Welcome to woodworking general, wet red cedar edition. Here we discuss the working of wood and the tools and techniques of working wood. So far we tend to be mostly hand tool folk with a slant towards cabinetry and carving but all are welcome and we have some capable power tool folk amount our ranks. General carpentry question such as framing/decking/general construction seems to get a better response in the /qtddtot/ or /sqt/.Old thread >>2980606The Essential /wwg/ library.Tage Frid Teaches Woodworking, gives you everything you need and shows you how to do it multiple ways from hand tools to power tools and gives you the knowledge to determine which is best, and then he teaches you how to apply what you learned.https://www.amazon.com/dp/1561588261Chris Pye wrote the book on carviing and keeps on writing them.https://www.chrispye-woodcarving.com/The eastern tradtion, Japanese Woodworking Tools: Their Tradition, Spirit and Use by Toshio Odatehttps://www.amazon.com/dp/0941936465Leonard Lee The Complete Guide to Sharpeninig, how to sharpen most everything.https://www.amazon.com/dp/1561581259Bob Flexner - Finishing 101, covers the common stuff, his other books cover the uncommon and go into more depthhttps://www.amazon.com/dp/1440308454/Illustrated Cabinet Making by Bill Hylton, learn to design furniture that won't fall aparthttps://www.amazon.com/dp/1565233697/The shows that got many of us startedhttps://www.pbs.org/show/woodwrights-shop/https://www.newyankee.com/Post your work else don't be upset when racist, homophobic, antisemitic, and/or sexist remarks find their way towards you.
feels good to be back boys, i got 10 more pickets drying in the garage for another planter. picked up the klein moisture meter for $50, wouldn't bet my life on the readings but overall i'm happy with it
Any wood staining/finishing people here?I bought some cheap acacia outdoor tiles for my apartment balcony and I'm looking for the lowest effort coating or treatment to keep them from turning to shit.They don't have to look good, just decent. I'm looking for the absolute bare bones stain or varnish or oil or whatever that will be the minimum effort to brush on once a year. I don't want something that I have to apply, leave for 2-3 days while it dries and then apply again. I don't want something that I have to sand off in order to reapply.Anybody have any ideas? Would the easiest thing be to just touch up the stain whenever it starts fading off, or is it worth it to do something to protect the stain once it's on?
>>2989618Here's someone else's photo of how they look new versus how they look with the stain worn off... I almost prefer the weathered/unfinished look but IDK if there's an easy way to remove the stain when they're new and skip the ugly partially-worn state
>>2989618>>2989627The first step would be identifying if they have any kind of protective finish. Like a varnish or lacquer or something. Once you know what you've got you can look into stripping that off.As for protecting the wood, look into shellac. It is not super durable but you can basically just brush it on. Once it dries it is done. You want it tougher? Do additional coats. Oh no, it got damaged? Just brush on more. You can also tint it if you want some fancy colors or different shades.Once thing, it is a byproduct from a bug, so it is not vegan. I mean, for me that is a plus but I know others don't like it. Don't get the fancy expensive bullshit stuff. Get the chips and make your own. It is cheaper.
>>2989627sand or just let them go, will probably fade in a year anyways let the earth absorb its sweet nectar. else go with something for decks
>>2989618Behr exterior penetrating oil, available at HD
>>2989627100% tung oil or die. Waiting 3 days and wiping the excess after 30-60 minutes is essential, no shortcuts.
>>2989558Having roof done. Contractor says moisture in attic. Rafters are all damp and need to be replaced for $$. Whip out my moisture meter and read 8%.Is this guy a scammer or what?
>>2989752Check the rafters. Are they wet? Are they coming apart, moldy, or damaged? Did you get a second and third opinion like a sensible person always does?
>>29897528% sounds suspicious. are you sure you trust your moisture meter? do you live in the desert or something?
>>2989752if leak new, wet rafters are a non-issue do you suspect rafters are deteriorated due to moisture intrusion from a longstanding leak, to the point where they are structurally compromised? You check this with a screwdriver not a moisture meter.
>>2989762>Check the rafters. Are they wet? Are they coming apart, moldy, or damaged?No. And no.>8% sounds suspicious. are you sure you trust your moisture meter?It reads about 40% on a piece of bare plywood outside but under cover.> do you live in the desert or something?Washington State. But the attic is very well ventilated and it gets hot up there when the sun is out. So I figure the structure gets baked pretty well.>do you suspect rafters are deteriorated due to moisture intrusion from a longstanding leak,No leak evident. Contractor might think I'm an idiot and he's looking for more work. There's a few sheets of plywood that are a bit mushy where rain got driven under old shingles. But that's about it.
>>2989863Nta but neither measurement sounds reasonable, should be 10-30 for both unless were talking baked as in fire hazard hot. If it gets and stays under 15ish % and theres no rot visible you should be fine. Do a pick test with an awl or screwdriver.
>>2989744Tung tung tung oil?
>>2989752Tear the whole house down and repour the foundation. If it was 7% you'd be cool. What's your elevation above sea level and barometer?
got this for like 3 dollars. i sharpened it and the edge is pretty good, but it's basically unusable with this hackjob front. any pointers on how to fix this? any advice is appreciated. also>sand some random pieces of oak>spray them with water so the wood hair raise>rest them on some plastic brackets and angle iron since i had it lying around so why not>come back 3 hours later, boards look dry>flip them around>every single one has this fucking huge purplish line on them, exactly where the steel was touchingnow you can learn from my mistake
>>2990228do a better job of joining the new nose. Probably choose taller material. Then take 1/16 off the entire bottom edge with a tablesaw. Chamfer the tip and wax.idk I only use power tools
>>2990228This is why you dont use nails with oak. Don't even use glue from a bottle that's been capped with a screw or nail even once in its life.>>2990233This is OK but should read "fix the large crack, then either cut off the nose or the entire sole, glue a new sole on and flatten using any available method."
>>2990250Is this thread going to be 300 posts of pissing contest again?
I’m looking to make a chess board but all instruction videos tell me to glue laminate the light/dark strips then cut into new strips then flip 4 of them and glue up again. But that 2nd glue joint would be 100% end grain to end grain, right?Should I do anything special to make that a good glue joint? Or do I just rely on the backing board for strength
>>2990304You can have a backer sheet and a border to lock everything together.
>>2990274well the crack IS a problem, even i can see that>>2990233>>2990250thanks, i'll see what i can do. by the way that nose is screwed on
>>2990313Well, you might want to get the base coplanar and stop the crack by the frog from propagating. Odds are the blade isn't sharp. How about we take care of our tools before posting graphs and ripping roofs down? Pour tung oil on everything and hope tomorrow is better.
I did a thing!Where’s my>WTF are you trying to do? What even is that? Award, Reddit?
>>2990334i put mine in another bucket to keep it from imploding, nice work though, does it still work properly?
>>2990336>tfw you made le funneyi shitpost feeling all smug and five minutes later someone figured it out what you where trying to doIt works quite good, it seems, but I have yet to acquire a cigarette to test it for leaks. Or maybe I should smoke my workshop again with incense (though it’s not as Smokey as a cigarette but smells better). Hard to judge if it uses more power than my big, fixed double cyclone system. And I just need to figure out some kind of attachment to my vacuum, so I can wheel it around with it.
>>2990274Thank you anon for pointing that out, I'll try to be less vindictive.
why nobody posts projects anymore? todays project is a guitar stand that looks like a chair
Are there any cool accessories which go well with woodworking that I can 3D print?So far all I've made which i semi-decent is a sanding paper block.
>>2990804corner radiuses (radii?) are pretty straightforward to draw up and make parametric for whatever sizes you want. what's your sanding block design? been meaning to make one all i'm using is a scrap with some velcro on each side
>>2990807Sorry when I said I made, I mean I printed, not actually mine.https://www.printables.com/model/563271-sanding-block-93x115-115x140>corner radiusesThanks, might do one of these next.
>>2990804i also do a lot of picture frames, broke down and bought a logan 45° cutter for matboard but for the 90° cuts i settled on 2nd from the right. mostly just learning how to draw grips in cad and make it as compact as possible. i'm sure i did it wrong but saved like $40
>>2990808how's the threads? i was thinking of making something with some sort of wedge action to hold the paper; my printer is an old lulzbot and not that accurate or fast for printing a bunch of different sizes blocks
>>2990804oh, various dust adapters too, no sense in paying for them just make sure you do like a 1-2° draft
>>2990804I'm not sure about the right material to use but I'm pretty sure I've seen printed feather guides for table saws / band sawsA center finder / marker is easy as well, if you could get tight gearing you could make one that expands / contractsDoes printed plastic would hold up well against router bearings for jigs? You could easily print a wider / better base for a router plate tho. I think most people (myself included) hate how tiny they are out of the box and replace them
>>2990819i've had no problems with my corner jigs and router bearings but printing something large and flat like a new router plate warps too much for me on the bed. something to keep in mind i guess. one day i'll get a co2 laser and go crazy on some acrylic; my diode laser just can't do it. unfortunately buying a co2 laser just for that though isn't really justifiable
>>2990797i did but i'm extremely slow
>>2990797>why nobody posts projects anymore?Those that do projects are too busy doing them and won't waste their time posting on a a basque mongoloiding forum and those posting here don't have time to actually do anything.But beside snark comments, it seems like 4Chan died a bit more, again, I also see this at other generals that I'm visiting, we don't seem to get any new recruits anymore and us old hags… err oldfags maybe nowadays have other things to do, besides posting here.Speaking of those other things:The wife needed a sharpener for her chalk, for sewing.Lessons learned:>Don't trust stupid "make this fantastic thing in ten easy steps!" guides from the internet, aimed at folks who never /diy/ anything, besides their one branch they do (sewing in this case). It's gonna look like ass if you follow the instructions and it won't be easy.>putting like 70 razor blades on a threaded rod sucks and takes forever, but i was trusting the first point. Should have gotten a non-threaded rod and a thread cutter, always wanted to have one of those>my miter saw needs adjusting and it wobbles>I'm too stupid to remember if I have to add my blade thickness, when measuring my cuts>my freehand routing sucks assBut all in all:7/10wife's happy and the result looks much better than the shit from the instructios I started with and I learned a thing or two.
>>2990889>people who post on board/thread X don't actually do activity Xa tale as old as 4chan itselfanyway good job, looks like some homemade capacitor ready to explode
>>2990228 hereafter some work and injury i managed to take the nailed piece of wood off. pic rel is what was under it. i looked up some rabbet planes online and they seem to have a butterfly nut on top, with the bolt probably holding the fronti don't wanna just glue something in there, it feels like a hackjob, but honestly have no idea how should i even start on this
>>2990998if you want to learn you want to learn, but you can get a new one of these for like $35
>>2990998Use glue, chisels, sand, and the blade you have shown. The wood isn't going to work itself.
finished, it may need some soft rubber stuff against slipping, does anyone know a rubber tape that sticks to wood? >>2990889looks pretty good but also kinda dangerous> if I have to add my blade thickness, when measuring my cutsNot sure but I think you should always measure and mark the exact length you want, and only adjust when it’s on the saw.
>>2991100if you used an oil based finish forget about tape ever sticking, you'll need to attach some physical way
>>2991100Weather strip and finish nails or double stick would work in a pinch.
>>2991100felt or leather + brass upholstery tacks, can even put a little strip of foam or whatever underneath as a cushion
First time poster in /wwg/, ex carpenter here. How do you guys join your picture frame corners? I am just going to join it (with glue) then drill wooden dowls through each corner and cut them off flushFinally starting to build up my workshop with all the necessary furnishing equipment. Feels good man
>>2991109>>2991113>>2991130thanks for the tips anons, ordered some leather and I’ll use the upholstery tacks
>>2991155hell yeah what kind of leather did you get?
>>2991154v nailer, staple, or spline. I quoted a pro 700 for a 10' cyclorama and they beat around they bush. It wouldn't have been worth dragging that stuff up the stairs for less than 2 grand.
>>2991023>>2991070allrighty then
Listen here holes, you will be plugged.
sturdy bedframe so I'm going to build a bed frame something like this except I'm using big pieces of ply instead of slatsstill have centre channel supportsturdier feetglue instead of metal screws (it's never coming apart)but I can't figure out how to attach the headboard in a way that is super sturdy? basically shit gets crazy in the bedroom and we can't have any flex or movement.no creaking whatsoever. sparing the details of my construction I was thinking of a frame of oak, ply panels in the middle, ply oak headboard(routed)not new to woodwork but limited tools in this shop circ saw, plunge router, drill, enough money to buy maybe one more skin? mitre saw is no longer a tool I have access to
>>2991524I tried to do one of these, but all I needed was a jigsaw. We were going to use 5/16x4.5" Spax lags to drill the headboard into stud, but it gets really wild in our bedroom. Since we'd already mortised the headboard into the frame and cut out the baseboard, we just gorilla glued it flush to the drywall.
>>2991528brick house and while a built in panel would look nice it's not feasible. maybe I should just not have a headboard but It gets cold in my area
>>2991530You could construction adhesive the frame to the floor, but that's a yucky polyurethane blend. Command strips or double stick tape will also do a really good job.
why do tail vises often have this gap when closed?
>>2991524>wood>no flex or movement
Built a shed last summer, treated the cladding with sikagard wood preserver. This is the result, mold penetrating right through some boards. Is there any way to treat this? Can I just paint over it or do I need to replace the effected boards? If so should I just paint it next time?
>>2991649is it insulated from the inside? is there some excessive humidity inside the shed, or are those perpetually damp or something?
>>2991665No insulation, well ventilated. I am in England so we've had a decent amount of rainfall and only one side get's any sunlight for half the day due this being in a garden corner.
>>2991668so this is the perma shaded one?honestly i dunno. i have a shed i built 5+ years ago using osb board and there's zero rot even on the perma shaded parts. the stuff in your pic is something i always see on pallet wood that had plastic bags sit on it for some time, it always gets mold like this. wood too fresh/too damp?i'd try to sand it down a bit first and wait a month to see what happens. wear a respirator
>>2991622That's not that part you generally clamp stuff with. That extension is to hold the back frame bar.
>>2991685seems like a waste of space
>>2989752if no mold but damp youre ok as long as dries soon.
>>2990316kek.
>>2990807>sanding blockcut a piece of plywood the width of belt sander belt and long enough to fit inside belt to keep it tight. Sand away.
Dear diary, I am making a shelf for my daughter. Here is one of the brackets about to be traced and then sent to the scroll saw. I had google gemini generate a template based off of a picture, then I plugged the dimensions into microsoft publisher to print. This is my first project that isn't pine. It's poplar (pretty much pine) because I'm poor and dont trust myself not to fuck it up
>>2991807looks pretty sick though. didn't know publisher was still around, and i'm a swe during the weekday!
>>2991808Yea they're completely stopping it in October, not sure what Im going to use once it goes away, since youre a SWE (software engineer?), do you have any recommendations for similar programs? Or at least something that I can print things to scale?
>>2991811not really unfortunately. after i make a few million dollars i plan on hiring a bunch of white americans to develop an open source fusion 360 alternative because fuck autodesk and freecad. until then it's fusion and gimp
>>2989629Shellac is nice for indoor, lower contact applications. Think bookshelves, nightstands, stuff where you're not risking getting it wet or dirty regularly. Outdoor flooring is basically the worst case scenario for shellac.
>>2989752I don't know if scammer, but many just pop their head in there without actually checking or some cases knowing what they're looking at. A roofing guy peeked in my atttic and said it had mold and mildew was leaking. It's an older house and there had been leaks over the hundred fourty or so years, but what he was seeing, other than some water stains, were spots like pitch, tar, and lime as much of the boards used for the roof sheathing where recycled material. I had been up there during rainstorm before he had went up there and didn't see any leaks. It did start leaking a few months later from a damage shingle, but i went up and replaced it. Still need to get the roof done at some point.
>>2991811If you actually need page layout stuff it's part of adobe and way better than publisher anyway but it's $$.For office you got to pick somewhere between one note, word, or PowerPoint.PowerPoint is pretty close. I'm almost surprised they kept.publisher as long as they did, it could have just been features in powerpoint
I have 6 sheets of very old and a bit worn in areas but still usable, 1/4” plywood I’d like to use for something but I’m drawing blanks despite need to do something with the following: two kayaks, a bunch of gardening/yard work equipment, a bunch of lawn chairs, summer related entertainment junk, some hammocks, and swimming floats. Please make my brain work and give me some ideas to unfuck my garage.
>someone bought the thing that I wanted to buy to make stuff
>>2990797been fist deep in my car the past two weeks. i did cut a needlessly planed piece of cedar while i do my upper motor mount, so this post is /wwg/ appropriate
I'm going to redo my shed this summer, I bought the property recently and it's always been a shitty crumbling eyesoreThe plywood floors are cracking, I've already punched some holes straight through, and it's gotta go. The exterior panels are rotting in parts, and there are no interior walls leaving exposed insulation everywhere. You can see in the picture the setup the previous owners had where they had a step ladder as a permanent fixture to reach the loft above. The loft also makes it super awkward to stand under and my shelving is too tall to fit where it'd be useful. It has power with one light and one outlet, and its own fuse box.I don't want to do a full teardown, just a refurbish. I want to raise the loft height, replace the floors, and replace the exterior walls. I also want to add plywood interior walls, some built in shelving and a pegboard wall full of hooks. I would add steps to reach the loft, probably short and steep to save space, plus a handrail. Do you think the loft joists look reusable? I imagine the insulation need replaced too, especially if it's exposed to the exterior in parts and probably has gotten wet before. There is a load bearing wall seen in the right of the photo which I would rather replace with a strong column or two since it divides the space in half for no good reason.Any tips for me? Do inspectors care about small sheds? Is it worth the research to follow the code?
>>2992359Anon I'm in a similar boat. Floors are good in mine but 4/4 walls are peeling back or rotting out. Whoever built it never raised the 2 side walls to the ceiling so bugs and shit gets in. I've never done woodwork but I have the tools and I'm sure I can get it into better stead than its in now.
>>2992359after researching what it takes to do it "correctly" I need to:>call the local permit office and have a conversation about the modifications>apply for a permit online>pay a fee based on square footage and have an inspection after construction>submit a drawing showing the existing configuration and proposed modifications, including lumber type, sizing and specific hardware where required>install a concrete footing beneath the frost layer under the new columnbut for a building of this type no formal engineering is required so long as the joist span is below 12' and no dimension limits apply to the stairs either. I think I could feasibly do all this in like one hour and the only annoying part is the permit fee
>>2992359I went ahead and modeled the current shed layout, seriously wtf is this shitwhich one of you did this1/2
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>>2992594one more angle that really shows how fucked the loft is
>>2989558I just got some chisels. I've got a good knife i can use until I get a sloyd and a spoon knife. Looking for a draw knife and a spoke shave. In the process of making a shave horse. Gonna start making spoons.
>>2990228fix the crack, cut the nose off and wala, you have a double iron bullnose version for 5% the new price
>>2992595this is my design for the new layout. 2x6 joists with 2x4 blocking. replaced the step ladder with a ships ladder, didn't model the steps but it's 8 inch rise and 70 degree tilt. replaced the half wall with one post and a footing for it. once built I'll start to think about where I want shelving but I'll be happy with all the new head room on the ground floor. as is it's not all that useful for storage above or below
what are all the little blackish spots on this beech workbench top?
>>2992593>>2992594>>2992595these images give me a headache>>2992598good on ya bud
>>2992975character bench probably got a bit moldy before being finishedeven if the mold was killed it leaves stains
anyone know whats a good assortment of chissel sizes?
>>2992993i get by with 1/4", 1/2", 3/4", and 1"
I always have one or two chisels that are going to do jobs I don't expect them to come back from.
>>2993055that's what i keep a home depot stanley set for
>>2992993i get by with 8mm, 12mm, 18mm and 24mm
>>2993121ended up buying a set, similar sizes to >>29929996,10,12,16,20,26 why? 6 for the price of 4,5 is hard to argue with
>>2993140nice, it's great for mortising. the easy part is over!
>>2993064I'll note that you can get DeWalt chisels there for only a bit more ($10-11 ea vs $5)that have Sheffield-made blades and metal pommel strike caps. Still a massive bargain compared to $50+ per tools like Narex or Two Cherries.
I want to build a tiki bar. What type of wood is the large round pieces in this picture? Is this something I can get at a lumber yard or is it special order/milled.
>>2993192eh, they're the beater set. if i upgrade i won't want to use them for car and yard work
>>2993192>$50+ per tools like Narex or Two Cherries.Jesus christ the tarrifs raped you hard. I bought mhg at 13€ per piece
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>>2993207some lumber stores carry round post but wouldn't be surprised either waylook up a pole lathe, you need one sawhorse a shaft and a rope. you can make any square post round
>>2993244Depends on which line you're looking at, too. A set of five Richters in a nice wood box is $250, while four loose PROFI are $70, both at Woodcraft.
>>2993256>250$Insanity, these are just generic CV steel
