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Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.

Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.
The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.
There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.

Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.

Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.
It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.

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hairlettes on suicide watch

https://www.pmda.go.jp/files/000245812.pdf

This study that I saw on leddit is pretty interesting. Again we can confirm that 2.5mg dut nukes 95-99% of your DHT, and 0.5mg nukes 90% so it's almost impossible for a guy to have AGA and dut not work. If a guy is balding on 2.5mg it's pretty certain that it's another type of balding and not AGA

>>18735063
If it was only possible to get a prescription for 2.5g

>>18735063
>>18735189
The good thing is that most other alopecias don't present in the Norwood pattern, there is lichen planopilaris and that's about it. You can have AGA and stress/health related alopecias as well, they do stack.

>>18735049
Hair is neither 'love' nor 'life', you fucking incel.

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>7 months into fin
>suddenly in a single week I go from having 10-20 hairs on my comb every time I take a shower to maybe 1 strand every other day
It's actually fucking work, and right on schedule too. Glad I got on it before my density went to total shit, I mean you can tell my hair is thin when it's wet but dry it looks completely normal. When I add minoxidil to my stack it should even out when wet too. Thanks /balding/. I legitimately would have given in to the fearmongering and turned into domehead if it weren't for you.

>>18735060
You're the one without the will to live, or fucking wash yourself. Fucking bum.

bad hair shedding immediately after starting Vyvanse. will finasteride stop this?

>>18735301
See a doctor

>>18735301
are you a woman?

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>>18735049
>Reminder that if you can clearly see down to your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning
i can see my scalp when my hair is dry, how fucked am i? also, does collagen do anything? i'm using hydrolyzed marine collagen.

Do you think woman care much if your visibly thinning, but look good in a baseball cap which you wear most of the time?

>>18735453
hat fishing is a concept for a reason, bro

>>18735313
they didn’t know either and suggested i give finasteride a try. doctors are fucking retarded jack of all trades, they don’t know about specific issues

>>18735382
obviously not

>>18735667
Then give it a try. It doesn't sound like MPB to me though. Are you losing hair all over your head or just the typical male pattern area on the top of the scalp?

>>18735063
but does it nuke the SCALP dht.

>>18735263
yet i still have hair and therefore am better off

>>18735667
>obviously not
obviously you are because that side effect of vyvanse literally only occurs in women kek

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>>18735049
Should I hop on fin? I'm just worried about the shed. I probably won't hop on min just due to the fact that taking a pill is way easier than rubbing liquids on your scalp.
Picrel is a 5-year difference. Left is me at 21. Right is at 16. Looking back it's kind of crazy given how much of my hair falls out every day, especially when I shower. My bedroom floor is just full of loose hairs. It looks like a barbershop.

>>18736230
Yes you should hop on fin, that's thinning hair, the hairline itself has receded and honestly it's not that bad yet so there's a lot of recovery potential with fin alone but minoxidil would help that further long ofc. Go talk to a derm or use telemedicine, honestly much more convenient these days.

>>18736230
They make minoxidil in pill form

>>18736230
>I'm just worried about the shed.
Look, the shed is gonna happen. But it will get better. Going bald is forever, the shed is temporary, you have to endure it.

I scheduled an appointment with a very good dermatologist, specialized in trichology. I came from the appointment feeling positive after he told me that I was indeed balding and that I would have to take fin and min. My hair is normal everywhere but the top where I'm clearly balding (30% hair). The issue I have has to do with what he prescribed. He told me I was gonna have to take 5mg oral min every 2 days and 5mg Fin once a week for a year to make sure I dont suffer any sides. This left me relieved but now, after having looked up things, it seems really rare to prescribe 5mg of fin (no, I dont have prostate issues), and I'm wondering if it could have more sides or if it will even do that much considering half life. I obviously will contact my doctor but I also wanted to know what you guys thought from your experience.

inb4 "just use a pill cutter"

>>18736426
I don't think he knows what he's doing or you misunderstood the directions. Minoxidil should be daily as with fin, the half lives are too short to take EOD let alone a fucking week. So many things wrong with this that you have to have misunderstood, there's no way.

anyone buy fin off mark cubans child labor emporium?

>>18736457
So I was wrong about min. I do have to take it every day. But he did say that I had to take fin once a week. I founf it weird because of the half life but he told me it was so the sides would be non existent. He's very good so I trust that he knows what he's talking about and I'e already emailed him but still, it doesnt really make sense

>>18736459
yeah it's pretty nice, though i buy dut

>>18736460
Well fin once a week is going to have non existent sides and almost non existent results lol, fin will be nearly entirely gone out of your body in a few days to 1 week. It would be better to just take 1mg every day. If you were to get sides, and were taking every day, it'd take only 1 week for fin to leave your body, so idk why the derm thinks it would be better for side effects.

Anything less than 1.5mg dutasteride
Is waste of money. You may slowdown your loss but you’re not keeping your full hair potential

>>18736485
Yeah I don't understand either. I checked the half life data and it doesnt really make sense since it doesnt scale to 5mg. I emailed him and I'll wait and see.
Im also a bit nervous about sides desu, I know they stop when you stop taking it but what I develop boobs or something like that. I know it's rare but stil.
Also, how do you guys feel about having to buy meds and take them every day for the rest of your lives?

>>18736460
This doctor is retarded anon. 5mg fin is absolutely not in any way a dose for hair loss. For instance 1mg is only marginally less effective than 5mg in terms of DHT suppression. Side effects however are exponentially more prevalent in doses used for treating prostate hyperplasia (which is what 5mg is for). Your doctor is quite literally side-effect maxxing for none of the benefits to your hair. Again, you have to have misunderstood I bet he intends for you to split the pill in 4 or 5ths, there is no way someone as reputable as you claim would prescribe this.

>>18736499
See that's what I thought. From research it seems like everyone who was told to buy 5mg was just told that so they'd split it but I have the document with the dosages and it does say to take 5mg once a week

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I'm 26, and for about two years now I've losing hair in the shower, nothing alarming, maybe about 15-20 strands when I wash my hair. Recently, I've noticed that my hairline, especially in the middle, looks thinner than before. Lately, my sleep habits have been pretty bad and, just to mention some possible causes, I switched brands of shampoo.
I’m writing here because I’ve found that topical minoxidil is dirt cheap, and in theory, I should only apply it to my hairline.
So, do you think I should give it a try? What scares me the most about this is that, from what I’ve read, it’s a treatment you have to follow for the rest of your life.

>>18736666
fix your sleep and lower stress

there is no point to using minoxidil if you aren't going to use it always

How do I know if my hair is regrowing and not miniaturizing if I’m on Dut and oral min (or if Dut and oral min work)?. I either have small hair growing or my longer hair miniaturizing and I can’t tell which one it is. Hairline and scalp only btw, sides are all equal in size.

>>18736731
Time, but if dut + oral min isn't working you likely don't have pure AGA.

I've heard mint oil and other extracts can be good for the hair and scalp, do you guys just mix it straight into shampoo or is should I make a solution and rub it into the scalp? I'm not balding but my dad is. I'm probably good for another 20 years and I don't need fin now. I just want to improve my hair health.

>>18736753
What else could I have? My thyroid levels are normal.

>>18736486
This is false, there's people that make insane recoveries with fin alone because they caught their AGA early enough. If you're NW3 or above already though yeah better off going for dut since it's the nuclear option.

>>18736499
>>18736485
So my derm just replied and according to him I have to take half a 5mg min pill per day and 1 mg of fin every week. He said it was so the sides didn't occur. Im not balding that much, crown and front are both good, I'm just starting to lose hair on top so maybe that's why

>>18736869
He claims fin stays in the body for 3 weeks, and that 5 mg equals 0.8 mg daily

>>18736873
Drop him and go with a telehealth company. You're wasting your time.

>>18736917
Nah, reading people on Reddit who went to the same doctor, they all had great experiences. It's weird for sure but I assume he's just being careful

>>18736937
1) its not careful, its reckless and ignorant.
2) Its your hair at the end of the day but don't say your second opinion didn't warn you!

>>18736666
sleep won't do shit. minox is a lifetime commitment and it's a pain to apply most of oyu retards are too lazy so don't bother.

>>18736965
Why is it reckless?

>>18737150
You are taking a dosage used specifically to treat an enlarged prostate as someone who probably doesn't have one. You are introducing a real risk of feminizing side effects by overdosing for marginal benefits to your hair. Not that taking it weekly would work as intended anyway, it's not equivalent to 0.8mg a day. You are basically altering your hormonal balance a dangerous amount for a normal person once a week for no reason and no benefit. Avoid this dose like the plague and find a competent doctor that isn't trying to lead you into transitioning.

>>18737169
lol this is more retarded than the doc prescribing fin once a week

>>18737175
5mg fin is/was prescribed as a precursor to HRT. But you know better as always.

>https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/1cadcew/what_to_expect_with_finasteride_5mg/

Can dig up plenty more if you want to get shat on even harder.

>>18737175
>Take a feminizing dose because im so smart!

https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleHairLoss/comments/i01el2/finasteride_5mg_for_female_pattern_hair_loss/

Uninstall 4chan asap.

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>>18737169
The fat old men who take Proscar for BPH still look like fat old men and not trannies

All these people take it every day

>>18737181
Because their DHT is sky high to begin with, do you think they got enlarged prostates by getting fucked in the ass? 5mg fin counters a hormonal imbalance (which leads to an enlarged prostate) which is not present in healthy individuals. I swear some of you guys have zero reading comprehension whatsoever.

>>18737183
Hormonal changes from finasteride are longer lasting than is usually perpetuated. While active DHT suppression is short lived hormonal changes can extend for weeks upon last dose. Don't fuck with 5mg fin if you are a normal healthy individual.

I just chatted to a guy on Reddit who has been taking fin 1x a week and has been followed by the same doctor and he says he's the same as far as sides go

>>18737184
If that were true serum DHT levels would be a predictor of BPH. The real biggest predictor (like advanced AGA) is just age, and more precisely DHT exposure in prostate tissue over time as an adult.

Another day, another zero credence anonymous retard fear mongering in the baldness general about the only way to treat male pattern baldness. That should be bannable off-topic posting at this point

>>18737187
That is almost certainly a factor though I think a major one is an increased susceptibility to the detrimental effects of DHT as you age. Regardless, you are taking a medication to reverse the effects of a hyper-masculine hormone, sounds a lot like pseudo-hrt to me.

>>18737186
No offence but I'm going to assume you are from the 3rd world, or close to it. You may as well be asking a mirror.

>>18737188
What are you a fucking retard? 5mg finasteride has NEVER been approved for treating hair loss. I'm doing the opposite. Do you think it's a good idea to take 40mg minoxidil for hair loss? Some people man.. retarded.

>>18737190
I live in Portugal...

>>18737190
>increased susceptibility to the detrimental effects of DHT as you age.
Not a thing. DHT levels in the tissues don’t change much like testosterone goes down in older men. Older men have more cumulative exposure to DHT in their prostates and hair, and thus get BPH and severe Norwoods.
>Regardless, you are taking a medication to reverse the effects of a hyper-masculine hormone, sounds a lot like pseudo-hrt to me.
First off, being more potent and having different signaling at the androgen receptor isn’t necessarily a good thing. Testosterone is the standard androgen and produces standard signaling at the androgen receptor, which is sufficient for adults. Secondly, most bald men look like George Costanza and Tim Pool.

>>18737188
People like you are exactly why these medications get a bad wrap. Imagine encouraging someone to take 5mg finasteride to treat hair loss then calling for ME to be banned after tirelessly explaining to a person how he should be splitting his dosage and under no circumstances take 5mg in one shot on a regular basis. Are you trying to give credit to PFS?

>>18737196
Im not taking it on a regular basis, Im taking it once a week

I'm taking 1mg dut every day, I feel like I'm growing an uterus

>>18737195
It doesn't matter how people look we don't need to ad hominem a straw man. The fact is that DHT is a hyper masculine hormone responsible for differentiating male vs female traits. Aging, prostate issues, regulating estrogen, etc.. come with the territory of being a man. You take 1mg finasteride and for 99.9% of people that is sufficient in combating the hair issue. Give me one good reason to take 5mg finasteride for hair loss. By the way the clinical trials found the ED incident rate for 5mg at.. wait for it.. 8.1%.

>>18737197
see
>>18737185

I'm getting a bit scared. My doc said it stays in the system for 3 weeks. He said this is so the sides are as reduced as possible and other people took it and are fine

>>18737205
Side effects are very rare for a 1mg dose, almost unheard of. Stop seeing this doctor and find a more credible source of fin.

>>18737206
He's an extremely good source

>>18737207
Then what are you even doing here? Take your 5mg and stop whining.

>>18737209
Idk I think it's weird. Nobody else recommends it

>>18737207
this >>18737209
either trust the doctor or stop whining. you said your balding isn't bad so if you keep losing hair you'll panic and will go for higher doses anyway

>>18737210
Okay then why do you continually disregard people telling you that? This is the best doctor in the world and thats it dude.

>>18737212
Because you dont have good arguments

Can't find ketoconazole (closest source would be ordering Nizoral from Portugal/Italy), thoughts on selenium sulfide? My scalp is a mess

>>18737215
So you're trolling

>>18737217
no, im actually concerned

>>18737219
confirmation bias

>>18735049
I'm about ~6 months in on oral fin + min and I had some really remarkable progress and regrowth at first but now my hair is thinning again. Is that just normal or should I see about changing my dosages or getting on a different drug?

My hairline is intact, I just have thinning on my scalp.

>>18737313
Multiple shedding phases are normal with these meds. There is also a summer shed unrelated to hair loss.

Man this med shed sucks
Taking dut and having a hella of a shed in month 6 is pain in the ass
Imma just become a tranny for the love of the game

>>18737657
the side effects and dread shed will be far worse if you were to suddenly block all testosterone you know

>>18737558
That's pretty relieving then.

>>18737865
I know im not tryba become trans lol ,
But still having thining hair in month 6 that i never had is literally pain aaah

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>>18737558
>There is also a summer shed unrelated to hair loss.
I wish summer never existed

I've started taking 2.5 min a day. How do you guys deal with all of the extra hair? And where does it pop up? Kinda hate the idea of looking like a monkey ngl

>>18738208
you don't.

>Fin 0.5mg a day
>Min 1.25mg a day
>Min on face to promote hair growth
Been doing the Fin since 2012, no sides. Min since 2024 and hairs pretty much back to where it was in 2019 when I lost a bunch to stress. Beards starting to look thicker too.

Every man should do this to looksmax.

>>18738221
I meant the body hair

just buzzed my head and looking in the mirror convinced me to start fin again. why does bald look so bad? Even good looking bald guys would look better with hair

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For those of you using topical minoxidil, when did your shedding start? I started applying it 4 days ago, and I'm noticing a lot more strands of hair than usual in the shower...

>>18738208
Eyebrows, temples, nose, eyelashes, beard, arms. You can pluck it out, shave, or just leave it. It's not a huge deal on 2.5mg.

>>18738399
Within 2 weeks to a month for most

>>18735723
>>18735891
no i am a male and yes i have MPB my temples are receding, but they receded FAST in the 3 weeks i’ve been on vyvanse. i am on finasteride now so hopefully this will fix it. otherwise ill be in a deep pit of depression, if not even the feared DHT blocking drugs like fin wont even help me


if it helps at all, i notice 10ish hairs fall out whenever i take my pre workout

Just another reach out for hair loss relating to ADHD medication (experienced under both Vyvanse and Adderall)


Will high doses of finasteride fix this? Any help is appreciated.

>>18738437
That isn't due to DHT, but you could always have a comorbidity.
>Will high doses of finasteride fix this?
Finasteride as a drug has a huge fall off in efficacy after like a 0.8mg daily dose. 5mg does lower prostate DHT appreciably more than 1mg (hair loss dose) but there's minimal difference in scalp DHT lowered between taking a 1mg daily and a 5mg daily. What you want is dutasteride, as your follicular DHT does scale with how much of that drug you take.

>>18738441
First day back taking Vyvanse after a 3 break while taking 1mg of Fin for 3 weeks. And I feel the head itches already. Fucking hell man I finally built up the courage to take Finasteride, and it probably won’t even help me. Will Minoxidil offset this at all? Now I genuinely feel hopeless.

>>18738442
>Will Minoxidil offset this at all?
Yes, min is non-specific and grows hair regardless of your cause of alopecia.

>>18738443
Alright man. Do you have any other advice? I’ll try anything even if it sounds crazy. This itchy scalp is giving me awful PTSD… I feel miserable.

>>18738414
Thank god, I really don't want to become a werewolf

>>18738436
Are you maybe allergic to those drugs?

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Topical minox's leaflet says not to mix with retinoids and not to expose your scalp to the sun.
Do you ignore those? I am a firm believer in the healing power of the sun, and in slathering my face with retinol twice a day before moisturizing.

3.5 months on fin (1mg EOD). No response yet, but no sides I guess. I know i'll need minoxidil too but was hoping to see some mild response first.

>>18739245
Why would you expect any results? Your DHT levels are on a rollercoaster with your little EOD cheat.

At this point i'm convinced anything less than 0.5mg dut and 5mg oral min daily is NGMI-tier, basically everything short of blasting 8mg estrogen and transitioning to keep your hair.

>>18738861
No it’s not that. You can search it, there’s plenty of men who have experienced “unusual shedding” using ADHD medication. And not “stress shedding” but actual temple shedding.


As soon as it kicks in, little itchy spots all over my head. These are my follicles shrinking right?

Is it weird that people who take dut they dont respond to it
Like most guys who were on fin and switch to dut always see their hair worsening

>>18739361
No, there is no itching or redness associatd with miniaturization of follicles in absence of seborrheic dermatitis.

>>18739532
It's almost always 1 of 2 things.
1)Switching to the more potent dut causes an initial shed all over again making hair appear worse
2)Switching without tapering off of fin while building up dut in your system will cause fin gains to be lost and not be maintained by dut. In theory this shouldn't happen as DHT levels should be even lower but I've seen a lot of anecdotes of people getting absolutely wrecked, could just be 1) though.

>>18739361
Itchy spots are such a common allergic response. You may want to explore that further with your doctor. You have one right, these aren't black market pills?

>>18739681
you can do the scratch allergy test at home you don't need a doctor for that

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>>18735049
anyone with high blood pressure taking minoxidil? how did it affect you?

>>18739730
Topical won't affect your blood pressure. Low dose oral in the 2.5-5mg range will have minimal effect on your blood pressure and cardiovascular health. You could always be an outlier so it's best to start at the lowest possible dose and work your way up, monitoring your symptoms and paying attention to any changes. Consult with your doctor first because of your underlying condition.

Where can I buy oral minoxidil without prescription? In my country I can only find topical and that shit wont work

>>18739829
From the OP
>Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.
The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.
There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.

>>18739832
so just drinking topical?

>>18739841
more like putting drops into a shot glass and chasing with water, it's very concentrated

>>18739841
Yes be sure to measure your dropper as some of them are different specs to the OP info.
Fill it up to the 1ml line with liquid and count how many drops it takes to empty the dropper completely. If you get high 30s to low 40s then each drop is roughly 0.025ml of liquid and 1.25mg of minoxidil.
You can calculate it yourself by dividing 50 (50mg of minoxidil in 1ml of 5% solution) by the amount of drops contained in your dropper on average. Eg. 50 / 40 drops = 1.25mg per drop, if your dropper only contains 20 drops then you that would equal 2.5mg per drop and so on.
You want to take between 2.5mg and 5mg a day.

>>18739851
Also be sure to discard the liquid after ~6 months to a year as the constant exposure to oxygen will cause it to go bad. Alternatively you can fill several smaller containers with a 3 month supply and go through them one at a time without opening the other containers and exposing them to daily oxygen. Be aware of the general expiry date on the liquid too, normally it doesn't exceed 2 years even if kept sealed.

>>18739832
>>18739842
>>18739851
should I be licking my fingers after applying topical to hairmaxx?

>>18740003
Yeah you should but something tells me you were too scared to even attempt conventional oral min

>>18740011
hair anywhere other than the top of your head is unaesthetic, it is sadly ironic that it has to be the one spot in the body that goes bald

>>18740014
forgetting eyelashes and eyebrows
also pubes in women

>>18740014
I think having a good head of hair supersedes any unwanted growth.

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can i expect good results from taking 2mg oral min + topical min/fin once a day? doc wants me to take 3mgs of oral min and topical twice a day, but that shit's expensive

>>18740138
Yes

Month 1 on oral fin plus oral min
After the first 5 or so days I've felt totally fine

>>18740014
Imagine giving a shit. Id rather bodyhairmog sean connery and robin williams combined for nw1

I already body hair mog Robin Williams and I just started oral min
W-whats going to happen to me

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>>18740379
You can't exactly grow hair from nothing, there has to be a follicle to stimulate. If you've already nearly maxxed out the human capacity for hair the most you can do is thicken and darken what already exists.

what if you boofed a few drops of topical minoxidil

>>18740492
You're not clever. Go be insecure elsewhere.

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Got immediate brainfog from oral fin as well, moderately less than dut so oh well. It's immediate start means it's neurosteroid related rather than anything to do with DHT.

I've read a lot of people who got early brainfog and many said it cleared up within 2-12 weeks so i guess i just have to suffer with it and see if it goes away. Fuck my 22 year old norwood 3 life, how realistic is it just to wear a medium length wig with a fringe everyday

>>18740502
I get wearing a wig is embarrassing supposedly, but like im super fit and toned, and fashionable as well so isn't this just an extension of maintaining myself, i might be coping idk fuck this

>>18740502
>>18740505
maybe see if the side effects go away but wear a wig if it makes you happy. it should outweigh any negative response people might have towards it

>>18740502
With 3 at 22, even if you're exaggerating the numbers, any doctor should take your case seriously. You don't have to lurk in the shadows using telemedicine hacks like the 35yo Boomers ITT trying to hold on to their youth or the looksmaxxers. If you have socialized healthcare go to your family doctor and ask him to refer you to a dermatologist, or google the phone number for dermatology consultations and call them directly.

>>18740502
I love how confidently retards admit that they’re suffering from a nocebo in this general.

>>18740592
It's not a nocebo at all, fin/dut immediately disturbs neurosteroid production. When I first suffered brainfog on dut I was not aware that the medication could cause brainfog, so it couldn't possibly be nocebo

The reality is these drugs do disturb parts of your bodily chemistry that relate to your brain and thinking, and not all of us are lucky to not have consciously noticeable effects

>>18740804
>The reality is these drugs do disturb parts of your bodily chemistry that relate to your brain and thinking
Really how so? Do you have any information related to the mechanism which causes this relating to a 1mg dose? Affirming the consequent is not a valid argument in medicine. Thankfully you had an extensive physical and mental health exam done to rule out any other possible explanation for the vaguest side effect in history.

>>18740925
You are an absurdly snarky faggot, the medical reason for why this happens is known, and there are plenty of self reports, psychological effects from fin/dut are well understood and catalogued.

You can't wipe reality away with the word ''nocebo'' on loop, especially when the person suffering the effect was not aware of the relation between the medicine and the effect beforehand

>>18741163
You are severely mentally ill. Listen to yourself. Are the sides in the room with us now?

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what does /balding/ think about selfmaxxer?
reversed his hair loss without the use of fin,dut or min and all thanks to the power of the SUN!!! and raw eggs

>>18741411
He’s obviously lying because his ‘methods’ don’t do shit for classic pattern hair loss which is what he has.

>>18741411
he looks more like a thinkmaxxer

Why am I shedding from my temples on Vyvanse? No answers online at all for fuck sake

>>18741643
By the way this is extremely thin temple hair that’s falling out. The rest of my hair which is much thicker isn’t falling out.

Not gonna lie kinda your fault for thinking a drug could fix being a lazy piece of shit? just my honest opinion

>>18735049
i'm going to start topical min+fin but that shit is expensive. over $100 a month in Canada. Can I maximize my results by using the gel every day for a year, and then cut costs by applying it every other day? Will it fuck up my hair or mess with my hormones to have so many disruptions?
also i'm getting my fill from Essential Clinic, are there any cheaper options for topical solutions in Canada?

>>18742096
Just take the generic fin pill bro. Topical fin and compounded topicals are not worth the premium for something that is literally pennies per pill

Is it just me or does hair shed a lot more during summer?

>>18738399
That means you're a hyper responder

>>18742096
You could create your own solution. You will need 5mg pills as there is less filler in them. Crush them up, filter what you can and add it to generic topical minoxidil. You can use AI to help calculate the concentration of your solution. The problem with this is that it will leave a chalky residue on your hair due to being impossible for the layman to fully filter the solution. If you wont consider just taking it orally this would be the only way and it really isn't ideal.

i read somewhere that baldness is related to skull shape. my skull is wide on the sides and flat on top. i'm 23 and the only non-bald man in my family. it might also be due to me having a prenatal low T. my index finger is a little longer. when I look at my bald male relatives, their ring fingers are much longer and they have a strange bump on top of their skulls lol.

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basically 4 months into 2.5mg oral min and nothing, nadda, zilch
same shit with 5% min and I even went up to 15% and used microneedling and tret to boost effects, nothing

Gonna try 5mg in 2 months but I am pretty sure at this point I am one of those unlucky few people that will just never get any kind of reaction from the drug, I'm too cooked biologically to effectively absorb it or something

>>18742531
On the other hand, I am (relatively speaking) lucky enough to have had a 6k graft transplant recently, so should see big gains in a year, and I have another 3k grafts remaining to harvest, so I'm one of the weird few who has majorly advanced balding (that I've halted for over a decade now) but also plenty of donor hair, enough to get over 9k grafts out of it and basically totally rejuv the top of my scalp, hairline and all (nw6->nw1)

what a weird world we live in

>>18742531
With aggressive enough miniaturization minoxidil would at most hold off further loss from becoming apparent temporarily. Are you taking fin or dut or rawdogging the min?

>>18742544
taking duta, and it's diffuse with tons of still visible miniaturized hairs

>>18742549
If you don't see results from dut + 5mg oral min its almost certainly not male pattern baldness

>>18742531
could it be alopecia areata incognita? reading that additional treatment would be required as compared to normal thinning

>>18742531
It's either something different to AGA or you just have extremely cursed genetics

>>18742672
>>18742560
>>18742550
sometimes drugs just don't respond, it doesn't mean it's an autoimmune condition lol

>>18742695
my dad is balding, my uncle is balding, my other uncle is long bald, my grandfather was balding, my other uncle is also balding, my mom is slightly balding, only my grandpa on my mom's side is the only one who kept a head of thick air into old age and looked like Stalin lol
99.9% it's genetic

>>18739094
>retinol
>sun exposure without sunscreen (presumably)
enjoy your super-accelerated aging, retard

>>18736230
>I'm just worried about the shed
Don't. I've been on fin for like 4 months now and haven't dealt with any shedding. I was experiencing shedding before which is why i started it in the first place.

>>18737177
>maybe in crazy though

>>18742695
What are you talking about that is not how human biology works. There is no immunity to drugs variable. If there is no response to blocking 90%-95% DHT combined with a powerful growth stimulant then it should be obvious that the cause of the hair loss is not related to DHT and MPB. There are many causes for hair loss, it is not always an autoimmune condition if it isn't MPB.
The medication may be counterfeit or has expired or the OP is not consistently taking it as directed.

I have fashioned myself a pencil moustache to draw the eye away from my decrepit hairline.

>>18742779
>everyone who doesn't regrow hair on dut has an autoimmune condition

>>18743203
You are a moron please just stop

>>18743057
I'm going with no guard neck+3mm sides+medium van dyke (haven'd decided how long yet)
gotta sleazemaxx

>>18743218
I'm aiming for an Errol Flynn/Howard Hughes. I think it's an interesting enough moustache these days that it may draw the eye away from the ever-tightening grip of the Norwood reaper long enough for me to win them over with my charm and personality.

Okay I am starting to freak out here...
I don't remember if i applied my topical fin min spray, and I don't want to overdose so im not sure if i should apply again, but if I didn't i don't want to suffer from post finasteride syndrome for having missed an application. Any advice??

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Think its too late for me gang, should I just commit to the full shave when I get my hair cut in two days?

>>18743430
What have you tried so far? It is not over for you

>>18743433
Very half heartedly tried Hims topical spray, I feel like even when I brush a path it ends up moreso on my hair than scalp :/

>>18743435
Get oral perscriptions its cheaper and more effective. Topicals are overpriced targeted at people with severe medical anxiety.

>>18737313
how effective is 1mg fin + topical min + E monotherapy?

>>18740589
NTA and maybe in a slightly worse boat but no, my family doctor didnt give a shit lmao. is there anything wrong with telehealth stuff though? from what i know min and fin/dut are the only "proven" ways to fight this and except dut everything should be easily attainable online, right? why wait months for an dermatology appointment when i could get meds this week?

>>18743057
Got a good number of curious looks today while out shopping. Not excessive, not 0.

>>18743604
ups didnt mean to link to you

>>18743407
PFS is a literal meme. It doesnt exist. And you're not going to "overdose" from 2 doses of topical fin. Some people take 5mg fin daily with no issues (probably the equivalent of 20 doses of topical fin). Anyway, you should be on the pill and stop being a coward.

>>18743430
Step 1: Shave it bald. You seem to have a decent head shape so it won't look bad on you.
Step 2: Get on the highest dose of oral dutasteride you can get prescribed.
Step 3: Save money and get a transplant.
It's not over for you at all. You can recover and go back to a high density norwood 2 or 3. The transplant will be necessary though.

My doctor told me he doesn't recommend i keep taking fin because the hair loss isn't that bad.

>>18743719
he's insane, keep taking it. it will get "that bad" if you leave it untreated

>>18743719
What's his hair look like? I wanna see something.

>>18743430
your temples are completley intact it's just that you're a diffuse thinners this would be an easy transplant just do meds before anything.

>>18743609
There is nothing wrong with telemedicine, the majority of people get their hair loss meds this way as it doesn't require the humiliation ritual of begging a stubborn doctor in person, only to be denied.
Get a prescription for 1mg finasteride/day (sometimes prescribed in 5mg pills to be cut in quarters to cut costs)
Minoxidil is optional but highly recommended if your goal is to maximize hair regrowth rather than maintaining where you are now. Oral is superior though slightly more costly. Take 2.5-5mg for effective regrowth.

>>18743604
Don't mess with estrogen. You may see gains to your hair but almost certainly experience severe feminizing effects which cannot easily be reversed. Even if you're using a topical like spiro (it seriously sucks for suppressing DHT) you are just better off switching to dutasteride as it will provide greater anti-androgen effects than fit + E.

>>18743208
the irony here... exquisite

>>18744000
Then please explain the biological reason his hair does not respond to 95% DHT suppression in conjunction with powerful hair growth stimulants topically and orally, doctor.
>some people are just immune to drugs because god made them special
That's literally you, straight out of the trailer park.

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>>18735049
Okay, okay, fine, what is the cheapest oral minox? All of the shit I see on the internet is like 80 dollars.

>>18744058
Drops of topical

>>18735049
the /fa/ mods a pharma shill btw

>>18743761
His hair is pretty bad. Definitely just attempted sabotage.

Got my prescription but havent gotten the meds yet but ngl it's been really hard on my mental constantly seeing hairs everywhere. my desk is white and everytime I look down I find new fallen hairs, not to mention that just running my hand over my hair drags a bunch of them

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I've been on dut for 2 months now and my hair seems to have only gotten worse. I thought it was supposed to help but it doesnt? I'm going crazy

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i was at a dermatologist to ask if i could switch from fin to dut, first he said
>fin is not a medication for hairloss its for the prostate
when i said 1mg is actually approved hairloss medication he threw a hissyfit and told me i have an "attitude problem" then he said he never reccomends anyone fin or dut because they
>"change hormones and give permanent side-effects"

>>18744417
Most people shed their miniaturized hairs when initially getting on treatment, its pretty much the nature of treating hair loss. They will grow back in thicker and probably shed again, don't expect results until at minimum 6 months, ideally a year+.

>>18744430
Whats his hair status?

>>18744439
he had full head of hair

>>18744440
Interesting, a rarely encountered gatekeeper.

>>18744442
Or perhaps a wig.. I could see that being even more plausible.

>>18740502
Just switch to topical and do like a 10th of the recomended dose. Doesn't have noticable systemic effects.

>>18744430
>no meds prescribed
>money stolen
why is this allowed

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I drink two drops in the morning, I drink two drops at night
I drink two drops in the afternoon, it makes me feel alright
I drink two drops in time of peace, and two in time of war
I drink two drops before I drink two drops, and then I drink two more

>>18744430
Online clinics are the solution to the faggot-doctor problem. They only exist to generate prescriptions and give you exactly what you want.

>>18744532
lel based

>>18744430
you got some shitty biotin supplements at least?

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>>18735060
new meme

4 months on fin no response
might as well hop on min now

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How about them 100% tariffs on generic pharmaceuticals in 2028?

>>18745533
>new trump policy
>look inside
>benefits only jewish billionaires, to the detriment of everyone else
Thank you, Trump. You truly are the savior of this nation.

>>18745533
luckily my generic dut is made in america

Is no longer enjoying cumming a side effect of fin? Everything else is fine, I get big raging hard erections and get a ton of boners throughout the day. I leak a ton of precum. I enjoy sex/jacking off a lot too. But when it comes to actually nutting it's just a meh feeling instead of pure orgasmic ecstasy like it used to. Honestly it started a couple months after I got a gf. I have no explanation for this honestly.

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How fixable is this?

>>18745790
Sounds more like a psychological thing if everything else is working as intended. Sometimes you gotta take a break nigga

>>18745798
Not bad, diffuse thinning cases tend to have remarkable response to treatment.

hey chooms, how much minoxidil should I use if I'm mainly lacking in the temples? So far, I've been using 0.5 ml of topical min on the temples daily (with 1mg fin of course). I can't tolerate oral min because of chest pains, so I was wondering if this was adequate to stimulate growth

>>18746166
Quantity doesn't matter, saturation of the follicles is enough for maximum benefit without factoring in systemic absorption, which you say gives you chest pain so less is more in your case. 0.5ml sounds excessive for the temple region only, I imagine you are wasting a lot with run-off.

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>>18743430
You should try smiling. It'll do more good for your appearance than all the hair loss treatments combined.

I saw I need a prescription to order fin online.
Best way to go about getting prescribed?

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I'm 21. I used to have long hair, but few months ago I realized that I'm balding and started using dut, but it was probably too late. Now I have this on my head. Temples have thinned out and it seems that the top did too. How bad is it? NW 3? Is it reversible?

>>18746378
Classic NW2. Your bigger concern is the vertex thinning. The latter should be easy enough to see huge improvements, the hairline tends to be a lot more difficult but your hairline isn't bad to be begin with.

>>18746296
Telehealth service. Plenty of options if you live in the US. Drop another reply if you can't figure it out and I'll try my best to walk you through for your country

>>18746378
Your hairline is standard for white dudes in their 20s. It's impossible to reverse your hairline to juvenile status without a transplant. But the dut will stop further loss. Get in minox+tretinoin for more gains.

i quake for the hairlets. my jeet coworker had hair transplant because hes jealous of my superior hair genes. im going to get a buzz right now just to show him how fast i can grow my hair back to shoulder length which should take less than a year.

>>18746510
Tempting fate can sometimes really sting you later on

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Top is last September, bottom is today. 1 mg finasteride daily + topical minoxidil twice a day religiously, also dermarolling once a week for most of it.

Doesn't seem like a whole lot of anything.

>>18746659
I see some regrowth, and zero additionally loss. You want better results? Get a transplant.

>>18746661
Eh, I'll take it. Looking like I'm 16 was never the goal, just want to avoid the first impression being "that guy is balding".

I'm hoping it'll look a bit better when/if the short hairs at the hairline get to a similar length as the rest of them.

>>18746659
Topical minoxidil either works wonders or does little to nothing, based on your regimen we can safely say you fall into the latter. Best switch to oral min for your full potential.

>>18746659
Add tretinoin for better results from minox. Works better than microneedling.

>>18746694
Thanks. I have tretinoin for other skin conditions already, but applying it near the hairline just made it very irritated and itchy. For the rest of my face this passed, but the hairline never responded well.

>>18746691
Maybe I should try it. My dermatologist was not super keen to prescribe minoxidil. Topical is available without prescription. Following >>18735051 I guess I might as well just take a drop of Rogaine orally.

I have 3k grafts left to spend but have a nw2 hairline and slightly but visibly thinned crown

Should I spend the majority of those grafts to get a true nw1 hairline or should I pack the crown instead?

what is going to result in the biggest aesthetic boost?

>>18746695
2 drops is equivalent to twice a day topical. There's no point continuing with topical with how easy it is to match and even exceed the effectiveness of topical, just a waste of money. Start slow and expect a shed if you didn't experience one on the topical.

>>18746706
The crown is most responsive to minoxidil. Have you tried that?

>>18746695
>it near the hairline just made it very irritated and itchy
Have you tried applying it only once or twice per week? Do you protect the hairline with sunscreen afterwards? This might fix the irritation.

>>18746714
yeah let's say I've maxed out the meds route

Started noticing a lot more hair loss in the shower over the past couple months. Gonna try a fin/min spray and see what happens. Looked at some old pics of me and I don't think my hairline has really receded but it's definitely gotten thinner, I'd like to get that thickness back

Bros, finasteride or dutasteride? I'm taking minoxidil already. Also I don't want anything that makes my hair fall first then regrow later, I have a long mane and I can't risk it, a slow and steady approach is much preferred.

>>18739842
>>18739851
seems like a hassle to measure, but its worth a shot if it can fix my hair, at least i can take it without having to wait for my hair to dry

>>18746890
and also help me finish growing my beard since topical was working too slow there

>>18746835
Dutasteride 0.5mg daily. Don't be scared of the shed, it's not that bad. It's diffuse shedding, so your "mane" will just get a little thinner. It's not gonna fall off completely.

>>18746890
You only need to do so once to figure out the capacity of your dropper. If you have the standard one that comes with Kirkland brand then you can skip this and just assume the standard ~40 drop capacity or 1.25mg per drop.

>>18746835
Opposed to losing it forever lol

can someone give me a definitive answer on how to judge your own hair?
for example: sometimes i see my hair in a public bathroom with harsh light from top or front and i see my scalp through, but then there is a juvenile next to me and i can see his scalp too. it's obviously from the lighting i would say.
now, do i judge my hair in normal light, or bad light, or wet/dry, kempt/unkempt?

>>18747017
I had one but I threw it into the trash like a year ago because I started using an atomizer

>>18747122
wet hair is the easiest way, it eliminates any variables caused by wavy or frizzy hair volume, even when it's wet you shouldn't see wide gaps in your natural hair parting, you shouldn't be able to see skin anywhere but the crown and natural hair part.

>>18747152
I tried finding atomizers that can reliably dose out 0.2ml of liquid and this is apparently too much to ask for, also how do you prevent them from getting clogged?
Liquid minoxidil turns into a nasty yellow crud when it dries.

I just bought a random glass dropper bottle. Turns out to be pretty exactly 33 drops per 1 ml. Bit of a pain in the dick number but I'll just start with 1 drop and move up to 2 if I don't feel like death.

>>18747174
As long as you don't exceed high double digit milligrams in a single dose you have nothing to worry about, people take 40mg for blood pressure. Hair loss dosage is perfectly safe and a fraction of that.

>>18735049
the norwood reaper has come for me and i've resigned myself to growing my hair to shoulder length, then man bunning it up on top of my head. i look like a tool, but i don't look bald.

I cant believe i had been sleeping on finasteride all this time. I really fell for the crab in bucket baldcel doomers. Fuck i cant believe they got to me. Oh well, my hairline is filling back in and my hairs getting thicker. It sucks being dependent on a company and drug for that, but it's definitely worth it and better than the alternative. I give thanks to the knowledgeable people here putting those baldcels in their place. Keep fighting the good fight and saving men's hair!

I'm considering stopping the meds. As far as I can tell, toupee technology has gotten pretty good, and the kinda girl I want to be with would probably find it hilarious when I did reveal it to her and give me a cuddle.

Norwood 4 here in my early 40s, will fin/min take me back to a Norwood 1 or 2

>>18747417
No, would require a transplant almost certainly. Best case scenario is a full norwood reversed, thickening of the hair behind the hairline and preventing further loss. Your hair will improve, sometimes drastically but more importantly it won't get any worse than it currently is.
Stop it where it is, improve the overall quality and potentially get a transplant later or just be forever locked into a receded hairline that doesn't get worse. That is what you are realistically looking at, better than being bald in my opinion.

anyone try saw palmatto?

>>18747520
You will never cheat the need for fin with herbal snake oil remedies.

>>18747417
People have experienced miraculous recoveries before. You have to get on 5ar inhibs and minox for the miracle so just start now

Can thinning be reversed with fin?

Using deep research AI models I couldn't find any evidence of a post finasteride syndrome type movement in Japan or South Korea despite dutasteride being prolific there. Makes me think

>>18747605
i like to think south koreans are less likely to complain about this stuff, they literally get plastic surgery just to put themselves on an even playing field to get a job

>>18747588
Yes easily

>>18747605
They don't have sex anyways and their entire culture around youth and appearance is fucked harder than six trillion psyops could ever achieve so no wonder.

>>18747605
no one outside of United States ever reported permanent side effects after taking finasteride, it's basically a way to win money from lawsuits or hipochondria
sides are obviously more common than the 1% number everyone on hair loss forums parrots but there's 0 evidence of then being permanent

>>18747614
I've noticed research done in India has lower percentage of side effects than research done in the west. Probably for similar reasons, hair is super important there (there are even Indian movies about guys who became social rejects because of baldness)

Started fin and min yesterday and a couple of hours later felt some pain in my balls. Today I woke up and felt it more. Am I gonna make it? I really dont want to go bald man

>>18747930
Yeah that's normal for fin when you first start. It should go away completely in a month or so

>>18747930
this guy ( >>18747993 ) is lying to you. The ball pain is unrelated and you're probably overthinking. The ball pain has nothing to do with fin or min. Min can cause chest pain because of the cardiovascular effects though.

>>18747995
What lol. Testicular pain/ache is a recognized side effect from the clinical trials occurring in 1% of people. Why would you introduce the idea of more sides to someone, complete retard stop posting.

>>18747813
Could be it is partly at least a mental contagion and people who hardly interact with online English speakers don't catch it

>>18748000
>self-reported mistery ache in 1% of patients
lol that means the side effect is not real. They're imagining it.

I'm the guy with ball pain. I had some burning peeing today but I assume that's just the nerves, same with my weird erections. Although last night I wasnt thinking about it and it was kinda flacid. I contacted my derm and he said it unexpected but he told me to keep taking it for a couple more weeks and if it persists I should cut it and only do min

>>18748047
Its just your body adjusting to an initial hormonal shift, notably excess free flowing test (since it is being blocked from converting into DHT) converting into higher levels of estrogen instead. Both levels are elevated initially and your body needs time to adjust and regulate the hormones. Some get the ball ache, some get it in the nipples. Personally I experienced both, took 3 months of it gradually lessening until going away completely.

>>18748060
I really want it to work, but I trust my derm. My hair is pretty fine and will probably be good on just minox for a year. If after a month things remain the same I'll just cut fin like he said

>>18735049
>DHT, a byproduct of testosterone that serves no purpose after puberty but to choke out your hair follicles and make them thin out and die in a few short years
This guy is trying to turn you into a tranny.

DHT is the most sex-related hormone for men, even more than T. It determines penis size, ability to get erections, and directs neurological development in your brain related to mating (IE makes you not gay). It also has a bunch of other effects like facial hair and making your face more masculine.

Just shave your shit and stay a man.

>>18748080
Post your horseshoe.

>>18748080
I took one finasteride 1mg EOD for only 5 months and ended up feeling gay impulses for the first time. Shit was like OCD and kept going after I stopped. Ended up having gay sex for several years before a family/religious intervention

Took almost 4 months of 1.2mg fin to hit zero libido and zero erections. The corners did fill in pretty nicely tho. I definitely have some gains and no shedding right now.
Right now I want an exit. Lack of libido, erections, sex is a real killjoy. I almost would rather have the thinning. Can I ween off the fin and eventually switch to nizoral?

>>18748072
No you won't. Minoxidil is a temporary fix at very best without treating the root cause. When your shit is absolutely wrecked in a couple years you will crawl back to fin at all costs starting at a way worse position had you just stayed on. Many such cases.

>>18748100
Many causes for that which are unrelated to fin. Take multi vitamins and supplement vitamin d if you don't get a lot of sun, exercise regularly, don't be fat. If it doesn't work get blood work done and see if you have any hormonal issues or difficiencies. Don't jump to conclusions and lose your hair over what could be an easy fix.

>>18748072
Don't fucking stop fin. Nothing can replace a 5ar inhibitor.

>>18748080
>>18748096
crab bucket baldoids should just commit suicide

>>18748080
Cope. Lol.

>>18748130
My guy, my balls hurt all day. I'm not going to put up with this shit for 4 months or half a year. If it kills my dick and my balls it's not worth it

>>18748167
An ache which gradually lessens into nothing (maybe once a week you'll notice it after a month) is not half a year of "killing" your dick. Don't be such a diva, it's that or go fucking bald for LIFE where you become a bitter, sexless weirdo fear mongering other guys out of the solution.

>>18748169
I felt like shit all day, I think my semen is watery, my balls hurt and honestly I think my dick might not be as great. I will give it one month. After that I'm coming off it. I'd rather go to the gym, lose weight and go bald. Im quite tall, can grow a beard and don't need the hair at the expense of sex drive

>>18748174
You're fat?

>>18748180
A bit yea. not obese

>>18748180
>a complete 180 in my lifestyle, tantamount to being tortured in the form of extremely painful workouts every day for the rest of my life because I couldn't deal with an extremely well tolerated medication for everyone else but me
Stop being so dramatic it will get better, you're probably making it worse by thinking about it all the damn time.

>>18748186
Meant for
>>18748174

>>18748186
>for everyone else but me
People with sides exist. Just because the number is low doesnt make them irrelevant. I'll take my derm's word over the one of a random on the Internet because taking medical advice from people online is what Facebook retards do. I also love how I said I'd give it a month, and you equated that to meaning that I was gonna drop it now. Also i have to lose weight regardless, cant be a fat fuck forever and working out isnt bad and will make me look much better than some fatass with hair.

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>>18748190
>Also i have to lose weight regardless, cant be a fat fuck forever and working out isnt bad and will make me look much better than some fatass with hair.
debatable...
>I'll take my derm's word over the one of a random on the Internet because taking medical advice from people online is what Facebook retards do
What makes your derm that much more qualified? They have access to the same information as us. We are far more invested into treating this singular aspect of hair loss than your derm who covers a vast spectrum of disorders. Not saying I or anyone else is more qualified but some of us have many years of experience dealing with this.

>>18748196
My guy I'm not a low iq retard that you can just fearmonger into taking a drug that hurts him. You can post all the retarded pictures you want of weird bald uncarismatic manlets. It aint me and it sure as fuck isnt making me want to keep hurting my balls.
>What makes your derm that much more qualified?
For starters he's an actual tricologist he hosts massive international forums to talk about the topic, he has decades of experience, he an actual doctor, etc

>>18748196
Also, again, I'll gladly keep taking fin if the sides disappear. But if a month from now my balls keep hurting like shit i'm gonna follow my doctor's advice and hop off

>>18748200
I mean to be fair past the point of being diagnosed with MPB there really isn't anything supplementary a doctor can do for you that those actively treating it themselves can't tell you. Also telling you to drop fin without mentioning topicals or adjusting your dosage isn't very thorough, maybe he is not as well read on the subject as you believe.

>>18748208
As for the topicals I'm sure it's because that would require you to seek an alternative clinic 99.9% that would be telehealth as there are no FDA approved topical finasteride solutions available from your standard pharmacy without formulating it themselves. Once you explore alternatives you or your insurance stop paying him for visits = not good for business.

>>18748208
First Im not in the US and second he did tell me about topicals before when I told him about possible sides. I also only visit him once a year so he clearly isn't trying to squeeze me dry

>>18748210
Wait *you* told him about the potential side effects before he gave you fin? Are you familiar with "nocebo" and how detrimental that can be? Also why the aversion to topical if it would solve the issue?

>>18748212
I am familar with nocebo yeah and he also told me it could be that. I do know however that the pain I have been feeling in my balls all day is most definitely real. Again, you're talking like I'm gonna give up on it tomorrow when in reality I'm gonna keep taking it

>>18748212
Because using topical sucks. Why would I want to splatter something on my head idk how many times a day when I can take a pill.

>>18748230
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5754642/

>The anticipation of forthcoming painful stimulation makes healthy study participants perceive non-painful and low-painful stimulations as painful and high-painful, respectively. Verbally-induced nocebo effects are as strong as those induced through actual exposure to high pain

This general gets real active during euro hours. Damn..

>>18748234
Thanks for that, and I know you're trying to help but it's been like this all day

>>18748186
>being tortured in the form of extremely painful workouts
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
I'm so happy to live in a world with weak cowardly faggots like you. I feel so much better about myself after reading that gay ass shit anon thank you
(im on dutasteride and jacked btw)

>>18748377
What does your ability to perform repetitive tasks on a giant machine like some sort of physical prisoner have to do with strength and cowardice lol. Furthermore it is certainly torture for someone who previously had no interest in such things, forced to as a means of offsetting a bald head.

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>>18748456
lol u hate physical exertion. weak and gay