What happened to small simple homes? I'm doing a few things for my grandmother at her house and I'm just amazed at how simple everything is. It's a rectangle with a living room, a kitchen and a few bedrooms. Everything is easy to work on, there's very little wasted space, etc. It has a great big backyard too. I know this is /diy/ and I apologize for asking here, but have we lost the plot with new homes? Seems like the goal now is to build such a big house that you no longer have to see each other. Were people just happier with less?
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>>3006544Well if your other option was an apartment with no yard, half as many bedrooms (so all the kids are sharing with someone), and a bunch of noisy neighbors above/below/beside you you would be pretty happy with that. Then as her kids moved out she never needed more space.
>>3006544People got fat, lazy, and comfortable(metaphorically but also physically). They don't have kids anymore because that's hard and demands sacrifice. They don't want to compromise their comfort for the sake of anything, so we see homes get bigger with more features to house fewer people.
yeah i have one 900sqft on paper, 1800 in practice with a big open half finished basement so we can still hide from each otheri love it, its cheap and easy to work onjust got a new roof for 4 figuresthe only real kind of issue i can think of is the bedrooms are teenylike basically room for big modern sized beds, a side table or 2, and thats itthe rest of the house is spacious and thoughtfully laid outi dont understand why people are memeing about tiny homes when older generations already figured it out
>>3006558Having kids isn't really an option when you can't afford healthcare, rent, or food.
>>3006579>ExcusesLook, I know you want to spend $15 on a burrito 3x a week and then blame your grandparents for fucking up the economy and the reason you can't start a family, but some of it is your fault.
Houses with complex roofs and lots of bits and piece sticking out look more impressive to normies so that's what's popular. It's mostly due to the homes of the wealthy being that way, though often as much for functional reasons as for impressing each other. Pic related might have 50% more usable floor space than the house you posted (or even less if the original house has depth) but most people are going to see pic related as being far more impressive. Even setting aside things like landscaping and general maintenance, complexity sells because it impresses. I love the simple layouts of older houses but they have a tendency to be in economically depressed area, which in current year also means high crime and "diversity". Blue collar working classes areas where risk is low if you don't go looking for trouble are mostly obsolete now.
>>3006582Yeah, bro. The $650 a month health insurance with a $5,000 deductible that I can't afford it *my fault* when minimum wage is still $290 a week for a full time job. Totally not some corpo suit shithead who wants a fat bonus for generating value for their shareholders. Or the politicians on the take from said corpo suit shithead because keeping labor costs low generates value for their shareholders. I gotta work full time plus extra shifts for a fucking year to be able to go to school full time, while still working part time, for a semester. Getting my Associates has taken almost 6 fucking years and I have '2 more years' of school before I can get my Bachelor's. I'll be 30 by they time I graduate.Meanwhile brainwashed fucksticks like you come onto a Mongolian Throat Singing board to shill that old 'your poor because you deserver it" bullshit. Gee whiz, sorry that I didn't have a mother working for IBM to get me an 'in' for this new PC thing they were working on like Bill Gates did. Or get a cool million from family to get my startup off the ground like Larry Page and Sergey Brin did. Or get to choose between a free ride at Harvard or have a McDonald’s franchise like Mark Zuckerberg was offered by his dad. But sure bro, its my fault. How does it feel to have Elon Musk's balls slapping against your chin? Does he shave or is it au naturel?
>>3006602>The $650 a month health insuranceNobody except idiots and the self-employed pays that.>Minimum wage is $290 a weekMinimum wage is for cretins, invalids, and children. Which one are you?>Whoa is me story about going to school as a non-traditional student.I graduated with a BSME while working full time as a conductor and yardmaster for a railroad. I worked on call, nights, weekends, and holidays for 10 years.My father seldom had stable employment and my mother was a stay at home mother for her TWELVE children for most of my childhood. I stress again, most people are fat, lazy, and comfortable and unwilling to make sacrifices.
>>3006606>Nobody except idiots and the self-employed pays that.I work full time but it is at two separate part time jobs so I don't have employer paid insurance. As I can't afford it I go without and just hope nothing bad happens. In case you didn't fucking know, because you are an out of touch egdelord, tens of millions of people in the US don't have insurance and many of them work. We're the only developed nation in the world were you can be bankrupted for a medical condition.>Minimum wage is for cretins, invalids, and children.If you work full time you she be able to afford to live. Full fucking stop. If someone is paying you that means you are doing a job that needs doing. You should be able to afford the basics and have a life worth living. That includes healthcare. Not bow down to your corporate masters and be ground into the dirt in the pursuit of shareholder value.>while working full time for a railroad. A nice union job. Congrats. That is some fucking boomer mentality right there. Walk into the BNSF office with a HS diploma, give them a firm handshake, look them in the eye, and call them 'sir'. Works every time. I live in a right to work state. Unions are a thing a thing of the past here. Same with rail yards. They shut down the only yard in 100 miles in 1970 and left it a superfund site that took 30 years to clean up.>most people are fat, lazy, and comfortable and unwilling to make sacrifices.You gotta pull yourself up by your own bootstraps! It worked for me! Because my life experience and situation lines up with everyone else's. Anyone that disagrees with me is a fat, lazy, retard! All you gotta be is the main character of the universe and everything will fall into place. Meanwhile, as productivity has increase exponentially for 75 years and the average CEO is making 22 million a year, federal minimum wage is $7.25. That buys less than it did in 1969. Working hard doesn't work anymore. Take your rose tinted glasses off and look around.
>>3006610Damn, you really did prove him right by blaming everyone else for your problems.
>>3006611He thinks Mary Gates, a social activist, worked at IBM. Details aren't his strong suit.
>>3006619Eh, it wasn't far off. She was on the board of United Way with John Opel. Opel was a top level executive at IBM at the time and was one of the decision makers heading up Project Chess; the IBM PC. They had known each other for years and he specifically mentioned her when the topic of Microsoft came up in the context of the project. His quote was "Oh, that's run by Bill Gates, Mary Gates' son." So she had definitely put that worm in his ear. Microsoft was nothing in 1980. They didn't even actually have the OS they were trying to sell IBM on. They went out and bought one after the fact.https://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/11/obituaries/mary-gates-64-helped-her-son-start-microsoft.htmlhttps://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/19940109/1888770/mary-gates----shes-much-more-than-just-the-mother-of-billionaire-bill-this-former-uw-regent-has-made-a-career-of-community-servicehttps://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/how-bill-gates-mother-influenced-the-success-of-microsoft.html
>>3006610People get railroad jobs in right to work states, adult education welding students I trained included. (Passing a 6G pipe test opens many doors.)If you can't find remunerative work where you are, relocate. I did like millions of others.If you lack skills, stop being you and make the adult choice to LEARN what people pay for. I never met a mechanic self included who didn't have more work available than they could do in two lifetimes. Most of the world would fellate its way through a syphilitic leper colony for a green card. What do they know that native-born slugs do not?Even my ex-con HVACbro is self-employed (working commercial accounts only fixing convenience store chillers (always at emergency rates because pajeet won't upgrade chillers), owns his home and collects Harleys for fun. Any community college has courses, typically free or nearly so. Financial Aid exists to get poor students funded so little or no need for college debt. Adult education is awesome. That's why I didn't just use it for myself but volunteered at my local CC for fun and shop time until I'd completed my home shop. So did my bro who I recommended and now has a full time job there because schools like to hire from within. We helped build each others shops because gearhead networking is glorious. We don't pay other people to work on our homes, vehicles or much of anything else.
>>3006659You didn't have to do that though. It used to be that you could work part time at 7-11 and pay your way through college. The federal minimum wage in 1969 was a tad over $14.50 an hour in todays money. That is before you take into account that the cost of college has skyrocketed way beyond inflation. Healthcare, housing, vehicles, their prices have all just gone up and up and up while inflation has destroyed the purchasing power of a dollar. All of that is out of reach of the average person now without going into debt.In 1969 you could work a minimum wage job anywhere in the country and earn $1.60 an hour. The 1969 Ford Mustang Boss, a higher end model, cost $3,450 new (ballpark, different sources have different numbers). It would take 2,156 hours of work to buy that with cash in '69. That is just over a year of full time work. That MSRP is $31,400 accounting for inflation. You could get a decent Civic or Camry at that price today. You'd have to work 4,331 hours at minimum wage to do it though. That is over 2 years of full time work and a Camry ain't no Boss.Maybe you'd say that a '26 Camry is a better car than a '69 Mustang. Sure, but that is generally how things work. They get better over time. Like how the average productivity of a worker in the US has skyrocketed over that time. Productivity has increased much faster than inflation yet compensation hasn't kept pace with either number. On average people are getting compensated less now for more productivity than at any time since they started keeping records but the cost of the basics of life have only gone up.
>>3006665Listen, complaining communist kid, nobody works for minimum wage. This bitching really belongs on >>>/lgbt/
>>3006666Mr satan would you agree that the federal reserve is illegitimate?
>>3006666You are right but also wrong. Remember, minimum wage should be $14.50 just to match inflation at the federal level. That is double the current minimum wage. Retail jobs, the kind of places you used to be able to work to afford college, don't hire people full time so they don't have to give them as many benefits. You could be working three jobs at 60 hours a week and still not have health insurance. Corporations buy politicians to keep wages low, to keep from being required to provide health insurance, to be allowed to hire 80 people part time instead of 40 full time. Then they turn around and have a bunch of their employees receiving government assistance. That subsidies corporate profits. People end up on food stamps, or buy health insurance with government subsidies, or rent using housing vouchers, all of which tax payers pay for. Where does that money go? To corporations that own grocery stores, insurance companies, and apartment complexes. They save money coming and make money going. You tax dollars are paying for the corporations to buy your politicians to keep your fellow Americans poor. And here you are toeing the line for them like they won't bend you over their desk when its your turn.Meanwhile, my local McDonalds all have their windows painted with hiring notices and are offering above even the $14 that minimum wage should be but no one wants to work for them. They won't hire you full time so they don't have to pay for your health insurance. One corporation screwing another it seems. Anyway, they've all closed their dining areas because they are understaffed and are drive-thru only. How fucking fucked does a job have to be that people in a college town won't work for you? Oh, that's right, you can't afford to go to college while working at McDonalds anymore. Even with the free meals and scholarships. Then the out of touch midwits running these dystopian hellholes complain that no one wants to work anymore.
>>3006544They all got bought up by empty-nesters to retire in.Zoning regulations make it illegal to build new ones in order to keep housing prices high.Developers refuse to build them where they are legal because they aren't sufficiently profitable.
>>3006544I plan on buying some land in the next few years and building a simple little timber frame house. Probably like 18'x24' japanese style open layout.Bug people just buy whatever is common and pushed on them by industry, and are willing to spend insane amounts of money just to show off or stay in the city. You could buy 200 acres in most states for the price of a shitty migrant-built starter home, or buy a modest plot and have it paid off in 2-5 years.
>>3006544if you were a developer, wouldn't you try to squeeze every fucking penny you could out of a lot?
>>3006675That is great if daddy is paying for it or you have one of those nice jobs that don't exist where you can not show up for work and still get paid. In the real world people generally need to live where the jobs are. Living in flyover country is not conducive to that.That is not to say it is impossible. You could setup a solar power system to power a laptop and satellite internet to work remotely. You aren't going to have ready-made access to power or internet anywhere were last is cheap. Hell, most places around me that are actually cheap need a 4x4 and permission from 3 different property owners to actually get to the plot from public roads.
>>3006700>work remotelyor learn to double clutch a fuller roadranger and never worry about finding work so long as the corn growsare zoomiezooms so cooked they really think all work requires a laptop?
>>3006707Isn't that a really shitty job? I know there are a bunch of openings in the field but I hear bad things. Like companies only hiring you as contractors so you are responsible for all of the expenses. You have to have your own rig, pay for maintenance, gas, insurance on top of having to buy your own health insurance, 401k, etc. They dump it all on you and then lay you off at the drop of a hat if, oh I don't know, some ass hat drops a giant tariff on imports and work at the ports slows down, for example. Plus you spend a lot of your days far from home/family living out of a truck or shitty overnights in motels.I do know it can be a sweet gig if you get in with a union and the right employers. My brother in law worked for the studios in Hollywood as a teamster for a long time and he said that gig was pretty sweet. He generally didn't have to travel more than 30 miles from the studio lots and was always home for dinner every night. He left the business some years back when COVID shut everything down and the jobs dried up everywhere though. No idea what it is like now.
>>3006716>the fieldyes in the literal definition i forget im in the minority having grown up working on farmstheres always work in the summer and as you get older you get put on gravy shit like driving truck or combine. and theres usually a skeleton crew all winter doing maintenance repairs no it dont pay ivory tower salary but if you have a sub 150k house in a low tax place and live modestly its a sustainable existence
>>3006700Brother you can get land for four figures down and a couple hundred a month in sensible states, or just save to buy it outright like I'll probably do. I could work a minimum wage job or part time and still be fine with how cheap rural land and frugal country living can be. You can also find this land 30-60 minutes outside a city and just drive in for work. My commute within a big metro area is already that long. I can't wait to live in the country again.
>>3006669>Oh, that's right, you can't afford to go to college while working at McDonalds anymore.anyone dumb enough to go to college is taking out 100k loans so they don't have to waste hours working and can party more to complain about in 10 years
>>3006716He's talking about being a farm hand running trucks in farm country, not being a long haul trucker.
>>3006657I know the details and they're not that she worked at IBM. Detail matter. Please don't do any /diy/ work in a populated area if you disagree.
>>3006732There are plenty of community colleges with excellent trade programs where financial aid covers all or nearly all the cost. Workforce training and company apprenticeship programs exist too. I took welding and machining on Uncle Sugar's dime with a dash of lottery funds.
>>3006669>>3006774Meanwhile Canada sucks even worse.I took a college course and finished the first year (afaik it’s 4 years), and the school itself didn’t help me find any work, I went to the apprenticeship office and all they told me equated to, as paraphrased by me “lol fuck you, use this other government service because we do nothing but maybe a handful of pre-job “mock interviews” and get paid”.The worst part is the course needs you to do your “job hours” else you get put as risk of being kicked off, you can do the second year without hours but the third and fourth require hours for some inane retarded reason despite you paying for the course, which makes zero sense to me, if you pay for education you shouldn’t be denied it, this is doubly true for universities which try to filter people out based on GPA and requirements, even if they’re shelling out for the full 20k+ for a few years.Anyway outside of paying back my student loan with scholarship bucks and my RESP, I have no source of income and finding a job here is nigger hell with jeet in-hiring, tariffs slowing everything down (why the fuck can we not reach a trade agreement on either side instead of counter tariffing each other like retards?), and the general low trust state of job boards.I don’t blame business owners for not hiring due to economic shittery. But even visiting business owned by whites in person around me was fruitless, they’re all not hiring, throw my resume out, or the receptionist is clearly trying to get rid of me. I dunno, that’s enough complaining from me, I gave up for a couple of months on finding work since I have no bills outside of my cell phone plan, but now that I’m back from visiting the US maybe I’ll go bother to find some work.I still think that (you) Americans have it 100x better for finding work, in Canada nobody wants to do hourly wage work because it rapes over the employer with liability and benefits, even if it is only part-time.
>>3006782hi fellow canadiani had my tuition and apprenticeship fully funded and supported by the corresponding union
>>3006789three questions1. did you have to travel?2. did you have previous experience?3. did the union take forever to take you in?
>>3006798no to all 3
>>3006800union and trade?>t. Millwrighting anon
>>3006801oe hoisting
>>3006802ah, so rigging?that stuffs scary, they covered a tiny bit of it in my course, it’s insane how much sling angle can affect shock loading.
>>3006774and doing something competent like that you probably didn't work at mcdonalds
>>3006544>Were people just happier with less?Yes. Very.And in 2026 everyone is miserable with more.
What I really dont get is complex roofs.all the joints and unneccesary edges just want to become leakyWhat wrong with a simple saddle roof with no windows?
>>3006873>more>a fucking pocket computerSure glad society collectively traded EVERYTHING for that
>>3006873I'm still convinced a large part of it is because no one ever switches off. Everything is so fast paced because of how connected everyone is now. Even in the mid-late '90s. People would come home from work, switch on the TV, and relax. If you didn't want disturbed you just unplugged the phone. If someone came to your door after a particular time it was almost certainly an emergency.It was like having two life modes: on and off. Now there's only one: on. That's why we "need" SSRIs and how kids all have ADHD.
>>3006544How are you suppossed to indebt employim.
>>3006924This is a huge part of it. Everyone has your cell number and can call or text you any time and you're expected to answer. It's bullshit. I don't have a smart phone for the specific reason of getting away from the internet when I am out and about. I only browse on a tablet while shitting, or while sitting down at a desktop computer. Even then I still feel as if the internet is reaching out with its demonic fingers trying to crush my soul.
>>3006924>>3006950i love phone, my job would be very dull without it and i dont have a tv or desktop computer at home anymorei have the ringer fully off, no sound or vibration, almost all the time unless im expecting a call i want to answer
>>3006544This is the reason American homes are built that way now:The Universal Residential Appraisal Report.Since 1986, this one form dictates how much a bank will loan you for a mortgage. It only considers such things as square footage, number of bathrooms, garages... Nowhere on this form does it consider build quality or materials. You could build the house out of solid gold bullion and it wouldn't matter to the bank's mortgage department. "Oh, it's a 3 bed 2 bath and 1500 sqft? That's worth 300,000." This one form is the reason you have oversized McMansions built out of cardboard. This one form is why a home built 100 years ago will still be standing after the new home built today collapses.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcQaoURMbbM
>>3006912how could architects and engineers exist if things were simple?
>>3006970gtfo with this ai youtube slop pls and thanks
>>3006544My guess is developers wanting to make as much money as they can so they make big houses they can sell for a lot. Its a sellers market. Its bad
>>3006544cool it with the anti-semitism
>>3007024This is it. What's going to make the "developer" more money? A simple 1600sqft house on 2 acres? Or 16 retarded mcmansion minis on 1/8th acre lots?
>>3007073it makes sense to a pointbut why do people keep buying them?
>>3007074Its all thats avaliable. If all the food that was sold was lobster, People would eat lots of lobster.
>>3007079That and finance faggotry. It's much harder for the average person to get a loan to buy empty land and build a new house, versus getting a mortgage for an already built overpriced shoddily thrown together hovel.
>>3007190Especially since most towns/counties won't let you put a trailer or RV on said land while you are building. So you are paying the mortgage on your new property while also paying for whatever place you currently live in.The way I have heard to sort of get around that is to submit a building plan with a detected garage/shop/mother-in-law unit, build that first, and live there while the main house is constructed. Fine if it is you and maybe your fuckbuddy but forget about it if you have kids or something.Even then it can take months to get services connected, foundations poured, etc. I saw some guys throw up a two story garage and rental unit made of concrete blocks in a week (exterior only, inside took much longer) but it took my neighbor literally months to schedule the foundation people to pour the slab (no frost line here) because they were booked out that far. He said it took him 3 weeks to get permitting cleared from start to finish with the city but 5 months between calling every foundation business in 200 miles and the day they poured. They didn't even dig the hole. That was a completely separate company.
financially towns benefit from mcmansions if there is a choice. Starter homes will never be the choice for new construction even though people today have less need of the space than ever
>>3006782>(why the fuck can we not reach a trade agreement on either side instead of counter tariffing each other like retards?)Because boomers here are rich and want to stick it to trump
>>3007200I don't really understand the obsession with concrete pads. Are there any advantages to them? Because all I can tell is that they're awful and expensive but they're industry standard so it's easier to find someone to install it for you. If you're building your home yourself, why not just have a rubble and gravel foundation with stone walls or plinths on top to support the framing, like people have done for ages? Is it just a matter of cucked local codes and/or laziness?
>>3007936>Is it just a matter of cucked local codesprimarily thisthe government would never allow you to do anything effective, efficient, or reasonable
>>3006579>>3006582>>3006602>>3006606>>3006610Fuck off with the tangential bickering you jackasses. If it were a couple posts then whatever but you've shit up half the thread.
>>30079431) You've now become a part of it.2) The thread was tangential bickering from the start. There is no OC here and you're a fucking moron.3) Read 1 and 2 until you die and get the fuck off of this board.
>>3007959If you get the opportunity you should kill yourself.
>>3007960Reasoning with image macros is a sign of low brain mass. The criticism levied against you is that you were attempting to piss into an ocean of piss.Just stay on land. Fuck off and die, i.e. Become Anonymous and stop acting in your own childish self interest. Be a part of something bigger, AKA Anonymous. Act accordingly.
>admitting that you're just trollinglol
>>3006774Cool. They cover food and housing too? No? Health insurance? No? So I have to work to pay for those. That's okay, a part time job will... oh, I need to work 3 part time jobs to be able afford a room in an apartment with 3 other people, food, and health insurance? No car either of course, too costly. Bus pass it is. So, 60 hours a week working, 15 for school, 56 for sleeping, 14 for transportation (lets assume I study on the bus), that leaves about 3 hours a day for everything else. Better take 10 minute showers and lay off the avocado toast...Meanwhile my dad put himself through a 4 year university by working 15-20 hours a week during the school year and full time over the summers. He bought a used car, paid for gas and insurance for it, had a studio apartment that was a 20 minute walk from the campus, and he paid a princely sum of $70 dollars for an ER visit when he broke his arm at a drunken frat party. He was pissed because that was ALMOST a months rent for him. That was without health insurance.When my kid broke his arm we got a bill for 6 grand from the same hospital. They kindly offered to lower it to $3.5k if we were low income and paid out of pocket in a single payment. I then spent several days arguing with the insurance company that it should be covered, that being out of network didn't apply because it was an ER visit, etc. and then sicked a local health insurance advocate on them. Suddenly it was covered and I only needed to pay fucking $5k because of the deductible. What a fucking deal! When I got the final summary it said the visit was almost $8k. It seems the hospital increases the rate you pay if it is through insurance vs. cash. Lovely.At least I have a cool cell phone and Andrew Witty got paid TWENTY FOUR MILLION DOLLARS last year when he wouldn't pay for my kids arm.
>>3007936>I don't really understand the obsession with concrete pads.What... what do they make the floors of garages out of where you live anon?If it was just a standard house or unit they would have used a block perimeter foundation, since the rest of the place was block anyway. Much easier to run plumbing, natural gas, and electrical though.
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>>3006544>What happened to small simple homes?section 8.
>>3008107That and it is a lot more profitable to build a two story McMansion on a small lot then a 2 bedroom/1 bath with a little yard. You can charge a lot more and it doesn't cost that much more to build. The cheapest thing you can add to a home is more space. The cost per square foot goes down as the size increases.
>>3006582>$15 for a burrito>The economy isn't fucked up, and if it was you're to blame anyways
>>3006669Mean while in Nebraska it is hard to find a job that is not factory or full time because of the you have to work 80 hours a month paid or volunteer or be in school to keep your Medicaid unless you are pretty much totally disable.But this is also Nebraska the state that allows companies to work you for 7 days a week nonstop. Doesn't matter if it's 8 hours a day, 10 hours, or 12. The town I live in has two factories like that. One will run you 8 hours a day for 7 days a week (but you get double time on Sunday). They start you off at $16.50 a hour. The other you work 12 hours a day for 5 to 7 days a week. The pay is shit at both places. Min wage is $15 a hour here.
>>3006544>What happened to small simple homes?Too affordable to keep black and brown people out of the neighborhood/school
>>3006544Back then "building things like shit" meant cutting corners on amenities rather than physical build quality. They weren't magically able to spend tons more time building any more than shitty contractors are now. But G.I. money was pouring in, land was cheap, and demand was there. So they threw up a bunch of rectangles with shitty, narrow stairs that couldn't fit furniture up or down after the railing was installed. You had to remove the fucking basement window to get your home-hobby woodworking tools in because the stairs to the basement had the head clearance of a fallout shelter.But they built onto them overtime, and their children only remember the built out version with the finished basement bar/lounge area and the stilted wooden deck. So they started demanding that of their own homes. Luckily for them, they were often purchasing another "greatest generation's" fully remodeled home.Now we build with a nod to that final product, and they're built like shit because corners are still being cut but the math is inverted. Instead of small and well built they have to be large, so they can't even frame the fucking things correctly
>>3006677Sure, and that could just as well mean building a bunch of simple and cheap 800sqft houses if that's what the market dictated.
>>3006665In 1900 you could get a horse for $50. That's about $235 in 1969. You could say that a Mustang is better then a horse, sure, that's generally how things work etc. blah blah... But you still ain't gonna go back and start bitching like woman about it, are you? Seems like you pick and choose your arguing points while leaving out a LOT of relevant information. Catch up, Sheila.
>>3006544They're back where I live. Generally not as boxy as stuff like you posted, but pretty small and simple compared to developments of a decade ago. Pic related is a pretty recently built house I rented while searching for a house to buy and it's one of the larger and more complicated ones in the neighborhood. I think it's about 10-12 years old and the newest developments are even smaller and simpler, trying to keep costs down in an expensive town where developable land is extremely limited.
>>3007963Bitch you are stroking out. Get a grip.
>>3006544>>3006598https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oIeLGkSCMAYou couldn't build mcmansions cheaply back in the day. Nail plats changed everything.
>>3006544It's 200k for a 1 bd 1 bth sheshed with power. Soon we'll be lucky to throw a generator inside of a shipping crate. Build yourself something and the full weight of the government will surround it with flock cams then branch Davidian you.
our house is small by modern standards. designed by us, built from 2022-2023. 3b2ba2ca, 140sqm (1500sqft) plus 38sqm (400sqft) basement. open floorplan great room. not because we host or have friends (we don't) but because it works for us as an active farmhouse. we often bring small construction projects in to work on between living/kitchen area. we also set up butcher table when we slaughter and sometimes perform veterinary surgery. its just easier to move around in the open area, especially since we also have a very large 70kg guardian dog that comes in for food and social time in the evenings.we feel our house size is appropriate to our needs. our fist house was 105m2 so this is almost 30% larger. we didnt want a giant house and taxes are based on living area. it has a covered porch not shown in drawing left of garage, along front, a few feet past Bdrm3 interior wall.
