no hair = gays will like you
hairy = women will like you

very simple maths

>>18697669
Gays love body hair. You just haven't a clue.

>>18697675
You got him good

get muscular and tan if youre hairless

>>18697669
not true at all from my experience lol. gay men like hairy more than anybody i've ever met and most gays actually despise feminine gays for playing into the stereotype that gays can't be manly. it's why masc4masc is such a huge thing in the gay community

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>>18697689
Like pottery. Of course gay men like hairy dudes, but it’s only the gay gays, i.e. a fucking minority. Who’s gay from my post’s perspective is the countless closeted fags and bis and cucks and curious “striaght” imbeciles who get their cocks hard when they see a twink, without understanding that what they like is the feminine element of it. Be hairless like a girl —> appeal to this sort of gay. Be hairy hairy —> appeal to 1 gay gay out of 100 males.

All that pottery and at the end of the day you won’t disprove that all women like hairy men. Fucking jokes.

>>18697665
Eh I really REALLY wouldn't stress out about this. A lot of women are super into the hairy look sure but it's not all women or even most women. If you woke up super hairy tomorrow you'd become more attractive to some women sure but also less attractive to other women. While technically there are some things you could do that might work such as minoxidil and shit I really wouldn't recommend it personally. You won't be able to please every woman anyway no matter what. I've encountered a lot of women into the hairy look but also a lot of women who just thought it was gross so as already said you can't please everyone.

tl;dr

>>18697705
if it matters at all i'm not op but he basically just talked about how he's insecure about not being able to grow a beard and not having much body hair. about how women refuse to date him for it and how other men make fun of him for it

>>18697665
I'm not sure if you're gay or bi or if an opinion from another man matters to you but in my opinion the guy on the left looks a million times more attractive than the man on the right. The guy on the right looks too much like a gorilla and I realize some guys may see that as a compliment but I don't. I love a smooth muscular chest.

>>18697665
I'm no therapist but it doesn't sound like your lack of hair is really the problem here. I can understand generally wanting to be hairier the same way a guy might want to be taller or the same way a guy with a huge nose might want a smaller nose but it's not normal or healthy for it to be affecting you this much, especially since it's something almost entirely out of your control.

I won't tell you to seek therapy because that's pretty cliche and often dismissive advice and a lot of people can't even afford it but you should definitely be taking care of yourself better. And I can't help but feel that even if you were hairy there'd be something else about your appearance making you insecure instead.

I thought Asian women hated body hair

>>18697931
If he's feeling this way and made this thread then either he's not Asian or he lives somewhere where Asian men are a very small minority.

>>18697931
They say so but every Asian bitch I've been to spends like hours playing with my chest hair and call me a monkey

>>18697665
Your insecurity is a far bigger turn-off than you being hairless to be honest. Like far far bigger and it's not even close. You'd have far better chances with women if you were hairless but confident rather than hairy but still insecure.

>>18697665
>if people ask me why I shave my body hair (I don't it just doesn't grow)
>"why I want to look like a prepubescent little boy"
>Women have literally left the bed when I took off my shirt and they found out I didn't have chest hair.
It sounds like a lot of context is missing between all of that, probably stuff you missed or misunderstood, but overall it kinda sounds like you're autistic. Not even meant as an insult but I mean you seem to have many traits associated with autism spectrum disorder.
For the first one it just sounds like simple genuine curiosity, not necessarily malicious.
Then for the second one it sounds like banter. People say stupid shit like that to each other all the time, especially in all male friend groups.
And for the last one that's probably not really why they left the bed. It was probably something else and they just used that as an excuse. They're probably still shallow either way but if they were liking you up till that point I highly doubt the lack of chest hair is what made them stop liking you.
All in all I'd say you're taking these things way too seriously. You need to stop taking things so seriously.

>>18697665
You only want hair on the top of your head. Anyone who says anything else is coping.

Hair on the back is nasty.

>>18697665
How old are you? It takes more time than you might realize.
I could barely grow a beard back when I was 24, now at 33 it's looking pretty good.

>>18697701
This. Only full blown megagays are into hairy men. I am heterosexual/biflexible (would fuck a femboy) and unfortunately very hairy myself, not dissimilar from the right image in OP

We must be living in completely different universes. Where I live it's the complete other way around. The desired look is hairless and if you're hairy people find it weird

>>18698137
There is no culture where women don't like some hair.
Literally none.

>>18698139
Well I'm glad you've lived in all cultures then to know "literally none"
And by the way Googling stuff about a culture doesn't equate to knowing everything about them
Even if you ask people from that culture those people are only a few people. Even within a culture there are several different viewpoints

>>18698252
it's not about culture bro it's just that facial hair and body hair is physical proof of masculinity and testosterone. it's something that seperates men from boys and that seperates men from women. the same way that boobs and prominent butts are physical proof of femininity and estrogen as well as fertility. it seperates women from girls and seperates women from men. that's why guys with little body hair and women with flat chests are less desirable on average because guys with little body hair are less masculine and women with flat chests are less feminine. overall it's biological and evolutionary

>>18697665
Huh? Is this a thing people are actually concerned about these days? I can't grow a beard and my body is not very hairy and I've never had any difficulties getting laid. If anything I actually have somewhat more success than a lot of my bearded and hairy friends.

>>18697675
Gays also love twinks

>>18697675
Gay here. I love both! Smooth skin is sexy... but thick caveman hair is also sexy.

Straight guys just convince themselves that gays are attracted to features opposite of their own, so they can feel safe that gays aren't interested in them.

>>18698483
Yeah I don't think his lack of hair is the reason he can't get pussy. Very few women I know would reject a man on that alone. A lot of women do have a preference for hairy men sure but they're not vehemently against hairless men either. It's definitely not a mandatory prerequisite to get pussy. They're probably rejecting him for a different reason and he's wrongfully assuming this is the reason.

>>18698488
>Smooth skin is sexy
as someone who is somewhat insecure about not being hairy though not as insecure as op is about it just reading those four words made me smile a lot. and i'm not gay but i just love the idea of people finding me sexy regardless if i'm attracted to them back or not

so i have perfectly smooth legs and wear relatively short shorts a lot (not super short just slightly above the knee, a 9 inch inseam) would seeing my legs in public turn you on?

>>18698510
Bro in what fucking universe are 9 inch inseams short shorts?! Lmfao. That's like almost touching the knees.

>>18698516
Nta but it depends on the length you're used to wearing. If you're used to regularly wearing shorts that go several inches below the knee then I understand how 9 inch inseams can seem like short shorts.

>>18697665
Okay I'm pretty sure you're just making this up or at least heavily exaggerating. To 99% of the population not being hairy is just NOT a big deal even if they might have a slight preference for hairy. When you say that women have left the bed because you don't have chest hair I believe that ONE woman MIGHT have left the bed and now you feel like a victim and are assuming all women are like this due to insecurity from one bad experience.

>>18698724
Yeah this story of his just doesn't make sense. I've heard of many guys being rejected for being short, for having a small dick, for being fat, for being bald, for being poor, etc but being rejected so many times for not being hairy just sounds like pure fiction.

My legs and asscheeks are basically pure black from hair and I've considered getting it lasered because I'm worried women would think it's gross.

>>18698510
9 inch? Nothing to see in those. Get you some 5-inchers to have me drooling at those sexy thighs.

>>18699075
i'm actually gradually working my way up. my swim trunks are currently 5 inch inseams. my swim trunks used to be 10 inch inseam. i gotta work my way up to make my casual day-to-day chino shorts 5 inch inseams too

as someone who used to wear really long and baggy shorts even my current 9 inch inseams feel quite scandalous but i'm working up to 5 inch inseams because of how much my 5 inch inseam wearing friends boast about it being so comfortable and how any longer length holds you back once you get used to them

even with 9 inch inseams in my head it feels like everyone is staring at my exposed lower thighs so i can't wait to see how 5 inch eventually feels like

>>18699072
Are you just simply worried or have women actually explicitly told you they think it's gross? Is it just in your head or have they told you? Because I know a lot of women who are actually really into that shit. To get confirmation I would ask around the women in your life. Even if it's just female acquaintances at work or whatever. Even female family members because they likely know what other women want. Don't get rid of something that could potentially be a huge advantage for women who are really into it.

>>18699099
>my swim trunks are currently 5 inch inseams. my swim trunks used to be 10 inch inseam.
Nta but I actually prefer longer shorts for day-to-day because of more pocket space and protection from the sun and shit, basically cargo shorts hate me if you want, but for swim trunks I do actually prefer 5 inch inseams as well. It's just so much better for swimming since there's no extra drag caused by long swim trunks in the water as well as giving a much better tan overall. I'd much rather have a mid-thigh length tan line rather than a knee-length tan line.

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>>18697675
>>18697701
Meanwhile I like hairy women. It triggers my caveman brain. What does that say about me?

>>18699160
Funny that she seems pretty hairless except for the armpits. I don't see any arm hair, no hair on her torso/belly, no stray facial hairs, etc.

>>18697665
You kinda sound like a little bitch honestly. There are people who were born severely deformed and people who have lost arms and/or legs in violent tragedies and even people who have blown their entire face off in desperate suicide attempts and here you are complaining that you can't grow very much dead skin.

Either way my advice to you would be suck it up buttercup.

>>18697665
Literally no one even thinks about this

>>18697665
Female preference for body hair varies greatly, kinda like how male preference for female pubic hair. Yeah we don't want women hairy, but you will find about as many bush and clean shaven enthusiasts.

I will say however that most women do not enjoy a hairy back or balls. Hairy backs are just unaesthetic and associated with old men, in the bad way. My ex specifically said it's just not enjoyable to lick/suck hairy balls. She also didn't like getting a face full of long, twisted pubes when deepthroating, she liked them trimmed to a shorter length.

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>>18699407
>muh someone has it worse therefore you can't complain
Very compelling

>>18699166
Women in general tend to have fewer terminal hairs on their body, except for armpit hair, pubes, and leg hair. Their T and DHT levels are lower.

>>18697665
I don't think this is as big a deal as you're making it out to be. I see both really hairy guys in relationships and not so hairy guys in relationships all the time.

>>18697665
Hairiness isn't important. I've never even heard women bring it up. What matters the most is being tall and attractive. A tall and attractive hairless guy will have a lot more success than a short and ugly super hairy guy. Not sure which category you fall into but yeah.

>>18697665
Idk dawg I shave my face I think it looks nice. I guess I choose your burden lol. I don’t have a super hairy body just a stripe that goes the whole way down, idk what my back looks like but it seems pretty much hairless. Just get into swimming and say that’s why if you give that much of a fuck

>>18700096
i'm not op but that actually makes things worse because there are methods like minoxidil to become hairier but you can't exactly make yourself taller if you're a full-grown adult who is already done growing and you can't make yourself more attractive either without some really expensive plastic surgery lol

>>18700101
>Idk dawg I shave my face I think it looks nice.
Not OP but I shave my face because my facial hair is so bad and looks like a bunch of pubes glued on my face lol. All I really get are some shitty sideburns and almost nothing in the middle, just a few random singular strands across my chin, upper lip, cheeks, etc but it doesn't connect to anything. Even when I let it grow out because of laziness of just being at home for a long time or whatever people ask me if I shave the middle and left only the sideburns lol. Honestly I'd rather just not have facial hair at all at this point. I can't grow a good beard yet still have to regularly shave anyway. And it grows back surprisingly quick too. And I highly doubt it's ever gonna get better either because I'm in my 40s and this is the same amount of facial hair I've had since I was like 22.

>>18700265
>Honestly I'd rather just not have facial hair at all at this point
Then you'll look like a full on soi faced tranny. Some facial hair is better than no facial hair.

>>18700288
nta but nahhhh. facial hair is pretty much an all or nothing thing. you can either grow good facial hair or you can't. sometimes even if you can't grow a full beard you can go for a goatee or something but some guys can't even pull off a goatee. i see so many guys in public who borderline come off as homeless because their facial hair looks like shit and yet they refuse to take care of it or even trim it. not to mention if you're already an unhygienic person facial hair can get nasty real fast

>>18700288
Look my dad is the ultra super masculine type, what many people today might mistakenly call "toxic masculinity," believes in stuff like men shouldn't cry, always keep your hands rough and callused from hard work, no wearing colorful clothes, don't do any more hygiene or grooming than the bare minimum, always be ready to fight, etc but even he admits that my facial hair looks like shit and that I should shave it.

>>18697669
Not true at all
Hairy = weirdos like it
That's all
Most people will deal with whatever though I'd you have a good personality

>>18700399
As much as I try not to judge others for things they can't control, yeah, that has been my experience as well. In particular I knew this one gay dude who was REALLY into SUPER hairy dudes (so much back hair that you can't even see skin and super hairy buttholes too) and he was SUPER creepy. Like in public he would watch porn of super hairy dudes on his phone, and look up pics of super hairy guys on Reddit, pics of super hairy overweight guys who looked like they didn't shower in like a month, and he would talk about all the stuff he wanted to do with those men. And he also regularly sent people pics of his full bush as well as of his hairy butthole.

I know it's not fair to generalize but whenever I meet a gay guy who is SUPER into hairy men, that one guy is all I can think of and I wanna puke.

>>18700518
him being into hairy dudes wasn't the problem the problem was that he's just extremely creepy in general. come on porn in public? please tell me he at least shut down the porn when children and families were around

>>18700563
Oh no sorry to disappoint you but it gets worse. He DID watch porn in public when there were children and families around. Even when confronted by it he doubled down saying that it's his right to watch whatever he wants on his phone and if children and families don't like it they don't have to look.

>>18700576
damn. what a bizarre hill for him to die on. defending his "right" to watch child porn in public even when children are around and getting passive-aggressive when confronted about it

>>18700518
>>18700576
People like him are why people perceive gays as disgusting degenerates who have no life outside of sex...and I say that as a gay myself

>>18697669
Your ideas about gay people are amusing to me

>>18697665
Seems like hairy is favored where you live but that doesn't mean you can't make up for it in other areas. Being funny and being confident are two of the most attractive things in a man. Also dress well but not so well to the point that others start to suspect that you're gay or "metrosexual" or whatever. Going to the gym also helps.

>>18699916
Women are just as hairy as men. The only difference is their body hair are thinner, but they're usually still visible. Body hair on humans aren't vestigial organs. They serve as tactile sense organs and the first line of defense against parasites.

>>18699407
Nigger, just because some people have it worse doesn't mean every other problem isn't worth worrying about. There are levels to everything. Why are you on a fashion forum? Why do you care about what your clothes look like? Just be thankful you even have clothes to wear. Millions of people in the world can't even afford to wear a couple of sets of basic clothes.

>>18701491
lame explanation on his part but i do agree that in general, of all things lack of body hair is a pretty retarded thing to worry over. in the 30 something years i've been alive literally no one i've ever met has had a problem with lack of body hair. the only thing that has been brought up as a turn off is if you're literally as hairy as a gorilla as in so hairy no one can even see your skin color (still, older people tend to be more accepting of this than younger people though) but other than that no one has made a big deal over body hair or the lack of it

>>18699160
She is a cringe feminist but her body is indeed hot as fuck.

>>18698267
fucking /thread

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>>18700518
Once again, brainlets. Being 100% gay (from now on: megagay) will certainly make you long for hairy dudes, because you want to get the maximum of masculinity. But being megagay is also rare. If you take 5 “gay” dudes of today, only 1 will be megagay, the rest is just guys who are into femboys and twinks. This is literally the tendency of today, this is what porn and “sexual liberation” trigger among male population. So the first post is correct: a shaved smooth dude will certainly appeal to that quite vast majority of “gays” who actually enjoy the same sex provided it has elements of the opposite sex. The hairy man, on the contrary, will always appear desirable to the one in a hundred men AND to the absolute majority of women.

>>18697665
>I'm fine with my facial features, height, body, and weight
Count yourself lucky then. Just be glad you're not 4'9" or 400 pounds or ugly as hell. I can guarantee that most women would prefer a hairless 5'10"+ guy who is handsome and weighs around the middle to upper 100s pounds or so over a guy who is super hairy but super ugly and 4'9"- and who weighs 400 something pounds.

>>18701672
I don’t care about women’s personal beliefs or moral axioms especially online. I want to bury my face in her armpits tho

>>18697665
Nice bait. You should've posted on twitter instead, that way you could make some money.

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>>18705589
If it makes you feel any better that video in the OP post shows basically the ideal female form as well as the ideal male form and them falling in love with each other and do you notice much hair if any at all on his body? Do you see a single hair on his chest and/or stomach? The video quality makes it relatively hard to tell but at most he only has a very small amount of arm hair and leg hair. He and her look about as hairless as each other actually. If you're hot as hell then hairy or hairless no longer matters.

>>18697669
It’s actually the opposite. The only chucks that like hairy dudes are 300lbs and 45 years old.

>>18697665
If this is your biggest worry then with all due respect get a fucking life

>>18708562
word. i do have a general preference towards hairy men but i would never reject a man for not being hairy either. at most i'd only hold it against him if there are already many other qualities i already don't like about him anyway.
like i could say, more or less in order from most severe to least severe, "i don't like him because he's a manipulative jerk, he treats everyone around him like shit, he's rude to employees, he smells like shit because he almost never showers, his breath smalls like shit because he never brushes his teeth, he's really overweight, his nose is too big, his skin is full of acne, he snores too loud, he farts too much, and oh, one last thing, he barely has any body hair."
if i already don't like him anyway that could be another extra thing added to the list but it's not a thing i would reject someone for at all.

I only really keep the hair on my chest and some on my groin, the rest I keep as minimal as I can, but I don't really obsess over being perfectly gone. Just trimmed down to nearly nothing with electric clippers when it gets thicker. I also keep my asscrack hairless, I noticed that women don't want to go near it when it isn't, and I would have similar reaction if I saw a hairy female asshole.

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>>18706041
This is correct.

>>18706040
>>18706041
holy shit people are dumb

>>18708610
t. dumbotard

>>18708623
you know it baby

>>18708585
I'm basically the opposite but also the same. I have a preference towards men with little to no body hair but I wouldn't reject a hairy man. If I rejected a man for being hairy it's only an excuse for so many other deeper qualities I already don't like about him to begin with.

>>18697665
Huh? This is a problem some guys have? I'm pretty hairy and from my experience women have not been a fan of it. I could see the excitement on their faces when I shaved my chest smooth and waxed my back smooth and trimmed my legs, arms, pubes, and armpits. Not sure if it's because how young I am and how young women my age are (I'm 20) but women have not liked my hairiness. I also grow some (very patchy) facial hair and shave it off smooth. Can't even pull off stubble.

>>18709363
>Not sure if it's because how young I am and how young women my age are (I'm 20)
that's literally it. on average people in their 20s and younger are generally not very hairy (with the exception of certain ethnicities of course) so naturally that's not what women that age want unless they're really into men that are much older than they are. i assume that op is much, much older than you if women are rejecting him for not being hairy enough. if he's not exaggerating about his experiences then he's probably 40 at the youngest because men by that age are usually really hairy (again with the exception of certain ethnicities) and therefore what women that age want unless they're really into men that are much younger than they are

>>18697665
Not sure if this is what you wanna hear or not but if a man is already attractive enough him being hairy or not won't make the slightest difference in the positive or negative direction.

>>18698486
Only prison gays

>>18697665
idk what the hell you're on about because from my experience hairy is usually something people find gross or make fun of