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>step 1: obtain a building permit

americans need permission from the government to change a light bulb
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Have to take classes to help figure it out and then go through two years of apprenticeship first.
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>>2991137
What's a "building permit"?
What does that have to do with light-bulbs?
In what way does this thread have to do with D.I.Y.?

OP is silly.
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>>2991139
The journeyman system is the humiliation ritual of construction.
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>>2991137
>americans need permission from the government to change a light bulb
jokes on you....democrats will not even give you a permit.
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>>2991139
Oh yeah? What's the thread spacing of the bulb? What's the appropriate torque applied? What conductive metals of bulb and socket are code compliant? What types of bulbs are legal? Do you have a thermal shutoff and what is the appropriate value? What fuses and gfcis should be in circuit? How close to the junction box can ceiling insulation be installed? What size fasteners are appropriate for securing the j box? What gauge is your wiring? How many lumens are satisfactory per square foot of room? If that bulb breaks, how toxic are the internal elements to children? Does your bulb have a warrantee? Did you even wire the fixture right? Now my other circuits aren't working. You'll be hearing from my lawyer.
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>>2991208
I don't think these guys are capable of learning anything, let alone teaching. Have you seen the state of your average tradie? Fucking embarrassing. Now you get to 'learn' under a room temperature IQ low functioning alcoholic for 2 years? What are they going to teach you? How to dip out on child support payments? Beat the breathalyzer lock on their 2008 Dodge Ram 1500? How to defeat all the safety features on power tools in a way OSHA inspectors won't notice?
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>>2991137
It's so aggravating because it is against literally everything America's constitution stands for. Remember America is a constitutional republic and not a democracy. And all these various licenses and permit requirements are unconstitutional but nobody cares because they are all drugged out zombie retard fat faggots who are glued to a screen all day and depressed. Lol.
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>>2991137
permits are important because without them and over time infrastructure will collapse and bring society down with it
permits are the reason why everyone wants to move to america.
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>>2993414
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>>2993415
how could that possibly me misconstrued as bait?
building code is enforced through permuting retard.

permits are quite literally what separates us from them
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>>2993549
>im sure pericles asked the local board of wretches and wenches before he built the acropolis
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>>2993552
i have too much sex to get that reference
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>>2993554
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>>2993549
Would be so comfy to be able to build more robust versions of these favela huts. It's better than a tent city in the middle of LA
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>>2993392
Ohhhh... Another sovereign citizen thread. Come on dude, give it a rest, go make something, it'll cheer you up.
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>>2993577
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>>2993584
>make a more permanent homeless camp instead of fixing the homeless
californians are truly forward thinkers
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>>2993552
multiple architects are recorded having helped build the acropolis, dumbass.
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>>2994032
architects =/= engineering =/= permits
dumbass
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>>2993791
what a dapper young man
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>>2991139
4 years of apprenticeship and 4 years of journeyman in California to become a contractor to change a lightbulb.
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>10 dollars for permit application
>250 dollars for the permit itself
>500 dollars for inspector to come in to make sure you installed the right bulb wattage
>taxes increase because you improved your home with the new lightbulb
All for a property you "own".
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>>2991137
Californians and New Yorkers need permission to 3D print
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>>2991137
>More Europeans die from heat stroke per year than Americans do from guns
You eurofags can't even put ice in water without your government raiding your home for ruining the environment
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>>2993392
>constitutional republic
Based and aristotle-pilled.
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>>2993577
Kek saved
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>>2993392
>nobody cares
except its somehow worse where ever npc is hung up with what their neighbor is doing. nobody can just live their own life without being concerned what others are up to. its a society of faggots thatll rat you out for their own edification
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If you guys had seen things before Nero in Rome, you'd be glad to know your dumbass neighbors had to actually put some effort in before burning down your entire city block
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>>2991137
europeons can't AC without permission.
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>>2998483
posting a dad joke as if it was a real news story.

indians don't talk in old movie apache.
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>>2991137
Much of the permit headaches depend entirely on the jurisdiction. Even in stringent states, some building departments are run tighter or looser than others. One thing to watch out for is a female chief building inspector. They are the most humorless cunts you're likely to encounter.
t. have built sheds, porches, roofs, etc, for the past 20 years without permits and never had a visit from the building department
It also helps when your house isn't visible from the road.
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>>2998520
In my area they use satellite photos. They digitized their records and use ArcGIS to compare permitted improvements to satellite data. When they first started doing this they went after unpermitted pools. Pools showed up well on the rather shitty (by modern standards) photos. Things like roofline changes didn't because the materials were generally darker.

They would call the owner of record and schedule an onsite inspection. These were strictly exterior inspections but they would often find several violations while onsite. This created a bit of a fuss and the local paper (remember when local news was a thing?) did a story on it. They interviewed some guy at the city and he claimed that about 60% of the time there was an unpermitted inground pool and the owners were cited. The rest of the time it was an above ground pool, which are considered 'temporary' and don't need a permit. But he also claimed that the average number of violations found per inspection was 3. A lot of inspections turned up nothing, he claimed, but if someone had an unpermitted pool they generally had a lot of other things too. Little stuff, like having a shed on the property line, would get a warning. If you moved it they let it slide. The bigger shit really screwed some people though. They found tons of garage/carport/porch conversions (protip, don't remove the garage door) and extensions going after the pools thing. Those were no joke because that would trigger an interior inspection. Some people were getting hit with dozens of violations.

That wasn't even the really cheeky bit. They were offering discounts on retroactive permits if you ratted out the contractors that did the work. If you could provided receipts or invoices and claimed the contractor told you they got the permits they would knock the price down. They would then go after the contractors. A ton of local contractors lost their licenses because of this.
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>>2998595
>found country on principle of tax evasion
>slowly degrade to a tax state that would make the crown blush
the rampant money hunting by municipalities would be closer to ok if they were spending the bucks on things like upgrading our 60 yr old water and shit plant that routinely has unscheduled service lapses but instead they stuff the general fund and then blow it on $900k in new downtown lamp posts to hang inclusivivity themed banners on that nobody asked for
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>>2991137
You'd get it if you'd ever bought or sold a house. Try selling a house with some half-assed afroengineered shit and see how it goes for you.
Also it's good to know your neighbors can't blow themselves up/burn their house down and damage your property because they wanted to fuck with the gas water heater or do some hackjob wiring.
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>>2998764
how the fuck is anybody supposed to know i swapped out waterheaters at any point in time dumbfuck?
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>>2998778
You know they have dates of manufacture, right?
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>>2998764
the inspectors only purpose is to verify the propertys a tangible asset for the bank same as the roastie 'appraiser' that always seems to come up with the sale price to the penny
picel is the power to the well pump on a $1.15M place a coworker bought and it 'passed inspection' just fine
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>>2993947
>build cheap houses
>th-they're still homeless!
Sure, mutt anon.
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>>2998865
Every inspection I've had on a property I purchased came back with several violations the boomer cheapasses made while trying to save a buck. You just hire shitty inspectors.
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>299890too
imagine bragging that you need somebody with a 3 hr certificate from a stripmall to tell you about surface level minor issues on the banks asset
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>>2993590
NTA. You don't have to be sovereign citizen to think a lot of the building permit shit is retarded
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>>2998902
>>2998865
I bought an tiny old ranch house some years back. My inspector gave me a detailed 28 page report that went room by room on the inside of the house and the outside. It included photos of any issues found and of the dataplates from all the build in appliances. They also called me to discuss the report, answer my questions, and make recommendations on what issues I should insist the seller fix before buying. You get what you pay for and you are stuck with what you allow others to get away with.
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>>2998915
>scared to quote me directly
what a fucking cuck lmao

how the fuck do you read what I wrote and interpret it as a bragging, how retarded are you?
go ahead and type out your reply and make sure not to quote me pussy bitch.
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>>2999177 double (you)
ill repeat my statement that (you)(again) should know enough about houses to be able to spot problems without some asswipe pencil pusher looking around for (you). hes just there to assure the bank on their asset but (you)re too stupid of a niggerfaggot to understand that
and houses are still selling in 15 minutes at over asking offers in my left coast liberal utopia so if you try to play horseshit games over loose switchplates and mold under the bathroom sink they throw your contract in the circular file and get the next contestant qued up
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>>2991137
>be americans
>make fun of bongs for needing a tv loicense
>need permit to carry a gun
america is a nation of lies, spread the word.

the promises of liberty a lies to draw in retards, like honey and flies.
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>>2999396
>need permit to carry a gun
29 states disagree
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>>2991137
You only need a permit for tall structures and only if you get caught.
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>>2994033
To be an architect you had to be an initiate as that kind of work was basically magic. To be an initiate you needed to be in with the state and they weren't going to help you build some heretical bullshit.
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>>2999404
They'll get you when they eventually do tax reassessments.
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>>2999406
Weird Al Yankovic has a degree in architecture and he makes songs with fart noises in them. It ain't that hard and, apparently, you make better money making songs with fart noises in them.

And then there is you, who can't even make songs with fart noises in them. You probably peaked in high school and didn't notice when the Onion took over Infowars.
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>>2999424
Fart jokes are funny and you're a midwit for thinking weird Al is dumb instead of brilliant for finding an easy path to wealth.
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>>2999396
once again, the bong knows nothing about america
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>>2999396
Maybe you should worry about your own problems lol
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>>2999431
Weird Al specifically *ISN'T* dumb. That was the point of the post! He knew being a novelty musician was a better gig than being an architect. Christ, it is this shit right here that makes people think you are a midwit.

You know why he isn't dumb? Maybe the picture of him being VALEDICTORIAN that I posted? Go a head and ask ChatGPT what that word means. Lord knows you've probably never been in the same room with one. You are like the punchline of a Jeff Foxworthy joke.
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>>2999473
Maybe ask gpt what the highest skilled job was in every century and understand that it changes over time.
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>>2999523
Weird Al graduated in 1980 but never worked as an architect. I'm not saying he was going to be Christopher Wren, but then again, a fair number of famous architects from the last 150 years couldn't even design a place where the roof doesn't leak.

Frank Lloyd Wright famously couldn't make a doghouse water tight. Literally. His doghouse design, "Eddie's House", leaks. He said "If the roof doesn't leak, the architect hasn't been creative enough". Philip Johnson described the Fallingwater House as a "seventeen-bucket house". That was high praise in his opinion. He called his own Glass House a mere “six-bucket house". "Sir" James Stirling designed the History Faculty building at Cambridge. It was said to have "leaked torrentially, also dropped its roof tiles dangerously, and faced the wrong way. So the sun cooked its contents - people and books”. High praise for a man knighted for being an architect. Alvar Aalto's famous Nordic House in Reykjavik leaks so badly they have been unable to fix it almost 40 years later. Le Corbusier designed a building with a standard pitched roof that leaked so badly he swore off pitched roofs. As if it was the roof types fault that he was a shitty architect. He then famously designed the Villa Savoye. Its flat roof was so terribly designed that the contractor warmed him that it would leak but he refused to make changes. The owner of the house called in "uninhabitable" and threated to sue him. It took 3 major renovations, the last finished in 1997, and millions of dollars to actually make the roof do its job.

Don't ever hire an architect. Hire an engineer. Architects prioritize the artistic vision over comfort, cost, and durability. Modern architecture and modern art go hand in hand. Two clowns, walking together, big floppy shoes squeaking, winking over their shinny red noses, squirting their flowers at each other. God forbid what monstrous baby those two would produce. Probably something like you.
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>>2999527
Some architects are alright. Minoru Yamasaki knew what he was doing.
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>>2999527
Not reading your manifesto
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>>2999582
To busy doing the floss, streaming a vtuber, while browsing houses on zillow that you will never be able to afford? Or were you just allowed to graduate every grade at school because the teachers didn't want to look bad on their performance review and therefor you've never had to read more than three concentrative sentences at a time?
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>>2999590
I'm 37. I'm more at the "too busy buying a third home" phase.
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>>2999527
7 million dollar renovation
3 years

its a fucking HOUSE. You could build it from scratch for maybe 250-350k. WTF is wrong with you people?
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>>2999183
The inspector I hired for my last two property purchases has a commercial grade thermal camera to look for leaks and drafts inside walls. He also has a $10k borescope that he used to look through every pipe to look for failed joints or root intrusion. he has a roof harness so he can spend a couple hours on the roof looking everything over with a microscope.

you are either a) a worthless boomer who's pissed he had to take $40k under asking because an inspector found all his bullshit "repairs" or b) some penniless brownoid who's never made a home purchase in his life. in either case, your opinion is worth less than shit and all future posts you make will be ignored.
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>>2999523
>ask gpt
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>299960won
>ghostbusters phantom camera
>magic school bus honey we shrunk the kids pipes scope
>james bond repelling gear
baits supposed to be believable
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>>2999616
Yeh, and 2 hours to inspect a residential roof. Sounds bullshit to me.
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>>2999596
>the 37 year old zoomer
shameful
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>>2999527
I can't completely not respect it. I think the caveat is, if you're going to design like an overzealous asshole, you finance a crack roofing team and builder. Money isn't an issue for whoever is dumb enough to hire these architects.

The rest of the world is designing its way to being homogenous McCafe shipping crates.
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