they may want to put the maid outfit on but good luck getting them to clean the bathroom. Even "24/7" is still just a tacit agreement to play long-term pretend. Repetition and gradual re-education will be necessary to cross the final line.
>>11526039>women's trust of other womenI guess you don't really understand how women work. They absolutely despise one another by default. Girls becoming friends is natural and expected, but those "friendships" are usually performative or exist for fear of social exclusion. True trust between women is a rare thing, and even then is balanced on the edge of a knife. One wrong move and her "bestie" of 7 and a half years gets blocked without an explanation. True story.As an aside, true trust between men and woman can really only go one way. Men can't truly ever trust a woman. The most successful marriages I've seen almost always involve infantilizing or patronizing the wife in some way. But that same woman will trust her husband with her entire being.I agree with everything else here. Without some very radical changes in first world governance, advocates for women's rights would seek to "correct the injustice" of a woman living her best life as a slave. Slow burn of sex sessions involving hard maledom would turn to CNC centered around it. Eventually the lifestyle of a meek, submissive wife would turn into a fetish. Because it's a fetish, the liberals couldn't get angry. And since it's "traditional", the conservatives couldn't either.From a fetish of control to the legalization of voluntary slavery. It's a big jump, but as more people figure things out, we can make it happen. After all, prostitution is one step from becoming legal again, assuming Onlyfans doesn't already count.
>>11526313I should say that "trust among women" is mostly confined to the modern societal order in which women feel *safer* around other women than around men in situations involving sex and/or power. Being able to say "the *women* are in charge and setting the terms" on top of (true, provable) consent to the arrangement, then you have protection. Obviously, managing their competing egos and desires will be its own work, but that's one of the main tests of a master's abilities: keeping your lovely pets behaved and trained.Again, this is all early days / living this kind of life in the current world. If you're talking about bridging individual master/slaves households or sex communes, I've always advocated for claiming protections under the auspices of religion. At first you'll probably have to keep your behaviors confined to the home, other that of maybe wearing collars (or bullet vibes if you wanna roll the dice) outside. But if you have enough people to "rebrand" your fetish-reality-bubble into a religious order, you'll get social leeway to preach, convert and practice a few things more openly even before you start work on getting any of the "legal recognition" benefits.Religion (and ritualistic practice more broadly) is also an excellent tool for encouraging compliance and eroding the pesky sense of self, giving their individuality and will up to a collective goal: namely, your desires. Cult indoctrination techniques can definitely be introduced as "part of the roleplay" with the understanding that they probably will have their usual effects and lock them tighter into their submission. They should dress the same, they should be practice-drilled into unified behavior, they should be subject to thought-banishing mantras and encouraged to persist in a state of happy, weak-willed delirium through drugs, diet, and sex.As far as sharing, I'd advocate for look-but-no-touching. Sell cams and videos to subsidize the lifestyle, but real fun is for you and you alone.
>>11526313>>11526437>fetish of control to the legalization of voluntary slavery>master/slaves households or sex communes... claiming protections under the auspices of religionSex commune off in their own gated community, sound like something you'd be into?Restrictive membership for men and women, plus grooming women and using their cult tendencies.Group gets being enough breeding can handle keeping the whole thing going, relying less on recruiting women from the outside...Women can live entirely in this slave heaven, men handling interaction with outside worldAlso what would your dream sex commune/cult look like?>>11526313>fear of social exclusionEver thought of taking advantage of this to enslave/groom women?Socially isolating new women or finding emotionally vulnerable ones to bring them into the group.Bitch hierarchy games women placed above others with some power.Women at the top/bottom trying to one up each other in obeying the groups master/slave norms.
>>11527189I wasn't going to nitpick but man, this is such a terrible way to sell slaves.First, you can't tell how well-behaved they are. An eager slut and a new catch would look virtually identical to the potential buyers, forcing them to rely on the salesman's word. You think used car salesmen are bad or deceptive? This would be worse.Second, they're so strapped down that you'd need each slave pre-positioned because untying the previous slave, lugging them off stage, pulling the next one in, tying them up... Such a fucking hassle. Plus, no 360 views to see her body. And finally, it removes the weight of the event for the slave. She's just standing there, tied up, unable to see or interact with anything in any way. No presumed escape opportunity, no chance to fail or add uniqueness to the sales pitch. So much better if it's hyped up for months to the point she's visibly and audibly crying with anticipation or fear. An experienced whore would relish the opportunity to be ogled by dozens of men, especially when she's their singular focus.The better way to do this for broken-in slaves is a catwalk. A performance with all her information displayed on a screen behind her. When she reaches the end of the stage, she waits until she's sold then immediately heads over to wait by her new Master.For newly caught slaves, she'd be tied with ropes to a bar either above her or behind her. Given more than enough slack to allow her to presume various different positions. Either she obeys, she silently disobeys, or she viscously acts out. Every opportunity for her to disobey (especially considering the stakes) is another reason to either punish or reward her. The difficulty of a slave in tantrum can't really be fixed other than through physical force.
>>11527225Forgot pic. Translation:"Hey, so... The drugs we always give her haven't been working lately, have they?""That's right... Nothing we do to her seems to get a response anymore.""Man, it just isn't fun anymore if she won't react to anything.""Heh, well... If we're done with her, let's send her back where she came from then!""Oh, that's so sweet of you to think that...! Haha, alright then... I'll help you with it!"
How are dykes getting dealt with in a patriarchy?
>>11527465Ever heard of dykes get dicked?
>>11527465Lesbians don't exist. All women are, inherently, bisexual. They're attracted to power. Could mean physical power of muscles or machines, social power of status or fame, financial power... The sex doesn't really matter all that much. That said, romantic female partnerships never work out long-term. Which is why they seek men first.In a true patriarchal society, lesbians simply wouldn't exist. There'd be no feminism for them to rally behind, no man-bad agenda, no "women's rights" bullshit. If a slave feels her master is abusive or controlling, she'd best get used to it. Enough dick would turn any "lesbian" back to default settings or simply break her. A broken toy doesn't have a sexuality, after all.I know many men, myself included, finds the idea of girl-on-girl sex to be super hot. So unless a slave's master is exceptionally kind or she has significant value through some other means, it's really not even a factor.
>>11527465In addition to what others have said, if you monitor her properly, lesbian dommes have a certain sadism to them that a lot of men can't match. Plus no chance of them raping a slave during her training, since as we've established, lesbian sex isn't real sex
>>11527524Yeah I like the concept, any good dykes you'd like to take.
>>11529542>be me, a slaver living the dream>months of conditioning these sluts finally paying off>today the orange one got to be a lucky bitch and lap up her full daily load of thick, warm human and monster cum straight from a dog bowl>usually we syringe it into the other's stretched cunt or loose asshole and make her lick it out>gonna ransom them back to the monastery and make them forget about being a sex slave>they'll be back to normal until they get horny>won't be able to cum no matter what, stay perpetually horny>send a letter telling them to come back and we'll *fix* it>those bitches will either sell themselves back into slavery just for the hope of orgasm or go insane with unceasing lust>rinse and repeat a few times for free money>once they're too loose and mindbroken to be useful we'll toss 'em in the street>the white-haired bitch from last year is back again
I love it when a girl helps a man rape another
>>11528880This is an image I've seen before but seeing it here really awakened me.Imagine the fate of women who don't submit to the patriarchy. To prevent them from fostering rebellion, they're locked into secure asylum compounds where they can be rehabilitated. In reality, they're just being confined, not rehabilitated, and the staff regularly make money on the side by whoring out their patients.Once upon a time, these girls thought they would bring freedom to their sex. Now, they will languish in obscurity, semi-permanently shackled to a bed.
>>11514868This question definitely leans into the autistic side of this fetish, but:How should the hierarchy of women in a household be set up? There's a lot of bases to cover. You have your personal pleasure-girls. You have housemaids, cooks, servants, and performers. You need female supervisors, and you need a structure for those supervisors to all be working together cohesively. With all these women you also need support-women to handle things like doing their hair, makeup, bathing, healthcare, secretaries, etc. And that's not even mentioning trainers, teachers, torturers, security, or even huntresses to go out and find more slaves.Happy to hear any thoughts on how to manage women in bulk, or an entire system if you have one.
>>11530076In this world, birth rates are approximately 15:1 girls to boys.Most of the roles you mentioned can be consolidated into a small number of people. For example: housemaids, servants, and pleasure-girls would all be one role. If she's wearing gloves (or whatever signifier you'd like, others could be a choker, a specific hair style, the color green) then she's the one to call over if you need something done. Even if it's not something she personally carries out, she'll get the order where it needs to go.My hierarchy for a manor has always been something like this:The Lord and Master of the estateThe Lord's head wife (only because she carries with her the authority of her husband, still technically below any adult man)The other men living there, including of-age (6+ year old) sons, relatives, visitors, hired hands, etc. Specifics are dealt with as needed.Supervisor slaves, those women who have distinguished themselves at governing others (includes trainers, educators, accountants etc)Favored slaves, such as preferred concubines, geishas, entertainers, caretakers for childrenGeneral slaves, like nurses, cooks, servants. General "skilled" labor but easily replaceableGrunt slaves for everything elseA man who owns slaves but lives in another man's manor effectively "rents" his slaves to his Lord. Most every privilege is temporarily transferred to the Lord, with the exception of selling, pregnancies, and virginities. Should he leave the manor, his slaves will accompany him.
>>11530129With this setup, the Lord's estate is managed and run without input from him. Any man living in the manor is generally allowed to use most any slave as he wishes, provided it doesn't cause harm to the estate (such as her chores going undone). Because of this, there's a small surplus of slave-power for the menial tasks. As a side effect, more valuable slaves have more protection from such use.Only a slave's direct owner can get her pregnant, or allow her to become such. Advancements in fertility technology makes this easy, and so is tracking down illegal fathers.All children are raised together under the caregivers, with mothers/fathers optionally involved. When boys are 6 years old, they're apprenticed to their fathers and given full male privileges. It's expected that the boy abuses this power, but that's just part of the learning process. Exceptional girls (intelligent, beautiful, etc) are sent to school at 6. All others remain as carefree children until 10, at which point they begin shadowing other slaves to learn how to work.Each boy at 16 is customarily bought or given a slave of his choice by his father. Usually his caregiver or a highly skilled slave. At this point they either contribute to his Lord's household or leave to establish his own.Until girls are 16, her virginity is lawfully protected by her owner (usually father). He'll usually sell her and her virginity to some other man shortly before this point. Should some man take her virginity without permission before then, it's the legal equivalent of signing a blank check, as he's effectively purchasing her. Her owner may take her virginity at any point he desires, though she loses all sexual legal protections without it.Exceptional girls finish school at 16. Depending on her owner, she'll be sold at a much higher price or be kept as a member of her master's household.An average manor is between 30 and 200 people. There is always just one Lord, regardless of the number of slave owners.
>>11530129>>11530130What's your process for assigning a girl a role or promoting/demoting them? What's the incentive structure to make sure the slaves are still all doing their jobs well, training to improve their skills, or managing the other slaves correctly without your input?I think it's important for the estate to be able to fully run itself even if you were in a coma. As a man, you have more important things to worry about than whether your head-maid is holding her slaves to a high enough standard, or if your concubines are still faithfully trying to find ways to be more pleasurable.
>>11530197If I were in a coma, then my firstborn son takes over in my stead. My head wife would be 'demoted' and his 'promoted' during that time, as I would be unable to exercise my authority.This system isn't designed to work without a head of household. There are three primary reasons your slaves do as you say: Punishment, social conditioning, and inter-slave competition. Rewards are helpful, but not really a reason for a slave to obey.The first is self explanatory. She does poorly; she's punished. Whipping, chastity, food, the use of her limbs, there are countless options. Should she become too much of a hassle to deal with, she'll be sold. All her friends, family, and her way of life will be stripped away.The second comes from society and the government. Girls are treated as slaves since the day they're born. It's expected and required that they take pride in their work, else they'll be "fixed". It's just what happens. It's life.The final reason is competition between slaves. As we all know, women are prideful and secretive. Bullying, rumors, and social ostracizing are common, even in our current world. It's a girl's duty to be well-liked AND be effective and reliable. The effort a slave would go through to get even with another is nothing to scoff at. But since she'll be the one punished if their squabble harms the estate, the best thing she can do is show the other girl up. Prove why she's better.In my household, I'd pride myself on being a cruel yet fair Master. If she does well a slave can live comfortably and happily. If she doesn't, there are innumerable wealthy and sadistic masters she can be sold to. The drastic punishment/reward system also serves to emotionally condition her into love for me and her life. In this way, pregnancies are optional for each slave. She gets to choose. Thing is, all eventually do ask to have my children because of this conditioning. I make each love me, they're just women, after all. Easy to manipulate.
>"And here we are with the Empire´s first Quadrillionaire, Axel Walker after the release of his new IPO, MonsoonGames.">"Glad to talk to you again, Ashley. Glad to see you still work in Games Journalism!">"Again, My name is Aisha, and my Master promoted me to Stocks Journalism, thank you very much.">"No hard feelings, then?">"I shall be the one asking questions. Now, MonsoonGames has aquired some controversy by reviving Gacha Games, and joining them with the Academy System Raincoat Corp was used to. Is it not a Sin against Patriarchy to add Gambling into the common way Young Males purchase Concubines? Is it not fostering dangerous sentiments of Monogamy?">"Why, I still remember when I started financing Almond Blossom. I was told it was rekindling the Folly of Women´s Rights, by giving them education. Now, there is a branch on every colony of the Empire.">"Which leads me to my next question. To fill these Academies, Industrial Breeders have to produce specific breeds of girls year by year. Is it not harmful, to limit all females to a list of Archetypes sold by a corporation?">"Raincoat corp didn´t invent those Archetypes.We just took them from famous Public Domain Works, and delivered them to buyers.">"About those Works in Public Domain, here are some screenshots, compared with girls available right now on the most recent Banner for Gate of Fire, one of your Gacha Games. There is a noticeable increase in bust and ass size on there recruits, compared to their Archetypes.">"We can thank Changing Consumer Habits, and Advances in Bioengineering fot that.">"These girls are supposed to be real Frontier Colonist Troopers, defending the Empire from Gynocracy. What good does it do for them to be competing in mock mecha battles, performing idol concerts, and getting sponsorships and donations from "Commanders"?">"Most of the revenue goes to funding new colonies, and helping real veterans get their promised home and parcel of land after their tour of duty."
>>11530452>"How about the young men, donating money to play Mecha Battle Simulations secondhand? What good does it do to them spending all that money instead of just purchasing a girl the normal way?">"They are investing in the future of a promising athlete. In this way, they get to interact much more deeply with the Girl they will purchase than before. And even if they do not invest enough to get Concubine Rights, they will still profit from the winnings.">"What if they bet and sponsor on a losing girl? Does that not impunge upon Patriarchy´s promise? Be a productive man, get pussy?">"Underdogs are always adored, but unsuccessful Athletes are fast-tracked to graduation and delivered to their main sponsor, while bad bets are rewarded with in-game currency. You once were a Runner, right? Was your Master displeased with you when you fell behind, and he was able to purchase you?">"Anecdotal Evidence aside, what does it say for the future of females, when they all fall into one of three categories: Busty Ara-ara motherly types, Proud and Tsundere medium sized types, or Chaotic Gremlin Mesugakis?">"Patriarchs will always be able to pick and choose traits for their heirs, and there are New Girls created by enterprising tinkerers everywhere. After all, a Man can be set for life as a Breeder if one of his Concubines or Daughters becomes a famous waifu. He can keep producing girls with the same genetic strain to satisfy demand. Academies will be ringing his household for Future Female Contracts.">"I thank you for your time. Can you give us a preview of your next Gacha Game, now that you have achieved the Infinite Money Glitch?">"We will be cornering the Dairy Market Empire Wide with a Hucow management Simulator. We expect to make huge strides in the Weightlifting Sport, and Milking Industry. Men will finally be able to bet on how much milk can a frustrated and teased Hucow hold."
>>11527225>>11529558>>11530076>>11530452Can't ever tell with these threads, if the Patriarchy would be a nice place to live or not.Threads goes from treating women like disposable toys or over protected pets.What up with that?
>>11530943That is the balance that a Patriarchal society needs to have. Women are mostly Overprotected Pets, but enough of them have to be publically treated like Disposable Toys for Women to believe that fighting for rights and stepping out of the protection of their Masters is not worth it.
>>11530130>virginity is lawfully protected by her owner (usually father)>owner may take her virginity at any point he desiresThis an implication of incest? Or more along the lines of women being "Broken in" after being sold as a ritualistic type deal?>>11530130>>11530377>she loses all sexual legal protections without it>expected and required that they take pride in their workWhat's your society's view on sex work? not just being used by master but whored out?Is it negative like non-virgin women are spiritually tainted or a /d/ sex positive, women fulfilling their duty as pleasure toys for men?
>>11530943>Threads goes from treating women like disposable toys or over protected pets.If a girl is treated like nothing or she's in distress, your kindness means a lot to her, and it's voluntary. Your sadism is empowered, and your kindness, if you choose to give it, is actually meaningful.Compare that to feminist-land where your sadism has to be completely withheld because just raising your voice is basically illegal. And anyone who's done a favor for a modern woman knows it's a waste of time. They have a hundred other people to bail them out (which you, as a man, don't have), and they'll squander whatever you do to help them (with decisions that, as a man, would ruin your entire life). Relations between men and women don't even make sense to me if the man isn't more powerful than her. They can't make good decisions, and need our labor and resources to survive, yet they're our peers? Our betters?
>>11531226Hear, hear!Feminine competition is implicit and forbidden to speak about. Masculine competition is explicit and trash talk is expected.I'd rather everyone know the rules of the game they play. Kinda sick of "you used a word I don't like but I never told you I don't like it so now I'm cutting contact, fuck you" after you go out of your way to help her. Sorry, but consensual sex being later defined as rape because she "regrets" it is so problematic. Makes any and all sex a fucking social and financial risk. Watch the pendulum swing...Real world problems aside, life really would be so much better as a true patriarchy. Women will squabble and whine regardless of their social position, so just put them at the bottom. If they can never be satisfied, then stop trying. Easy.
>>11530943This is the Patriarchy thread, broski. The only real pattern here is that women are considered inferior to men, everything else is variable. Monogamy to harems, cherished but unfortunately inferior partners to one-use toys, it's all included. Ask any successful womanizer even in our current world: Treating women like children is the most successful strategy out there.>>11531033>Implication of incest?Men father many children over the course of their lives. Assuming the 15:1 ratio holds true, each man would need at least 16 children just to replace himself, not including accidents or injuries. More likely, a man would need 20-30 kids, just to ensure he has two sons.The primary value of a daughter is her worth as a virgin slave at 16. Some wealthy men would find that that value isn't worth it, and would prefer the novel experience of bedding his young daughter. A man's first few daughters would be brought up with more care and love than the last few, simply because they came first. As such, those girls will be sold at 16. It's a combination of his love for her and the necessity of resources early in his life. The later daughters have less of each reason, and the father's fetishes have also likely matured. Incestuous sex isn't a crime nor really even looked down upon, at least so long as there is no child conceived. Even taking his daughter as early as 6 isn't really *wrong*, just wasteful. (ie: causes her sex addiction) It's normal to sterilize daughters a father intends to bed himself.>Sex work?I mean, there's nothing wrong with it. But why would you pay money to sleep with a whore if you have 10+ slaves of your own? If a girl catches your eye, it's more common to trade your own slave (or multiple) for her, if only temporarily. Slaves are often free-use within an estate. The fact whores don't really exist (outside of highly specialized girls most couldn't bare the resources to train) is merely because there's no demand for it.
I've decided to share my Owner's Mark. It also functions as the slave identifier. This symbol is tattooed onto each slave on the outward part of their bicep. Tattoos of a slave are never really removed, even if she changes owners. A slave who's been owned by 5 different Masters will have 5 different markings. Some choose brands, but most opt for tattoos. This way a runaway slave can be quickly identified and returned.This is my Owner's Mark, signifying that I own (or have at one point owned) the slave it's tattooed on. Girls born into my household will be marked on their 16th birthday. Until then, their mark is made with henna and reapplied as needed. Each is unique, though all are similar enough to be easily identified as mine. Any equipment or clothing that "belongs" to that slave will also have her mark on it. The provided image shows the symbol for slave 3-6-4, or 171 in decimal (after accounting for the lack of 0s).It consists of three horizontal lines. Each line has three spots for a "notch". The count starts at the lowest line as follows: 1 (- - -), 2 (- - |), 3 (- | -), 4 (| - -), 5 (| - |), 6 (- | |), 7 (| | -), 8 (| | |). 8 numbers per line across 3 lines equals space for 512 unique marks. If, for some reason, I need more, I'll change one or more lines from black/white to dark red, increasing the count from 8^3 to 16^3. White is used in place of black on dark-skinned slaves for higher contrast, though upkeep is more annoying.My estate's tattoo artist would likely be (one of) the estate's caretakers, though girls with talent and/or interest would be preferred. Since she'll be wearing this tattoo all her life, it's best that it's clean and exact.There's no real rhyme or reason of seniority between slaves using these marks. The only position with any significance to their mark is 1-1-1 (no notches) which would be given to my head wife. Signifiers of rank or authority are represented in other ways.
>>1153094>>11531226>Women to believe that fighting for rights and stepping out of the protection of their Masters is not worth it>your kindness means a lot to her, and it's voluntaryCould see this sort of thing being turned into public spectacle.Misbehaving women brought out weekly and given a punishments befitting their misdeeds.Spanking, whipping, etc. Pain play made into an artform that everyone can enjoy.>>11531263>Women will squabble and whine regardless of their social position, so just put them at the bottom.What does this thread think about daily Humiliation rituals(Speech, cultural practices, etc)?Message being "be a good girl don't think, just open your legs for master" kind of deal...
>>11531417meant to reply to >>11530949
>>11531417>What does this thread think about daily Humiliation rituals(Speech, cultural practices, etc)?I would save actual humiliation for punishment (or at least for fun). Rituals are more about affirming submission, and rules and etiquette are tests of that submission.An example of a ritual to affirm submission is a team of maids gathering in a room and room by one stripping, bowing before a seal that represents you, giving their gratitude and pledging their submission, and stating all the acts of service they intend to do that day. The social aspect of this ritual makes it extra potent because the women will compare each other's words of love, their promises, and their sincerity and will start to compete with each other. The ritual destroys her personal pride, but develops a new pride in being a good servant to her master. Etiquette would be something like bowing before entering the same room as master, or holding her hands together with palms up when speaking to a higher ranking woman. The purpose behind these is that there is no purpose. It's a great act of submission to show that you'll debase yourself just to show your inferiority to another. And failure to comply with rules lets everyone know that she needs more training time.
>>11531321>prefer the novel experience of bedding his young daughter>just wasteful. (ie: causes her sex addiction)Love the idea of incest becoming a sign of wealth/common practice for the upper class.Master has the resources to raise a daughter not for sale but his own personal use or it's done so his son can have a sister wife.For his slaves being chosen as a breeder to create these daughters is a sign of favor, master wants to keep her daughters in the family...>>11530377>have my children because of this conditioning>Incestuous sex isn't a crime... no child conceivedFunny just how perverted the patriarchy can get with how it values women...It's not Casing the dream of a fem CEO or anything like that.For slave women their highest calling is being a sex toy or breeder, nothing more complicated then that.it's almost an Idyllic life for women.>often free-use within an estate. The fact whores don't really existI'd take it further then that, mating and breeding is extremely libertine. Most births will be female so they're property anyways.Tracking paternity is only when aiming for heirs or other personal reasons
>>11531463>breeding is extremely libertineIt's less that pregnancy is "valuable" and more that it's inconvenient and expensive. The girl is unable to work for a good portion of that time (to ensure a healthy child) and has more needs.If anything, women beg for pregnancies. They get privileges while incapacitated, plus the euphoria of bearing their Master's child. And if that child is male... That slave's value just skyrockets. The chances of her being sold away becomes very slim.It should be noted that due to this sex-forward approach, actually giving birth becomes far less stressful. She's given adequate tools and training, since a newborn is almost always worth more than a woman past her prime. The more elderly ladies' value comes in the form of experience and willingness to teach those younger girls. A newborn's value has a few more factors: Possibility that the child is male, potential remarkable features (beauty, intellect, etc), the girl's innate value as a generic slave, plus overall strengthening morale throughout the estate.>Tracking paternity...Ancestry is extremely important among most Masters. First and foremost: If the child is male, he has a claim to his father's fortune. Especially if he's a firstborn son.Secondly, since a man has a dozen girls he can impregnate, he must choose those with the most desirable qualities. More valuable daughters and more capable sons.It's not uncommon to sell pregnant slaves. The buyer gets two for cheaper, while the seller doesn't need to put forth the resources for the mother and child. Should that child be a son, he's given back to his father in exchange for another slave.
>>11530943Everyone has a different idea about it.I think women should be definitely classified as humans beings, but they should not be given the same rights as men. That's just a retarded idea as we see in the modern world.There has to be a middle ground between full citizens of a state and "slaves" like we have understood it for most of human history.
>>11521322Don't forget that men are able to overpower you but are trivial to manipulate just by taking off your shirt! Under what circumstances could women ever hope to wield more power than in the arms of a big, strong man? They're like horses. Simply submit to their animal desires, let their big strong bodies pound that stupid girl boss stuff out of your head and you can then ride them to the stars if you want because they love you and want to give you whatever you want.I fucking hate feminists so goddamn much. They're anti human, anti woman, anti life.
>>11530943Like Free Cities, there are different patriarchies with some very friendly towards women as pampered pets, others treat them as disposable and yet others make a sport of who can degrade a women the most. It all depends on the rulers and the population's philosophy on women.
>>11531512>less that pregnancy is "valuable" and more that it's inconvenient and expensiveBirth control in all it's forms is readily available in the patriarchy, the catch?Women's fertility is entirely controlled my their master. Playing into >>11531765Feminists praise safe/effective birth control as giving women freedom, here it's another thing that's been used to control her.>women beg for pregnancies. They get privileges>euphoria of bearing their Master's childI'd like to assume 1 pregnancy for women is the "norm", but being a dedicated breeder is made into the highest reward for a woman.Masters mainly doing this for personal/eugenics reasons maybe she'll have the best daughters or he just keeps trying for male heirs!Life of total luxury for these women and all they have to do is "Be a good mother", Maid servants at her beck and call.Nurses to attend to her and her children, etc. It's one of the best lives a woman can have and it's all on collar & leash..>since a man has a dozen girls he can impregnateFunny to think of but image that instead of putting their effort towards feminism or education/independence.Women are instead plotting to get pregnant with master's children, trying to get a golden ticket to an easy life.Or they're such sex addicts they prefer being trained for sexual service.No point in advanced education and learning to "think like men", slave women have a natural anti-intellectual culture
>>11531452>Rituals are more about affirming submission, and rules and etiquette are tests of that submission>submission to show that you'll debase yourself just to show your inferiority to anotherAlso women who are "born slaves" internalize their place in society.Being an educated girl boss isn't something women in the patriarchy think or care about.Instead their whole sense of self worth is based on being a good slave and serving their owner.>>11531662>>11531784Always liked it when things lean more towards pets and women just as "2nd class".Obviously women are humans and should be treated properly but cant be trusted with any decision making.Being enslaved is "for their own good" kind of deal, even painful punishments are done in the name of reform
>>11531789>assume 1 pregnancy for women is the "norm"Actually, no. A good Master would never get a disloyal slave pregnant, or one who has some form of genetic disorder. In fact, "average" slaves are rarely impregnated. Pregnancy and giving birth changes a woman's hormone structure in such a way that gears her toward motherhood rather than service or sex. A slave who never becomes a mother remains most effective for pleasure.The adverse effects of one pregnancy tend to be greater than the added adverse effects of a third pregnancy, for example. Saggy breasts, stretch marks, hormone problems, incontinence, vaginal looseness, etc.In an average estate of 15 slaves, it can be assumed that about 3 of those girls are under 16. For the purposes of this example, they are not used for pleasure nor child-bearing. The remaining 12 slaves are probably split something like this:1 slave - Head wife, 2 children. She must remain useful and beautiful, but she still desires her husband's children.3 slaves - Breeders, 5 children each. Those who have served dutifully, or those involved in accidents where they're unable to do other work. Generally chosen for their genetics and status among other slaves.3 slaves - Outliers, 1 child each. Accidental pregnancies, one-time rewards, or other one-off pregnancies.5 slaves - Childless, no children. The default slave. Not remarkable enough (or have some "defect") to reproduce with or are barren.Not all breeders are pregnant at the same time, nor are all of the fertile at the same time. It's common that an owner's third slave (the first and second are used for administrative tasks/sex) is their first big purchase. She's likely just 16, and still a virgin. She'll be impregnated ASAP, and have children every year or two as long as she's able. While it may waste her later years' potential and beauty, it gives the Master a faster return on his investment. Beautiful and talented slaves sell for more.
>>11531992>Breeders, 5 children each... chosen for their genetics and status among other slaves>Outliers... one-time rewards, or other one-off pregnanciesCute, always loved the whole idea of patriarchy being pro-breeding, praising and rewarding mothers.A "vanilla" part of the fetish, but also a fun way to "demean" women. They aren't business leaders or highly educated, instead motherhood is seen as the best use of a good woman.>A slave who never becomes a mother remains most effective for pleasure.Are there slaves who are specially trained purely for pleasure?Sure domestic slaves will also be fucked, but I mean slaves whore's entire purpose is sex.They're trained for it and kept on birth control so they can devote themselves entirely to please men.Bonus if it's a Class/wealth thing, richer masters can afford these "no practical work" type slaves
>>11531992>She'll be impregnated ASAP, and have children every year or two as long as she's able... waste her later years' potential and beauty>Saggy breasts, stretch marks, vaginal looseness, etc.Turning young women into breeder MILFs, I see this a total win.There's the beauty of youth and that of a fertile mother.
>>11532027>slaves who are specially trained purely for pleasureNo. A Master, on an average day, might need sex 2 times. 3 times if he's particularly stressed. That means at MOST 6 hours of his day is spent having sex. Even he only ever fucked one slave, that would still mean she's idle for 8-10 hours a day. An idle slave is wasted value. (To be fair, a good portion of that time would be spend making herself beautiful, cleaning up, and resting)As I've already established, whoring out your girls isn't really something that happens. Why would any self-respecting man fuck a girl who still has another man's seed inside her when he has his own slave begging for sex?There are, however, slaves dedicated to pleasure and comfort. Geishas, courtesans, whatever you'd like to call them. Women whose sole purpose is to be by her Master's side and fulfill his needs. Massages, sex, personal service, entertainment (such as singing and dancing), and generally taking care of him.Outside of these specialists, sex is something all slaves are trained in. But it's never a bigger part of their day-to-day than whatever else they do. A cook will spend her day in the kitchen, except when she's called to her Master's chambers. A maid will spend her day cleaning and maintaining the manor, until she's told to bend over.
>>11518308The real life problem with sexual slavery is that you'd get bored of them pretty quickly.>Speak for yourself faggotIs what most of you will type, but in reality having a woman as a toy, completely subservient to a man, will just get normal after a month, cause our brains are meant to work that way, get used to shit.And after it's just normal, mots of you will simply toss the poor girl aside. One more hobby you've grown past. At best you'll sell them at a loss cause they're used by now, at worst you're gonna go Old Yeller on them behind the shed.Or even worse, you'll start craving more. And end up as a junkie, but for women in collars instead of heroin.So no, this is just fantasy and worldbuilding. Just like my other fetish, mind control.
>>11532420For some reason a bunch of people here (and in the slavery thread, too) seem to want slaves to be universally publicly available, which I truly don't understand. If I had my way, laying hands on someone else's slaves without permission (as well as many other property crimes) would get your hands cut off.>>11532499Have you never had an emotional attachment to anything in your life, ever? Of course it'd get mundane. That wouldn't make it any less special, or desirable.
>>11532521New captcha god damn it.Post more maids.
>>11531992>1st slave - Head wife>owner's third slave is their first big purchaseDoes the head wife get any say on who master brings home next?Picking breeders and maids from the market with your wife, and she's treating it a bit like "that bitch would have such cute daughters".Almost like buying "pets"And how does the buying/selling of slaves work?Auction houses, private man to man meetings, arraigned marriages...What's the take on cuckqueening?Wives finds women for her hubby to fuck/breed, A good Mother looks for slave wives for her sons, etc...>>11532420>slaves dedicated to pleasure and comfort>Women whose sole purpose is to be by her Master's sideGeishas/courtesans honestly love this concept, slave women being allowed to dedicate the entirety of their time to arts, culture, etc.Feminism forces women into work as inferior copies of men, yet slavery allows women to pursue the things that make life worth living.On that topic what would "Women's education"(domestic, maternal sexual, etc.) look like in your world?>sex is something all slaves are trained inHow open/lewd is the culture arround sex, is it hidden in bed rooms or something so common it's "any where, any time" and with any bitch you own?
>>11532499You're operating under the assumption that slaves lose their novelty, and without that novelty they're uninteresting. Wrong. In this case, the fantasy is that women are removed from the struggles of daily life. Men don't need to struggle to appease women, and women don't get in the way of business.Firstly, slaves aren't perfect. They screw up; they need discipline, training, and encouragement. Secondly, a man's effort (apart from training) is put toward other things, that's where his focus lies and where his daily challenge comes from. Thirdly, even should a man get bored of his slave, he wouldn't just "get rid of her"; she has use that doesn't require direct interaction. Worst case scenario (for her) is she gets traded or sold to a more cruel Master. Owners who enjoy the process of breaking slaves will just get hired by other owners to train theirs.Stop invading the space of those who enjoy with fetish spouting your "women should have rights" bullshit. There are other places for that.>>11532521>want slaves to be universally publicly accessibleI agree, partially. A slave is a man's property. No other men would go touching her in the same way he'd never go drive another guy's car. But should you invite a man into your home, especially overnight, you're entrusting your property to him. Unless explicitly told otherwise, a man has access to the estate's kitchen, can make requests for his room to be cleaned, or take a low-ranking maid for the day.>Hands cut offMen are the backbone of society. Directly punishing men for non-destructive crimes is rare, more normally it's a fine or requisition of assets. But it's common that slaves who disobey and commit crimes are punished by their Masters (who are legally held responsible for the crime the slaves cause).
>>11532521>Have you never had an emotional attachment to anything in your life, ever? Of course it'd get mundane. That wouldn't make it any less special, or desirable.Yeah humans will get attached to their roomba. slaves are slightly more personable than that on average. I really doubt disposing of them after growing bored in a month is a widespread problem.
>>11532647>Head wife get any sayDepends on her Master. She's still a woman, after all. She only holds any authority because she's implicitly and expressly trusted by her husband.For me, I'd encourage it. She's the one who'll be interacting with them most often. It would be less like "This bitch is cute. I want her" and more like "I think this girl is to your tastes".>Buying/selling slavesSo long as there's a valid contract, however the Masters agree. As I've stated before, a boy's first slave is of his choice and given to him at 16 years old by his father. Normally this is a slave the father already owns, and more than probably is highly valuable.Past that, auctions are common when there's a large number of slaves who need homes. Should a Master die without any sons and nothing is specified in his will (if there is one), those slaves will be sold off in an auction. Male relatives receive discounts on purchasing them, depending on relation. (Brothers get 50% off, cousins 30%, etc)Auctions can be held in other circumstances; this is only one.>CuckqueaningHot as HELL. Of course, each man decides for himself and his household, but holy shit I'd make absolutely sure my head wife partakes. Finding new slaves and watching her get fucked, making sure she's doing it right... Yes all the way.Outside of sex, it's pretty much expected. A dedicated slave will seek for her Master's happiness, so a wife will look for good sluts and potential mothers.>Women's educationAs I've stated in one of my previous posts (>>11530130), school is for the gifted girls only. They'll be educated according to her abilities and potential. All other girls learn everything they need to know from their caretaker and others in the household.Another option is this post (>>11517266 love the pic I chose). It would implicate a greater emphasis on a central society, like private schools or government. The more I think about it, the more I like this option.Man, I've posted a lot here.
>>11532715>doubt disposing of them after growing bored in a month is a widespread problemOdd point, on world building but Society at large might look down on masters cycling through slaves.Shows a lack of responsibility, along the lines of buying a pet and not caring for it afterwards.Playing into >>11531321 it's also selling used goods once you've taken her virginity or bred her.It's one thing to buy a woman, put her in a chastity belt to train/educate her for resale.It's another to sell the mother of your daughters, or a love sick slave whos madly devoted to you.This sort of stuff certainly leans into the paternalistic side of slavery...>>11532722>she's implicitly and expressly trusted by her husband>wife will look for good sluts and potential mothersWives are given the most freedom and responsibilities, Lewd ones too.Picking out then training sex slaves for hubby is expected of a wife, as is managing the cycles of the breeding slaves.She isn't just passively in the cuck chair wives often arrange for other women to be bred by her hubby...>valid contract, however the Masters agree>Auctions can be held in other circumstancesNice to see slavery here is more on a personal level, there's nothing dystopian like industrial scale "puppy mills" for slave women.It's masters with their wives and breeders doing things the natural & humane way.This way of rearing slaves is also good for fostering women's devotion to their own enslavement.>>11531340>Owner's MarkWas hoping Dog tags or women being chipped like pets is the standard for displaying ownership(ease of access to info).Instead womb tattoos, family crest tattoos, etc. become significant symbols for women.It's a sign master is keeping you for himself, slaves at market have clean virgin bodies.A tattoo is a strong sign of who'll be keeping her for the rest of her life.
>>11532986I'm very much of the "human pet" school; in terms of what expectations an owned woman has of her master. There are also just purely practical concerns even if you consider them nothing but property and the fact they are alive irrelevant. Capital punishment should be fully up to the master's discretion but only so far as any damage or markings are impermanent. Animal negligence/cruelty has advocacy groups to fight it and penalties that extend into fines, jail time and forfeiture; it stands to reason that at least some similar protections would apply, at least in more civilized patriarchies. Besides, even if she's your property to do with as you please, why would you be so intent on wrecking your own things and tanking resale value? If you get a reputation for running through the women you acquire like tissues, reputable sellers are going to stay away from you!Even ID tattoos should be considered a bit of a gray area, IMO; if you ever plan on trade or resale, you should be responsible for their removal if the new owner doesn't want them, or they should be applied with something like henna, durable to a point but ultimately temporary.If being owned by an abuser is perpetual Hell on earth, even a slave may revolt in desperation. Keeping them compliant and docile means you have to offer them juuuust enough comfort and protection (if they do as they're told and conform to the demands of society and their keeper) that they have something to risk losing if they misbehave. A master, ideally, has the authority to command and decide for his women because he provides the material necessities, comfort, simplicity and purpose they could never obtain under a "free" life.
>>11532986>Selling used goods once you've taken her virginityMostly, yes. But a well-trained, yet used slave who's only in her middle 20's is likely sold for more than your average 16 year old virgin. Especially to younger Masters, who value the work a slave does more highly than her sexual skill. Hell, a devoted, educated, and experienced slave trainer in her 30's is probably worth more than either. Those in need of such a woman are probably those who have the wealth to spare for her.>Buy a woman, put her in a chastity belt to train/educate her for resaleFor the most part this is a bad idea. Firstly, a woman's virginity is only protected by the government until 16 years old. Before that point, the chastity belt doesn't serve a purpose. After that point, you're wasting her youthful sex drive. Finding a virgin who's even 18 is one in a hundred thousand, not including those with STDs.That said, I'd enjoy an anal-only slave. A girl who's a virgin, pussy pierced shut and maybe her clitoris removed. Even if you gave her the choice, she'd be so hooked on getting her ass pounded she'd never want her vagina touched. Easily one of the most sexually depraved slaves, yet somehow the most "chaste".>Women being chippedIf these chips are merely like QR codes, that's probably fine. But if it's a chip that allows tracking (or worse, remote torturing or killing) a slave, I'd be against it. There are probably those Masters who prefer having so much control over their property, but I'm of the persuasion that the most effective bonds are emotional. A slave who loves her Master would never run away or betray him.My world here is a mostly libertarian one, where the government is hands-off in most affairs. Why would there need to be authoritative control when there's no free women to wreck the peace?
>>11533055>Punishment should be fully up to the master's discretionYes.>but only so far as any damage or markings are impermanentWhat? Why? If a Master wishes to scar, tattoo, brand, or otherwise mark his slave, why shouldn't he? In practical purposes, if you have a group of 10 rebelling slaves, how do you solve the problem? Grab the leader/instigator and punish her in front of the others. You keep control of all 10 slaves at the cost of lowering the value of one. Far better for the owner than losing all 10, no?>[Animals have] advocacy groupsWomen are slaves, not animals. A man who routinely tortures or kills his slaves is despised by his community, but no legal action is taken. Sellers who care about those kinds of ethics may raise their prices for that man, or simply refuse to sell to him. Such a man would have a hard time maintaining his household. Unhealthy or wounded slaves are far less productive. Slaves who end up dead lose ALL value, period.The minimum care and treatment of slaves isn't required, merely practical.>Tattoos should be considered a... gray areaIf you buy a car, you'd like to know how many people have owned it in the past. Tattoos and brands are used both as a method of tracing a slave's history and as a mark of pride (or shame) for her.Removing tattoos is costly and often imperfect. Buyers are wary of slaves with tampered records, as well they should be. Having what you thought is a docile, well-mannered slave suddenly act out in violence because she's traumatized is NOT healthy for any party involved.>Something like hennaThat's what children are marked with before they're 16. Their skin stretches and grows, deforming permanent tattoos until (approximately) that point.>Under a "free" lifeBlasphemy!
>>11533505>chips are merely like QR codesSomething like that, with a surface tattoo to make it easy to read the chip.Has master's info, her personal data and can also function like a charge card.Generally I like the idea of the patriarchy creating hug box type life for good girls, everything runs smoothly.Nothing for women to worry about except pleasing her master.>devoted, educated, and experienced slave trainer in her 30'sWomen actively supporting their enslavement is the most lewd part of the fetish.Mothers train daughters for sale, Head mistress picking out fresh girls for her man, etc.Like a /d/ take on the "older sister" or Harem mother trope...>>11533055>punishmentWhy not play into fem on fem power dynamics?Wives/ Head mistresses handle regular discipline of women under her, think a strict but fair mother.Should master get involved personally is for severe issues.>>11533518>Tattoos and brands... mark of pride (or shame) for herPregnancy tallies and perhaps tattoos that mark a woman's pedigree.All in on pro-fertility propaganda for women, she's a good breeder & mother that's something to pride herself on.Or she's from a well bred & trained linage, she knows it's her duty to ensure the bloodline doesn't end with her!
>>11533518Like I said, capital punishment within reason is perfectly acceptable, and would of course be encouraged in the face of disobedience, but there's a lot you can do without resorting to permanent disfigurement. Binding, bruising, and any level of psychological manipulation would be at your disposal, just nothing that "damages the paint job" so to speak. Brands and ID tattoos might be fun, but in the face of RFID collars or even getting your women chipped; you're free to do them, but if they do get sold to someone who wants them gone you'll usually pay for the laser removal as the seller, or at least knock the price down if it's anything more elaborate than a barcode.Where exactly the line is will vary from region to region, country to country, but any patriarchy worth its salt would likely have at least a system for rescue adoptions from masters that demonstrate lack of basic fitness or succumb to blood frenzy.
What do you guys think on the use of freedom for your slaves?I think the carrot of freedom should exist, even as a legal process that's supported by the government. Enslaved women all over the country/kingdom should have the right to appeal for freedom, and after a legal process, be free from slavery. Obviously this should be something only the very best of slaves should be able to achieve.However, since they live in a world where slaves exist, there's not much they can do in the end with their freedom. No one is paying a woman for the labor she can provide when you can just buy a slave. No one is looking to marry a free independent woman since that's far too much of a hassle, no one is looking to even associate with a woman who can talk back. So in the end their only recourse is to go back willingly into slavery. It's either that or make a living as a cheap whore in the outskirts of town, where criminals, the poor, and other such undesirables who cannot own a slave due to legal or monetary problems pay to get it on with a "slave"
>>11533742>What do you guys think on the use of freedom for your slave?Sounds like you convinced yourself of why that's a bad idea
>>11533742>>11533754Yes and no. Offer it, set them up to fail, then whenever anyone asks you use that as proof that it just doesn't work and being kept is the only way women can properly function. (You also have to make sure any existing historical record of "free' women paints them as miserable and unhappy and part of a system that was broken and ultimately unsustainable.)
>>11533742>What do you guys think on the use of freedom for your slaves?>since they live in a world where slaves exist, there's not much they can do in the end with their freedomFunny idea but I'd like to think freedom for slaves is a threat.Means being thrown out on your own and surviving without a collar for potection.Keep in mind most slave women have never had to run their own lives, always had someone's order's to follow.>>11533968>existing historical record of "free' women paints them as miserableAlso amp it up with the fact being free means getting separated form her current social circle and society at large treating "free" women as outsidersLots of cults use social tools like this for control...
>>11526437Not aware of any mainstream religion that would do anything remotely similar. That's just your goon fantasy.
>>11535754Wow, look at Einstein here figuring out the theory of relativity. What's next? are you gonna figure out quantum mechanics too? Fucking useless faggot.
In a more fantastical setting, what do you guys think of surgeries or magical transformations?Taking wings, horns, or a tail off? Turning a human into a catgirl? Removing the teeth of a wolfgirl to make her more submissive, stuff like that?
>>11536044Cowgirls! Where do I sign up?
>>11536044Depends on the level of training and value they have. The less important they get, the more likely they are to have things removed.Horns get cut down and rounded off, with just enough left to serve as comfortable handles. Wings get docked if there's any escape risk, but if they're just vestigial then they usually stay. Tails, if prehensile, are quite helpful for domestic work and so are almost always kept.
>>11536044>>11536141>think of surgeries or magical transformations?Why not just go all the way to eugenics too.The whole "Monster girls are female only", wild captured ones require surgical changes.Ones Captured then bred in captivity creating domestic slave races.Think wolfgirls being bred into dog-girls
>>11536044I’m kinda with anon, >>11536141However, I’d propose another angle, which is that the more you take away, the less useful they are for any labor outside being fucktoys, so in other words, keeping a woman/monstergirl that can’t work is both a status symbol and the closest thing these things will ever know to “marriage”, so they might even come to see it as a reward as you’re destroying all of her resale value and not getting rid of her. (Immediately, obviously how long you keep them is up to you.)
Warning: This story worldbuilds the history of a patriarchal society, but isn't very lewd.The continent is characterized by a reproductive defect which causes carriers to produce overwhelmingly female offspring. It is believed that this genetic condition spread throughout the population through the continent's large slave-class which it maintained through Rodell's Manumission due to the later being forced to redirect his attention when the rebellion of 563 broke out. Since then, the continent has served primarily as a commerce partner with the nations of our land. Primarily in the slave-trade. The import and export of which ebb and flow. It is believed that periods of prosperity cause the residents to import slaves to sate the current demand, and the increased rate of reproduction causes a later glut of slaves which creates periods in which slaves are primarily exported rather than imported. The tax records of the Athalians to our north contain tariffs collected on imported slaves, and the King of that land's per capita slave-tax which has existed for many generations, revealed to scholars that these cycles of mass-exports of slaves to our own continent are directly correlated with the reintroduction of that institution after the Manumission. Periods in which imports were predominant are believed to have induced violence in our lands for the procurement of slaves, however, that is not as easily confirmed in archives.Cont.
>>11536949A unique feature of these peoples is their warfare, which is antiquated compared to the techniques of us and our peers. Because the lives of men are highly valued on the continent, there has been little desire to develop or replicate weapons which cause greater casualties. Though many traditional weapons such as bows and arrows are employed, melee combat is the standard, which is seen as the most humane and non-lethal style of combat. The loss of male-life is seen as a tragedy by neutral factions, who urge those at war to end their violence. And the taking of captives for future ransom is seen as the greatest sign of accomplishment. The military style of these peoples can be described as an emphasis on either heavy-melee troops or highly mobile troops which can be used to destabilize and route enemy formations with minimal combat; a style of warfare which values the courage of soldiers and the tactical ability of commanders. This backwardness in the military art has tempted many expeditions against these peoples.However, no expedition has ever succeeded in compromising the sovereignty of that continent. The logistical demands of supplying armies across the sea has made fielding sufficient numbers in that land an ambition few have realized. Though divided into countless fiefdoms, the lords and sovereigns maintain hundreds of individual ties with the other lords, creating a web in which every lord no matter how minuscule is only a few degrees removed from any other lord, be he distant or mighty. In arduous times, this web quickly forges large coalitions against any internal nation which violates the norms of that land, and organizing resistance to any foreign invasion. Thus many initially successful conquests of territory along the sea were later reversed following battles with increasingly larger coalition armies.Cont
>>11536950The most renown expedition against the continent was lead by General Anu who in the years 1327 and 1328 succeeded in conquering the peoples of Basis and Dellius, and in the warring season defeated coalitions in 1329 and 1330. In 1334, General Anu launched a campaign to subjugate the interior of the continent. His scouts located a river which dried in the season's heat and created a marshy terrain obscured by the wall grass in it and the surrounding fields. Knowing the coalition army would use this as a natural defensive line against him, he maneuvered his army towards the river to draw them into taking that position. Meanwhile, elite troops were sent to flank the enemy. Anu's battleplan was to concentrate his veteran soldiers in his center, and those troops along with the flanking troops would break the coalition's center. This would be followed by his weaker troops on his left and right attacking to pin down the whole line of the coalition army.Cont.
>>11536951However, when the elite flanking troops arrived, they found their allies in the main army defeated. It happened that upon Anu's main-attack against the enemy center, the less disciplined troops in his flanks immediately began to flee. Many even running up to and embracing the enemy. After so many years of exposure, they knew the immense mercy of their foe, and felt no reason to risk their lives prosecuting the war against them. Because the coalition scouts detected the flanking troops early, and a contingent of their reserve was sent to slow them down, the coalition line was weak enough for Anu's center to succeed in crossing the marsh. This, unfortunately, only made its position worse, as after the defections, the coalition quickly moved soldiers to the opposite side of the marsh, cutting off the retreat route for the remnants of the army. General Anu ordered three strikes around him to buy time as the majority of his army tried fighting their way back across the marsh. The flanking troops, rather than retreat, charged the coalition army, hoping to distract them enough to let the main army escape.Cont.
>>11536952These soldiers succeeded in crossing the marsh and returning to camp, where they quickly retreated back to Dellius. However, General Anu and his bodyguards were surrounded and captured. That evening, he was invited to the celebratory feast, and the following morning he and his retinue were allowed to return to their main army; it being a tradition in that continent to free opponents who were seen as particularly heroic or genius. Following the defeat, the coalition retook the land of Dellius. Its offensive stalled in Basis, and the Senate unwilling to finance the expedition any longer agreed to a treaty to withdraw from Basis in exchange for monetary compensation. Upon returning home, General Anu was granted a duchy for his service, which his descendants rule to this day; and it is popular opinion that his expedition's failure was due to lack of support from the homeland. No expedition has been seriously considered by any nation in the century since.Cont.
>>11536953There is a single expedition which is considered a success, that of 866, in which large swatches of territory were captured by a Mantaean expedition and colonized by its people. When the Mantaean homeland in our continent was lost to the Athalians, the newly conquered land on the continent became home to the Mantaean capitol. Though the Mantaeans had brought many of their own to this colony, by commerce and time, they intermingled with the continent's natives and the reproductive defect soon spread among them. Because of the rapid reproduction in people who carry this defect, it quickly spread among nearly all the colonists. The Mantaeans adopted, both by imitation and through organic development, many customs of that continent and so became nearly indistinguishable from them. The nobility of the former Mantaean lands still maintain a caste whereby only those free of the reproductive defect may inherit the noble titles originally established during their conquest; through, those bearing the defect were slowly allowed to be enfeoffed to new titles. Many titles have gone vacant due to the lack of a valid heir.The tale of the Mantaeans has caused much fear in our lands that the reproductive defect may spread here. In particular our women are cautious against this, and the ladies of the nobility demand that carriers, who are mostly imported slaves, be sterilized or even proscribed. As such, the defect has been largely curtailed in our land, and mostly exists among commercial slave-breeders. However, the defect is particularly dangerous because a single host can result in a whole village being compromised within a few generations. Whole townships have been purged at times to prevent the spread of the defect. These atrocities primarily happen under queens who see the massacre as necessary to protect the women of the realm.Cont
>>11536954Despite the efforts to stop its spread, their is little hope to permanently suppress it because of the black market where men who could normally not afford a slave will happily buy an imported one at a steep discount. When mathematicians announced that the defect may have hit a critical threshold at which it would be impossible to stop, the response to this was a greater hysteria to destroy the carriers, though these efforts will almost certainly be futile due to the defect's tenacity and geographic spread. Even if every carrier were to be eliminated, it would only take a single trade ship to reintroduce it to us.End.
>>11536949>Uses no images>7 messages in a row>"Warning: Story isn't lewd"Is this the stupidest yet most based person alive?
>>11536954>>11536955>>11536954>rapid reproduction in people who carry this defect>defect's tenacity and geographic spreadGiven that there's free trade of slave women is the spread of the "defect" purposely used like a bio weapons?Slave women exported to mate with outsiders spreading it further and taking over though population/cultural replacement..>>11536954>atrocities primarily happen under queensAny fun "fall from grace" plans for these Royal women?Public humiliation, Royal whores once conquered, etc.>>11536954>adopted, both by imitation and through organic development, many customs of that continentMind going into detail on what kind of lewd cultural/mating practices the natives use to deal with this "Defect"?Do the Mantaeans copy it whole sale or have their own lewd spin on it?
>>11536969I was worried any images I found wouldn't go well with the story. In retrospect, you're right that it's retarded because my story went for a worldbuilding route instead of a lewd one, so pictures would have helped sexualize it more.>>11537788>Given that there's free trade of slave women is the spread of the "defect" purposely used like a bio weapons?>Slave women exported to mate with outsiders spreading it further and taking over though population/cultural replacement..Very cool idea, but I wasn't picturing that happening. The people on the continent don't discriminate against those lacking the "defect", or concern themselves with trying to spread their ways. The theme I was trying to go for is that the "defect" spreads passively on its own, so even if you conquered the continent, the continent would conquer you.My idea with the "defect"'s presence on the mainland is that it's this ever-present danger that is basically assured to win in time, no matter how many seeming successes the more female-friendly governments there have in curtailing it. It's like a people panicking and trying to defend themselves against an impending utopia, and for the more feminist-minded, a disease they know will kill them one day. The flipside of this fear and hysteria is the culture (that will soon be theirs) which is so honorable that it let General Anu return to his army.
>>11537788>Any fun "fall from grace" plans for these Royal women?>Public humiliation, Royal whores once conquered, etc.If a population has rapid demographic changes, it's possible that something like this happens in the midst of the upheaval. But it's not a setting where every man suddenly goes full /patriarchy/. The idea is that human cultures naturally organize themselves along the continent's customs and gender-roles when the birthrate is so heavily skewed. That's what the story of the Mantaeans illustrates.Even in kingdoms that maintain order, there's still a torturous thought in the minds of all the noble-ladies. "How can we stop the defect?" The queen of a thousand year old dynasty will rule with unquestioned authority and live in luxury, yet every day she asks the question "Will my granddaughter be a slave?"Most transitions happen gradually. Occasionally, you'll see a society become super-feminist in its effort to fight its "defective" neighbors, which makes their fate all the more miserable when they lose a war, because the conquerors are quick to punish the women by enslaving without exception. Interestingly, when a culture that has matured in patriarchy conquers an uninfected one, they kind of struggle to assimilate the conquered people. They're so used to slavery that a lot of them genuinely don't understand why their captive princess, clutched from a palace full of servants doesn't appreciate wearing lingerie 24/7 and eating out of a dog bowl. "Why's she so moody?"
>>11537788>Mind going into detail on what kind of lewd cultural/mating practices the natives use to deal with this "Defect"?At first, a society doesn't fully understand what being overwhelmingly female does. They may largely ignore it since it will take decades for those kids to grow up and become the majority. When the disparity does become clear, the first thing people notice is the shortage in manpower. Jobs that you would really rather a male do, such as fighting or heavy-labor, are now in high demand. Just being born a man means you'll make great money doing any kind of job.Women are suddenly struggling to find husbands. Men who are poor and ugly who spent their lives alone are starting to get wives and girlfriends, for the first time in their life. Influential families will offer dowries and titles of nobility to men to marry their daughters, which only catalyzes the rush of wealth and power into the hands of men. A common route in life for men is to do a stint in the army, and spend the next several years doing odd jobs and sleeping around until you settle in your 30's and marry a rich girl (who has no choice but to look the other way when you cheat on her; many are even compelled into spending their money on gifts and allowances for the prettier mistresses who visit her house to cuck her).After a few generations, society develops three classes of women: elite women, free-women, and slave-women. The elite women are either free or married. They're wealthy. They typically either boss around the free-women or directly administer the slave-women. They're the ultimate gender-traitors and will happily say the world belongs to men as they sip on a glass of wine worth more than your house. The two biggest flexes for an elite-woman are having sons and having slaves.cont.
>>11537844Elite women will take any male-children born from the women beneath them to raise as their own with the help of nanny and wet-nurse slaves. Though, the biological mothers are almost always given a much more comfortable job, and are kept nearby so that the sons don't grow up with any resentment or sadness. A male's biological mother almost always ends up freed, either by the elite-woman or by the son. Elite women love keeping their sons nearby to show off their status. It's common in business meetings for them to bring their son in the room to either rest in their arms or play (sometimes loudly). To the elite-woman this asserts your dominance.Her female-slaves aren't so lucky. Because having female slaves is a status symbol, it's fashionable to use them in increasingly wasteful ways. You only need so many servants. But what about the harem of beautiful women for your husband who doesn't exist? What about the artists and scholars who live under your thumb? What about the girl who you just keep in a cage in that room people don't go to often? What about those girls you keep in the dungeon to torture in the ultimate show of excess?It's a patriarchal society, but the elite women are the true drivers of excess and misery. They're the ones keeping the boot on female faces forever. Marrying an elite girl can actually be somewhat difficult, but if you do, she's already built the perfect little paradise for you to move into and rule. Extremely powerful men will be married to multiple elite-women. It's also not uncommon for an elite-woman to stay unmarried, but maintain alliances with men, especially influential ones. There's a law that a man always has the right to claim his son and his mother, so not only do you have to pay men to come breed your slaves, you need to pay them A LOT if you want to keep any sons they may have.
>>11537855Free-women are basically the middle-class of society. They aren't as interesting. They basically do the office jobs and semi-skilled labor. They keep the cities running. Where elite-women are characterized by their cruelty to other women, free-women are characterized by their love of men. They're complete simps. They love romance books. They treat men very well in public. There's no illusions to them about the immense value having a man adds to your life. Unfortunately for them, almost none will get married. You'd have to look like an actress to have a bodycount in the high-double digits. For most free-women, their only chance to bag a man is to sell themselves into slavery, which most still aren't willing to do. They have golden handcuffs to their current spot in life, and can't seem to move up, and aren't willing to let themselves move down. Most ultimately settle for lesbian relationships because having a partner is still very convenient for life.The government finds them very convenient and actually has a lottery for men from the army to sleep with them, so that they can have children and keep the numbers of free-women up. Unfortunately, under the law, no woman is "technically" free. All woman are owned by another, and it is the source of both their rights and their submission. Free-women just sign deals with completely hands off elite-women who let them do whatever they'd like. The only problem with this is that those fortunate enough to have sons may find them confiscated as property of her owner. Elite-women are also technically owned, but it's typically by feudal lords who let them be so long as they pay their tribute. A side effect of using this tribute as taxation is that all men are tax-exempt.
>>11537858Slave-women are exactly what you'd expect. They're property that can be bought and sold, but in practice commercial slave-breeders and "acquirers" are 99% of slave sales. Selling a slave you already own is somewhat taboo, like selling a pet would be. For an elite-woman, it might hurt her reputation "Couldn't handle a slave who wasn't broken for you?" people might say. Slave women do all the drudge work in society. They flip the burgers. They staff the expansive estates. Any time there's a problem, your thought process is "Why would my solution be better than having a slave do it?" Most will live their content, modest lives. There may be sadistic masters and mistresses out there, but the stories of women killing a hundred women a day in their torture-orgies are just tales.What people often don't appreciate enough about slave-women is their rich and expansive culture. Over the centuries, slave-women have developed a profound sense of religiosity, and can have surprisingly nuanced worldviews. The two main themes of slave-religion are worship of their betters and personal enlightenment. Phallic worship predominates those who worship their betters, and many are even superstitious and think that semen and sex with men will have magical results. Some take a more intellectual approach and make some very convincing arguments for why society benefits from being organized how it is. "Good Sister Philosophy" curiously puts its emphasis on venerating elite-women and female-overseers. They believe that they're actually doing the hard working of developing women into overcoming their inferiority, and that one day women will catch up to men. Note that they think it's the under-slaves being developed. They do not believe the overseers being "manlike" is development. It's actually often seen as unfortunate for them because they don't get to join in development; overseeing other women is the ultimate act of charity, and deserves the ultimate love.
>>11537867The religions which focus on personal enlightenment can be very similar to Buddhism. Slavery and submission may be revered for forcibly eradicating one's ego. Pain or unhappiness can be interpreted as a byproduct of being unenlightened, but more dangerously pain can be seen as enlightening or proof that one is shedding their ego. If you see a copy of the books "Liberation of the Tormented" or "Doctrine in Four Stages: The Evolution of Soul", be careful. Their teachings are inherently sadistic. There are some instances where their devotees snap and start capturing and torturing people. Their scholars often bemoan "theatric" tortures and say that a science of torture should be developed. On the flip side of this, there are cults of ecstasy who worship pleasure as a sign of transcending ego. Note that Good Sister Philosophy is technically under the camp which worships superiors, but the orthodox see is as a way to sneak in the philosophies of personal enlightenment.Culture among women actually trickles up from the slave class. You'll see free-women and elite-women adopt these philosophies, but more toned down or suited to their purposes. Slave-culture goes well beyond religion, and their influence can be seen on every form of culture. Music. Painting. There's a whole literary movement of anonymous slave-writers. Society is captivated by the idea that the little slave-girl taking your order at a restaurant might actually be a genius novelist.You can get very content with life as a slave-woman. You have a master or overseers to serve and impress. You have a purpose and clear tasks. You don't have to worry about much since all of life's thinking is done for you. And in your down time, you still have recreational activities, your slave-sisters to spend time with, and a beautiful culture to enrich your mind with. It's no longer possible to free most slave-women. They want it. They like it. And they know nothing else, nor do they want to know anything else.
>>11537788>Do the Mantaeans copy it whole sale or have their own lewd spin on it?I'm sure you can imagine the Mantaeans having a lot of fun with such easy access to women during their early years on the continent, but what happens after three hundred years?They did consciously adopt some of the local ways for diplomatic reasons, or because they thought it through and figured it was a good fit for them. Most of these changes actually happen slowly over time and don't need external influence. The customs are just a natural progression from having that sort of gender-imbalance. There's a psychological theme at play here that eventually everyone in the world will have the "defect" and because of how human nature works, every single society will develop in the same way. Even those historically aware enough to see the pattern can't fight against it. This is a world where reality itself is patriarchal.
>>11536949>>11537831>>11537835Very interesting idea for a setting. I especially like this realistic, nuanced approach to culture development. Also, military logistics. As a fellow lore writer, it's nice to see someone doing good work. Do you plan to expand it? There seem to be a lot of potential, especially more detail on how society on continent works.>In retrospect, because my story went for a worldbuilding route instead of a lewd one, so pictures would have helped sexualize it more.Yeah, I did so in my lore document that I'm working on. I was worried that my world-building was dull, so I tried my best to spice the descriptions up and added pictures with captions. This is not the criticism, though, quite the opposite - as an obsessive perfectionist who contemplates every possible scenario before doing anything, I respect and envy someone who just doesn't give a fuck like that. You just barged in, proclaimed that lore isn't lewd, refused to include pics and left. Brave, stupid, unfathomably based.
>>11537895>Do you plan to expand it? There seem to be a lot of potential, especially more detail on how society on continent works.Nevermind, you seemed to expand it in the meantime. I opened the thread earlier and didn't refresh it, so I havent seen it before posting, lol.
