Since we got a gardening thread now it seems only right to get ourselves a mushroom thread.https://blogs.cornell.edu/learning/how-to-grow-mushrooms-a-beginners-guide/https://www.almanac.com/plant/mushroomshttps://northspore.com/pages/mushroom-growing-guidesWhat are you growing?What are you trying to grow? How do you avoid contamination?
I have been thinking of using cargo containers as makeshift mushroom farms by installing a solar powered HVAC system and hydronicsJust something basic like oyster mushrooms.
>>2994330Would be a pretty good time. Just gotta have really good circulation.
>>2994330You will almost never regret buying a shipping container if its cheap. I got one for like 4 grand and it is one of my top all time purchases. I would live in a fortress made of shipping containers if I had my way.
How do you guys deal with energy loss in the system?They need fresh air so obviously you vent to the outside and then replace the lost air by sucking in new air. However if there is a large temperature difference you need to heat/cool the fresh air. As an added problem there will be a huge dampness loss and you have to rehumidify the new air. So what can i do to avoid this energy trap? Obv a heat exchanger would be viable but imo they are only viable after a certain size of growroom. And venting towards the inside is also possible but i would like to avoid that for health and smell reasons.Thaughts?Lions mane is my fav but i also like oyster for mass and would like to forage and cultivate some "exotic" ones for variety.
It's been years since my last monotub grow. I've been successful with some beginner varieties, while not so much with the expert sorts.Growing mushrooms is tricky.
>>2994352it sounds too good to be true, doesn't it rust or something?
>>2994463looks good.theyre complicated all the way up until you find yourself suddenly overflowing with too many of them.
Is plugging logs in a shady part of my lawn sufficient to get started with this? Wondering what to do with all the dead trees.
>>2994302I get loads of coffee grounds are they any use? I’d kinda like to grow mushrooms, but like as in not getting a full now hobby and investing lots of hours and money but as in ‘put the coffee grounds in x and add y’Is that possible or should I not bother?
>>2994719Button mushrooms absolutely fucking love coffee grounds.Definitely would recommend.>>2994634Yes that's possible.
>>2994462Shotgun Fruiting Chambers allow the fungus to respirate while retaining moisture. Unmodified monotub Tek is even simpler by simply flipping the lid upside down. The moisture differential is enough to force air currents.
>>2994634I'm new to mushroom griwing, but everything I've read says you don't want to use a tree that's been down for more than 4 weeks or so otherwise it's probably already infected with some other fungus.(Also want to wait 2 weeks from it going down before inoculation, so that the tree's own defenses don't prevent inoculation.)>>2994302Logs are a very slow method of cultivation, so I haven't gotten a chance to see results yet. Really hoping my logs really will fruit for ~5 years like the guides say.I've got a few acres of maples trees. Mushroom cultivation is my new use for branches/trees brought down by storms.
>>2994302This is my first set of logs.>>2995147Ive got Blue Oyster, Lions Mane, Nameko, and Shitake growing here.
Fucking love Golden Teachers.
>>2995151Fungus is almost certainly already on those bitches.
>>2994719>as in ‘put the coffee grounds in x and add y’ You can buy mushroom grow kits that are literally this
>>2995140NTA but I am also interested in this. I have an arrangement where I get 1 - 4 kg coffee grounds per working day. These are quickly overrun by other types of mold, some green, others are orange. Do I have to heat treat the grounds first, or will it work if I quickly mix it with button mushroom mycelia?
>>2994302>Since we got a gardening thread now it seems only right to get ourselves a mushroom thread.Correct. And we have a FAQ from earlier such threads:https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki//myco/_-_FAQ
>>2995296There's cheapshit handheld vacuum sealers out there nowadays. If you can seal the grounds ASAP the material is going to be clean enough for the button mushrooms to outcompete what's already in.Sterility is always preferable but not strictly required.
>>2995414>outcompeteSo if I mix one part freshly used coffee grounds with 2 parts myco saturated substrate, will that work? Or can I get by with 1:1 and just stir the mix together?Oddly, around here I cannot get button mushroom kits, just oyster mushroom and lion's mane kits.
>>2995230very based
Can we talk about magic mushrooms here or nah?
>>2996188We already are
>>2996188It is a rather open secret that most myco DIY guides are written with an eye for psychedelic shrooms.
>>2996352Well, since we are, I would like to ask a few things. I have absolutely zero knowledge on these things. That being said I live on a farm and see a few growing here and there. (Pic related) I would like to know which ones are good and possibly how to prep them?
>>2995238What do you mean?They're all cut from a live tree split in half during a wind storm. I got them cut up and innoculated 2-3 weeks after the storm.
>>2996462Can't tell if that's the right one, but if it is, just eat it raw. You'll need some 10g wet for a good buzz.
>>2996359Yeah most edible shrooms are either significantly less or significantly more demanding than cubes.Though on that note I'm still not entirely sure why wood loving shrooms didn't take over.The sterility demands of coprophilous fungus are *fucked* all things considered.Meanwhile a shockingly low amount of things can chew on cellulose so pasteurization rather than pressure Sterilisation is more than sufficient.
>>2996462just buy spore syringes and grow your own, collect the spores when they open their film.
>>2994719I salvaged a few pieces of oyster spawn from my first attempt at growing on hay that got 3 different mold contaminants. Put them in a small tub of stale coffee grounds and the fuckers started colonising it beautifully in a day somehow. No sign of the mold coming back yet, shit might as well be magic.
I have some grain spawn that I started but don't really want to go through the trouble of making bulk tubs.I see people burying spent tubs in their yard and getting more flushes. Can I bury the spawn itself and get flushes or does it need to have been spawned to bulk first?I live next to a police officer, will he know what I'm doing if I bury a jar of white grain or a tub of colonized coir?
i know this is not exactly on topic but does anybody know a real effective no bs method of getting rid of mold in bathrooms?? internet gives me conflicting info. some say bleach, some say no bleach actually vinegar, some say not vinegar hydrogen peroxide etc.what's the true way to get rid of that shit? (without hiring professionals ofc, i don't think there's even anyone who does that in my area)
>>2998340>I see people burying spent tubs in their yard and getting more flushes. Can I bury the spawn itself and get flushes or does it need to have been spawned to bulk first?unironically you can put mycellium anywhere and it'll probably find a way if the environment enables itwhen I did tubs I would dump them in the shade in the yard after harvesting 3 flushes or so. i'd still get stuff for awhile. nowhere near as much, but just kept going.>>2998340>I live next to a police officer, will he know what I'm doing if I bury a jar of white grain or a tub of colonized coir?loli presented magic mushrooms for my high school senior project, the judges were from the community including copsboomers don't know anything>>2998348treat cause, not symptoms. exhaust fan.
>>2998392>boomers don't know anythinghe's a 40 year old black guy with a blond wife and two pit bullsAnyway, I guess I could have just waited a few hours to make that post. I buried a jar of grain spawn a month and a half ago and by coincidence this morning, I found four mushrooms growing there. I think I'll just bury the rest of my spawn and forego any indoor growing.
>>2994352What about the asbestos and lead paint? If you live in the city the ordnance enforcement will give you a citation for junk.
What's a good gourmet species to start with? I've only grown the other kind (legally).
>>2999466Regular brown oysters are the best place to start. Oyster mushrooms are extremely aggressive colonizers so they are ready quickly and are less contamination prone. You can try pink oysters but those are a tropical species so you need more heat and humidity. Golden oysters are considered invasive in most places so don't grow those. Trumpet oysters are also easy but have a different growth habit. A big difference between growing cubes and anything else is that cubes are some of the most CO2-tolerant species, so prepare to increase your fresh air and humidity delivery. Wine caps are supposedly easy to grow outside and are very beneficial for the soil of your garden, if you have one. Add wine cap spawn under your mulch and you will eventually get random bonus harvests of wine caps among your plants.If you have the room for logs, Chicken of the Woods and shiitake are good choices. Pioppinos can be grown like cubes but I've never looked into them.
>>2999618Thanks for the suggestions. I'm in the middle of the desert so I dont think outdoor is an option for me. Actually makes it pretty easy to achieve high humidity because shit evaporates like crazy.
>>2999649There's a select few mushrooms that grow in the desert that you could try growing for the novelty of it, like Agaricus deserticola, if you can track down the genetics.
I wanna grow turkey tail but I'm focusing on gardening right now. Had a rough patch with my partner so that made me feel down and some of my plants died because of the head and lack of watering. Time to start again with what's left
>>2998396Outdoor growing can be incredibly rewarding if you feed the patch right.Look up charged biochar.Basically you soak charcoal in a highly concentrated nutrient solution (worm casting liquid for example) and add it to the soil.That helps the shrooms to grow into the location and constantly access moisture and minerals.
Don’t know where else to ask. If my indoor plant has mushrooms does this mean my shower room is too humid?
my local soccer field has mushrooms growing in them, can i eat em?
>>2995296Agaricus bisporus is a secondary decomposer, if instead of coffee grounds you had access to horse shit, you'd have better luck
>>3003252>access to horse shitI kind of do. One farm here dumped manure from the stables as far away from the farm and coincidentally next to the housing area. The smell was so intense you could hear it. By now, I am sure the stables are full again and it is time to offload another 10 tons, but I fear my neighbours will not be as enthusiastic about mushrooms as I am. So I kind of want to look at alternatives.
Oh shit, Monicas! I'm trying to perfect the ratios of water to ingredients when making my plates since I do no pour tek. I use reusable plates but when I followed pour teks the condensation started making them too moist. I'm getting there.
>>2994302I remember watching a video of a guy who figured out how to grow mushrooms or fungi to be as hard as bricks. His brick fungi was also water resistant and fire resistant and had a cool concept of using it as building material. This was maybe 10+ years or so ago and to this day, always look back at how cool of a concept that was of being able to make houses out of fungus but never heard anything like or from this since. I don't know much but fungi but did anything ever come from this and was it really possible to grow them to be that hard?
>>3004096For research purposes only of courses. I discarded these samples in an incinerator shortly after taking these pics.
>>3004169As any responsible individual would do.
>>3003527It needs to be composted and pasteurized, if it still smells like shit it's no gudOyster mushrooms will eat up coffee and cardboard, pic related. It just went i must consooooom the cardboard and started fruiting out of the blue>>3004140Wasn't it just dry mycelium blocks? They're pretty hard, but can come back to life once rehydrated
>>3004349Check this puppy out
>>2994463I have such a black thumb that out of trying to grow three or four times, I only got about half of a grow once. They all just mold over instantly once I get them out of the initial jars. It’s cheaper for me to just buy mushrooms on tor at this point.
>>3004698You're not properly dehydrating them if they're molding up in days. They should be like a potato chip hard. If you bend it, it breaks type shit. Don't give up friend, shit is super rewarding and every mistake is a lesson.
>>3006157I don't think he's talking about dehydrating them, but about transfering spawn to bulk substrateCoco coir by itself is not very appetizing to most molds, its function is just providing water and structure
Not a real diy question but more of an observation about cubes, I grew golden teachers my first few times and the microdosing was great. Exactly what Id been looking for. i switched to pes amazonias recently and turns out that microdoses on em feel very different, like I'm tripping, except at a very low threshold if that makes sense. Id get that body load feel I am very familiar with, start feeling the inside of my sinuses like when Im tripping, instead of just feeling that familiar gentle nudge towards a more peaceful state of being like I get with goldens.What gives ? Is this species-driven or dosage driven ? id be tempted to say its species driven because even though amazonias are notably stronger, I get the same effects with lower dosages. Tl;dr why do 0.300g amazonias feel trippier than 0.600g golden teachers ?
>>3004698Just buy one of these and set for 6 hours on 60°c. It's easy.
We got plenty tall growing guava-like trees here, massive clumps of them to make stuff out of; anybody got any guides on outdoor like boxed in coconut coir? Like an inoculated brick that's wooden caged over with rotting wood for them to grow off of, suspended in the air? To prevent ground bugs, I'm pretty sure oyster mushrooms would be fine
>>3006240Ah I gotcha! Yeah >>3004698Only transfer what is essentially a solid mycelium block. If you have patches of grain. Just let it be, patience is key. Don't give up friend, it's so freaking rewarding.
>>3004096Whats that tape stuff called to your left? I remember hearing its a good alternative for parafilm
>>3006744I mean to your right*
>>3006242potency can vary greatly between mushrooms, it's absolutely possible that 300mg of your new ones have more psilocybin in them than 600mg of your old ones, even whithin the same species there can be quite a bit of variation since they mutate so quickly. I think that there are kits that let you measure the potency of your mushrooms if you want to go more in depth into this
>>3006509>gorenjezdravo nigga
>>30065096 hours isnt enough, you want 12 hours absolute minimum, but 24 hours ideally. Then either put it in an airtight jar with a silica packet or vacuum seal bag with a silica packet. Mushrooms are very hygroscopic you want as much moisture removed and kept that way as possible, lest you want reduced potency. Unless you plan on eating your entire harvest in under 6 months then this doesnt matter, but you want them cracker dry if you want to retain potency and store for a long time
>>3004096Theres no ratio thats going to eliminate condensation for nopours. If you dont want condensation then just pour plates when the agar is at 120°F, then stack them. Or since it seems you have an ffu/flowhood, you could just let the plates cool off uncovered for a few minutes. Given you have a properly functioning ffu/flowhood.
>>3006744Grafting tape. It's way easier to work with and does the same shit. >>3006788I don't see why making the mixture "drier" and then letting the condensation hydrate it won't work. I have done the flow hood drying method but it's loud.
>>3006811How can you even make it drier if most of agar is water? Are you supplementing your plates with desiccating additives?>the flowhood is loudI hear you, i dreaded the loud hum of my flowhood and moved back to the sab. But if you pour the plates when theyre cool, they wont have to sit in front of the hood for too long, just a few mins. There might still be condensation but itll dissipate eventually anyway.I do nopours with pp5 containers and while they definitely have more condensation than freepours, it still goes away after like 2 weeks give or take depending on wetter/drier seasons
>>3006819If a standard pour tek calls for 500ml of water and whatever dry ingredients go in, I would instead do 480ml. Stuff like that. I had to take a small break from growing but I was having success with it. I was able to make about 50 plates per batch, would lose 3 or 4 to being too dry or too wet and another 2 or 3 to contamination which to me weren't terrible numbers.
>>3006773Čao
>>3006823I think youre just concentrating the dry ingredients and simultaneously getting a few less plates for your nopours when you do this. The agar in your plates are still hot after the pc cycle, which creates the condensation. After i take out my nopours i stack them and keep in a sterilite shoebox and even the inside of the shoebox starts to condensate but eventually dissipates after a night or two.I used josex's no-pour guide from shroomery and its worked for me for years. The containers i use is a little different from his, i use ones that are smaller but everything else from his tek i do the same.Really though if youre so bothered by it, why not freepour agar at 120°F lol? You have a flowhood so youre not as restricted as pouring in a sab. Even with just my sab and living in a shitty ancient house, i rarely get a contaminated plate just from freepouring. And since i freepour in disposable delicups as my petris, i set up 6 cups to pour at a time. Meaning im not doing the recommended pour 1 plate at a time and then immediately cover.
>>30068385 plates at the most is an acceptable loss for me, that's at the most too I don't lose any sometimes. I have an electric autoclave so I can let it sit after it's done and just let it cool down in there. It's all a convenience thing for me. I'm married and we have littles. If I could sit there and watch it and wait for it too cool to 120 I might do it. As it stands though I'm able to let it reach temp for 15 mins, shut it off and let it cool down while it remains sealed. I can open it under flow the following day.I'm familiar with the no pour you mentioned but I committed a substantial amount of money to the autoclaveable plates and storage for them.The ability to seal and wrap all 50 plates in one go on my time outweighs the loss of a few plates.I understand why you're trying to steer me to pouring but no pour just works for me where I'm at in life.
>>3006842You know maybe you could try placing a heating mat on top of the container you keep your plates in and thatll make the condensation evaporate from the petris. Never tried it but it might work since it works when stacking something hot on top of petris
>>3006846I have heard of people doing this. I might consider doing it.
>>3006831rasteš kej kul? glih sm zaceu z golden teacher
>>3007196Pazi na vlagu, nemoj puno otvarat box i sve će bit u redu.
Small time first timer here. Is it fine to put my oyster bags in a kitchen cabinet? If I cut the bags open for fruiting, are the items in the cabinet safe? It's a condiment cabinet. I don't really have the space or time to build a growing rack right now. If I want to make a new cake, can I just get a small pinch from the old cake to new substrate and keep it going forever?
>>3008288You can use a large plastic tote, i suggest not putting in the cabinet cuz theyll drop a bunch of spores everywhere, especially so for golden/yellow oysters.Heres some vids to give you ideas on what you can do, im sure theres a bunch of other methods though. But the key things you wanna nail are fresh air exchange(FAE), high humidity and mitigate spores from making a mess.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxXTMlCjKRMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OPEqzJ7m5ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKE4rErN6ys
>>2995151Have your totem's fruited? Curious how long they took. I've got a bunch of shiitake logs fruiting, but nothing on totems so far.
How do I keep propogating my oyster mushroom cultivation without the fancy liquid culture, sterilized tools and pressure cookers
>>3009002>by getting a pressure cooker.it's one of the best tools one can have.I had to put 2 magnets on my weight to reach 15psi, but since then it's working flawlessly. It's rocking right now.
had a jar with with B+ spores and about 3% corn syrup to clean water, it bloomed a clear fuzzy white but i think i needed to upkeep with more nutrients cause it didnt grow in my coco coir/grain substrate, either way i wanna try again soonpic attached is what i think are inkcap shrooms, they spontaneously grew one day in my pot of flowers by the window, which cultivated a sense of curiosity that led me here kinda
>>3009355>3% corn syrup to clean waterdid you go spore print or syringe 2 liquid culture?>it didnt grow in my coco coir/grain substratedid you let them fully colonize your grain jar / bag before going to bulk substrate?personally not a big fan of liquid culture. I am more of an agar guy. Makes it easier to spot contams.For me it goes something like this:>spore print or clone 2 agar>agar 2 grain>grain 2 bulk (1 part grain to roughly 3 parts coco)
>>3009374syringe to liquid culture, 10ml of multi-spore split between 2 jars with 650~ml , then tried to pour it in the substrate mix (1 grain: 2 coco) after about 3 or so weeks, the unopened jar was in a dark drawer and i shook it like twice a week, no mold as i boiled the mix in water for about 15 mins to try to hydrate and sterilize at the same time, theres a chance i put the liquid culture in too soon as it was pretty warm as i squeezed handfuls of substrate to get excess water out, but after about 4 days of no visible progress, more liquid was poured in and that didnt work eitherhow necessary is grain spawn though? i thought the liquid would give me a more even spreadalso with this method you think i could boil then cool water to pour on hot substrate? as long as everything is sterile..... or maybe i boiled and squeezed away the nutrients the shrooms needed? idk i just want to make something cool
>>3009382I hate to be the one to tell you, but your method sucks ass. Who taught you this? If it does work 1 out of 10000 times I would be extremely surprised.My advice is to forget everything you know about mushroom cultivation. Then go to the shroomery, look for an easy TEK and start your journey from the beginning. Some of your mistakes were:>multi spore to liquid culturenot your biggest crime, some people might get away with it. You got no idea if there is contamination in it. A better practice would be multi spore to agar, clean sector of agar with mycelium to your solution and you got a clean liquid culture.>POUR it into the substrate mixplease tell me that you used a sterile syringe and that you went through some sort of self healing port that you desinfected with alcohol prior to puncturing it>and i shook it like twice a weekyou can shake it once it is like 30% colonised. And this one time should be enough. Sometimes I shake it if it stalls at a higher % rate of colonisation, but never regularly>i boiled the mix in water for about 15 mins to try to hydrate and sterilize at the same timethat's not how it is done. And this mix is not sterile at all.>i squeezed handfuls of substrateyou should really learn what sterile means, nothing wrong with squeezing your bulk substrate for preparation once your grain spawn is fully colonized, but you already mixed it>as long as everything is sterileanon, nothing of what you did was sterile, unless you were working in an industrial scale cleanroom (not a clean room) in your full body suit, autoclaved the shit out of everything and just forgot to mention it.I somehow doubt that you were at least working in front of a laminar flow hood or inside a still air box.
>>3009382>>3009440Here is a very short rundown of how I do shit:>prepare the agar plate (sterilize everything in a pressure cooker for at least 20 mins at 15psi)>put clone or spores onto agar (inside a SAB)>soak rye for 24h, boil for 10 mins, dry until the grain stops being sticky and put into glas (with filter disk in lid)>put grain glass into PC for 90 to 120 mins>fully colonized agar into grain inside SAB>shake once grain is 20-30% colonized>once it is fully colonized prepare bulk substrate>mix coco with boiling water in a bucket, put lid on and let it cool for 3 to 4 hours>finally mix grain spawn with bulk substrate and mushrooms start to grow after it is fully colonized one last timeI did not mention everything, like how I use 70% iso instead of 99% or how I flame sterilize the knife until its tip is red hot before working with agar. But this is a broad description of how it should look like.Once again, go to the shroomery and learn, learn, learn
>>3009441i mean im broke as shit trying my best? dont have all the extras just hot water and plastic tubs,but never had a spot of visible mold or even discoloring in the jar even after a month, boiling the substrate was my own thing but i dont see why not, assuming its actually has less germs and all the nutriments stay in here and the moisture ratios end up right, used isopropyl on my gloves before squeezing the excess water out shooting for perfect is obviously best, but in nature nothing is perfect and all i want is to find the middle ground between results and effort, and like, im buying the spores online? if a dudes whole life is shrooms to the point they sell spores to strangers then theres a pretty good chance the syringe is already ''çleaner' then whatever someone new to the hobby can make i rather skip the agar cause as a broke boi why buy a pack of plates for 10 when i could use like 4 bucks of substrate i already have, its not like i have a kit to test for the germs i cant see anyway and discoloration would show just as easy in either against agar / liquid cause depending on the setup the jar could be mostly clearim vaguely aware of like uncle bens and shoebox tec, which led me to believe i could do this on the cheap, and ill admit 'sterile'' wasnt the right word to use since its exposed to open air, but only for 5 mins max over the course of a month, i know that doesnt mean much cause once its fucked theres no going back, but hey filter patches cost toonot trying to go against anything your saying and im grateful for any real response on here, just trying to figure things out pic attached was made in 20 mins~
>>3009462>visible mold or even discoloring in the jar even after a monthbut neither did you end up with mushrooms nor visible mycelium as it seems. And the discoloring that helps you spot bacteria infections will mostly be visible on spots of the otherwise white mycelium. And bacteria contamination is hard to spot in a liquid culture anyway. I get the broke boi part and that's ok. But if you can't afford a pressure cooker and a still air box then going the liquid culture to grain to bulk route (once again, you go to bulk substrate after you have your 100% colonized grain, don't mix it before, it WILL not work) might not be something that you can pull off. You might want to look into PF TEK or BRF cakes.And once again, look for a TEK that is proven and easy for you to follow (you got the skills and the tools) and don't think that you can improve it. You can try to improve things and cut corners once you know what you are doing and you got some experience.And just a personal advice. I don't know you nor how old you are, but don't experiment with psychedelics unless you're at least 25.
>long time storageI store the mycelium on agar plates in a zip lock bag inside a small box inside my kitchen fridge. Last time I left them for hibernation for almost 2 1/2 years. The parafilm on all plates was partly ripped (probably from age) and the agar was beginning to dry up. It has already shrunk by about 10%. It wasn't looking too good. I let them rest outside of the fridge for 2 days to slowly wake them up. Put a couple of transfers on fresh agar. 3 days and nothing was happening. I was afraid that my little friends had already died. But on day 4 it kinda looked more fluffy and it started to crawl down the edges of the little agar transfers. Now on day 5 it made the jump to the fresh new agar. The little fuckers are still alive and kickin'Mushrooms are incredible creatures.how does /diy/ store their mushroom?
