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The Fragrance Flowchart for Beginners

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>sotd: Dolce&Gabbana pour Homme
brought it on a trip after it was mentioned last thread. still great, still not feeling much after 2 hours. bottle is almost empty, I hope the newer batches last longer than this one.

>>18755557
The goal is to find that one scent you can always use. But it's hard. I feel like you need two minimum for different circumstances. Search continues.

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Hey /frag/
Reporting back from the Dior House Sauvage Extrait launch event in Sydney that I'd been invited to.
They really went all out on it, rented a bar and transformed it into a Dior Sauvage themed experience. Got a haircut, hair styling and grooming. Then afterwards they take you upstairs for a one on one sitdown Sauvage sampling session, including the new Extrait. After which, finally you reach the bar area where they had complimentary canapes, deserts, drinks and Sauvage themed cocktails. Very atmospheric, low light. Gotta say, I wasn't sure what to expect, but it was really enjoyable, lads.

Sprayed on and properly sampled the Extrait and actually pretty impressed with it. After so many catastrophic misses with Kurkdjian at the helm, this one is legitimately a banger. Planning on copping a bottle soon.

Some quick thoughts:

>Very dry, woody, resinous, rich
>Nowhere near as much sweetness as the Elixir, which surprised me, as i was expecting some syrupy sloppa
>Doesn't aggressively project, but 8hrs later now, it's still evident within arms length
>Smooth non animalic oud, mixed with cedar and vetiver
>Citrus is there, but more like dry rind
>Honestly quite different from the main three Sauvage releases. Most similar to Elixir, but goes in a different direction with that dry oud and cedar.
>Distinct lack of spices is refreshing

Legitimately fucken good m8s. Really accessible oud scent for western audiences too. Perhaps if it sells really well, I can see other designers pushing an oud/masculine woody trend.

>>18755586
>Legitimately fucken good
>Really accessible oud scent for western audiences
you can only choose one

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>>18755586

>>18755588
It isn't stinky or particularly pungent as far as ouds go, but it's more present than other orientalist fragrances masquerading as oud.

>>18755589
Were you allowed to smell some of the raw ingredients?

>>18755555
>Sometimes I don't understand why most fragrances never list down their notes on their boxes.
One of the reasons is that reformulations change notes too often. I can also speculate that consumers might become irate if they don't smell the listed note. Notes are really meaningless and just used for advertising. The less you focus on notes the better off you will be.

Should I get any of the Drakkar Noir flankers?

>>18755586
They turned the new Sausage into a niche slop with little wearability or mass appeal. I can't see it selling particularly well, maybe a bit better than the Eau Forte.

>>18755586
Buy an ad, Francis.

Man /frag/ used to be so amazing now it's a bunch of zoomers who know fuckall about fragrance. FUCK OFF COMPLETELY.

Looking for a smooth, pleasant, restrained tobacco frag. Nothing harsh or strong, nothing overly sweet. What can you guys recommend?

>>18755625
>A bit better than the Eau Forte
>A bit
Eau Forte was a fucking disaster, pretty sure anything in their lineup would vastly outsell it

>>18755586
>this one is legitimately a banger.
ignored

>>18755643
>Millennial pretends to be an oldfag to flex on zoomies
Dire

>>18755649
Is that what everything is about to you zoom zooms? Flexing? I just want quality /frag/ threads again

>>18755652
It’s better than it was 6-12 months ago. There are a few specific posters who thankfully post much less often now.

Bought 3 frags half a year ago, they sucked, but the seller didn't want to refund. After failing to sell it, then sitting in a box for months, I went out the yard and sprayed them out from top to bottom, then threw the glasses out. Too bad about the money, I'll say I gambled it away, which is close to the truth.
Don't blind buy if you don't have the knack to be a ((merchant)).

>>18755655
The calone mutt comes to mind, but maybe his AI sub just ran out or something

>>18755657
Your first mistake was not embarking on the path of the samplefag

>>18755643
fuck off

>>18755644
rogue tabac vert

>>18755657
And you're not going to tell us which fragrances they were? You are truly a faggot.

>>18755652
So what constitutes quality in a /frag/ thread to you, if not discussion of fragrances?

inb4
>muh superior taste
>the discussion is only good if it agrees with my personal viewpoint

>>18755668
>So what constitutes quality in a /frag/ thread
Not being a faggot, which is where u fail fgt

Speaking of Rogue, anyone else dislike Targhee Forest and Chypre Siam? They're the only two in his whole lineup that were a disappointment for me after sampling. Ended up getting full bottles of BM and MI, pure 10/10s

>>18755675
imo Chypre Siam is very good but Targhee Forest is just okay

>>18755674
You're the only one currently shitting up the thread, dickhead. Shut the fuck up, or post your top 5 fragrances

>>18755675
Are we supposed to know what "BM" and "MI" is or something, you stupid faggot? Speak ENGLISH. LEARN COMMUNICATION SKILLS YOU LETHARGIC AUTISTIC FUCK.

>>18755679
1.Cool Water by Davidoff
2.Kouros
3.Eau Savage
4.Encre Noir Sport
5.Synthetic Nature by Fredric Malle

Who /respray/ chads here

Morning: Pour Monsieur EdT
After lunch: Pour Monsieur EdT
Back home from work early because it's Friday: Eau Basilic Poupre

>>18755680
>Are we supposed to know what "BM" and "MI" is or something, you stupid faggot?
lurk moar, newfren

>>18755680
Well done doing what I asked like a bitch, now fuck off.

>>18755684
>fuck off
FINE. I WILL! You'll never see me in these threads again ;_;
Bye.

>>18755682
Or u can tell me wtf it is without being a little pretend elitist BITCH

>>18755620
Get all of them

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>>18755685
The beautiful schizo nature of 4chan threads lends to the possibility that the same two anons who are ready to skin one another alive in one thread, will also be the best of allies in another. That said, maybe also stop being a retard and people will react to you better.

>SOTN Masque Russian Tea
Feels comfy, man

>>18755686
yeah, maybe i could

Tell me if my thinking is wrong, but if you spend most of your time indoors, then even during the coldest of winter days you don't need a super strong frag.

>>18755703
You never need a super strong frag.

>>18755703
The irony is if you work and live mostly indoors, constantly being in ambient temperatures of 20C+, you can just continue wearing summer fragrances as if your heated office was Hawaii.

Vice versa in summertime with the ACs blasting.

>>18755680
>yes, you ignorant twat

>>18755644
Chergui

>>18755703
That's why I have 2 cold weather frags and like 10 that are more on the fresher side. Because I am rarely out for extended periods when it's cold.

>>18755733
I just feel like Cold Weather Fragrances smell better overall. Spices, tobacco, booze, all great Smells.

>sotd: 20 sprays of the most pungent oud out there, before a 8 hour flight

>>18755750
stop with the sissyspraying senpai

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Give me 3 reasons why a fragrance needs to last longer than 8 hours

>>18755771
1. it doesn't
2. ???
3. PROFIT!!!

>>18755771
Because I want to smell it on myself when I got to bed, it calms me

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Buying Antaeus on Chanel's store and paying $150 and getting a gay bag and some samples, versus buying on eBay for $120 and hoping it's not 80% full?

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>>18755776
>mfw when buying it at the airport for 100 eurobucks

>>18755750
I like to close my eyes and imagine I'm surrounded by 20 tons of ripe lemons soaked in vodka, much better than niggers. It's an upgrade worth sharing.

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l'eau d'issey is nice but a little too heavy on the citrus for my liking.. so I decided to layer it with just a tiny bit of sandalwood oil and now I feel like a perfume genius. It's beautiful.

>>18755776
>versus buying on eBay and getting a fake

>>18755777
Can buy if for 80$ at discounters here in EU usually

>>18755798
You guys have Chanel discounters in yuroland? They aren't nailed by surgical fashion airstrikes?

>>18755644
Burberry London is fine

>>18755776
>>18755797
This. Don't buy frags off ebay. Don't buy LV, Creed, or other massively duped frag bottles secondhand. It's so easy to refill them with dupes and sell near full price, especially since people sell empty bottles all the time for scammers to refill.

>>18755799
their older fragrances are often available in tester form from discounters

>>18755798
noice

Should I get YSL Kouros...

what are some good vetiver+rose frags?

>>18755811
I love Kouros.
It's a wonderfully refined scent once it settles and no other frag has gotten me as many compliments... but the opening is unpleasant and even quite offensive. Yes it really does smell like urinal cakes.

>>18755801
I'd hope that people aren't putting cheap clones in old man fragrances but I guess you're right, you never know.

>>18755811
Yes, it smells like my Greek family back in the 90s, I do not get any of the homosexual piss/toilet smell from it at all. It's more like sour flowers and musk and potpourri.

Which Prada frags are good from these?

Prada L'Homme Eau de Toilette
Prada Luna Rossa Carbon Eau de Toilette
Prada Luna Rossa Black Eau de Parfum
Prada Luna Rossa Ocean Eau de Toilette
Prada Paradigme Eau de Parfum

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What's the better grown adult frag?

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I only buy clones now. They're cheap and normies can't tell the difference.

>>18755826
Luna rossa black and L'homme are ok
I would rather buy Hermes personally

>>18755826
L'Homme is OK
Carbon is a worse BdC
Black is powdery and sweet mid
Haven't tried Ocean
Paradigme is trash

Go for L'Homme or maybe Black if you like powdery sweetness

>>18755834
Pour Monsieur but get the EdT unless you absolutely need the lavender/vanilla

>>18755774
just respray it then bro
>>18755776
you might get a sycamore sample which offsets the extra price

>>18755818
>>18755823
Fuck it. Getting it tomorrow asap. Thanks bros.

>>18755854
Only thing they have for samples are BdC exclusif which I don't care about, and Superleggra. Oh well.

>>18755855
I've found it as low as $60-70 a bottle from discounters. It also has a great bottle even in the new versions, it feels like ceramic.

>>18755834
Pour Monsieur, which is a fine chypre on the fresher side, but if you don't mind something a bit more sour Etruscan Water is the best chypre money can buy.
And before someone comes in with the memes, no, NYI isn't better by any stretch of the imagination, it's no more interesting, no more wearable, no higher quality and no better performing than EW, its only strength is that it's cheaper.

>>18755862
i wouldnt say NYI is better than EW, but they're both great frags worth having imo

>>18755867
i would tho but yeah, both of them are great and not that similar desu

How many samples do you own?

>>18755884
around 300? stopped counting desu

is Francesca Bianchi ourgirl?

>>18755885
Oh ok I don't even have 100... gotta keep it up
I needed an excuse to buy more

>>18755811
If you are not 100% sure, do not blind buy old ass frags, just simply don't. None of them are safe wears outside your room, strong pissy alcoholic gay waters made for an era dominated by smoke and fumes and to combat them. That doesn't mean you can't test smell them, just never blind buy stuff pre-2000.
>>18755826
Normal L'Homme is ok, rest is poop.
>>18755884
200-250 I believe
>>18755667
Versace L'Homme, Azzaro pour Homme and Ralph Lauren Polo Black. 2 antiquated piss bombs and the third with none of the notes listed but black pepper that was as faint as unpleasant.
Got some others in their boxes but at least those are tolerable.

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>>18755586
>Launch event
>for a frag that has been available at retailers for months
But why

I literally tried the Extrait at some Podunk mall like three weeks ago.

>>18755895
I have micro plastics in my brain. Who gives a shit anymore.

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>>18755894
>just never blind buy stuff pre-2000.
Explain to me why I blind bought Pour Lui, Eau Sauvage, Lapidus, Platinum Egoïste, and liked them all?

Do any of these compare to the old Dior Homme Parfum? Are they good?

Dior Homme Original, Dior Homme Intense, Dior Homme Parfum 2025

>>18755895
So I should spray on my chest instead?

>>18755906
Spray other people's necks

>>18755908
Using fragrance like pepper spray?

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I have picrel en route in the mail & I don't think I've ever been so excited for a fragrance before. Can't wait to smell like the villain at every holiday party later this year

>>18755910
Not exactly. You want to spray people who will stick around, so you can enjoy the scent without the adverse health effects.

>>18755798
>>18755802
Frankly, I call bullshit.

>>18755921
https://www.idealo.fr/prix/3301600/chanel-antaeus-eau-de-toilette.html#pricechart

>>18755884
Good lord, I’ve never even made an attempt to count. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was over 500.

>>18755887
I dunno about ourgirl, but her work is good if somewhat samey between compositions. I will admit I haven’t tried anything by her in quite some time though.

>>18755925
Hmmm, I seemingly stand corrected. Interesting.
Chanel is literally famous for shutting shit like this down because the idea of having their stuff “discounted” is anathema.

>>18755895
>I'm a cancer researcher
>Nurse pulls some shit off google scholar and calls it a day

>>18755896
Mainly because Australia always gets stuff literally months later than Europe or NA

>>18755895
Pretty obvious. Exposing your skin to dozens if not hundreds of different chemicals every single day for years is gonna have some negative side effects eventually.

>>18755906
Unironically yes

>>18755906
Spray your clavicles instead of your neck for the same effect projectionwise.

Never spray the front of your neck.

>>18755895
fragbros...

>>18755966
fraggots
it's over

>>18755643
Do you know Eugen?

>>18755814
I'm a fan of Vetyverio, but it has a good dose of citrus as well

>>18755906
Get out of the shower, rub some nonscented moisturizer on your collarbones, spray on there, wait a few minutes, put your shirt on

Either that or just do a whore's bath mist in the air and walk through it

>>18755973
>Get out of the shower, rub some nonscented moisturizer on your collarbones
I already do this so it's pretty easy then.

>>18755895
This is why IFRA exists and why perfumes are constantly getting reformulated.
Most perfumes today have significantly reduced risk of cancer and neurological/reproductive harm than even 20 years ago.

redpill me on chopard black incense malaki
should i get it if i already have a dupe of halfeti?

>>18755981
Oud Malaki is the one that's fairly similar to Halfeti. BIM smells more like Halfeti Leather than the original. It also kind of resembles Gucci Guilty Absolute, but it's way stronger. I'd say BIM is a fun scent but it's not subtle in the least, everyone will smell you.

>>18755981
>dupe of halfeti
which one

>>18755963
>Spray your clavicles instead of your neck for the same effect projectionwise.
Either your clavicles are exposed and you’re a woman or they’re covered by clothes?
>Never spray the front of your neck.
Why?

>>18755979
I’m gonna miss my musk xylene PRPH when it runs out. The new stuff isn’t bad but man it just isn’t as good.

>>18755988
>Why
Several reasons.
The skin specifically on the front of the neck is both thinner and has a lot more blood vessels, meaning absorption of topical products is much greater. There are also very little oil glands on the front of the neck, meaning perfumes will also maximally dry the skin there and contribute to aging it faster.
And thirdly, the lower part of the front neck is where the thyroid gland is.

Thus, the sides/back of the neck, if you must spray there, is much better for you. Even then, it's likely good to use a moisturiser if not already.

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I got both Hawas Ice and fire after all the videos I've seen saying they're elite and to me they're just not

Very juvenile and synthetic. Is it worth it to let them sit around an maturate for a 2-3 months or should I just cut my losses and sell them off?
Kinda peeved, I was expecting fresh greatness.

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>>18755992
I heard from a very reliable source that Ice is good. Why would he lie?

>>18755992
idk about fire but Ice is basically Invictus with more longevity.
Personally I don't care for the DNA, but its easy to wear.
You should let it jerk off for a month or two because that literally costs you nothing and you can decide from there.

>>18755986
rayhaan tiger

>>18755984
ok so i guess it wouldn't be redundant to own a halfeti dupe and BIM
how strong is the incense+smoke combo in BIM? that's the only reason it caught my attention

>>18755998
I thought so, I just ordered a bottle.
How is it?

>>18756002
smells good to me but i'm not familiar with the original so i can't say how close they are
after some months it developed a very sour note but i fixed it by shaking the bottle very vigorously every day for like 2-3 days
at that point i was already decided on selling the bottle because of the problem and i remembered that onlyfumes dude from youtube who said he fixed the pepper note in maison asrar thriller by leaving it on an orbital shaker for some time so i said fuck it, i might as well do the same and it fucking worked bro

>>18756004
Interesting fix, I’ll keep that in mind if I run into it. I thought common wisdom was not to shake your fragrances but it seems like there’s alleys exceptions to rules

>>18756007
>I thought common wisdom was not to shake your fragrances but it seems like there’s alleys exceptions to rules
it kinda makes sense from a chemical point of view because separation can occur and given how these middle eastern companies are not really using the best materials, it shouldn't be a surprise if it actually happens
i had the same problem with a very prominent sour note in maison alhambra's afro leather and it fixed it
it also fixed the projection/longevity problem i had with french avenue's liquid brun
granted, it's still not beast mode but it's much better than it was before

>>18755993
Nothing drops panties like a convid mask

Whats your worst smelling fragrance that you still enjoy

>>18755902
Intense and Original are good. Original is just the OG dior homme rebranded. Intense is a sweeter and darker version
I haven't smelled the new parfum. I have the old one, and if I wanted another from this line I would pick original.

>>18755992
It's odd to me that anyone over the age of 14 listens to those tiktok and youtube shills

>>18755902
Original is the best in its own right, tho it's not all that similar to the 2014 DHP.

Why would anybody buy arab cheapies? Western cheapies I understand, but arab?

>>18756041
because theyre being heavily marketed

>>18756041
>Why would anybody
they are brown
arab frags are cheap
they don't know better
some of them are okay dupes of overpriced slop
+ >>18756045

My TdH EDT has macerated so much that it’s pure damp earth gunpowder smell when sprayed on my skin

>>18755895
Don't need some TikTok child to read me AI generated google results. I'm paranoid so I don't spray my neck because of the high concentration of lymph nodes but most importantly the increased likelihood of becoming anosmic to the fragrance. I spray my wrists, inner elbows, and shirt if necessary. The reality is that if something requires you to spray daily for years to have a negative effect the risk is minimal. Yes there is a risk, no it's not a serious risk like eating processed foods.

>>18756056
based

>>18756056
>macerated
I think you mean "matured" anon.

>>18755979
>This is why IFRA exists
I could never understand why people who mention IFRA never actually know anything about it.
No, IFRA is not a government body. IFRA is made up of fragrance brands and manufacturers, their aim is to stop government regulation by preemptively self-regulating. They don't protect you from cancer or other diseases, they protect their pockets from costly government regulation.
>why perfumes are constantly getting reformulated
Again, not true either. Yes ingredients guidelines by IFRA cause reformulations but those guidelines only happen every few years and they usually affect few perfumes. Perfumes are constantly getting reformulated regardless of IFRA. Most perfumes are reformulated due to costs. You think if the price of sandalwood goes up the brand is going to be charitable and eat the cost? Of course not, are you fucking stupid?
>Most perfumes today have significantly reduced risk of cancer and neurological/reproductive harm than even 20 years ago.
Also not true. Cancer rates are higher now. Not to mention the countless skin conditions. The main concern of IFRA is money. If Ambrofix makes Givaudan a few pennies more than oakmoss they will find any reason to phase it out, like it causing allergy in a small percentage of people. Who knows or cares what effect new mystery molecules have on the body, as long as it's cheaper and the government doesn't know. They introduce new molecules with zero oversight.

TLDR: thanks to IFRA (brands and manufacturers) the fragrance industry has more money than ever and people are sicker than ever

>>18756056
How do I stop this from happening to me

>>18756000
Quite strong, but then again it's a Morillas creation so it doesn't come off as harsh or 'weird' either. There's also quite a bit of petrol-ish leather.

>>18756090
It doesn’t happen easily, mine is a batch from 2013 given away by my dad

>>18755902
i love dior homme original. sure, its got that "mall" vibe but it still smells nothing like you'd find in a department store today. its also much easier to wear in warmer parts of the year than the og dhp and its still being made so you dont have to buy it from scalpers
sotd: dior homme original

>>18755644
Egoiste

>>18755834
Beau de Jour and Pour Monsieur EDT.

>>18755895
I spray fragrance on my chest and arms. I don't want it anywhere near my face because I don't want to go nose blind immediately.

Ambre Nuit Good to gift a foid?

>>18756056
Should have worn more of it

SOTD: Habit Rouge
Just refreshing enough to still be perfect.

I changed my mind, as a man wear any woman's fragrance you want. I was of the mindset that some women's perfumes work on men but some don't. I just noticed some of my favorite fragrances lean heavily feminine: Fleur de Liane, Une Fleur de Cassie, Dans Tes Bras, Portrait of a Lady, Cuir Cannage, and Oud Ispahan. It made me realize women's perfumes are a more honest and naturalistic scent while men's perfumes just try to go against that by overdosing ingredients and adding synthetic and rougher smells. Men's fragrances are basically a contradiction of perfumery. Even the fruity smells every man seems to be wearing this summer have a pungent oversaturation. The biggest problem with women's fragrances are their ghastly bottles, if you can get over that I say go for it. I apologize for holding you back before but you now have my blessings.

>>18756041
Reasom 1 is theyve done really well in paying for influencers, the money big creators get from rich gulf cosmeitc companies is easily 6 figures for 12 months of stealth promotion, they bot everything and are a big reason why Fragrantica reviews and 'This perfume reminds me of' sections are ruined. Reason 2 is Arab houses are less raped by IFRA regulations than brands that bound by EU law. UAE (Lattafa, French Avenue, many others), Australia (Bujairami), Indonesia (Mykonos/Velixir) all use the same unregulated manufacturing and slave laboured raw material acquisition, so the oils are abundant (hence 50% of their releases being 'extraits'), cheap to make, a lot of times have, and do not disclose, all the parabens and lilial and other IFRA banned compounds in it to make it last longer. Basically, they arent nerfed like your typical Made in France or Spain or whatever cheapie, They mostly all suffer from smelling flat and '2D' because theyre literally rip offs, but if youre spending $30, arab fragrances have a large range of rip offs to match your favourite scent, can last as long as the originals and 9 times out 10 perform better than a Western cheapie, which are all neutered versions of themselves like stuff from Davidoff, Perry Ellis, etc.

>>18756094
Yea sure but some people here own dozens of bottles and they will have them for lifetime probably...
question still stands, how can you keep fragrances smelling the same for decades? just avoid sunlight?

>>18756109
Avoid sunlight and heat, it's that easy. There is no magic trick.

>>18756106
i have a few women's perfume in my collection like Pas Ce Soir and Kinstugi and i really like them. i think that most people, especially women, will like them. women's perfumes tend to lean more into sweet fruity or floral. some are too sweet for my taste, like too much of a gourmand, but for the most part even if frags are marketed as feminine they tend to be unisex most of the time.

>>18756114
>>18756109
and heat/changes in temperature. don't keep your frags in your bathroom

Anonitas, what are some brands that do a light airy style like Diptyque?

>>18756123
i think French-style perfumery tends to be light and airy generally speaking. i think L'Artisan Parfumeur could be a good pick. Acqua di Parma tends to lean on the lighter side for the most part, but it's rather different in style than Diptyque.
I find Byredo quite similar to Diptyque and Le Labo wouuld fit the bill as well.

>>18756123
L'Artisan Perfumeur, Premier Figuier is nice. Don't know why the brand just went silent, nobody talks about it.

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I already own Encrin de Fumee, but im looking for another Serge Lutens frag. I have Ambre Russe, so i think that Ambre Sultan will be redundant.
for those familiar with the brand, can you give me your thoughts on the following:
>Chergui
>Poivre Noir
>La Religieuse
>Five O'Clock au Gingembre

>>18756128
oh and Feminité du Bois. i quite like plum

>>18756123
Commes des Garçons, and what >>18756124 this anon posted

>>18756123
Floris

>>18756104
I’m saving it for occasions, it’s the orange top note has aged so well that it smells a bit ambery and dusty

>>18756041
they're good

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>>18756056
I shook one bottle, strongly for a few seconds only, then like 20 more bottles. I had a weak moment and thought it'd do something good to them. Now a day later I spray and they all, every single one have a strong alcohol smell, and the stuff inside smells sour, straight after spraying. More complex ones and edps settle for 80% of the old smell, but edts are fucked.
Is this temporary, or did I just rob myself of $1000 worth of frags?
>>18755901
you are built different

>have a handful of 10 ml decants of discontinued fragrance
>ebay apparently doesn't allow decants to be sold anymore
where do I sell these

>>18756176
Facebook marketplace

>>18756176
Reddit

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>>18755557
just popping in to say that cdg x monocle scent 1: hinoki is one of the best scents of all time. if only it lasted a bit longer

>>18756041
because not everyone is a retarded foid who uses perfumes as a status symbol and cares more about the perceived social value of a $400 fragrance instead of the actual value/$$ spent?
let's take chergui for example
this little overpriced shit is getting blown the fuck out by any middle eastern dupe from french avenue or arabiyat prestige in the tobacco+honey department, both in terms of quality and value
i have ramad earthy from arabiyat prestige which is kinda in the same neighborhood and chergui doesn't even come close to the depth and quality of smell, not to mention the price

>>18756200
Hey man if it actually smelled good I would agree but I tried a dozen dupes and they all smelled mid at best.

>>18756201
unironically skill issue
you should probably seriously consider not buying the shittiest ones anymore and stop calling them dupes
dupes are 1:1 replicas, these middle eastern fragrances are inspirations
they have access GC-MS machines and they can make exact 1:1 dupes but they choose not to because that's not what they're after

Why are all Paco Rabanne bottles so tacky?
Are any of their frags worth trying?

>>18756208
Pour Homme is one of my favorite frags

>>18756202
Yes skill issue (your nose likes shitty arab frags and mine doesn't)
Good for you I guess I wish I liked them too, would save me a lot of money

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>>18756217
>blind bought a shitty $15 maison alhambra and now he's an expert in middle eastern cheapies
cope eternally pleb
but i guess someone has to keep the western brands in business, right goy?

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If the bottle looks tacky or if the name of the frag is stupid, I'm sorry but I'm not even gonna sample it.

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>>18756224
What constitutes a stupid name and what are the requirements for a tacky bottle

>>18756208
It’s marketing. Unique bottles are more recognizable (and therefore memorable) than generic square bottles. It’s not like they’re the only ones to do it. Carolina Herrera with both good girl and bad boy, V&R Spicebomb, JPG, plenty of brands.

If you’re an average normie (which is who these brands all cater to) and you have a friend or coworker who you see put some on, you like it and decide you want some too, you may not know exactly what it is, but you can easily figure it out when you walk into Macy’s and ask for “The gold bar cologne” or “The robot cologne”.

>>18756223
I tried Khamrah, Khamrah Waha, Fakhar Black, Liquid Brun, Aether and they were all either bad or just plain mid so idk what to tell you buddy.

>>18756176
Reddit, but you're going to be competing against guys with 2,000+ frags decanted and ready to be sold. Unless it's an in demand, vintage, and discontinued decant you are probably not moving it. The alternative is something brand new that hypebeasts push like Demon Dancer or Anelo.

What is the frag? You might be able to sell the decants to the guys I mentioned, but they typically work on a credit model from what I understand.

>>18756236
david beckham signature story for him. I think I'll just try mercari or etsy.

>>18756073
IFRA lore drop

>>18756234
>"I tried Khamrah, Khamrah Waha, Fakhar Black, Liquid Brun, Aether and they were all either bad or just plain mid so idk what to tell you buddy."
>all of them are $20 fragrances
thanks for proving my point
you're the guy who buys a bottle of versace blue jeans and then concludes that all designer fragrances are trash
my dude, you're so out of the middle eastern fragrance game that you should just stop talking about them, ok? we are at the point where these companies are doing collabs with big names like Bisch, Herault, Jordi and others lesser known perfumers for original releases and inspirations that are on par with designers at worst, and niche at best

There are two big branches of perfumery. Arab and French. Are there others? Is niche perfumery its own branch? Do you have clear preferences between them?

>>18756202
>they can make exact 1:1 dupes but they choose not to because that's not what they're after

>Rashid, what have you got?
>Ah, Abdul, I have developed a perfect replica of the most sought-after variation of Aventus. Absolutely perfect. Then I decided to improve the performance so that only one spray is necessary.
>Rashid, you are a genius! I always tell people, I came out ahead in the bargain when I sold my five-year old sister to you for three goats. They all thought the price was too high.
>You are too kind, Abdul. So shall we more forward with production?
>No. Add an additional oud note, the cheapest, most artificial, off-putting note you have.
>But why?
>Rashid, we are not in the business of making 1:1 exact dupes. We are in the business of selling bullshit that smells roughly similar to Aventus and then tricking Western infidels to buy it with coordinated social media campaigns.

>>18756275
Those are all PRAISED by the arab dupe community everywhere and they were shit, why should I listen to anything you have to say?
Why don't you suggest some "good" arab frags then? I don't see you mentioning any.
I'm not opposed to sampling more of them you know, just sharing my personal experience that they're shilled and not good.

>>18756278
Americans and Brits. Then the Koreans and Japanese. Then a mishmash of random countries like Romania for some reason.

Niche vs Designer has a working definition in one of the charts near the top, IIRC. I typically go by how large the company is, and what they sell. Are they in the business of selling shoes, handbags, suits, etc. and then they have a fragrance division? Designer. Or do they just sell fragrances in different mediums? (Solid fragrances, incense, etc.) Then I'd call that niche. And I'd absolutely call a small brand that only sells fragrances niche. I can see someone arguing the point that niche should be defined by what sort of fragrances are made, but I'd disagree with that because different for the sake of different doesn't mean good. Slivinschi's stuff is retarded, as an example.

>>18756301
NTA, but Tobacco Touch by MA and Essence de Blanc by FA are pretty good approximations of Tobacco Vanille and Imagination. Especially since you can get either for like $15. Spray them a shitload into a drain and then stick them in a drawer for a month or so.

>>18756301
>Why don't you suggest some "good" arab frags then?
lattafa musamam black intense, maahir honor and teriaq intense, maison asrar vanguard, thriller, faris al arab, muharib, french avenue cocoa morado and fierte luna to name a few and there are lots more
>why should I listen to anything you have to say?
lmao you think i give a fuck whether you listen to me or not? very funny
>the masses said it's good so it must be good because i'm a dumb animal consumer who can't do his own research
first off, do you even like the angel share DNA? on what metrics did you base your judgment on? schmucks like you go into "dupes" expecting them to be better than the original or the same, which in most of the cases they aren't but totally ignore the fact that they are smelling something that's 10x cheaper
mathematically and logically speaking, in order for it to not be a good deal, it would have to be at least 10.9% or lower so anything above it's a good deal
most of these cheap little shits are AT LEAST 80% close to their inspirations, some are even higher than that
even if you treat and expect them to be clones, 80% for 10x lower price is a great fucking deal
look man, it's pretty clear you are fucking clueless when it comes to appreciating perfumes of all kinds at their true value and the only way you curate them is by the price tag so stick to your mainstream shit
let me tell you something: never ask a woman her body count and never ask a designer brand how much is the real cost of their fragrances lol
i bet you also buy exclusively from physical stores lmao


>>18756285
really dumb take and literally no one does that
clearly you don't know anything about what's going on with these houses

>>18756278
amouage is undefeated in the niche tier
the western brands survive purely off the image of luxury they project
creatively speaking, they are bankrupt

>>18756202
>they have access GC-MS machines
They don't work like you think they do. You think it's like having source code, when it's more like having assembly, or having access to shredded documents. Sure you have access to it but it takes effort and skill to reconstruct it.

>>18756311
yep, maturation after the first spray is so important when dealing with these cheapies
take azzure aoud for example which needed like almost a year to become the gem that it is now
even some designer/niche fragrances benefit from this process so it's the dumbest thing to judge a fragrance by the first sprays after opening a fresh box

>>18756326
>Sure you have access to it but it takes effort and skill to reconstruct it.
you know there are people in this world who can recreate an entire fragrance just from 1 sniff, right? without any gc-ms or other fancy shit
it's a literal art that comes very easy to people naturally talented at this
and the people working for these companies are literal perfumers who went and did studies in this sense
they are not abdul and ahmed from down the street who went from selling oranges to making perfumes overnight
they have the technology and the skill to do it
they don't do it because that's not what they're after
it's not that hard to understand desu

Any photorealistic unlit cigarette frags?
I only got this dupe of CH Mystery Tobacco which smells like a wine spilled on an ashtray (I like it)

>>18756224
That's why I don't buy arab fragrances.

>>18756326
>when it's more like having assembly, or having access to shredded documents
As someone who works in an analytical chemistry lab, even that is generous.

You get a list of *most* components, the naturals (in the cases those are used) are a smattering of tens of compounds in varying amounts, some of which will get mixed in with the artificial compounds used to mimic natural materials, and you only get rough approximations of concentrations, and even then there’s variability.

This is all working under the assumption that there’s no extraction performed, no derivatization needed, none of your compounds co-elute, and all the trace materials are within your AMR.

But I think we both already know this guy is an idiot.

>>18756329
Western perfumery is literally the same but jews handle your slop and overprice it

>>18756331
>smells like a wine spilled on an ashtray
Dont gatekeep, please share the fragrance. I need this profile in my life.

>>18756337
I don't know much about it but I've heard perfumers talk about it and even the strategies they use to dupe it.

>>18756331
>unlit cigarette frags

You mean tobacco?

>>18756331
What differentiates unlit cigarette from unlit pipe tobacco?
I know what the answer is to me personally but if (You) could put it into your own words it would help us narrow down and find a fragrance more suited for you.

>>18756322
Holy fuck you're seething lmao
Enjoy your 20$ frags bro I'm sure they smell great

>>18756322
>80% for 10x lower price is a great fucking deal
That is not how it works, this isn't math.
The "magic" (what makes it actually smell good) lies in the 20% that is missing.

>>18756351
>>18756350
more paypig cope
just say that you have a findom fetish

>>18756346
>>18756347
Yeah but unlit cigarettes have that “dry” quality compared to normal sweet tobacco note, it’s not sweet at all

>>18756339
It’s this one. Bought it as a blind buy as my Tobacco Vanille ran out months ago and i don’t want to buy another Tom Ford. I’d say it’s more medicinal, bitter-ish take on TV but with dirty ashtray drydown. Haven’t smelled the OG yet so idk if it’s accurate, but I like it.

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>>18756353
Forgot pic

>>18755895
I spray under my pits and chest

>>18756354
>Osmanthus

>>18756354
Why there's a picture of Fidel Castro on the bottle?

>>18756357
Osmanthus wine tastes the same as I remember

>>18756359
My bottle doesn’t have one.
I guess Che Guevara’s family sued them because he’s a socialist icon and they’re capitalizing on his face

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>3 for high temperatures
>3 for moderate temperatures
>3 for low temperatures

Restraint is a virtue. Can you do it?

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>>18756382
Damn you really like Guerlain

>>18756365
>>18756354
Post a pic of your bottle please, I wanna see what it looks like now. Also thanks for ungatekeeping

>>18756361
Osmanthus smells fuckin' awful to me. Almost like burnt hair. If you like it, I can't tell you that you're wrong, but I don't think I own anything with Osmanthus in it since it makes me retch. Sandalwood I also tend to find repellent since it's like a rotten vanilla to my nose. Doesn't help that a lot of shit throws Sandalwood and Vanilla together, or Tonka Bean.

>>18756392
It's the house with the absolute best every-day line AND the best 'private' line.

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>>18756367
>solves fragrances

I will fight OP with my bare hands if it meant getting this added to one of the graphs. It's so god damn good and costs nothing.

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opinions on LUSH frags?

>>18756410
i like Dirty a lot (it's very green and minty)

>>18756410
They had a coffee cardamom flavor that I fucking loved.
I haven't really cared to try the rest of their stuff but I do kinda want the Moomin Valley flavor for the shits and giggles

>>18756410
I wanna smell Himalayas, it’s on my fragrantica wants list

SOTD: Al-Haramain Amber Oud Tobacco Edition
The tobacco smell in the drydown is too strong. I feel like I'm smoking a pipe.

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>>18756398
No problem.

>>18756428
Oh no

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>>18756367
Considered Bel Ami instead of Ombre Leather

Habit Rouge EdT would probably fit in the middle rank if I owned it.

>>18756382
>>18756433
>Habit Rouge
Good morning sirs

>>18756410
Breath of God is very good but very polarizing.

>>18756435
whiter than you ranjeet

>>18756435
If you eliminate every fragrance that Indians wear as being jeet-coded there will literally be nothing left except Irish Spring soap.

The key difference lies not in what the Indians wear but how they wear it.

>Showers, puts on clean clothes, shows restraint with the sprayer
vs
>Fragrance is a replacement for bathing. 50mL? That won't even last two weeks!

>>18756322
holy shit you are brown

>>18756367
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| chilling | everyday | fuckboy |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Acqua di Sale | Costa Azzurra edp | Light Blue edt |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Moonstone Bleu | Sycomore | Sacreste |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Angelique Noire | Terra | Ambre Nuit |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|

>>18756467
What a fag

>>18756467
wait let me try that again
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|.......... chilling .........|......... everyday ..........|...... fuckboy .......|
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|.... Acqua di Sale ....|.. Costa Azzurra edp ..|.. Light Blue edt ..|
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|.. Moonstone Bleu ..|........ Sycomore .........|...... Sacreste ......|
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|... Angelique Noire ..|........... Terra ..............|.... Ambre Nuit ....|
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------|

how do i keep my test strips from touching each other and cross-contaminating when i'm spraying 8-10 strips at the store? i don't have enough pockets to keep each one separate from the rest.

>>18756480
Personally I use a pocket sized notebook and treat them like bookmarks, making sure to keep the scented part out, a regular notebook would work too.

>>18756480
for each strip put 2 unused strips between them with an x mark and sandwich them into your wallet once you are ready to leave and not during testing

theres always going to be an indian wearing your favorite fragrance

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>>18756367
I just gotta have my signature frag year-round.

>>18756493
Noooooooooo, how could this ever happen in this globalized world!

>>18756493
Bloody bastard!

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>"Smells almost identical to X. For the price, buy X."

I hate those comments because often times "almost identical" isn't enough. Sometimes small differences aren't small at all and become more and more apparent if not bothering as you wear a cheaper substitute.

>>18756493
Nobody on /frag/ wears my favorites so no Indians are wearing my favorites.

sotd dior homme 2020

>>18756226
brown shitskin arab name and bottle shape made like al-zuttplug

>>18755557
>SOTD: Cabotine
>Most pleasant $16 surprise
What are your favorite vintage cheapies or surprisingly good/complex perfumes on a budget you weren’t expecting?

When will I be satisfied in my fragrance search?

>>18756616
just one more bottle, any day now

>>18756502
>burning money on Sycomore when Encre Noire exists

>>18756552
*sprays your favorite*
hello saar

>>18756630
I would stick to Encre Noire if it smelled the same as Sycomore.

>>18756616
The only way to achieve satisfaction in your search is through Cool Water. Some scents come and go, but Cool Water is the eternal constant—it was there at the start, and it will be there at the end.The A and the Z. The Alpha, the Omega.

>>18756630
>burning money on Kobe steak when beef jerky exists
>burning money on glasses when you can just squint

>>18756643
now this but unironically

My vintage Antaeus came in today.

>>18756616
Your search is unattainable and unrealistic. Let the fragrances find you, give them a chance and they will prove themselves to you.

>>18756675
Pics or it didn’t happen.

What's the best scent for anal? Civet-based frags?

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>>18756723

>>18756733
Bottoming? Ultra Male (and poppers)
Topping? Le Male Elixer.

>>18756734
Nice shelf. Pop that top though, show it off.

>>18756742
Later, I am watching Mad Men with the GF.

>>18756735
Can straight men wear JPG?

>>18756751
Yes, you just need to get over the gay bottle.

>>18756751
>>18756754
Oh my god not this shit again.

>>18756746
what does your gf think of antaeus

>>18756734
Why does that Margiela bottle look so fucking huge

dumb question does increasing the number of sprays increase the sillage

Rayhaan Terra is pretty cool. That is all.
Reminds me of christmas cookies.

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>>18756742
Thanks. Also, nudes.
>>18756763
She likes me wearing woody, earthy frags, so she likes it.
>>18756778
I bought the special 2000ml bottle.

I really think Jazz Club is an underrated frag in terms of performance. My 50ml bottle was purchased in 2021 & is barely halfway finished until i hit a couple sprays for old time's sake today, and it's just as good, no "boozy" spoiled smell. Truly one of the most universally great scents IMO

>>18756807
I liked the new line that Maison released quite a bit, but they're off their rocker with the pricing.

>>18756800
>1740
Are you the mf that suggested Marquis de Sade as a pairing with cigarettes

>>18756816
Nah. I don't smoke. Nasty habit.

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Is this a good blind buy? My cousin offers a great deal and idk what to expect.

>>18756833
There are no good blind buys.
That said, it’s popular for a reason.

>>18756835
I wonder what it smells like, a lot of flowers in the notes but it's woody aromatic

What frag should I wear as a bald, clean shaven, 185cm, 105kg, 15% bodyfat, lifter of many years?

Hard mode: not Kouros

>>18756843
you're bald, nothing you wear could improve your status

>>18756843
Have you tried the fragrance I was being offered? I mean there's literally bald in it

>>18756847
You mean to say I'm already statusmaxxed? Maybe I'll wear something just for myself then.

>>18756851
I'll sample it next time I get a chance, summer's almost over though.

>>18756751
Absolutely not

>>18756816
Aye, that'd be me, 1740 gives that comfy feeling that cigarette smoke did and if I was still on them, I reckon it'd be an excellent pairing.

>SOTD Fahrenheit Parfum
Reckon this would be another good smokers frag, you get whiffs of it all throughout the day. Sprayed it at 6am and it's currently 6pm, still going strong. More of a citrus rind paired with that leather, less of the plasticky petroleum tool shop smell that the EdT has

What’s the best job one could have to support fragrance collection hobby?

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>>18756843
Nah man, Kouros would be this guy

Get you some Fahrenheit EdT or even Chanel Pour Monsieur

t. 190cm 86kg

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>>18756873
Sanitation technician

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SOTD: Escada Sunset Heat Men
I love the floral/fruity smell in the drydown. Kinda odd for a summer fragrance.

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>>18756843
French Lover

>>18756873
youtube frag shill

>SOTD: Malle French Lover
awesome frag, Pierre Bourdon is a genius

>>18756873
Working at an airport in border security, when hazardous items are cataloged some are given away before they are incinerated after they are cleared of being explosive/hazards. My best pull was a near full bottle of French Leather

>>18756889
Neat! What else did you happen to get?

>>18756886
That frag can make a guy pregnant

>>18756794
Only slightly. Sillage is mostly affected by the composition of the fragrance.

>>18756562
Grey Flannel for myself, Aramis for my dad.

>>18756562
Grey Flannel, Encre Noire A L'Extreme, Néroli Intense, Cool Water

>>18756911
yes

>>18756924
based

>>18756886
Wish this lasted more than 2 hours

Tuscan Leather is probably the most sophisticated fragrance I've ever smelled. It almost has an air of unapproachability to it, an inevitable distance - the scent of a man of excellent breeding, someone who grew up with a governess, someone whose family owns horses, a man who is socially graceful and pleasant, but whose social circle is ultimately impenetrable for the likes of (You). It's not an inviting scent, rather it establishes a border. It's cold, beautiful, but ultimately unobtainable.

>>18756943
Take it to Parfumo or buy space in the advertisement section.

>>18756954
It's not a poem so he has to take it to Fragrantica after putting it through AI to turn it into an essay.

>>18756943
It’s my dad’s signature fragrance. You’re right, it’s quite unapproachable and distant the first time i smelled it. It was unmistakable. The last time he talked to me he called me a “useless faggot” before leaving us. He has a new family now with 3 kids. It always reminds me of him.
Or idk, maybe he wears a similar DNA, lol.

>>18756940
i am getting a good 4-5 hours out of it

Leather fragrance either smell like you are wearing a New Car Smell scented Little Trees, or you smell like a football. Ombre Leather former, Babycat latter

3 HUNNA 3 HUNNA 3 HUNNA

>>18756997
>Little Trees New Car
I just posted about this on fragrantica. I would buy it if they ever made a perfume.