I have to post on here because this sort of topic turns fags into faggots anywhere else.I'm getting a power bank that has a TT-30 240v socket that I plan to connect to my 30amp drier plug which is a normal 14-50 for extended power outages. Yes I know to turn off my main breaker and all circuits not being actively used. Yes I know which awg to use. Yes I know how to calculate loads.My question is; since the power bank only has 2 hots and a ground, what do I do regarding the neutral going into the 14-50 socket?
Correction; I think the TT-30 is a 120v port. But the manual for this thing lists 240v as an AC output, not sure which port it is...
It may have 240 volts split between the different outlets. If you're trying to run your house, yes you need the neutral. This probably isn't going to be a plug and play option even with a suicide cord. But I don't know just splice one together and see what happens. It's probably smart enough to shut off if it detects retardation. It's not my shit.
>>3013807there's plenty of fucked up housefire ways I'm sure you could rig upbut one of those victron all in one inverter chargers would be the obvious answerwhatever the big ones they sell are called can instantly switch between grid/battery backup and have an aux input for solar/generator inputit's probably more expensive than whatever bullshit you want to do, but having a hands off instant switchover when the power cuts and automatic charging with monitoring/recording use is just so worth iti don't know if there's any other companies that make something like that but the victron solar charge controller i have was well worth it and I've only seen good things from people using their shit in RV's and boatsit would only make sense if their offgrid home setups are equally as good
TT30 is 120V socket, 1 live, 1 neutral, 1 ground. If the specs say 240V and it only has a TT30 then maybe the specs are mixing up the EU model. Not posting what your power station model is helps a lot here, but Amazon lists all the ABOK models as 120V output so there's that.>yes I know everything but how does live-live-ground not neutrallol>>3013823>i don't know if there's any other companies that make something like thatApproximately everyone. Notably on the cheap end you can get basic chinkshit for $250 or on the "much better than Victron for less money" end you can get Deye.
Yeah so the manual is just incorrect, there is no 240 out. I assumed the TT-30 RV plug was 240 without digging into the details till the stupid thing arrived. I'm just going to return it. I'll probably put this on the backburner for a bit and then just pull the trigger on one of those modular rackmount battery / inverter systems, and then I'll run a 30amp circuit over to my rack with the ability to backfeed during outages. Good opportunity to switch all my server gear to 240v while I'm at it.
>>3013830>I'll run a 30amp circuit over to my rack with the ability to backfeed during outages.I assume you're going to use a transfer switch so that your batteries can do more than kill linemen trying to restore your power.
Seems like the perfect thread to ask this:I want to put a transfer switch on my panel but it's all the way in the front of my house while the backyard is in the back (duh), and that's where I would like to keep my generator. My ac has a pull out disconnect and is on a 50 amp circuit (at the panel), how dumb/much of a house fire would it be to chain a box with a connector onto the disconnect so I can backfeed my panel from the backyard without a comically expensive 100 foot large gauge extension?
>>3013841Feel free to post a list of news stories of linemen killed by generator owners who were too stupid to use an interlock or kill their main breaker. I'll wait.
>>3013888You can also achieve more or less up decent/halfway to code isolation with a relay driven by external power. You get a mains breaker with undervoltage release, this flips as soon as the grid hits undervoltage, and afterwards you must manually flip it back on, obviously without the generator running. Just make sure you're doing the right thing with neutral, whether that is unhooking it or grounding it depends on your grid schema. If you don't know what PEN bond is then either learn what it is and what is the logic or just don't do this. Then once the isolation is sorted you just connect gen wherever. Obviously on the front panel the order it goes through breakers may be reversed, and then THIS part would need a transfer switch to cleanly go around, that's something I would not recommend because you or whoever else will forget how it works and mess up the order.
I think I could use a suicide cord, because I have two sets of breakers.The power comes in, going to breaker box A on the outside of the house.ONE of the breakers in box A goes inside, to breaker box B, which is where the power actually gets sent to all of the outlets and light fixtures in the house.So in theory, if I switch off that breaker in box A, I can power box B from an outlet somewhere, no?
>>3013925>>3013841Out of mere curiosity, how is that even possible?I get that you can power the transformer at the pole if you don't disconnect from it, but successfully energizing the primary means you're now trying to provide power to everyone else in the area. How would even a fairly large generator not just immediately trip its own breaker?I never managed to come up with a scenario where that could happen, save for the odd case where there's only a handful of local connections to the grid (which itself is rare because infrastructure is expensive)..
>>3014009Having two doesn't matter. As long as you're able to disconnect from the line coming into the house, you're "good".It's still illegal and potentially dangerous, but it works, on a technical level.
>>3014021My complete ass pull of a guess is that the transformer has such a high impedance (or something idk) that your relatively low voltage low current generator has no hope to actually put any real meaningful amount of juice through it and so it doesn't really push out that much power, but when the lineman touches lines near it or the transformer itself that small amount of power can fry him since humans are so susceptible to those voltage levels and it takes literally fuckall current to become a human resistor.
>>3013925>Feel free to post a list of news stories of linemen killed by generator owners who were too stupid to use an interlock or kill their main breaker. I'll wait.https://www.apr.org/2005-07-13/lineman-killed-in-hurricane-dennis-aftermathhttps://www.msn.com/en-ph/public-safety-and-emergencies/health-and-safety-alerts/lineman-dies-while-conducting-power-repairs-in-cagayan/ar-AA28sgyWHere's two. One in the US, one in the Philippines.Let me guess: Those are rookie numbers. Gotta pump up those numbers. Gotta kill more people trying to keep power going to your house. Because two isn't enough. Plus, it's impossible even though it has already happened.
>>3014021the device that lowers high power line voltage to local voltage works in reverseyour 120v gets stepped back up to thousands of volts that then go and absolutely fuck up the guy trying to fix your utility wireson the low voltage side your generator power doesn't game it far effectively, but by design the low voltage gets stepped up to high voltage where it needs to fit effective line transmission
>>3014146>>3014153your 3kw chinkshit special aint repowering the whole neighborhood enough to run everybody elses house plus have enough juice to bbq any dipshit linemen that dont follow procedure of grounding out the line. it will pop the breaker immediately as it tries to power karens hitachi magic wand and cat feeder and 6 freezers next door because her main aint flippedthese lineman cookouts (both in 3rd world locations) are from old 24 cylinder caterpillar 1.2Mw gensets somebody bought at ritchie bros and had installed for cash on a sunday to keep the ice machines cranking in their unsanctioned fish packing house
>>3014161>these lineman cookouts (both in 3rd world locations)>Including the one in the USI guess the dead people survived then, case closed. Good job!
>>3014164>case closed. Good job!yep still not getting a xfer switch dilligaf
>>3013807The real answer is you put in an isolation transformer that gives you a neutral tap. Then you wire that to a breaker panel, tie n to g, put in gfci to trip if n passes current. Could you skip some of this, could you simply split g and have it go to n as well, could you steal n from the 120 plugs; yes. Doing any of those things theoretically could damage the inverter or kill you... But it probably won't.
