is fashion dead? this is the boring nothing that the so-called designer's designer of the avant garde is releasing. what is there that is actually new? or are we doomed to just be wearing denim jeans and northface rain jackets with a pair of Vans for the rest of our lives?
>>18718636God I hope so. Fuck fashion and clothing.
>>18718636Corporate fashion has been dying but you can create fashionable outfits without them
>>18718636looks like a old fat baby. wtf are those gay shoes lol
>>18718636Why does his face look like he pooped his pants?
>>18720047It's because he's trying too hard to look and be tough but he ends up looking like a manlet with less than stellar proportions and his posture is defensive rather than aggressive and arrogant, the stance is unnatural with feet positioned straightforward
>>18718636There's only so much you can do with pants and shirts. We've ran out of all the cuts and lengths possible. Now all you'll get is the same old slopped recycled over and over again.
>>18720070he probably also pooped his pants. old retard wears depends
acronym hasn't been relevant in 10 years
>>18720592seeing errolson hugh have to shill collabs for 3d printed crocs and chinese mall brands just to keep his lame streetwear brand alive has been very funny.
>>18718636most of 'fashion' for you guys was hype beast bullshit, wasn't it?
>>18718636Yeah fashion is dead. We have to be naked now.
>>18721026hot
>>18721349Not for me. My body is all weird looking
just got done watching a video that covers the fashion trends of 2016-2026https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUYSTimnDJg
>>18721434>wojaks in the thumbnailno thanks
>>18720594Kat ruined him. She is a megaretard. What anorexic pussy does to a mfer.
>be Erlsn>Kat doesn't share her cocaine>get fat>continue to base size M on yourself>forced to move away from articulated cuts>forced to release everything in W-version>lose everything that made your brand great once>post your shit politics on main-insta>brand is forced to make their own insta to distance themselves>3d-printed shoes>kojimbo-collabs to farm the weebs>burka-ass neck gaiters>spikes to cosplay being punk>gaudy-ass graphics>shitty failed nike-collab that lands in outlets>made in china products for twice what they were when made in europe>quality shows it's from china>whole size-runs sitting on mothersite>retailers say fuck you and put your shits on discount against your instructions>your fans are so dumb they think they can sell used up clothes for twice retail on 2nd hand markets>nobody buys it>bag designs not modernized at any point>mfw
>>18723634He's got some insect-brained friends too and it all just makes me wonder what the hell happened to him.Maybe the elites wrote a letter and he had to take a hint lol DAMNIt really is over.I've only had my eyes on independents since but nobody is doing anything clever. Nothing to scratch that brain itch.The supertalk forum is dead too. Where did everyone migrate to?
>>18723667>Where did everyone migrate to?le reddit and discord>r/techwearclothingpretty much dead, most active user is the advertisement account of an asian retailer for asian shitbrands>r/techwearmid at best, but filled with people that know next to nothing about techwear>r/acronymjutsuclosest thing you'll find to sufu, focused exclusively on acr>techwearclothing discordspin-off of the first subreddit mentioned,not worth joining as mods don't care about keeping things on-topic, typical dc-shitpic related is what a couple of hours in the EXCLUSIVE FOR ACR channel looks like
>>18723765>r/acronymjutsuthis one I didn't know about and seems like the best from what you shared. I hope there are interesting conversations there and not just worship / legit checks.I hate discord and avoid it at all costs but I admittedly use reddit despite how the entire population are 50% gay goys. Reddit still does have stuff going on i guess. depends where you go. Nobody know's where else to go. Internet is loosing it's vril
Yes social media over saturation in the age of irony and nihilism killed anything sincere. The last frontier for fashion is unironically body building. That Rick Owens quote about working out being modern couture is true. The one thing people can’t mock or push into oblivion is our natural attraction to fit bodies. incision.
>>18723634It's easy to shit on Errolson in retrospect. Reality is pretty much every move he made, more or less made sense at the time that he did it. Stuff like adding crazy graphics and colours when his entire aesthetic he pioneered got co-opted by every major athletic and outdoor brand. Or adjusting the fit to match general trends in fashion.In reality though there's only one real major misstep that he made and that was how he handled Acronym's manufacturing limitations during peak Techwear. For years and years Acronym was genuinely underground and cult. You could walk into a store like The Hideout and they would have a full size run of Acronym from 3 seasons ago just sitting there. Then when the brand started picking up steam they took forever to expand their manufacturing capabilities. So when the brand was white hot stores were being told they could only order a limited amount of product and it all sold out instantly. THAT was the time to expand aggressively. Unfortunately it took them so long to swap over to China that by the time they could start doing huge production runs the Techwear trend was dying. So right as the demand starts slowing they start putting out retarded amounts of product.I think Acronym dropping all their retail partners and going direct to consumer was a result of this. I think they got absolutely financially fucked and are now kind of in maintenance mode trying to sort everything out. Someone who handled this exact situation extremely well was Rick Owens. When Gothninja first blew up he ramped up his production like crazy. But the minute it slowed and Streetwear / Off White / Vetements took over Rick actually ramped down production HARD. If you went to a Rick store during peak streetwear like 2018 it was actually hard af to buy anything. So much stuff was sold out and it was a deliberate move by the company. Demand was lower (compared to peak Gothninja 5 years prior) so Rick made the production even lower.
>>18724018Basically the idea as a luxury / designer brand is that your stuff should never be widely available. If you can sell 100 jackets you make 75 if you can sell 500 jackets you make 375 if trends change and you can only sell 300 makes you make 225. Your stuff should not sell out instantly and never ever be available. That's proof you made way too little. But you should not have a ton of product left over at the end of the season, then you obviously made too much. It sounds simple but brands through mismanagement or greed fuck this up all the time and it has dire consequences. When Acronym could sell 100 jackets they made 150 when Acronym could sell 500 jackets they made 150, then when Acronym could only sell 300 jackets they made 500. Everything else you're complaining about is kind of irrelevant, graphics, fits, Errolson's retarded political takes, it's all whatever. But the complete and utter mismanagement of the brands production before, during, and after Techwear trending is something Errolson actually genuinely fucked up on and is why the brand is in the situation it is now. I'm pretty sure they made like no money when Techwear was trending because their production was stuck and then right as Techwear was dying they spent a shit ton of money ramping up their production capabilities. I actually lowk think they had someone save them behind the scenes because usually this type of mismanagement sinks a fashion brand.
>>18724019>I actually lowk think they had someone save themDon't forget he's a nepo baby. His dad is an architect. Basically taught him how to think like an architect & architect his brand- and helped fund the company in its initial founding. & with trademarks etc... he had a flawless incorporation which only happens if someone who know's what they're doing helps you.Surprisingly he's not helping his mongoloid friends which are in dire need of some spare braincells.>>18724018Is this something you watched and saw yourself or are you picking up someone else's story. I wasn't aware of this and your knowledge of behind the scenes manufacturing implies that you might be a designer yourself?
>>18724019Literally every brand ever has problems with stock, trying to size production runs correctly is a HUGE business in itself and if you had a crystal ball and a magic formula to hit the perfect numbers you could become a billionaire off of that alone. What you gotta do as a brand is pick a lane, either mass market and try to fulfill every order which means your shit will end up on the discount rack, or never grow and always make only x units per season no matter what and leave an unknown amount of demand not served.
>>18723930>bitches about nihilism and ironic culture>uses muh unironicallyHow about you stop using and perpetuating that stupid word for starters? Why do faggots on the internet always feel the need to frame everything through the perspective "irony" instead of just saying what they want to say?
>>18724018China was a mistake. They should've kept production to EU. nobody wants to buy made in china clothing except the chinese.
>>18724019>actually lowk think they had someone save them behind the scenes because usually this type of mismanagement sinks a fashion brand.It is actually Kat, or Kat's dad, keeping the brand afloat. Her dad is a multi millionaire from Beijing and is also funding her failing London retail store. They also lost big on their sex toy brand that all the ACR fanbois keep trying to sweep under the rug. Don't forget Errolson's 64 year old German ex-wife owns half of ACR and he has child support payments for his hapa son. There is a reason he has to do cringe meet the fans events all over China now to stay alive.
>>18724018>>18724019Well he has clearly seen how well Made to Order brands like Enfin Leve and Rosen are doing, which is why he is now pitching made to order for ACR on his Twitter and private channels. No inventory problems and it can avoid big quality fuck ups that ACR keeps having with zippers sewn on upside down or stitching falling apart on entire batches. It doesn't help that those made to order brands that started much later than him are putting out higher quality at a cheaper price as well. The only way he is getting any sales is to the tragic r/asianmasculinity types, which is why he has been pandering to them so much lately. You can't sell your brand as cool when there are now hundreds like pic rel. floating around online. He went hard on the hypebeast angle but streetwear is dead.
>>18724841>also funding her failing London retail store.what's her store? is that where they had the acrnm pop up in london a year ago?
>>18724050e's gonna inherit a fuckload when his dad dies soon. his dad is worth a lot and made bank as an architect before he retired so maybe acrnm gonna pop off again once e gets his money up
>>18724871labstore london is the old onevoyeurvoyeur____________ is her new store>>18724080I'd be fine with MIC if it was priced like ninjawarning 600€ for nylon shorts or 2k€ for a nylon jacket however is not it
>>18724952>voyeurvoyeur>almost all the products are last season and are 80% offoof
>>18724841wtf is that really a dildo? hahah
>>18724971not just a dildo, a 450€ silicone vibrator
Erlsn is with kat for the money it seems. She’s a fame addicted freak.>>18724894>>18724841What are kat’s dad and erlsn’s dad’s names?
>>18725723Isn't Errolson like 30 years older than her? Funny all the woke crowd that love Errolson are ok with him being a groomer.
being a groomer is chad flex
me with my baby mamas
>>18725723I don't know Kat's dad. Her Chinese name is like Qiu something or people who know them in London have sad that her dad pays all the bills.But Errolson's dad is Errol Patrick Hugh who lives in Toronto and did most of his work in Hong Kong. It's funny he has sketches his son did and even at a young age he was a little brand whore haha. Also funny that Errolson's dad is mostly white, so Errolson is like Bruce Lee, held up as a Chinese icon when he's actually just mixed and larps Chinese while crying about white privilege. So he's a nepo baby funded by daddy, a groomer, a born brandwhore, and a fake Asian on top of it. So much for the future of fashion.
>>18726196too bad e didn't cop his dad's hair genes. every bald dude copes with acr as their last chance at having some kind of masculinity lmaoo
The biggest issue is the word autism or autistic. Anything that has any sense of taste or even remotely whimsical or bold is seen as a sign of mental illness. It’s also why you see less alternative people like goth or punk, aside from a porn category for OnlyFans whores. You’ll notice that nobody considered hipsters autistic, despite their quirky apparel.Let’s say I went out wearing a pink shirt covered in hearts like a pattern. People would immediately think I have autism if I did that, even if the shirt fits me just fine and works with my complexion.
typical acronym buyer these days
I think the problem is that most men's fashion is derived from workwear rather than haute couture. The story of everything from Levi's jeans to Stetson hats is workers having a specific need addressed by a local clothier. These conditions disappear as more people work in offices in ABC pants and polyester polos, not that there's any local clothiers anyway. These days it seems they're trying to push trends down from haute couture rather than raise them from workwear, military, etc. For example, MSCHF boots vs timbs.
>>18726205Hate on him all you want but he making more money than you
>>18726682I’m seeing the opposite the only people I see wearing something with some sense of bold tastes would be minors under 18 dressing like a mall goth. It’s like in recent months someone came with the consensus to stop having tastes or trying once you hit 22. It’s really sad.>stop having tastes>stop having fun >you should be focused on a wife and kids instead of fashion>Kys if you’re not married yet
>>18724980>>18724971>>18724841>hapa sonDo we know the kid?The sex toy stuff is completely insane. Kat truly is an alien freak... Do we need to save erlsn? This is genuinely some weirdo shit and I believe he's lost his mind.
>>18726198>be Errol Hugh>have son>name him ErrolSONabsolute cringe kino
>>18724050>Don't forget he's a nepo baby.no, he's not come on dude. yeah his dad was an architect in fucking EDMONTON ALBERTA. he didn't go to FIT or CSM or something, he went to fucking Ryerson in Toronto for fashion school. You can say all sorts of retarded shit about Errolson that's true but you can't call him a nepo baby.you're also leaving out the part where him and michaela worked from 1994 to 2001 as freelance designers, that was SEVEN years they spent building a war chest so they could launch a brand in 2001. get the fuck out of here with this nepo baby shit.>Is this something you watched and saw yourself or are you picking up someone else's story. worked in the industry since 2014, followed acronym since 2008, occasional customer although i havent bought anything in years. so yeah i know more than the average person about errolson and his brand and have connections who have worked with him. but i can't say i know him or anyone on his team directly. so whatever im saying is just my own theories crafted from knowledge that's certainly not street or customer level, but i'm still obviously working with an incomplete picture of whatever is truly going on behind the scenes over there. but typically brands don't ever stop wholesaling once they start so acronym doing that is a bad sign that means something major happened. >>18724058you have a weird ass retarded understanding of the business. there's no "picking a lane" there's simply times to expand and times to contract, times to raise prices and times to lower prices (or if you're following the principle of never lowering prices, times to raise value). errolson basically has done everything he could wrong when it comes to this stuff. so it's not as simple as saying "everyone has these problems". yes everyone has these problems but MOST people like i illustrated with the rick example are much better at navigating them.
>>18724080i disagree. the EU production was just the tilak factory. i don't know the exact deal errolson had with them but from my understanding it was something like him and michaela designed the tilak mainline and in exchange tilak would manufacture acronym for them. but it was always this kind of janky set up where tilak was making acronym in a corner of the factory during their down time and it worked out because they got world class designers to help them with their own line for free and acronym's production numbers were so small it wasn't a huge workload for them. once acronym started getting popular and needed to ramp up production this handshake deal became a nightmare for the czechs. they weren't a factory that made other peoples brands. it was a family owned company that simply manufactured their own brand. once acronym, which was this cute experimental project they made in their free time started seriously cutting into their own brands production it became a thorn in their side. im pretty sure acronym paid more and more each season to keep getting their stuff made there but it was a terrible set up. they were basically paying out the ass simply because they didn't want to go through the headache of finding another factory to work with. meanwhile the factory itself didn't even like working with acronym and was re-evaluating the handshake deal they made years prior every single season. this is why acronym had such production issues for so many years, they couldn't increase production because they had completely outgrown the factory they were at. and while they went around europe trying to find someone else who could do what tilak did but at a much larger scale they started to realize that for years tilak had basically been undercharging them and giving them the friends discount and not complaining about stuff factories normally complain about.
>>18727456so when acronym started finding out what a headache their own brand is to produce and how no one else in europe wanted to do it they were kind of forced to go to china. my argument is they should have gone to china way sooner, visvim did the same thing and i don't think either brands quality has dipped. the reality is china is one of the only places you can go to now to get really complicated shit made. ziggy chen very famously tried to move to europe for years but could not find a single factory that could do stuff as intricately as he can get done in china. also you're dead wrong about no one wanting to buy made in china. everyone just accepts it. not now or not ever has their been an actual strong movement against made in china. there's always just a small handful of chuds (i know im one myself) who will stop buying the brand but we are 1% of the audience. mfing dior or louis vuitton or something could all move to china tomorrow and no one would care. listen i fucking WISH people cared about this shit but they don't. acronym being made in china didn't sink the brand. you and i wish that was the reason but be honest dawg that had nothing to do with it.
>>18724841bro i don't know if i can really trust you. the sex toy brand you're talking about has nothing to do with errolson or kat lol. that's filip arickx's brand, the guy from a.f.vandevorst. he just cast kat in an editorial for the brand. basically because you're completely wrong about this point i have no idea if kat having a rich dad or errolson owing child support is real. but errolson and kat absoluetly did not "lose big" on a brand they don't own and have nothing to do with.>>18724849alright this thread is getting filled to the brim with disinfo now. since when was acronym made to order? i don't see anything like that on their current site. everything that's available is in stock and ships instantly. and there's a lot of fucking stock. and if it's sold out you can't buy it. made to order is by definition, nothing is on hand, product is only produced when it sells. that's not something acronym has ever did or has started to do. they stopped wholesaling, as in they stopped selling to stores. which is something that you typically do when you have serious problems going on behind the scenes. in order to wholesale you have to go to paris (or london or nyc or whatever) twice a year and have a full collection ready for stores to order, and then you have to produce that collection and deliver it to retailers and there are strict timelines. you send a late delivery and the store doesn't have enough time to sell it before sale season they can sue you or send the product back for breaking contract. acronym did not stop wholesaling to start doing made to order. they're just doing direct to consumer, so essentially their only "wholesale" customer is themselves. they are still making collections and full production runs and releasing them on their site but they can be late af and basically drop shit whenever and no one can complain.
>>18727467but like i said, typically a brand that wholesales has no reason to STOP wholesaling. once you're on the fashion calendar you just get used to the pace. stores give you free advertising and do all the distribution for you. its a good system and you make good money as long as you can keep up.as for the asian shit idk dawg, i don't think that has tanked the brand at all, i think if anything it's helped a shit ton. errolson being unapologetically asian sort of makes him stand out. im white and think it's kind of cringe (because i know he grew up in a super white area and has a white ex wife and lives in mfing germany) but i can still step back and look at it objectively from a business perspective. if i was an investor i would probably still tell him to lean into the asian identity shit because the entire world is ran by libtards and basically eats that shit up.again like i said to the other anon who thinks him moving production to china tanked the brand. there is stuff you may subjectively find cringe / gay / whatever but that does NOT mean it actually has any kind of real financial effect. errolson posting stop asian hate or whatever on twitter basically has zero impact on whether he's going to have a better or worse financial quarter, no matter how much you wish it would tank the brand. meanwhile shit like things being constantly sold out or constantly NOT sold out actually do have real financial effects over the brand season by season.
>>18720106Well men aren't really gonna wear skirts or skimpy outfits like women.
>>18727467>bro i don't know if i can really trust you. the sex toy brand you're talking about has nothing to do with errolson or kat lol. that's filip arickx's brand, the guy from a.f.vandevorst. he just cast kat in an editorial for the brand.Look up who is Trent Koch. If you think you know what you are talking about you will know who he is and his now ex-relationship with Kat Qiu. She has burned a lot of bridges in London.>since when was acronym made to order? i don't see anything like that on their current siteHe literally has posts on his Twitter talking about shifting to made to order. You have no idea what you are talking about.You say you are white but you talk like in this sad millenial ebonics. I am guessing you are some sufu tier boomer who somehow wandered in here. You are defending Errolson for hundreds of words while saying absolutely nothing that someone wouldn't be able to figure out from Reddit. You're no insider "dawg". I am not the person you are replying to and I think the Asian identity marketing and move to China was brilliant. Tilak has always been mid and Errolson is probably making bank selling gamer aligned merch to zero masculinity Asian dweebs who can't get into fashion but want to buy things to flex. He's always run his hypebeast label well.
>>18727099weird cope. being a fashion victim is never cool
>>18727485i honestly don't know much about kat, i'm just telling you that her and errolson have nothing to do with nightfall. further up you say they lost big on it somehow... except it's not their company and they have nothing to do with it. kat modelled for them in a single editorial. like i said the company is owned by the a.f.vandevorst guy and from what i've heard it's doing pretty well. so when you say shit like it's kat and errolson's company and they gambled on dildos being big or something and the company tanked and they lost all their money... that's just a retarded made up story that's not true. so why should i trust anything else you have to say?>He literally has posts on his Twitter talking about shifting to made to order. You have no idea what you are talking about.okay to be fair i don't have twitter and i don't really keep up with acronym. but let's pause for a second. how do i have no idea what i'm talking about when i just checked the website and nothing is made to order? the fact that i missed an errolson tweet about going made to order and therefore i have no idea what im talking about is retarded when from checking the website it doesn't look like that random ass tweet went anywhere lol.>I am guessing you are some sufu tier boomer who somehow wandered in here.ex sufu user? yes. boomer? if you mean anyone over 30, yeah. wandered in? no, i've been on /fa/ since day 1 when it was a nsfw board.>You are defending Errolson for hundreds of words not really, my point from the first post i made in this thread was errolson absolutely has cooked his own brand but it happened through logistical mismanagement and not any of the reasons you guys think. which is stuff like him going woke or w/e. then further down the thread you guys just start making random shit up about the dude that's not even remotely true. im not so much defending errolson as saying look, this is just patently false and easy to verify as complete fiction and not true.
>>18727511>You're no insider "dawg".in this particular situation? not really because errolson is in berlin and that keeps him pretty isolated from the fashion world. also to be fair i work for a brand that's basically based out of the middle of nowhere itself but i still go to PFW and milano unica. so like i said im much more of an insider than the average person on the street. but in this particular case i still have to piece together theories from what i've heard from buyers and some people i know in tokyo. it's not like with other brands or companies where i have a direct line and could tell you very flatly what's going on because i have a first hand report. >He's always run his hypebeast label well.agreed on the other stuff but big pause on this one. errolson used to literally be part owners in firmament. why was there never an acr store? why is he still doing pop ups at 54? why isn't he wholesaling anymore? i think the PRODUCT has always been impeccable but the brand itself has been ran pretty poorly. also in retrospect look at all the design work he did for other people like herno laminar and stone island shadow project and acg. where is that stuff now? it all seems like such a colossal waste. in retrospect he burnt the candle at both ends during his most productive years. making other peoples brands that no one even cared about look good. while his own brand suffered massively for it.
>retards care about the personal lives and drama behind designers rather than the topic
>>18727511>this is just patently false and easy to verify as complete fiction and not true.Except it is not. They were way more involved with Trent in a number of projects that they also contributed money in, including voyeur voyeur, some which went belly up. Do your own research.
>>18727512>i think the PRODUCT has always been impeccable but the brand itself has been ran pretty poorly.The product has always been streetwear stuff, which is fine if you are used to Supreme, and nothing like the high end fashion some people want to larp it is. The brand is doing what it needs to stay alive and if he didn't have those Chinese and Asian identity geeks supporting him, the brand would be dead. So I think he is doing pretty decent keeping it afloat with such mid product. The fact is, Acronym has been pulled from almost all important retailers in Japan and China and he's doing a lot of very cringey fan meets and collabs. He is talking about running made to order on his Twitter. Kat Qiu has run a few projects she has been involved in as partners with different people into the ground. Stone Island and Nike dropped him a long time ago. He is lucky to have those pay pigs but no one outside of that weird Asian identity crisis set are supporting him anymore. And even many of those Asian incel types switched to new Asian e-daddys like Hiroki at Visvim. >agreed on the other stuff but big pause on this one. errolson used to literally be part owners in firmament. why was there never an acr store?See above. Once people actually handled the clothes at retail and could see it was something that competed with Supreme or Bape more than it did Visvim or Rick Owens there just was no interest outside of terminally online people who either don't know better or buy it because it is supporting Errolson. An Acronym retail store would burn money and not keep afloat. Darklands used to sell Enfin Leve right next to Acronym. They dropped Acronym but kept Enfin. That shows you how poor the product handles, feels and looks when compared to fashion. He has to keep it online to hide this fact.
>>18718636can't believe this is an actual photo on some brand's web store
>>18727566Dawg go look at your own screen shot you uploaded:>>18724841You named it "errolsonhughsbuttplug company.jpg"Errolson Hugh has NOTHING to do with it. This Trent Koch guy you're talking about per your own screen shot was hired by the company to shoot an editorial for them. He cast Kat, Errolson's gf in the editorial. That's it. The company itself is owned by Filip Arickx the guy from A.F.Vandevorst. This Trent guy has no monetary investment in said Dildo company, he's a photographer, Kat has no monetary investment in it, she modelled for them, Errolson has no connection whatsoever besides dating Kat, and so obviously no monetary investment in it. You come into the thread saying it's Errolson's company, and he lost big on it, and had to sweep its failure under the rug.This is all a straight up lie. It's patently false. It's a made up story you created from his gf shilling the company (because she modelled for them you dipshit). So I said hey man, it's kind of hard to believe anything you have to say about Errolson or Acronym and Kat and her family and Errolson's family or whatever because you are straight up posting a total falsehood that he owned a failed Dildo company.Now you're trying to move the goal post and talk about Kat's store being a failure or something. I don't care, recant the Dildo company connection now or I have no reason to reply to you anymore.
>>18727584Alright you're actually a retard and don't know anything about clothes. Acronym is not fucking streetwear / Supreme level quality lol. It has always been designer level since the day it came out. When Acronym debuted the craziest stuff out there was like Y-3 and Prada Sport. Go look up Y-3 and Prada Sport from 2001/2002 and then go look up Acronym KIT-1. When that shit dropped it completely blew everything else away. Acronym is STILL like that. If I go on the website right now the stuff they do today is still fucking insane on a purely technical level.You have got to be rage baiting or you very seriously know next to nothing about garment construction. Acronym is absolutely orders of magnitude more complex than visvim. Rick Owens as well although not to the same degree. Rick has some genuinely innovative pattern cutting and especially draping. But Acronym actually has some psychotic patterns of their own and speaking purely to details I don't think I've ever seen a Rick Pocket or Hood or Opening that's anywhere near the level of the craziest Acronym stuff. Also Darklands didn't "drop" Acronym, none of the stores that carried it dropped it. Acronym stopped wholesaling. You have a weird hate boner for the brand, I don't even care much for it myself these days but saying it has streetwear level quality is just total make believe fantasy. The designs, the patterns, the materials, the hardware, the finishing, is all designer level. There's a reason mfing Sacai collabed with them.
>>18727455are you rich or something?I went to CSM & it doesn't mean anything. Rich people go to mid schools all the time. In fact they excel there, so long as they know someone or they're better than the average student.>>18727584I think I would pay to have you mentor me about how the business world works as I begin my design career.>>18727594He didn't say it was streetwear quality, but it's a streetwear brand. And that is true- ACR is clothing to be worn outside. Urban or hiking, It's not dressup clothing that people wear to events. It's sportswear/streeetwear.
expressing yourself is difficult when everyone is in survival mode and looking for reasons to call each other cringe
>>18727590>You named it "errolsonhughsbuttplug company.jpg"You pretend to be an original /fa/ poster but you think you are talking to just one person.>This Trent Koch guy you're talking about per your own screen shot was hired by the company to shoot an editorial for them. You have no idea who he is. You think he is a photographer. Look up public corporate ownership records. I am not doing your homework.>This Trent guy has no monetary investment in said Dildo company, he's a photographer, Kat has no monetary investment in it, she modelled for them, Errolson has no connection whatsoever besides dating Kat, and so obviously no monetary investment in it.You say this based on evidence you gleamed from an Instagram post. You are not very smart.>I don't care, recant the Dildo company connection now or I have no reason to reply to you anymore.I am not the only person talking to you about that dildo business he was involved in. And you have squawked for about 600 words in this thread. I think you will keep going, personally as you seem very irrationally invested in defending this streetwear designer.>Acronym is not fucking streetwear / Supreme level quality lol.It is if you actually handled it.>When Acronym debuted the craziest stuff out there was like Y-3 and Prada Sport.Are you kidding with this? >go look up Acronym KIT-1. When that shit dropped it completely blew everything else away.You mean that lame hoodie that shipped with a comic book of Errolson in sneakers being a superhero? That sneakerhead release is your evidence that Acronym is not street? Lol.>Acronym is STILL like that. Not according to its fans who have been saying it fell off for years.> If I go on the website right now the stuff they do today is still fucking insane on a purely technical level.Based on what? A fit pic of Errolson? If Taobao sellers can clone Acronym's entire product line for $150 a piece it is not that advanced, is it?
>>18727594>ou have got to be rage baiting or you very seriously know next to nothing about garment construction. Acronym is absolutely orders of magnitude more complex than visvim. Rick Owens as wellThis is your brain on copium. Go back to your Acronym discord you retard. Rick Owens has among the best pattern makers in the business. You are out of your mind if you think Acronym comes close to anything they do.>Acronym stopped wholesaling.Nice cope. Just like how you shut up about Errolson wanting to go made to order after seeing he has been posting about it on Twitter recently.>You have a weird hate boner for the brandIt is just a streetwear brand, I don't care about it any more than I do WTAPS or BAPE, who also use Gore-tex and YKK zips, except unlike Acronym those don't seem to fall off in under a year of wear. > don't even care much for it myself these days No, you are a rabid fan. No one else would care this much. >The designs, the patterns, the materials, the hardware, the finishing, is all designer level. Sorry, Gore-tex and YKK zippers are not designer level. Get real. There is a reason his old pay pigs went to brands like Visvim and were shocked at the quality increase.> There's a reason mfing Sacai collabed with them.Sacai also collabed with Carhartt and Nike, which are both streetwear. It's kind of their thing to tap into youth culture. Also the Acronym Sacai collab work was the one that famously fell apart off the rack, with no refunds. Stupid example for you to use.Also one other stupid thing you said: Errolson's dad being a nobody. He worked on high profile jobs in Hong Kong for many years. He is loaded. I am sorry the truth hurts but you are living outside reality at this point.
>>18727633>I think I would pay to have you mentor me about how the business world works as I begin my design career.Good luck, we need more /effay/ winners doing well.
Welcome to /fa/ where a street wear brand’s patterns are rated better than Rick Owen’s. I thought 2018 /fa/ was already bad but I’m genuinely in awe at how much worse it has gotten.
>>18727584>>18727662>>18727658Actually here's a temp email. If you are willing to share some wisdom to a young aspiring designer email me here: licara2752@luxudata.com and I will reply from my personal address after this thread archives. In a few months after I get some things sorted I would appreciate the access channel and might hit you up.
>>18727679explain whats so good about rick, because similar to aitor throup; their stuff looks cringe and performatively artsy... i dont get it. maybe i dont understand fashion
>>18727688
Can you shut the fuck up with those long fucking replies?>selected all of them for replies>system thinks it’s spam
>>18727360i don't know if he needs saving, i just know acronym was doing a lot better when he was still with melody reilly and didn't have to come up with balenciaga and rick cope (techwear edition) to appease his coke head gf (to her credit i will say that i really enjoy lab store london, mostly due to the staff there being super nice).>>18727467>>18727512from what i've gathered, they planned a flagship store together with COEVO, created a collection for that only for COEVO to stall for years and ultimately sell their stock heavily discounted which meant people were buying stock that was also on mothersite for less than wholesale prices.>>18727652>It is if you actually handled it.i call bullshit. i'm not gonna pretend like they've released anything interesting in the last 5-6 years, but having owned and worn quite a bit of acronym over the years, the quality (especially for the made in eu stuff) is peak. i bought a 3a-1 bag 15+ years ago that (without babying it) still looks and functions like new. same goes their pants (aside from stotz patina, which isn't exactly at the fault of the brand and more so a byproduct of the fabric) and jackets - i'm still wearing the goretex j28 i bought in 2013. the patterning is genuinely crazy, not a single loose thread, seamtape intact, zero delamination - i'm not sure where you get the idea from that they're streetwear level quality.
>>18727942>(to her credit i will say that i really enjoy lab store london, mostly due to the staff there being super nice)so you live in london. Labstore is okay. Voyeur was interesting but kinda weird. the location sucks. Dirty area.>>18727658ACRNM is the highest qual stuff I have, so idk about what supreme and other streetwear brands are like. But I was impressed with the qual. My made in Czech Republic stuff seems high end. What's better? Educate me so that I can learn what's better quality for this type of product.Leather goods, and delicately made products are different. But for patterning and construction I think ACRNM is great.
>>18727960>so you live in london.no but i used to work there a few years ago and like to visit. this is also my first post itt so pls don't confuse me for the "i know more about the business of fashion than you peasant consumers" autist.
>>18727961I dont understand what people like about london, compared to say tokyo. London is dirty, what does it have to make up for it
>>18723667I know a chigga when I see one
>>18727942>>18727960Shut the fuck up
>>18727998whats the problem man
>>18728007Jeet
>>18728008you bloody
there's still 'avant-garde', although i'm curious if there are examples of past avant-garde that are actually mainstream now
>>18727594>>18727679>>18727713>>18728251Someone please tell me what's so good about Rick. I look at this and do not get it at all
>>18727960the made in CZ stuff is good because it's made by Tilakbut acr as a whole is garbage
>>18728298you DO understand that runway fashion includes lots of goofy shit and ONE actual piece the company sells, right?
>>18728352yes. You haven't answered my question. What's so good about rick.
>>18718636everyone should just go naked.
>>18728360hilarious
>>18728358>What's so good about rick.its exaggerated and futury, but in a 90s sci fi movie way. ive never felt like his stuff was that hard to understand except maybe the drop crotch pants.
>>18728494His earlier stuff before he became sporty was pretty neat in a gothic sort of way, namely his tall tees and minimalist jackets.
>>18718636Fashion has been playing to people's expectations rather than defining them for a decade now.
>>18721434Literally a zoomer making a video for fellow zoomers. It's not representative of anything more.
>>18724018>>18724019>>18724058>>18727455>>18727456Love business discussion.
>>18726682Your thesis is interesting and makes sense superficially, but it's probably more accurate to say men's fashion derives from modifications to clothing worn specifically for particular activities in general, such as a skater's shorts—which of course isn't work, but play, and again, more generally, his way of life.
>>18727526learn to read and then give the op another go-over
>>18727918adhd zoomer retard
>>18728511No. I hate those posts. They’re focused way too much on individuals rather than the topic in a broad perspective. They’re practically off topic.
>>18727360this fat grifter clown will get cancelled probably. people really hatin age gaps lately
>>18728251air con jackets were done years ago in japan. maybe 10 years at least. nothing is new
>>18728552>"why are you discussing the founder and ceo of a fashion company? they have nothing to do with the quality, operations, and fortunes of the business"
>>18728763From Today.We discuss now unga unga.But really it’s all intertwined.
>>18728848>date fashion designer zaddy>don't wear his designswhat was the point
>>18728848is what he is wearing here the amazing patterns that some sufu nibba was gooning about before? lmao imagine being this clueless
>>18728848Why is her hands and head the same size as his? the face is so ugly too. is this an anorexic dude with fake tits?
>>18728494>>18728496how correct is this against your understanding of the world of fashion?
>>18728848his nickname on discord is cucklson for a reason
>>18729903>Boohoo>Tier oneIt doesn’t even have a tier. It’s basically a fake brand and retailer.
>>18729903shit old list that needs updated. CCP is basically dorkwear now worn only by the lamest of redditors
>>18729903is there even any 18th- 19th century military milsurp? they didn't really make more than they need back then and the stuff they did make got worn until it disintegrated
>>18728848so much ai filter and they are still hideous lmao
>>18730088>theyI think erlsn looks good for his age, Kat has always been offputting.
>>18718636>martial arts movie henchman fit
>>18729903>PACSUNthat brand is so dead most people don't even know who im talking about when i said i used to work there.
>>18727942>i bought a 3a-1 bag 15+ years ago that (without babying it) still looks and functions like new.You mean the bags made by Bagjac that have almost nothing to do with Acronym? And that reek like a wet down and aren't waterproof at all because they are made of vinyl? You're a retard who has no idea what quality even is.>I think erlsn looks good for his ageNot really anymore. All those candid shots of him that aren't super edited like the OP pic look real bad.
>>18730161PacSun went from the popular teenage brand to being SEARS-tier. The same fate as Quicksilver.
>>18730161we should make a new list. this old one sucks and full of irrelevant brands. maybe gpt can do it quicker
>>18728848gross old groomer
>>18730218get started then. I'm the clueless one that asked. I have no idea about ranking brands. If you ask me- acrnm goes on top/
>>18731616on top of the iceberg? that would be shit like amazon allcaps chink wear, underarmor, lulu and fear of god.
>>18730180>You mean the bags made by Bagjac that have almost nothing to do with Acronym?ah, you almost had a point. while there are a lot acronym bags that are just bagjack bags with a ridiculous markup, the 3a-1 is completely designed and patented by acronym. wasn't even made by bagjack initially but by KHS, a german manufacturer of tactical military equipment. wasn't made of vinyl either. you can call me a retard all you want, but making up shit because you've already decided what you want to believe is a lot more pathetic.
>>18731633that's a start...Nothing worth saying. Probably deserves it's own thread where someone is willing to actually make a chart
>>18731314There are far more gross people in that circle... namely:>>18724841 >>18723667
>Crowd Create, Inc.: Specialized in community building and alternative platform seeding, embedding content creators into spaces like 4chan and Discord to pivot conversations toward products.>Alt Terrain (Alt Terrain LLC): A guerrilla marketing firm offering "Underground & Peer-to-Peer Subversion" packages, designed to make brand-driven trends appear as if they originated from subcultures.>Socially Powerful Ltd: A global agency specializing in "Dark Social," creating narratives for fashion brands to ensure products are recommended in anonymous or private spaces.>Netino (by Webhelp): A large digital moderation corporation that provides "active narrative steering," using human actors to flood digital zones with specific talking points to shift opinion on aesthetics.>The Inbound Junction Network: A digital PR entity that specializes in "native placement," using networks of aged accounts to seed specific image boards with curated "inspirational" lookbooks to push certain aesthetics.Fashion isn’t dead. The organic creativity and tastes on this board are.
>>18731715lol. lmao even>those 50 cent coil zips>zara-tier stitching>nononono i swear all the other bags are cheap vinyl bagjac shit but not my one therefore Acronym is cool actually!You are completely mentally locked into a streetwear fandom. You have no idea about fashion and it is even more pathetic because you are some old ass gen x wigger who wasted over a decade of his life on a hypebeast brand. Streetwear and other black culture flex shit that permeated sufu is dead dude. Wake up.
>>18718636fashion has been dead since the counter culture became mainstream in the late 60s
>>18731916what does that even mean
>>18731921durr
>>18727942you sound really really familiar how you write and your opinions. you didn't work for arcteryx did you??
>>18731916Fashion didn’t die. It’s just that it became less creative and what is trendy is a lot more forced. In the past, you had a musician people looked up to, such as girls having a crush on a lead singer or an actor on TV. Now you get some “influencer” paid to push a lie through artificial hype.Let’s also not forget that fashion is less eccentric. There’s rarely anything that stands out or looks creative. No reinventing the wheel or improving upon something, and taking elements from the past is kept to an extreme minimum. Look how long it took for Converse to come out with sneakers that finally have a thick sole to them, and they’re dumb levels of expensive because they’re collaborated by Rick Owens.
>>18731906educate me on zips>>18732070Help me be inspired by the right people from history. Who set a good example? Who should I study?>>18732012Now that you say that I have a arcteryx NY store sales worker in mind.
>>18731906my nigga i don't own the shitty first edition, i was just pointing out that the 3a-1 wasn't a bagjack design that - to quote you - has "almost nothing to do with Acronym", but exclusively an acronym design with zero bagjack involvement in the design process. they've been producing them for over two decades now and the one i own is made of XPAC (waterproof laminate) and has a raccagni metal zipper. i haven't bought a new acronym item since 2018 and am 15 years removed from gen x. they have become balenciaga slop and rick cope over the last 7 years and have gone down the drain hard - all i'm saying is that my experience with the shit i bought from them in the mid 10's is quality and has been holding up despite regular use until today. your projections are annoying at best and sad at worst. >>18732012nope
>>18732445lmao u got wrecked and are back pedaling now. and lol that u think that tilak is "the best quality and patterning in the world!" imagine believing that. as if all the $150 taobao fakes of acronym that are 1:1 replicas could do what no other company in the world couldnt? dumb ass if acronym's patterns were actually good every big company with real money like TNF, HH arc or huge fashion corps like prada would do it. ur a retard who coped hard and is now stuck with plastic hypebeast shit no one wants. j1as on grailed for $400 now.
I wasted my life getting a stem education how do I get a career in fashion?
>>18732575Capital
