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I’m on the verge of losing my well paid white collar job- I’m on a pip and it’s not going well so I’m likely going to be funemployed soon. Im not sure I want to go back to that kind of work, it’s changing a lot with ai and probably won’t exist in a few years anyway. I make 200k in a hcol area, which means if I want a hustle to be equivalent it’s gonna need to make like $100hr. I think at that bill rate I can’t do anything commodity, it’d have to be custom/expensive, so I can’t run a print farm and sell flexidrsgons, but instead like life size T. rex skeleton sculpture cast in aluminum for a museum. Alternatively my buddy owns his own cncs and runs 3 big cncs for aviation parts, I could probably learn to run some cncs and buy some more and maybe hire technician to grow his business. Anyone done anything like this? At my salary level diy is hard to get to pencil out
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Take all your vacation time and apply elsewhere. If they fire you for taking vacation time you can sue
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>>2999617
>make 200k/yr
>new job needs to make me 100/hr
Now I cant answer your question, but I can call you a faggot retard. At 200k/yr you should have 0 debt and so much socked away in retirement funds, brokerage accounts, precious metals, and crypto that you can tell the world to fuck off for at least a decade, but you made this thread so probably not. I'll say this, when you have a solid defense, the offense doesn't need to work as hard. And when there's not a lot of pressure on the offence, you don't have to ask the biggest collection of retards on the internet for job advice
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>>2999631
I have unlimited pto so not really an option.
>>2999632
I’ve been working for like 15 years and have a bunch saved-invested but am nowhere near retirement. I have young kids so I will have lots of expenses for many more years. I could stop working for at least a decade but then I’d be in my 50s and broke. I want to restore my income stream so I continue to save for my retirement.
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>pay me $100/hour outside of my vocation
That's not how it works.
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>>2999676
I mean if I can produce goods/services for customers whose willingness to pay >= 100/hr then yeah, that’s what it is. I don’t think that’s impossible. I have done consulting in the past and billed more than that, but that was all techy-office work.
I want to use my hands/mind in a more practical sense so that’s why I’m investigating some kind of diy/physcial gig itt.
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>>2999617
>I’m on a pip and it’s not going well so I’m likely going to be funemployed soon
You have to be a special kind of retard to get put on a PIP. Pure skill issue.
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>>2999640
>>I have unlimited pto so not really an option.
holy kek. why do people fall for this shit?
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>>2999617
>I’m on a pip
A pip means you're fired but they don't have a good reason to fire you yet. You should have been looking for a job the second they brought up the word pip.
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>>2999617
You know, if you're cosplaying as a clown, you should at least put in some effort. Take these two for reference.
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>>2999617
Yeah I did a little research and in my state I think I can still get unemployment for 26 wks at the max amount of 1200/wk even if I fail the pip, and I just need to apply for 3 jobs/wk to stay eligible. So maybe I’ll do that and take a staycation/spend time with my kids/do adventures etc. I think it’s all fair as long as I don’t make an income and do at least the bare minimum. So maybe I can do hobby stuff during unemployment and see if any of it is actually fulfilling to be doing commercially.
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>>2999687
You gotta know how to abuse it. At my job, if you got the request in far enough out no one would ask about it. There almost always wasn't a conflict with anyone else's requests and, by the time it was actually coming up, it had been on the board so long they basically forgot about it. "Doctors appointment? You gotta use sick time." Well, if I put it in 2 months out, they won't ask and I won't tell. Fuck it. I'll schedule it for a Monday and request the whole day. "Vehicle service? We won't give you time off for that." Schedule that one for a Tuesday after a holiday to get a 4 day weekend. Picking up someone from the airport? I'm awful tired from being on the road for 2 hours round trip, better put in for the the whole day.

You know when I wouldn't request time off? Major holidays. The lead up to Christmas on through New Years and the week after was peak. All of our clients are closed, most of the staff are gone, and the bosses are out of the country. I would come in and all of my work would be done in the first hour. Last year it was literally myself, one assistant, and my supervisor (who took me under his wing and explained how to do all this shit in the first place) literally watching Netflix and eating company snacks for two and a half weeks. We got three calls the whole time. I took 176 hours of PTO last year and didn't once take more than two days off.

Now, if they track your billable hours, that is a different story. I would have been fucked if they did that.
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>>2999617
How can I fumble into a $200k/yr job that I'm not qualified for?? Please share
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>>2999779
I had previously been making 150k at this company but did an internal transfer to my current role for 200k. It’s got some commonality to my prior job but it’s different enough from my past work that I’m not that good at it (yet/or maybe ever) So I guess I was good enough at the interview to get the new job and ‘fake it til I make it’ for a while but now it’s all tumbling down before I got to the ‘make it’ stage. Cest la vie I guess.
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>>2999766
tl;dr
if you're working at a place with "unlimited" PTO, you don't, in fact, have "unlimited" PTO. you're at the mercy of your manager, who, at most places, will get mad if you take more than four weeks off during the year. additionally, "unlimited" PTO means if you leave the company, you don't get paid for unused time. taking a job with "unlimited" PTO is basically an automatic pay cut.
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>>2999617
take a chunk of savings and put it into something so common it's obscure. like a spring factory. or a quarry. had a friend that bought a quarry for whatever mineral goes into kitty litter, he makes a shit ton now. the craft-adjacent mainstream stuff is all being undercut by chinks. or just buy a couple car washes. my 250k tech job is safe, if you think ai is going to take your job you're fucking retarded
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>>2999855
depends on the company. if they're sticklers about YTO they'll be sticklers about PTO as well. getting PTO paid out really doesn't matter that much at 200k/yr. pre-tax you're getting 9k/check, 4 weeks would be 18k/tax which comes out to like 12k take home. nice but not a huge deal, i spend more than that on a whim
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>>2999855
>>2999861
>>2999766
Yeah the unlimited pto thing is fine, I take enough that I’m not getting screwed. Also I’m mid career and have worked many jobs so I know several company/industry norms and can adjust. I mostly take time off when my breadwinner wife does.
>>2999856
I’ve been thinking about this too. That’s why I’m considering going into cnc business with my buddy. I’m pretty entrepreneurial so I think I could help scale it from fun money side hustle to real money.
I’m kinda at a junction- I see 4 choices.
1. Stay unemployed. Be the primary caretaker for my small kids. Save a small fortune in daycare. Maybe go back to work in a few years once the kids are in school (or if schools suck homeschool the kids)
2. Get another well compensated corporate job, in the 200-250k range (and pay almost 6 figures in daycare, which is what I’m doing now.)
3. Found a company. I’ve got a y combinator worthy idea that I think could be successful but it’s high effort, high risk, uncertain payout.
4. I do some kind of running a diy/trades/skilled thing business.
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All of you faggots are the epitome of disgusting.
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>makes $4k/week
>still pays half his income to daycare
lmao what is this trap
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>>2999861
> getting PTO paid out really doesn't matter that much at 200k/yr. pre-tax you're getting 9k/check, 4 weeks would be 18k/tax which comes out to like 12k take home. nice but not a huge deal, i spend more than that on a whim
$12k cashed out from unused PTO is better than $0 from "unlimited" PTO.
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>>2999949
$0 for daycare if your wife is at home taking care of the children
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>>2999964
eh not really. i've made more than that just in stock this year, and if i cashed it out next year, i'll have done twice as good because of a better tax rate. who depends on or cares about a one time 12k payment? you're not even able to take your PTO then
>>2999917
sounds like you're in some sort of mid-life crisis. if you have kids i'd think long and hard; your happiness at work doesn't trump a consistent paycheck. i say buy real estate and build up some stable passive income until you can safely transition. with dependents your only option is #2. your kids will grow and not need daycare anymore anyways
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>>2999949
>>2999965
Yeah, except my wife makes 300k and has better promotion prospects than me, so by staying at home and taking care of the kids and a lot of running the home stuff like dr appointments, etc she is likely to get promoted soonish. Also we think that most schools nowadays are making the kids kind of regarded so with one of us home we can augment if it’s moderately bad or homeschool if it’s extremely bad
>>2999985
We have a lot saved/invested already, so we have some capital if we want to put it somewhere that needs more oversight like investing in a business.
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>>2999617
your acronym use tells me you will go far in some kind of management role
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Ok my current plan is, if I fail the pip, to spend the next few months doing the startup idea, but keeping the kids in daycare. Then make a go/no-go decision on viability of the startup. If viable, hopefully raise a round of funding, and work at the startup and pay for daycare. If not viable, pull kids out of daycare and be a houseband/stay at home dad at least for the next several years until all the kids are in school. I wonder if I can qualify for $ from the gov for having a home daycare like those Somalis did in Minnesota. I think taking more household-tasks off my wife’s plate will let her get promoted relatively quickly.

And I can also put the kids in some part time (3 hours) daycare (these are a LOT cheaper than the all day daycare we currently use) so I can have some focus time to relearn work skills before coming back to work when the kids are in school. I will probably do some part time daycare anyway because it’s good for them to socialize with other kids to not be weird homeschool kids.
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>>2999917
>Yeah the unlimited pto thing is fine, I take enough that I’m not getting screwed.
It's not "fine." You've basically taken a cut in time and money.
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>>3000047
>so by staying at home and taking care of the kids and a lot of running the home stuff like dr appointments
lol
lmao even
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>>3000093
As long as pto is above a minimum like 4 weeks I don’t really care, as the other poster said it’s kinda immaterial. Although even though I currently have unlimited I had a previous role where I did have a bank of pto so they might need to cash me out when they fire me, lol.
>>3000094
With my and my wife working all that small admin stuff adds up and does impact productivity. And with young kids it seems like someone is always sick, so that time off work cant be planned and it sucks for high effort work like we both do.
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>>2999617
How much Adderall is op on?
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>>2999617
Everyone just talking jobs and stuff but OP asked a diy question

In my opinion, no you can’t. Youre at a pretty high end career at 200k with as you say 15y experience. There’s no “diy gig” that takes 0 years of experience and gets you the equivalent income, or else everyone would be doing it (ie: people that at least have related experience). Anyone can buy a cnc and hire a guy and make money but that’s a capital investment or entrepeneurship profit not a diy thing. And you’re looking at typival ROI of what 20% tops, probably less. So you’ll make 200k if you invest a million it. Contractors make $100/hr solo but it’s a big experience and also reputation game to get there unless you have a super specific niche (like a baobab tree care expert or a porsche engine restorator or whatever) and can market it well
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>>2999964
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>>2999632
>>2999640
At $200k for 15 years you should have been able to put away minimum like $50k even in a HCOL area (share the area so we can shit on you I bet it’s Cali or New York or Florida where you can survive on $80k/$70k/$50k if you aren’t a fuckin asshole). Fuck I’ll go a step further and assume California, so you should have had like $130k after taxes. Max into an IRA (like $8000; $120k after 15 years not accounting for the average 4% return so actually more) and if you’re making $200k you definitely have an IRA and 401k at minimum so don’t say you don’t or I’ll be forced to assume you’re one of these tranny DEIs plopped into a position like this freak from Maine trying to get into senate. That leaves you with $122,000 over 15 years your savings alone would have over $1 million close to $2 million if you had no other investments which you claim to have multiple. You’re being vague and I can understand that but you should have multiple investments earning you a few thousand a year in interest right now on top of having massive savings. You should easily be making like $20k off interest which means you have fuck you money between that and the savings and can fuck off to some LCOL area get any easy job making $30k/year and live comfortably off the $50k knowing you can just stop working once you’re 65. And that’s assuming for California, you could be in a cheaper HCOL area for all we know. You’re either full of shit larping for fun or too dumb to be deserving of this job you’re about to lose. How the fuck do you spend 15 years making that much and not have the future handled.
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>>3000176
Don't live in shithole states that don't pay out PTO. Simple as.
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>>3000234
its ridiculous how much pto got bled off during the kungflu before people got fired
t. got laid off from the govt with 0 hrs of 8 yrs worth of sick leave remaining in 2020
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I love when customers call at 5:30pm on Friday wondering if they can get something.
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>>3000235
I thought there was a bunch of programs especially for the government tk give you free paid pto
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>>2999766
I pay for all kinds of insurances, mandatory by law. Dental, vision, general health, etc but never once have I been able to use them, for years now. Whenever I request time off for these things, we're always too busy. Insurance is a fucking scam
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>>3000234
No income tax in Wyoming
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>>3000205
Me (200k) and wife (300k) save a ton and it’s all invested and growing. It’s just with so many small kids we have big expenses for a long time. For example do you know how much college costs? When I went to an expensive private college it was 40k/yr, in 2026 it’s 90k/yr. By the time my kids go, if trends hold it will be 150-200k/yr. Obviously idk if my kids will go there or if trends will hold but thinking about how much money we’ll need in 20 years means we need a TON of money now. If we were childless we could FIRE already but we aren’t so we can’t.
I live in wa now and have family here so don’t really want to move. It’d be cheaper to move but my wife’s 300k job wouldn’t exist there, or if it did it’d pay hugely less. Wa is a big tech hub so there’s many companies that pay well here. If we were somewhere with only one tech company you’d never get enough raises ( due to the companies competing to hire the best talent) to beat inflation.
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>>2999617
Yeah dude buy a dmg Mori DMU 60 and a mazak integrex when you’re unemployed, buy them brand new worry about not having any experience machining at all after you pay off the machines
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>>3000263
The two of you get compensated a house a year and you still have credit card debt?

Lifestyle inflation has hit you hard dude

Go back to shopping at Walmart and dollar tree and driving a 10 year old Toyota and eating left overs for dinner

If you had a 200k job for more than 3 months you should not have any debt, if you’ve had this job for 2 years along with your wife’s 300k you should have fuck your money
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>500k annual household income is asking diy how to do what we do

I think you got this chief.
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I love how all the economists here think that a 200k salary means OP is taking home 200k. I'm at 205k (not bragging) and after taxes, insurance and retirement, my take home is closer to 75k.
I got laid off in March but I also have about 2 years of savings that I'm living off of. Just watching it slowly disappear though. Anyways, I started a small healthcare consulting business for some small practices in my area with docs that I've worked with in the past. I'm not making the same amount of money but it's keeping me busy for about 10 hours a week. It's a tough job market out there right now. If you can keep your job, absolutely try to keep it. Otherwise, polish up your resume and try to find a niche where a.i. won't replace you in two years.
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>>3000235
>got laid off from the govt with 0 hrs of 8 yrs worth of sick leave remaining in 2020
Laid off? From a government job? In 2020?
Skill issue. Has to be.
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>>3000257
Based.
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>>3000118
Project Management is this guy's real ticket. If we was not an actual middle management retard, he could move into project management pretty easily with little experience. Not that you would be making 200k a year right out of the gate, but maybe 80-100k. I run the commercial roofing division of a medium sized GC, and while my salary isn't anything amazing (85k +15k bonus), the commission on what I sell and manage at 5% of the gross and then an additional 3% over 5 million for my division is pretty great. I'm at 3.1 million now, and I've been with the company for 4 months. They also pay my health insurance, per diem when traveling, my daily expenses for "work" (lol), and a take home truck I can use as my personal vehicle with a gas card. I'll even have the chance to buy in 2 years from now. The company has been in business for 40 years, and the original owner (who is still involved) sold it two of his salesmen, so they want to continue doing the same which is why they brought someone like me on board.
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>>3000553
This is just what the world needs, more know-nothing project managers. Hopefully they can earn 100-250 thousand on the backs of 18/hour laborers.
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>>3000268
>A rare trvth nvke Sieg post...
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>>3000268
But they need a massive mcmansion and they need to hire mexicans to do the gardening and they need to heat and cool the mcmansion and they need at least 4 brand new cars because if their daily driver breaks down, they can't get to work and get fired. And they need at least 2 cruise vacations and 2 exotic destination vacations a year because they earn so much they need to spend like rich people.
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>>2999617
machinists in the US make like 22 bucks an hour with engineer level experience
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>>3000263
Do you realize that the cost of college is not meant to be paid by a kid or his family?
>School actually only needs $10k for the student
>School marks up the price to $80k
>School sends letter to kid
>60% off this STEAL of a deal!!! Just because you're SMART and SPECIAL and we would love to have you here!! We're basically your family now!
>Most of that 60% is probably subsidized by the state and federal government
>Government pays ~$8k
>You need $24k more in private scholarships and cash payments
Numbers may vary. The school will beg for money after you leave
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>>3000632
Really? I get paid more than $60. Been here 12 years. I'm at a big company and a unionized shop. Not the cheapest CoL area though. But it could be worse.
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>>3000647
I was making like $18/hr after about 2.5 years exp started off running a cnc lathe and a manual hardinge during cycle times at $14/hr did that for a month before getting up to $15 at a new place that was 3 months then $16 for 6 months etc

I was mostly doing that to learn the trade though.

$22/hr would have been maybe supervisory level

The highest I made it to was “lead” , I don’t like being in management everyone else’s fuckups is your fuckup so if the idiots that they hired suck at their job you as the lead gets in trouble for it

So I got another job where I was a contributor again and sent any managment push

But yeah at $18 an hour I was setting up and programming 4 different machines then running a manual lathe or Bridgeport during the cycle times

That was too much, it was easy once it was dialed in and the Bridgeport had a power feed in Y so it was easy and the lathe had power feed in Z but not X but whatever it was easy too

I would watch YouTube while running 4 cnc machines and power feeding a manual lathe wearing long sleeves though so I’m kinda retarded….

Mostly watching Joshua bardwell or joe Rohan back then lol
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>>3000646
I never got a scholarship outside of ones that my parents got through their work

All I ever got was a grant for a few grand for text books

You as the student get penalized for what your parents earn, you have to input that in your fafsa and they check it through the taxes your parents filed

There are ways to make college cheaper like going part time. If full time is 40 credits and you take like 37 or 35 credits you still pay the jnstage part time tuition which is a lower cost per credit hour

You can go to the library to use the text books for your class (on school library not your city library)

Which gives you a distraction free air conditioned environment to do your homework
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>>3000567
Mu sub pays them 35-40 per hour, and I pay him 60-70. I don't know where this came from that Mexicans are cheap. Yeah, retarded Mexicans are cheap. So are retarded white guys. i don't use retards.
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>>3000658
The real trick is not doing private college. OP is in WA, what's wrong with UW that's not wrong with every college in the nation

But really, OP's mistake was having kids.
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>>3000670
You're on the coast. Cut that in half for red states, Mexican or 10 year tradie sans union.
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>>3000647
He's in some kind of nightmare hellscape where machining pay is about as bad as it gets, either that or he was at a pants on head retarded fucked up company and couldn't/wouldn't go anywhere else. $22/hr would be low for an unskilled operator right off the street in my area.

I'm looking at doing the same thing as you btw, going back to school for machining after burning out on mechanic work and hoping to get into one of the big union shops, I've talked to guys at Boeing in Portland and they're making $70/hr before OT after 6-7 years there, one guy told me he was clearing 150k/yr with very reasonable OT. I think I have a decent shot given I can pass background and drug tests too, which puts me ahead a hell of a lot of candidates out there.
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>>3000768
They are not making $70 there, though after the 9% raise in September they will only be a dollar or two shy. The wage card can be looked up as they're union.

https://www.iam751.org/?zone=/unionactive/private_view_page.cfm&page=Wage20Card

Grade 8 is a normal machine operator. You go to max wage at 6 years. I don't think it says this on the card.b
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>>3000762
Wrong, I am in Indianapolis. My subs even go through the CCM training because we do RapidLock. This is a RapidLock job. Just because they are Mexicans doesn't mean they are cheap. I also don't do cheap jobs, so why the fuck would I want a cheap (aka shitty) subcontractor when I've got 110k in extra special order shit?
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>>3000781
Ah, yeah, I must have conflated it with something else in my memory. Fwiw I was looking at 2nd shift which adds a bit (and would be better for me as a single guy who wants to have a social life anyway), maybe I worked out the post-OT average and remembered that.

I did hear about the 6 year thing, the big question for me would be how long it'd take to get in there to begin with, I'm already pushing 40 and hoping the machining associate's degree + some semi-relevant experience and clean record will let me get to the top of the Boeing pay scale (or some other comparable company) before I'm 50 but idk how likely that is, I'd be right at the minimum end of what they seem to be looking for in terms of experience in new hires.
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>>3000783
So, the point you're making is any consultant can step right into your shoes with zero blue collar experience?
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>>2999682
If you have savings to get you through a HCOL area for a decade then just move to a LCOL area and live for 2 decades into your 60s on it. If you make even a fraction of what you make now in a LCOL area, that income will carry you another decade into your 70s at which point you'd be drawing social security / retirement, and your kids would be grown and you can mooch off of them.
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>>3000797
I would just apply to some random stuff. Shop Helper is a janitor, but for in the shop, so anyone could do it. There is likely some entry level assembly, hand deburr, etc. Apply for anything you think you are qualified for. Once you are in, you have all the benefits, even if not the pay. You are also then putting in time towards your 6 years to max out, as well as building seniority, which affects many things, including the order layoffs happen. As of this current contract, you don't reset the 6 years for changing labor grades. So there's no penalty for coming in on one job, then switching before 6 years are up. I don't know if trade school or a machining degree can help you as far as negotiating a higher than the standard starting wage. AFAIK it is just from job experience doing a similar job. It depends on how desperate they are to fill a job I guess.

Once you are in though, you can still go get a degree. The company will pay for it in fact. There are also internal ways to train and qualify for more advanced jobs. These are way less good as far as actually learning how to be skilled and such. Arguably, the best thing is actual job experience, then trade school/CC classes, and then the internal training. The internal training is pretty sparse, and is more of a thing to do to prove minimum competency rather than actually learn for the most part. No matter what, you need to do that training to prove to the company you can do the more advanced jobs, but it is not much to go off of if you want to actually get skilled.
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>>3000817
Maybe, but apparently not because the company that now employs me has been looking for quite some time for someone with the skill sets I have to run their commercial roofing division. I've been doing this for 17 years, and I'd like to think I'm pretty good at it. I also meet consultants and forensic engineers all the time that know literally nothing, so it's definitely possible a tard could wrangle one of those jobs for sure. I let a forensic engineer on a flat roof last week that actually admitted to me he knows absolutely nothing about single ply roofing...and he's there to do a forensic inspection on a single ply roof. Why the fuck you need a forensic inspection for an HVAC guy dragging a RTU across the roof and poking 20 holes in it is beyond me.
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>>3000840
I get the philosophy there. I've got a year left on my degree and can live with my folks for free while finishing it though, and trying to get in at Boeing or similar in a lower level position would be tricky because it's not local (I'm Central OR right now, about 3 hours away from PDX) and I'm not sure it'd pay enough to cover rent in the area. I think it's probably more viable to finish the degree, do a few years locally, and then be able to apply right into a machinist position at one of the big guys. Thankfully we've got quite a bit of manufacturing locally and some of it pays pretty decently.
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>>3000817
>communist keeps trying to argue against management and gets gaped
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>>3001108
>Marxism is expecting individuals to have some field experience before walking into 6 figure
middle management

You've established a caste system, dumb fuck.
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>>3001049
Yeah, that's probably the better plan then based on your situation. You will learn much more in a small shop anyway. Just be careful safety-wise. A corporate shop has lots of downsides, but they are indeed pretty serious about safety where a small shop isn't.
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>>3001129
fwiw most of the opportunities here are decent-size manufacturing businesses that are pretty corporate too, obviously there are a few job shops or other places stuck in the stone age but they're the minority.

That said I'm almost certainly the best manual machinist to come out of this program in years, I put in a lot of extra hours in the shop and went out of my way to use equipment other students never touched like 4 jaw chucks, indexing table for the mill, etc. so it might make sense to try for a manual position somewhere and that'd more likely be an old-school shop, but I've also been told that the places that need manual are desperate and willing to pay very well for it.
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Just manage a Buc-ee's
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>>3001512
I went to my first Buc-ee's a few years ago. It was the New Braunfels location. It was the most people I have ever seen in one place outside of a concert. Walmart on Black Friday was close but for Buc-ee's it was Tuesday. It was like a fucking bee hive. I hear they treat you well there but having to deal with that many people on a daily basis must be a nightmare.
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>>2999632
>conveniently missed the part where he mentioned living in a high cost of living area
Amazing how nobody on this site can read anymore.
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>>3001630
There are different degrees to high cost of living. I live near Portland OR, and 200k would be pretty damn nice. I'm guessing that's 3rd world poverty tier if you were in San Jose though.
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>>3001652
I'm the anon who was talking about eventually going to Boeing in PDX. I don't love the area but the moderate CoL is definitely an upside, I could actually have a pretty good life on what they pay.

I think 200k in San Jose these days would rent you a decent apartment but you'd never have any hope of home ownership there.
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>>2999617
>I think at that bill rate I can’t do anything commodity, it’d have to be custom/expensive, so I can’t run a print farm and sell flexidrsgons, but instead like life size T. rex skeleton sculpture cast in aluminum for a museum. Alternatively my buddy owns his own cncs and runs 3 big cncs for aviation parts, I could probably learn to run some cncs and buy some more and maybe hire technician to grow his business. Anyone done anything like this? At my salary level diy is hard to get to pencil out

Bro you cannot "startup" industrial production in the same way you can with consulting, project management or any other variety of bullshit corporate jobs. If there is a market for some kind of fabrication, it has been cornered already with many other small businesses ruthlessly crushed or else outsourced to China.

What you are talking about is essentially starting a small scale factory with zero idea about what you actually want to produce, zero idea of the logistics behind industrial production and zero insight into the local market demands where you live that could even make this pipe-dream feasible.

If your pip is going so bad that you can't even apply for other jobs in your industry after working there 15 years and are fantasizing about starting a 3rd world tier factory in a garage somewhere then you've done something horribly wrong and your whole world is about to fall apart. Your wife will 100% divorce you and take the kids if it's true that she's the primary earner and you're considering even becoming a janitor somewhere.
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>>3001512
This is the way. Excellent pay, health care, and retirement.
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>>2999617
don't sign the pip

you can disagree that your performance needs improvement
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>>3001825
You can start up production at home

It’s just that your product has to be so good and so in demand that diy tier production methods are over looked due to usefulness
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>but instead like life size T. rex skeleton sculpture cast in aluminum for a museum

Dude. Get off the drugs and go suck your bosses dick for your job back. Holy shit.
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>>2999917
What’s your net worth
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>>3000047
How the fuck have you been making up to $500k for fifteen years and not have enough to retire? Tf is wrong with you? I retired a millionaire after making less for like 5 years
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>>2999687
Qrd on what this actually means?
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>>3002427
Dude has kids. Kids will suck up every bit of extra money you have.
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>>3002520
Means you get 0 PTO

If you request some , it gets denied outright

If you use “too much” which is usually less than a week a year

They retaliate
Mits basically a trick so employees end up never taking paid time off outside of days they’re sick with a note

And if they get fired or laid off then the company doesn’t have to pay accrued hours they denied

Basically a scam in every way
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>>3002520
If you have to ask, you don't need to know.
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>>3000263
Cost of college should decline in the future due to declining population
Unless we import another 50 million browns I guess
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here I am, bashing my head into a wall trying to get a decent job in a remote or office setting so I can stop ruining my back with labor jobs.

And wishing I could just research particles all day and engineer cool doohickeys.
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>>3002585
Women insist on spending any liquidity said money on those kids is more accurate but yea.
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It’s a true testament to the American economy that people as delusional as op can make it into adulthood and support families.



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