>>3006423
>How would you proceed
hope for the best
expect the worst
at least theyre stubbed far enough out of the wall to replace
id personally just shut the house feed main off and not touch those valves

So the funny thing with nuts and bolts is a piercing valve for your ice maker I assume
You have two or three options anon, none of them are super easy but the good news is once you fix it you'll be set for probably another 30 or 40 years at least.

1) Replace just the valves, they're likely soldered on given the age but I have no idea. Find out, if soldered you'd want to use a propane torch with a heat proof blanket protecting the wall. Melt solder and pull em off. Replace the piercing valve with another piercing valve, obviously shut off all the water before doing any of this. Use either compression, sharkbite or solder a new one if you're really feeling adventurous
2) This time cut the pipe before the pierce hole and again, use compression/sharkbite/solder, but get a shut off valve with a 2nd water outlet. Reduce it down to 1/4 for the water line

Did I miss anything plumbing anons

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>>3006427
or just turn off the main

If they start to leak then they'll need replacing anyways. Installing a new faucet is the perfect time to see how well they work. I think you're being a bit too paranoid, they're not going to blast off and flood your house.

>>3006432
Sure that works too, but why not have functioning valves under the sink? You could fix this in like an hour with a pipe cutter.

>>3006427
>>3006424
Thanks

>>3006423
locate main, and associated shutoff for the whole house.
Shut off water.
Replace service valves.
Replace faucet.
Turn water back on.

>>3006449
This

>>3006423
Turn off main and replace the valves with 1/4 turn stops.

>>3006423
Put a drop of sewing machine oil on them a day before you try to turn them. You want to oil on the stem of the handles, so it will get down into the gasket that you can't really see. Jiggle them gently at first, and let them come free gently.

>>3006423
step 1: locate main shut-off so that you know where it's located in case of leak
step 2: close valves under sink, change faucet
step 3: open valves. done


99.99% they won't leak so preemptively changing is a retarded waste of time imo

>>3006423
shut off the house's water main, drain lines by opening faucets and flushing, replace your two corroded shut off valves, replace the faucet, clear silicone around seams if you're into it

You need two wrenches to tighten the compression fittings on the valves. One crescent and one channel lock work fine. I don't believe there are any couplings with that or a faucet that will require thread tape/thread compound but either of those is always good to have on hand when entering plumbing adventures.

I once had the main shutoff start leaking, we had to switch off the breaker to the well pump and drain like 40 gallons of water from the house.

>>3006449
this but dont forget the bucket to hold the extra water that comes out when you thread that valve off or you'll be sorry

>>3006423
I treat those valves as single use items. I install separate shutoffs and only use those shit valves as adapters.

I always add cutoffs to isolate every area I work on i.e. "every cutoff gets a shutoff".

I sometimes add another, proper gate valve with a garden hose fitting to either feed a farm-grade hose to bypass areas I'm renovating or be fed from another area upstream. I can now bypass or replace my entire home and shop water system in case of any future need.

I also added a drain valve at the lowest point of my plumbing so I can shut off then dump the entire system in case of sub-freezing weather and power outage. Damage control costs very little.

>>3006427
>Did I miss anything plumbing anons
not really
for most people it's >just turn off the main and absorb the water
but then you still have useless shutoffs
but whatever, realistically nobody ever touches them unless changing a faucet and then...
>turn off the main
most important thing is making sure you have a reliably main shut off. brass, quarter turn
>>3006435
yeah, takes time and attention when alternatively you can just shut off the main
>>3006449
>>3006451
>3006451
>>3006540
majority of the time anything decades old that hasn't been used with rubber gaskets WILL leak
>t. service plumber
i refuse to touch old gate valves or non-brass valves without written agreement it isn't my fault if they leak and now need to be replaced

im not gonna call all of you as retarded as I do in some of the other threads, but everyone saying "just shut off the main" does have a level of retardation and blind assumption going on. any main will be pre water softener, filter, RO, etc so acting like the main is an end-all be-all solution isnt necessarily as big brained as you all think. LOOK at the damn thing first. They fail as well, and if you shouldnt fuck with the valves under the sinks because of age and lack of use, the main is not immune, it's usually just bigger.

personally, if the shutoff valve doesnt leak with full flow, but does turn, I just use a second shut off valve.

turn existing off. yes it leaks. put a thing under it to catch spillage. undo your connection. thread a brand new 10 dollar shutoff valve on top of your shitty old one. Close the new one. open the old one underneath it. congratulations, you now have returned the old one to the non leaking state it was in the last however many years, and you still have a layer of oh shit left with the main if things go sideways.

you snap a handle on a main, and you need to call the city. if you're on a well it's easier, just hit the breaker for the pump but immediately fucking with the biggest baddest valve in the house is a choice-
not one I like.

shutoff valve on a shutoff valve. do your work, walk away taking your working valves leaving a new faucet and the same damn valves under the sink that have always been there.

dumbasses

>>3006423
>but I'm scared of touching the shut off valves
Your problem is not mechanical, it's psychological.

>>3006779
>you snap a handle on a main, and you need to call the city
No. If your main shutoff is that corroded then you use a curb key and shut it off at the street, then drain the line and replace the main shutoff at your house.

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>>3006779
>you need to call
fucking helples citiots
there is no excuse to not own a meter wrench
that shit only breaks in the middle of the night on a holiday and the city wagie aint coming for 12hrs or more

>>3006779
>shutoff valve on a shutoff valve
this is actually a non code compliant thing. honestly don't know why, but redundant shut off valves are a code violation
>>3006785
and if the city valve don't work they fix it for free
so starting with main shutoff, which is much more important than a faucet shutoff you'll touch every 20 years, makes sense

>>3006816
>meter wrench
you can turn it with any wrench. i have a meter key but 9/10 times my pocket cobras do it

>>3006878

you dont leave it there you fucking retard. you use it as a functional shutoff while you do your work then take it with you

>>3006816

holy christ now yes we are devolving into just calling you people retarded you goddamned cousin fucking mouth breathing shitdick

if im talking putting a shutoff valve on a shutoff valve and then taking it with you to avoid touching a main you know nothing about, as the person hired or working as a favor for whatever reason...
yes, you are correct no self-respecting man would give a call to others to fixtheir own shit
but thats so clearly NOT THE FUCKING CONTEXT

choke on something, faggot
did i not point out that the breaker for the well pump?
i dont know why i even try.

i actually do. its because i actually enjoy calling retards like you retards. no one whos asking about leaky shutoffs gives a fuck about your picture, or has any idea what the fuck you are doing you self centered piece of garbage

and as the other anon pointed out, "needing" a meter wrench is not a thing

>>3006785

or you dont because time is money, and you dont need to do any of that or even crawl around in some shitty renters basement.

you do you though, retard

>>3007034
>time is money
This is why people diy. Do you follow the same philosophy when it's your own shit? Of course not. If you want something done right...
Keep waddling, fatso. lol

>>3007031
your inability to communicate your ideas and causing misunderstandings that irritate you is not my problem
>>3007033
like 'put a shut off valve on a shut off valve'
>install something down the line
>take the shut off valve you added to the shut off valve with you after installing something down the line

I'm sure whatever you're doing makes sense and works and is replicatable, however your word vomit and vitrol is not condusive to the thread

>>3006566
>bucket to hold the extra water that comes out when you thread that valve off
Find lowest sink in the house. Shut off main. Open lowest faucet and allow plumbing to drain there. Then replace valves.
Work is to be done at lowest point? Get a big bucket.

>>3007072

'condusive to the thread'

nah, you're just a faggot
could I have been clearer? used smaller words? imagined i was talking to someone with fetal alcohol syndrome? possibly.
given your assessment, am I gonna try more at getting a horse to drink, that what I described works fast, easy, and allows you to keep your paws off the main of unknown condition or am i just going to point out that for all that humanity has achieved, it's fucking sad its wasted on you?

probably the latter. you dumb fuck.

>>3008045
read it again and it still makes no sense unless you're talking about fpt 3/8 shutoff going onto existing shutoff. but even that would be easy to clarrify

it should be intuitively easy to be clear and specific when describing a real world practical situation, but you've just used vague references that don't translate clearly to a practical situation

this is the second time I'm explaining, nicely, that you are the retard who is not able to communicate with others

>>3008085

you absolute dunce
yes, by shutoff valve ON A SHUTOFF VALVE im saying you use a closed, new functional one on the one the leaks while you do your work. Thats why i didnt say down the line. also, down the line what, you complete retard, like splicing in another flex line? good god you fucking nonce

Cant believe i replied again, but you are mind blowingly retarded. could I have been clearer? possibly. you get what im saying, and are trying to lecture me on how I should say it so its conducive to the thread?

you flying FAGGOT
be glad im not calling you racial slurs. this is 4chan and you are mind blowingly retarded.
guarantee your mother drank with you in the womb

>im explaining nicely
FAGGOT

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>>3008237
>by shutoff valve ON A SHUTOFF VALVE im saying you use a closed, new functional one on the one the leaks while you do your work.
ok so the existing, supposed 5/8 by 3/8 compresson stop (example) is there and you just carry around a 3/8 compression stop?
not a bad idea desu
i've never had a reason to stock them but that's a decent novelty purpose. usually I just use the opportunity to sell more work for myself

>be glad im not calling you racial slurs. this is 4chan and you are mind blowingly retarded.
if it makes you feel better nigger. i didn't think it was crazy to ask for clarrification. i'm literally a service plumber that has done/sold nearly .5mil work this year, figured if it was unclear to me that the random joe you were talking to could also use more clarrification

like paragraphs of just raging about me asking for you to say '3/8x3/8 shutoff' and i'm the wacko

>>3008271

holy fuck
"not a bad idea"

congrats
thanks dickhead loser service plumber fuckface

outdone by a piece of shit maintenance guy whos disassembled a building meant to be demolished and built a house out of it. I dont need money. I need the world to be less fucked up.


Loooooooser. yes, it works well. Fast. Cheap as all get out. hides your tracks


LOOOOOOSER
im gonna go continue to do my victory drinking and roll around in it you dumb fuck

did you think i somehow was trying to tell people to put a ball valve under their sink then take it out???? what the fuck

maybe take a small degree of humbleness out into the world
and no bullshit you dumb fuck but using the n word is actually classless. and i grew up clicking on shoveldog.

Hahahhaha dumbass. owned.
throw numbers around like i care
throw numbers around like i didnt just spoon feed you the smartest idea youve heard this year.


you dumb fuck. what the fuck could I have meant by shutoff on a shutoff? pull your head out of your ass

dont use racial slurs, be humble, go do good work, recognize this is 4chan

condusive to the thread
lol
dumbass

additionally, before you double down

this is theatre
i appreciate you acknowledging the value of my idea
i came up with it because horrible people were charging too much for my time and I found a workaround

this is not the real world. this is 4chan. i dance around because of this. you tried to be nice, then you dropped th n bomb. I dont have much for morals but this is THEATRE
dont be a shithead, ok?
just cause i said it dont mean i meant it
lady gaga is a queen

>>3008293
K faggot, enjoying your drama class

Just wanted to let you know I stopped by the plumbing supply house today and it isn't even something they carry, I had them special order me 10 at $8 ea
They'll be here in two days

>>3006423
I exercise all shut-off valves once every day, and twice on sundays so they don’t seize-up.

…Like everybody else here, I’m sure.

>>3006423
I just did this. Just turn of the water to your house, open a hose outside to take the pressure out, get a big bucket, and replace those old valves with new quarter turn ones. Your water shutoff should be near the front of the house in a line straight up from your water meter by the curb. My house is old on posts so it's easy to get to right inside the crawlspace by the front door but new houses with foundations IDK where they put them. Turning off the water to your house is almost always the right first step for any plumbing job.
If those valves are just shoved at the end of the pipe rather than screwed on it's more complicated but still something you can do yourself, but it might be worth just replacing the faucet (with the house water shut off) then just having a plumber replace the valves next time you need to call one for a water heater or something, since they can do it in 5 minutes and generally won't charge too much extra if you're already paying them for another job.
But seriously just turn off the water to your house and fuck around, worst case you need a plumber to replace the valves and end up with nicely installed new valves.

>>3006449
Remember to open a hose faucet outside to take pressure out of the system.

>>3007214
Outside hose faucet. The pipe will run on the ground, so with it open, all the rest of the water in the house will go into that pipe. Saves the indoor plumbing from getting clogged with all the random gunk too.

>>3008488
> worst case
worst case you are me a month ago

the bottle trap under the sink leaks

u fiddle and the copper stub connecting the
trap to lead piping in the wall snaps

no one wants to repair lead

>>3008512
yeah If i get one of those jobs i'm straight up like... i'm gonna charge you $1000 to open the wall behind this cabinet and fuck with removing this pipe from the fitting below it to replace it
then that pipe/fitting is going to break, then i'm going be charging another $4000 to be channeling 20' through your flooring to find the next joint to attempt and rinse and repeat
i could use a shit ass dresser coupling on this broken part and put a new stub out for $800 (dresser couplings are expensive and I don't carry them with me)
but you really just need a $10k repipe and not to stress about this
i offer financing :)

>>3008518
>i could use a shit ass dresser coupling on this broken part and put a new stub out for $800 (dresser couplings are expensive and I don't carry them with me)
and there will be 0 warranty, you will be signing a disclaimer you are choosing to accept this terrible solution and are completely responsible

>>3006423
>I have touched valves in newer homes and they started to leak
Never speak to me or my Valve again.

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>>3006433
grey fins typed this post