If you were starting over at 30 more or less, what trade would you go into?
>>3005217White collar work. Insurance underwriter or other nonsense that legally has to be licensed, since thatll be harder for AI to replace.This is your one and only life, only body, dont trash it for a stupid paycheck
>>3005217start over at 30? ur life is basically already over at that age
>>3005217Fire alarm guy
>>3005217specialized electrical work: high voltage lineman, industrial electrician, PLC/controls/instrumentation programmer, avionics, etc. basically something where there's not a lot of physical labor and where the nature of the work filters out retards. aviation mechanic is another good one if you like mechanical more than electrical.
>>3005217Is site health and safety and option where you are? Wandering around with a clipboard saying "not like that" on an absurd day rate sounds like a good gig.
>>3005264PLC programming goy is a good one. It’s just a bunch of I/O switches. Those guys get paid well contracting themselves out.
>>3005217I had a conversation about this topic with a coworker a few weeks ago. These are some of our thoughts>high barrier of entryYou want something that it's difficult to get into either by certification or liability or skills. That is, rather cleaning industrial waste than cleaning homes.>expensive to replaceIf it's cheap or will be cheap there's a tendency to just replace it>big enough so it's hard to movea $5k watch can easily be repaired overseas but not a lot people will ship a power station overseas to get repairs>should work with your strengthskind of obvious but if you suck at detail work and it's your job you're gonna do a bad job and earn below averageThese suggestions >>3005264 look pretty good in that light. And a few unqualified thoughts from me: elevator mechanic, industrial millwright (power industry), industrial HVAC/R technician and locomotive mechanicIf I had to choose I would go: industrial electrician or HVAC/R. I would focus all my energy for a few years just on getting really good at it, studying, doing extra courses, etc. to stand out
>>3005267If the only tool in the truck is you it ain't a trade.
>>3005271Elevator tech is another good one.Some of the other ones, like an actual J-man industrial electrician would be nice but doing it at 30+, it’s hard to go down to apprentice pay for 5 years. I would’ve shot for the IBEW if I were able to stomach the pay cut. Instead I went from driving a truck to industrial maintenance-mechanic, there’s physical labor but I get to fuck with enough different stuff that I figure I can specialize in a couple more years if this becomes too much. Also it’s teaching me a lot more so I can comfortably take on side jobs if I want to.
have rich parents
>>3005217X-ray or ultrasound tech, or just nursing. I would be making 1-200k to sit on my ass and fill out forms.
>>3005281Maintaining imaging equipment might be a good living but nursing is a fucking hard job.
>>3005282Depends what nursing job you get .
>>3005282(Night shifts at the old people ward is mostly just sitting on your ass and giving people orange juice if they wake up and ask you for something)
>>3005285Fuck the night shift. If you ever want to live a normal, healthy life, do not do night shift.Also nursing will only work if you’re gay and like woman drama.
>>3005285>mostlyand then they piss and shit all over themselves and you're giving a 90-year old woman with dementia a sponge bath
I'd try and get a railroad job... Those guys got it made.
>>3005217The exact same - electrical then into instrumentation so I can stack the dual ticket and get a comfy E+I job. I would've gone into industrial construction thoughbeit, I'd be making the same (200k+) but much sooner
>>3005264>>3005270I went for automation / PLC stuff, and found out afterward that, at least here in northern Yurp all the programming and interesting stuff is done by consultants with engineering degrees, at least in the larger organizations I've been at.It's all just maintenance. Which is fine, but not the impression one might get from the courses at trade school in my experience.
>>3005338probably varies from place to place. when i worked in a factory the industrial electricians were trained on PLCs and would routinely troubleshoot PLC problems and do basic tweaks to the control loops. but whenever things went seriously wrong or a significant overhaul was planned, they would fly in consultants from bosch rexroth.
I’m debating between sprinklers/drainage, bookkeeping/accounting, and sales.I like working outside and digging but doesn’t seem like a high ceiling for that kind of work , accounting is drudgery but higher ceiling , and then I’d maybe like to practice sales for a company cause I’m not such a go getter I can do it all myself.Might just work at the garden center we’ll see Saw on the news last night we’re losing construction jobs but seeing growth in the healthcare and private education sectors
>>3005511I’ve been reading for at least a year now that healthcare is the fastest growing sector in the US, and you always see people on job related posts mention it at least once. I guess it’s understandable given the aging populations and lower birth rates of many western countries.
>>3005217Police. Just sit on my fat ass collecting double overtime and getting top benefits because "the jails are full, tyrone cant go to jail because jamal is still serving 10 years of his 20 year sentence for selling $5 worth of crack" then retire early with a 6 figure pension and get an office job the next day to make another salary.
>>3005217Corrections, it's what I did. If you aren't morbidly obese and have a clean record go for it. It's easier than you think and if you can't handle it you would probably get bullied out of most entry level trades anyway. Go for state, county is a hellhole. The money is bad on paper but usually goes up after a year and you'll make more with overtime. If you don't want to work a shitload of mandatory overtime don't do this. If you're opposed to the idea of lots of overtime while looking to start over at 30 your options to make a lot of money are very limited.
>>3005293That's a job for the jeet LPN, not the nurse
>>3005557Jeets are residents and physicians, not LPNs or actual nurses
>>3005217prompt engineer
>>3005554I did an interview for a state job. It was a panel of people who had made up sounding titles like “Assitant HR hiring manager supervisor” and I sort of made up my mind that it was stupid before the questions started and got an email like 9 months later saying they chose another candidate (obviously because I answered their dumb questions with smartass answers).Most people seem to like their city/county jobs, at least the ones I know. Although my Monday morning did start out like picrel, always a good time whe the cobalt bits and helicoils are broken out.
>>3005217whichever union I could get accepted to.
>>3005630Any local/state/federal job is going to be filled with HR bullshit, play the game to get the job and don't talk like a maniac at work, that's all it is. I work in one of the wokest states around and I'm fine. My state was so desperate the interview wasn't even an interview, they just talked to a bunch of us at a table and had us start filling out information for the background check. Later I had an interview with the captain at the prison but that was basically a formality, as long as you pass the background check the job is yours.
>>3005217Probably plumbing or electrical.I like how plumbing is a little mix of everything, but electrical is probably less shitty on your body. But personally I'm going from trades to engineering.
>>3005217Anything where everyone is ultra dependant on you. If a job site or office is shut down until that one guy shows up and fixes X, be that guy. Do not under any circumstance think that "field X is on the rise and people are making good money doing it, I'll just do that!". Any shortage is generally overfilled after a short period if there's no barrier to entry. Lift technicians for instance have to be grandfathered in and it's a totally unique skillset. Work your ass off and learn everything you can in whatever you pick, and then start your own company doing it.Barring that there are niche markets everywhere, try to figure out how to specialize in whatever trade you're already in.
>>3005217Construction sales and management. I know literal retards that make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year chasing hail storms on the sales end only. I have a sales and commercial roofing management job that pays me hundreds of thousands a year, but I've also done the both of these examples for 17 years. Unlike all the other replies, I am pretty happy to not be trapped in the office all fucking day. It's the perfect balance of being outside and not having to do any real work while being outside. Long story short, sales will always be in high demand because someone has to go get the business. As long as you're not absolutely retarded, you can learn the construction aspect on the job. Even then, being a literal drooling retard isn't a barrier to entry or barrier to making a lot of money.
>>3006761See I keep getting the impression that all the money is in sales , even in your own job search if you’re not relentlessly selling yourself you’re leaving money on the table .. where would u start if u had a degree and a smidge of construction experience ? Knocking on doors selling roofs ?
Plumbing, it has very little glamour but that's the thing, how many kids are excited about fixing shitters and learning how water systems work? Electrician is saturated as fuck but being a plumber in the sticks is gonna constantly keep you busy. If an outlet or light stops working it's no big deal, even hvac can wait. But if a pipe starts leaking badly... people can't do anything but live on bottled water or else their house will get wet and moldy.But it can be shitty. It usually isn't though.
>>3006765You CAN knock on doors selling roofs, but that's hail/wind storm related shit generally, of which the season is over for that. I can tell you that when I stormed, I literally never knocked a door. I am a very strong sales person, so I would get most of business from referrals off leads. Word of mouth is powerful when there is tens of thousands of jobs to do in a given area. Word of mouth is obviously powerful overall, but you aren't going to banging out 2-500k a month in sales from word of mouth without a hailstorm. A degree is helpful, since it proves you aren't a retard. Retards are pervasive in this business. Because you can make a retarded amount of money in a relatively short amount of time and there are basically zero background checks at almost all construction companies, it attracts felons, dope fiends, scammers etc. Proving you are not retarded and reliable goes a long way. I actually just took a real job 6 months ago. I was 1099 for 17 years, either on a gross profit split or 10/50/50 working claims. The contractor I run operations for now asked me what I wanted, I told them...and they just gave it to me. I would be retarded not to take the job, so I did.
>>3006765And yes, all the money is in sales. However, invariably 90% of the sales come from 10% of the sales force. I can tell you as someone that distributes leads, I don't give big money jobs/great leads to weak sales people.
>>3005264This is doing my head in, I swear to fuck I wrote this exact reply in a different thread a few months ago.
>>3005217I'm starting over in machining at 40, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you're in one of the few regions where the pay/cost of living equation actually works out and you really think you've got it to stand out above 90% of the competition (just being sober with a clean record does a lot for that though) or your own unorthodox business plan. I'm actually hoping to either become a traveling install/training guy for a machine company or work my way up into more of a manufacturing engineer role, which is somewhat common, but I'm also looking at big union shops in my region, like Boeing, where you can make 100k+ pretty easily after a few years there.
>Geomatics is an umbrella term that includes the tools and techniques used to analyze the Earth's surface. These can range from land surveying, remote sensing, nautical charts, cartography, geographic information systems (GIS), and several other related forms of earth mapping.Anyone do any of these?Starting over at 35 soon when my boss sells his business, studying geomatics is the only thing that seems interesting so far. I've always liked maps and it seems like you can find a good balance between indoors and outdoors work.
>>3005217Military or cop, nothing else matters anymore.
>>3005217The question is irrelevant as times have changed from when I was 30s more or less.What is marketable now and what technologies are developing in the here and now that is viable?
