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The Fragrance Groups 101 Chart

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The Fragrance Flowchart for Beginners

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>3 for high temperatures
>3 for moderate temperatures
>3 for low temperatures

Restraint is a virtue. Can you do it?

>>18759273
fico di amalfi, leau mixte, encre noire for all 3

>>18759232
it's an well-made oakmoss-heavy chypre mixed with the signature Bianchi base, feel free to blind buy it if you like its listed notes

>>18759273
don't really want to (with 150 frags) but ofc i can
high
>Nicolai Cedrat Intense
>Nicolai Victoire
>Nicolai Neroli Intense
moderate
>Nicolai Iris Medicis Intense
>Nicolai Amber Oud
>Nicolai Cuir Cuba Intense
low
>Nicolai Rose Oud
>Nicolai New York Intense
>Nicolai Vanille Tonka

I'm thinking of getting a new fougere. I've found testers for HdP's 1725 and Floris' Elite for around 60 euros each. Which one should I get? I generally prefer greener and sharper scents so I am leaning towards Elite.

>>18759280
HdP's 1725 is not green or sharp at all so you should probably do that

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Been a while since the original list of masstige slop brands was created. Does anyone here have any new suggestions for brands that have entered masstige slop territory?

>>18759285
>Diptyque
>Amouage
>Byredo
>Le Labo
>Masstige
Retard

>>18759285
lol have not seen this infographic in quite some time
maybe remove IA from the approved list (it's a crap house) and add Mind Games and Crivelli to the sloppa list

>>18759285
>>18759289
Forgot also
>Frederic Malle
Which also coincidentally mogs most of the brands on the left

>>18759289
Not only are they masstige but they are the epitome of masstige.

>>18759293
>old malle
maybe
>masstige malle
no fucking way lol

>>18759285
Damn I haven’t seen this posted in like a solid year or so. I think a couple of those brands don’t even exist/make frags any more.

Good shit, long over due for a posting.

>>18759289
Top fucking kek if you think Le Labo isn’t masstige. Well memed frendo.

>>18759285
Needs Pineward added on the left.

>>18759273
>restraint
>9 frags
try again senpai

still, even from my meager collection of 50-ish it's not easy to choose 9
high
>Chanel Platinum Egoiste
>Dior Dune pour Homme
>Eau d'Hermes
moderate
>Hermes Rocabar
>Jorum Athenaeum
>HdP 1899 Hemingway
low
>Chanel Egoiste
>Nicolai New York Intense
>HdP Encens Roi

>>18759276
Are you also the Loewe anon?

>>18759306
nope, i'm the Nicolai anon

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>>18759285
>I support below $30 throwaway brands and fragrances
>sotd: David Beckham Classic Blue edt

>>18759301
I just ordered a sample of Dune PH. I assume it differs enough from PE for you to list both.

>>18759276
I'm sensing a theme in your selection

>>18759285
>PdE
>Not masstige
Wew lad

>>18759232
i tried it recently. i reminded a bit of NYI due to the animalic notes. a bit more earthy and "airy"? i think the note breakdown don't do it justice. it's a very pleasant and wearable chypre. defs getting my hands on it soon
>>18759309
what other nicolai would you shill to me if i already have NYI?

>>18759285
you know, i'll agree with the label of masstige, but a lot of those brands, to me, put out (at the very least a few) really great frags.

>>18759326
:o

>>18759328
cope, seethe and dilate
ywnbaw

>>18759329
depends on what you like

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rec me tea dominant frags. black, green, earl grey are good. some spices are also fine
my fav so far
>miller harris tea tonique edp
>eldo above the waves
>akro smile
>carthusia mediterraneo
>memo winter palace (bit too much spices tho)

not bad/meh/not full bottle worthy
>nishane wulong cha & X
>armani the yulong
>elizabeth arden the green tea
>akro infuse
>melody of the sun
>armani eau de cedre

no thanks
>miller harris tea tonique extrait
>lattafa dynasty
>serge lutens five o clock
>le labo noir 29 & matcha 26
>the house of oud the time (yeah bro just sneeze into the bottle after not washing your teeth for a week at the end of production line and ship it)
>any gourmand matcha slop
>russian tea (for me it works better as a leather frag)
>state of mind aesthetic turbulence
>state of mind open mind
>silver mountain water
>herba fresca

todo
>regalien dem (trying tomorrow)
>neroli outrenoir
>bvlgari the blanc?
>bamboo harmony??
>j-scent and floraiku but ill probably pass on them since they dont last

>>18759332
>no argument
>troons outta nowhere
grim

>>18759335
>Nicolai Bois Belize Intense
if osmanthus/tea is fine, then
>PdE Osmanthus Interdite
>Nicolai Fig Tea

>>18759330
Corporate acquisition really has neutered/even corrupted a lot of these brands arguably.

>>18759344
most likely. perhaps some of the classic frags aren't quite the same as they used to be or the new releases are meh, but i still find a few gems here and there. i don't need to like the brand as a whole to enjoy a frag.
>>18759332
quite a lot. what are your favorites?

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>>18759285
Why should I support the left and not the right when the right smells better usually and prices are pretty much the same?

I don't understand the masstige hate, people say they smell like designers or arab dupes but they clearly don't unless you are a noselet.

>>18759335
Bulgari pour homme EDP (green tea)
Gisada Ambassador (black tea)

>>18759335
Seconding >>18759367 for BpH EdP, good tea frag.
Also consider Indigo Smoke (lack luster performance) and Encre Indigo.

Already on your to-do list, but Neroli Outrenoir is fantastic.

>>18759356
>quite a lot. what are your favorites?
current top5 (apart from NYI, i tend to change it up often tho):
>Rose Oud
>Cedrat Intense
>Odalisque
>Cuir Cuba Intense
>Neroli Intense

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When does this start to get good?

>>18759393
When you throw it in the trash and stop buying astroturfed arab shit

>mom said Byzantine Amber smelled very refined and high quality

>>18759358
It's just contrarianism
Some "masstige" frags are generic and mediocre (bal d'afrique, most of the MFK lineup, pacific chill...), some smell great (naxos, most amouage, POAL...)

>>18759358
I know you overpaid for some generic trash so you're defensive but most people would rather pay for the smell and not some scam brand marketing.

>>18759401
I got Layton 125ml for 200 eur, please show me something similar smelling from the brands in the left that is also cheaper good sir.

>GIT has the same DNA of the cheap ass cologne my dad uses

Fuck, should have known.

>>18759405
Some deodorant brands like Arrid copied that scent profile. I sprayed some a while ago (also my dad's) and it's exactly like the Cool Water deodorant.

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>>18759403
Do you think it's a unique fragrance? There are thousands of similar fragrances, not counting the clones.

>>18759358
lots of poorfags and contrarians in here

>>18759358
i dont get why "smells like designer" is a bad thing when its quite literally meant to be appealing to everyone

>>18759432
I guess it means

>why pay 300$ for masstige when you can pay 100$ for designer

But usually masstige uses higher quality longer lasting ingredients and the smells are a little more unique to me anyway.

what's the best way to pack your bottles when preparing for a move? my wife and I have about 100 bottles in our collection but we never kept the boxes. should we individually bubble wrap each bottle, lay them on top of each other in a big ass box and hope for the best?

>>18759443
Fragrance bottles are ridiculously heavy when bunched together so I suggest a lot of small boxes. 10-20 50ml bottles are heavy and when you get into 100ml and bigger anything over 10 would be heavy. Put them in a tray and lift them so you know what I mean. You can package them as you mentioned if you have the time. Otherwise you can do beer bottle style with thick dividers. Again, lots of smaller groups are preferable to few larger group. Don't forget to use a no residue tape to keep the caps on.

I've found that I don't really resonate with cold, dark fragrances, what're some warm, cozy fragrances? I'm looking at Memoirs Of A Trespasser right now and it seems nice.

>>18759330
Once you understand how even independent brands market themselves you will realize they all fit the definition of masstige. 99% of fragrances don't fall under luxury products based on price. The majority are marketed as exclusive, luxurious, and status symbols. Even the smells themselves convey a sense of class and luxury. Very few fragrances convey what I call humble scents and even when they do they are not marketed as such.

>>18759454
Don't bother with Imaginary Authors, it's a scam brand. Everyone has a different definition of cozy, for me cozy it's Escada pour Homme on a cold night.

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>>18759437
>higher quality

>>18759285
I am sending incense Anon my sample of Ritual Code, then you niggas will all see. Almost Human will belong on the left. THEY WILL. They may only have five frags, but you watch, in a few years they'll be a sleeper house that people here mention.

Also,
>Papillon
STOP NOT SHIPPING TO THE US. FUCK.

>>18759285
IA needs to be removed, and Mind Games needs to be added to the right.

>>18759423
My brother in Christ, most of the niche/artisan brands cost as much, if not more than the designers. Chanel, Dior, Guerlain, and Amouage are the only ones I know who have a regularly selling line (or just in general) that cost as much/more. Guerlain has their weird Tom Ford looking bottles that cost $600. Chanel and Dior have their private lines. And Amouage just blows niggas out the water with half of their lineup being like 400-500 dollars. In general though, most of those companies are cheaper. That's why they are designer.

>>18759285
Where the fuck is Serg? I just noticed he's missing. The French vampire needs to be on here somewhere.

>>18759509
I thought masstige was a subcategory of niche not designer?
I don't think pdm, amouage, malle etc make anything other than fragrances.
Masstige just means "niches /frag/ doesnt like because they're more popular than real niches"

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>>18759273

>>18759511
I mean, I would argue that there are certain companies which feel like industry plants. Think Ex Nihilo. Masstige has conations associated with brand recognition and spending enough money to indicate the idea of wealth, but not the truth of it. Tom Ford is the definition of masstige, but Tom still has some great frags and you'd actually have to be brain dead to say otherwise. Same with the brands I just mentioned. It's the "Louis Vuitton purse" scenario, that's all.

I would avoid masstige unless it was something I actually really wanted (or someone wanted me to have it), because I'd rather give money to that very small company who is whipping shit up in the kitchen for the love of the game. Is it monetarily responsible of me to keep buying MDCI? No, not at all. Do I keep doing it? Yeah, because I think it's funny as fuck how they run their business and I like a decent chunk of their frags.

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>>18759273
Serious answer

>>18759501
Can you send me 300 bucks I just got laid off

>>18759529
I'm sorry Anon, I keep buying frags and having to pay insane tariff fees. The Almost Human guy who runs the company and I had a small email exchange after my bottles came in. I initially was going to order two bottles of Dear Future and one bottle of Ritual Code, but I decided to get one of each for the time being. Fucking smart move. It was nearly $90 for 2 bottles of 50ml frags in tariffs. I emailed him about that and how one of the samples he sent me broke somehow (I still don't understand what could have possibly caused it shatter in the box). When I told him how much it cost me in tariffs, he was fucking floored and asked me if they explained what the fuck actually made it so much. I couldn't help the poor guy, but he said he was going to seriously look into this because I imagine it's fucking with his sales and no one was telling him. He also let me know that he's trying to get an stockist in the US ASAP, and that he's working on more frags.

I look forward to seeing what he ends up making, but he has to solve that tariff shit. Holy fuck.

>>18759396
based

>>18759514
>Yeah, because I think it's funny as fuck how they run their business
Can you tell me more about that? Is it like Roger Bird/Bond No9/ Frag Du Bois kind of shit?

>>18759551
nta but it's literally the opposite of that (=based af), just check their webpage and you will see (https://parfumsmdci.com/)
>1 month+ summer break rn
>you can only order frags via e-mail
>you can only pay with paypal
>etc.

>>18759552
It's not even just "can only pay with paypal" it's literally, "You have to go into your PayPal account, enter their email, click on their PayPal account, and then send them money equal to the amount of your order."

They just out there swinging their dicks around. Never heard of an invoice in their fucking lives. No idea what the fuck taxes are. Just raw dogging life while using a webpage that looks like it was made in 2002. It's genuinely admirable, reminds me of the bygone era of the Internet where you just had to operate on faith that the other party wouldn't fuck you when you bought something.

>>18759552
>>18759554
Based. Am I right in thinking that unlike Roja Diva and PDM and others they don't care about hiring tiktok/yt shills at all? I literally only hear about them here on /frag/ and occasionally some blogs from the early 2010s used to discuss Invasion Barbare.

>>18759561
>Am I right in thinking
yes, as i said, they are the literal opposite of frauds like roger bird

>>18759561
The closest you'll get is someone having to buy samples or bottles with money out of their own pocket to do a review. I think that Seldomly Updates guy (not sure if that's his name) did a review containing Invasion Barbare and Chypre Palatin a while back among like a dozen other frags. Everyone who knows MDCI only knows them because of those two, but I've been able to sample around 90% of their fragrances since I was nice to the dude who handles their orders. They definitely have some other stuff worth buying. Now, it's a complete value judgement on whether or not you think there are better comparable frags at a better price. But I'll still buy MDCI because "lol, lmao". Well, that and their sample system is ridiculous. I wish they were large enough to have like 100 frags on offer because then I'd just buy MDCI for their sample system alone. It's literally almost an entire bottle for free each time you order a bottle directly from them. It's 62 or 67ml worth of samples WITH EACH BOTTLE. Fucking insane. If you order 4 bottles, and ask for the right samples, you basically just got 8 bottles at no additional cost. I don't know of any brand on the market who even comes close to that.

>>18759512
I KNEEL

>>18759315
yes, dune is like fig/sunscreen, while platinum egoiste is more like lavender/metallic to me

>>18759335
There's nothing more tea dominant than Wulong Cha.
Based on your faves I recommend Teas Me and Imagination.

>>18759454
Grand soir is the warmest, comfiest amber I've tried. Sure some are better and more complex but GS is the only one that gives me such an impression of warmth

Which perfume makes you emotional, bros? It doesn't have to make you nostalgic or melancholic necessarily. Just something that makes you feel..

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>>18759273

SOTD: Dylan Blue

>>18759501
100% agree about Papillon only shipping to the UK, I'm dying to try some of their frags.
They have samples over at Ecuacion Natural but I'm waiting for them to restock on Rogue's stuff before placing an order.
>>18759546
>solve the tariff shit
What's there to solve?
Protectionism is in fashion, foreign imports in the US are taxed to hell and back as a political maneuver, foreign imports in the EU are taxed more and more each year because it's trendy and it's more tax money anyway, and businesses have to pay taxes on imports just the same as private customers.
Things are unlikely to change significantly in the future because why would anybody in office lower taxes ever when they have such a good excuse not to (it's the previous administration's fault)?
The only way for a european brand to avoid import duties and taxes in the US is contraband.
>>18759554
>no idea what taxes are
They charge different amounts based on the shipping destination depending on VAT, so I imagine they do know what taxes are, they just don't want to pay for a payment processor to be able to handle orders automatically and via other payment methods.

>>18759575
CK Eternity Men

Dude holy shit. I wore Megamare by the sea and it does smell like the ocean. Well not totally 100% but it’s like waves crashing on shore covered with white, nice smelling flowers. Insane. Any cheapies that comes close to this experience?

>>18759515
What fragrance is that?

>>18759582
The fuck are you talking about, megamare just smells like amberwoods and calone, I'd barely call it a marine fragrance

>>18759580
>they just don't want to pay for a payment processor to be able to handle orders automatically and via other payment methods.
Which they have to do because the payment processor handles taxes different if it's a business transaction (G&S) versus F&F. They don't care how you send the money, so long as you send the total sum. That could get them in trouble because the correct amount isn't being withheld but they don't seem to give a shit, lmao. They are factoring a tax into the transaction, but not all the correct sorts of tax.

>>18759583
I looked it up earlier. It's a vintage bottle of Passion by Elizabeth Taylor.

>>18759583
Original parfum edition of Elizabeth Taylor’s Passion. The EDT is scratchy and the reformulations are screechy. Parfum is such a pain in the ass find, but she’s my baby.

>>18759585
>amberwood
>Megamare

Holy larp.

>>18759590
It's loaded with ambrocenide, dumb fuck
You have no idea what you're talking about, stick to JPG retard

>>18759285
just buy good designers desu

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Would Tobacco Vanille by Tom Ford be acceptable as a year round signature scent? I bought Pacific Chill as my first fragrance but it has no longevity. People save avoid it in the summer but I would go light as an office cuck, two sprays max.

>>18759575
Tbf most of my frags, especially those i associate with certain times, places, etc, give me feels. That said, Gris Dior

>>18759593
def too much for summer

>>18759593
Sometimes I wear it in summer, but one spray at home. Even then can become cloying on some whiffs through the day. Definitely not office safe during high heat. Please don’t do that.

>>18759582
Based Megamare enjoyer
>>18759585
Cringe Megamare detractor

>>18759599
Stop samefagging, noselet.

Just tried Beyond The Waves by ELDO. Nice, soothing and lovely. I hope it is not going to give up on me in an hour, bros.. I was impressed enough to think of buying a bottle.

>>18759602
it's Above The Waves and yeah, that's another tea frag for >>18759335

>>18759603
Yes. Does it perform decently for you? And which other scents does it remind you of? I'm entering my tea era now.

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>>18759600
>Surely more than one person can't disagree with me, they must be samefagging
Nice cope, retard. Mogged by Megamare again.

>>18759604
it's nothing special, reminds me of the PdE tea frag (Osmanthus Interdite)

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>>18759606
So you're just a retard then
>detractor
Learn to read, nigger

>>18759575
ELDO Nostos makes me horny, CdG Play Red makes me hungry.

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>>18759608
Alright. We'll call it a draw. (You are the monkey)

Is Oudh infiniti worth it?

>>18759574
how does GS compare to Ambre Sultan if you've tried it?

>>18759626
AS is more resinous, less vanilla-heavy, maybe a bit drier? Grand soir is sweeter, more luminous and smells expensive and sophisticated
I like both but I prefer wearing GS even though I'll admit the price difference is unjustifiable (also why I'll never buy Ambre Levant despite it being truly excellent)

>>18759633
Is there anything on the cheaper side that scratches that GS itch?

>>18759636
Unfortunately I never found anything close at a lower price point

i really like patchouli. What are the best patchouli fragrances?

>>18759638
Megamare

>>18759638
Rien Intense by ELDO

>>18759646
Rien is incense and aldehydes, nigger

>>18759636
Eternal oud if you don’t mind the gaudy ass bottle

>>18759604
ELDO YOSLY, smells like drinking tea while in an Asian spa

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>>18759591
>ambrocenide
Sounds like suicide,
which what you should do

amberwoods ≠ ambroxan
learn to know the difference.

>>18759657
To be fair to the dude, companies usually use Amberwood to describe Ambroxan for Marketing.

>>18759638
Buio Meo Fusciuni has a very damp patchouli at the forefront to my nose

>>18759636
GS is boring as fuck, get a small(er) and cheaper bottle of Ambre Sultan, Ambre Russe or Byzantine Amber for something actually good

>>18759655
YOSLY is not a tea frag at all

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>>18759657
Never reply to me again you stupid faggot.

>>18759665
I have both Byzantine Amber and GS and they're completely different. Byzantine Amber is admittedly more complex and interesting but it's not at all a similar scent profile, I like GS because it's pure, clean, warm amber

>>18759586
>MDCI has to pay for a payment processor to be able to handle orders automatically and via other payment methods
Why?
>payment processors handle taxes differently
Payment processors do not handle taxes, the cut they take is a service fee.
>that could get them in trouble because the correct amount isn't being withheld
Trouble with who?
Not local tax authorities certainly.
>they are factoring a tax into the transaction
I've never bought anything from them, but given that they list prices including and excluding EU VAT I don't see what makes you say the tax they charge is wrong.

>>18759665
>Grand Soir, an amber (the vanilla, labdanum and benzoin accord) frag, is boring
>instead get one of these amber (ambergris) frags
It's baffling to me that the pedantic jerkoffs that post on /frag/ confuse the two.

>>18759638
Psychedelique by Jovoy is mainly about the patchouli

>>18759514
Ok I get all of that, some use brand recognition, some are overpriced etc etc.
But at the end of the day you smell something and decide if you really like it or not and want to buy a bottle of it for the price.
It doesn't matter if they're Tom Ford or Nicolai. Your nose can't tell the brand.
Shitting on people for liking masstige frags is kinda cringe.

>>18759689
>Your nose can't tell the brand
that is where you're wrong, anon
many brands have a distinctive DNA (Bianchi, Tauer, etc.) which can be recognized if you're not a noselet

>>18759638
Tuxedo Sharp Patchouli YSL?

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>>18759691
yeah but if you like the frag but feel disparaged because of the brand only, then you're a contrarian snob and your opinion isn't worth that much

>>18759693
one of my all time favorites
>>18759685
whats it smell like?
>>18759663
im strictly masstige

>>18759716
>whats it smell like?
pacthouli and amber rum chocolate cake

>>18759722
ohh nice thanks. im gonna get a decant

What are the best leather fragrances that actually smell like leather?

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What is your autism when it comes to frags?

I like to test frags and see if I can figure out the notes by myself before researching them on fragrantica and in their websites. Today I tried Platinum Egoiste, very fresh and classy. From the first spray, I found it similar to Neroli Portofino at first and found out that it has neroli and lavender so got those right, at a closer sniff I got vetiver and some woody elements since it reminded me of Encre Noire, which I found out to be indeed vetiver and sandalwood. At last, there is the "oldschool" element in common with my Yatagan, which I expected to be oakmoss. Didn't get the floral elements right and it felt a bit citric because of the musk but it's part of the experience of smelling the mix.
>>18759582
Hell yeah, I was planning on doing that next week in my trip to the beach, happy to know I'm not the only marine enjoyer.
>>18759593
Not if it's too warm, but overall yeah it's a great frag.
>SOTD Platinum Egoiste

>>18759760
notes are often bullshit. better to think about styles, genres, accords. platinum egoiste is the most similar to other 90s fresh fougeres like ck eternity for men, but with that creamy sandalwood base added

>>18759691
>if you're not a noselet, your enjoyment of a frag's scent will depend on the fact that you associate it with a brand
It sounds like you care about branding more than people who buy """masstige""" of designer frags do.

>>18759797
nice projection there, buddy

>>18759262
Which fragrance gets you younger girls when you’re 30 (besides eau de bank account)

>>18759829
They don't like me cause of how I smell, they like me because I'm cool and funky fresh

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>>18759829
just like >>18759833 said, be crescent fresh and you're good to go
also Kouros

>>18759813
>no argument
>doesn't know what projection is
Classic 4ch.
sotd: Ambre Nuit

>>18759829
Gourmands and skin scents.
Freshies, greens, and blues are for ugly old men.

>>18759285
Add Houbigant, Caron and Floris to the left

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Should I blind buy this

>>18759849
My gut tells me no because I have been seeing this shit get shilled non-stop for the last week or so.
That said, its relatively cheap. Go for it if you want.

>>18759829
jpg and invictus victory elixir

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I'm gonna go to Macy's and decide if I want I Will or Stronger With You Absolutely.
I'll write later my thoughts on I Will.

>>18759866
I will is sloppa, not something I expected Armani brand to release. SWY is also mass npc pleaser but at least it is decent. Very high price too for what it does

Speaking of price, wish I found something like Creed Viking but cheaper, not going to spend that on funky water

Why is Incident Diplomatique 75ml same price as 100ml?
Was 100ml the old bottle design or something?

>>18759262
>>18759872
Incidentally I’m testing Viking for the first time today, and while I’m really enjoying it I’d never pay Creed prices for it, even from a discounter.

There’s a lot of things in here I like, but I think it’s the clove that’s pulling extra weight.

>>18759829
Fragrances dont get you women. Women dont sit there and think, "hes mid but hes wearing cologne so ill fuck him" and they also don't care if chad is wearing fahrenheit because theyre going to want to fuck him regardless

>>18759893
Why did you use fahrenheit in a negative tone here? It is a great frag. homo.

>>18759898
You mistake intent. I like fahrenheit, but women fucking hate it because they have shit taste for the most part

Correct me if im wrong but doesn’t ambergris have a salty quality? Why do you guys confuse it with traditional warm amber I thought was an entry-level fragrance knowledge

>>18759776
>Creamy sandalwood
Well that rests the fucking mystery. I thought I’m tripping when I said I smell a milky, fig note in it.

Do we like Maison Crivelli here?
Should I get their discovery set?

>>18759918
It’s basically all bullshit at this point. Go to any big name aromachemical supplier (e.g. Fraterworks) and read their descriptions for the several different vendors that all carry their own trade name for ambroxide. You’ll find various descriptions on each page including woody, ambery, cedar etc.

>>18759893
Here comes an effort post. Colognes help my man. You need to think of this as a rating system, it's a sliding scale that you have power over but you also need to keep in mind that what is one chick's ten is another girl's four. This could be because ethnicity, bodytype, clique, etc. It's not so simple as whether or not a guy has hunter eyes, cut glass cheek bones, and a chiseled jaw. It actually can be the opposite, and this isn't some odd cope. Neuroscientists studying women (specifically young ones, because all these studies always use college age participants for the most part), found that what women perceive as attractive in a very narrow set of constraints is largely cyclical. The cycle is their hormones. When a woman approaches the peak of her hormonal production during the month, she is more likely (not guaranteed) to favor men who have sharp features and greater dimorphism between her and him (more muscle mass). This is why dating apps spawned the word "face card" and why you see an outsized number of women directing towards a smaller pool of men. They are participating in a survey they aren't even aware they're in, one designed to restrict the factors which a woman has access to when determining if she wants to mate with a guy down to the very thing I just described. It's why the study was carried out in the first place.

Now, here's the interesting thing, once their peak hormonal drive has ended for the month their attractions will invert. They will favor men with softer features, rounder faces, and less dimorphism between them over the prior group when rating for physical attraction.

Robert Sapolsky (he's a very famous primatologist and neurologist) writes about this in his book "Determined", but he's also used when speaking on it he used the hypothetical example of why the same woman watching LoTR will find Legolas more attractive than Sam during a few days of the month, but then will find Sam more attractive than Legolas on different days.

>>18759893
>>18759935
Ultimately this board is social signalling. You are trying to socially signal that you groom yourself, you work on yourself, that you do the things that primates look for in mates. This is why I mentioned cliques. An African American woman might find a Chinese guy to be on the low end of what she finds attractive, but an African American male at the high end. So, you have that. Then within this, you have to drill down. Does she find goofy guys attractive or thugs? Does she find working professionals attractive or blue collar men? Those factors are predetermined and outside of your control, but you have control over various other factors that I just mentioned. Do you dress well? You better, but just because you dress well that doesn't mean she finds your style to be what she likes. Either way, it indicates effort. Are you wearing cologne? Is it a kind she likes? Maybe, maybe not. You can't control if she likes it, but you can control that you're wearing it and how much you're wearing. Does it smell nice? Does it smell expensive? Does it smell mature? Those are all different things, and she could like all, any, or none of them but again, you are engaging in grooming behaviors which she will recognize and appreciate.

If you're dressing well. Are you wearing a very avant garde outfit that requires a certain kind of taste and interest in fashion? Are you wearing a well tailored suit? Are you wearing nicely made work wear? Again, this fits back into cliques, but if you are wearing nice clothes and it's self evident that you are then you can draw the eye. It may not get her to fuck you. You might still be an autistic sperg. What this does do is open the door. The hormonal gravitational towards certain men is something every man should keep in mind. A woman is more likely to give you a chance if you've got your shit on.

Now, you can ignore all this. Wear what you want. Act how you want. Go spray animalic ouds on yourself.

>>18759866
>>18759872
SWYI is better than both thoughbeit

>>18759872
Everyone needs a little sloppa and a couple NPC pleasers in their collection
>>18759866
I am back from Macys. As expected I walked out with SWY Absolutely. I'm a sucker for that chestnut note. I think I just really like nutty scents, it's at the point that I might try hunting down a fragrance with a pronounced peanut butter accord. If that exists.

I Will is okay, the SWY line is decidedly better but I Will has more versatility. The bergamot and more pronounced lavender makes it seem fresher and not a crazy choice for spring and cooler summer days. I'm never gonna go out of my way to buy a bottle of I Will but if I happen across a decant of it I'd wear it for a couple days. There isn't really much to say about I Will, just another pleasant vanilla lavender fragrance.

>>18759945
That may be true but to *my* nose I'd rather spend the money on and wear Absolutely.

At what point do you say "shit I have too many bottles already it will be a waste of money to buy a new one"

>>18759985
16, but I'm at 50+ now

>>18759988
Why 16? Seems like a specific number.
Is there a chart you have to fill or something? Like blue freshy, citrus frag, tobacco frag, sweet cozy vanilla frag, oud/earthy frag etc etc
Wonder what all the checkpoints are.

>>18759985
Probably 10-12. But the call of the frag... It is inescapable like any other hobby. >>18759988

>>18759992
3-4 for each season tends to be acceptable for many

>>18759985
after all the shit i sent back, and excluding those i dont want to use, 16 remained. out of that i'd re-purchase maybe 3-4.
e.g i got vph which ticks all the boxes, i got adg parfum which was expensive, also citrusy but a bit different. now do i need another freshie like ahs or maybe a profondo? i dont >need< it, desu.

from person to person it will depend on money, how bored you are and how much you autistically like frags.
reddit posts on /colognes are crazy though, i'd never believe even with a gun to my head that the op likes all his 100+ bottles and also plans to use them

>>18759985
I hit that point around 50 ish bottles. During a full year I rotate between about 30, and usually put some into storage and bring some out to replace them.

I have a few on a list I’d like to pick up, but have convinced myself to resist until I empty several. I’ve probably got somewhere in the neighborhood of 7-8 that are 1/3rd to half full, so within a year or two I’ll have pared my collection down reasonably, and then will consider what I want to replace and what I’m okay with just letting go.

>>18759985
12 probably

>>18759992
I don't like wearing the same frag consecutively. I like having at least 4 solid options for each type of weather. I'm flexible with season but I like choices.

>>18759985
Depends on the person. My dad has a bigger collection than me (70+) and I think i’m good at around 10 100ml bottles

Sup /frag/gots, just got done picking out the line up for the week. What do ya’ll have in mind for the week?

Monday, cool weather, some rain, white shirt.
>Egoiste
Tuesday, little warmer, sunny, vibrant blue shirt.
>Mousse Illuminée
Wednesday, unfortunately hot, but wearing black on black for 2 Big to Rig
>Explorer
Thursday, cools back down a touch, some rain, lavender shirt
>Fleur d’Oranger
Friday, cools down even more, more rain, dark blue shirt
>New York Intense

It’s gonna be a good week frens. Have fun.

>>18760010
Frags are like food. Burgers are good. Pizza is good. Hotdogs are good. But you shouldn't only eat burgers, pizza, and hotdogs. At least that's how I look at it. >>18760013

>>18760016
Monday
>Lacoste Blanc
Tuesday
> H24 edt
Wednesday
> Chanel No 5
Thursday
> Terre D’ Hermes Eau Givree
> Friday
AlRehab Oud & Rose

>>18759776
I know, and if I feel a note that is different from what's listed I'll just consider my version is more correct :D
>>18759849
>>18759850
Go for it. I've tried both this and the normal version. Normal one is more rounded, didn't feel much of a difference in projection/duration, but both are indeed good. It's a citric plus ginger frag, smells like just got out of the shower to a sunny day. Got complimented a lot with it. Oh, and I'm testing Imagination soon just to see how much of a good clone it is.

>>18759925
no and no

>>18759938
>Now, you can ignore all this. Wear what you want. Act how you want. Go spray animalic ouds on yourself.
based

>>18759985
never

>>18760016
nice

>>18759829
sauvage

>>18759829
None of em

>>18759866
This bottle looks like AI-generated Sauvage

>>18759866
>I Will
Reminds me of “Proud of you” Arab copies of SWY lol

>>18759829
>Diptyque Eau Rihla (also known as Ombre Leather, but better)

>>18759985
could not happen to me

>>18759999
witnessed - no digits go unnoticed on my watch

>>18760016
no plans, I decide at the start of the day:
>sotd: Hermes Equipage
it's not so hot today and I haven't worn it in a while
(btw nice taste, anon)

>>18759872
Abraaj Viking, if you can still find a bottle.
>>18759925
I like Crivelli, and I think their eaudep sample set is a good deal.
I'm not big on oud so I've never tried their more popular stuff, but based on everything else I've tried from them I'm inclined to think that too is good.
That said, since they're quite famous you should be able to find them at any luxury-ish store, and if only a few of their frags look interesting you can just try them without paying for a full sample set.

>>18760137
>Abraaj
Anon, we've been over this. Amouage sent them to the shadow realm.

>>18759866
I hate vanilla + lavender combo so much

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I got a sample of this and I'm in love. It feels very feminine though, can I get away with it as a guy? I think I'm buying a bottle anyway though

>>18759955
>Everyone needs a little sloppa and a couple NPC pleasers in their collection
Unfortunately true.

>SOTD: Polo 67 EdT, the very dumbest dumb reach.

>>18760169
I don’t think it’s feminine. Sure, it’s not Yatagan, but it’s not La Vie Est Belle either.

Mitsouko is also known for its very prominent juicy peach opening and guys have no trouble wearing that.

I really like Kouros, Tabac and cdg Marseille. I wish I had vintage kouros. Smelling like soap is cool.

>>18760186
Try Givenchy Gentleman 1974

>>18760169
I haven't smelled it myself but based on my research it's unisex but feminine leaning. I recommend extensive testing before buying. Modern fragrances are top heavy and can be underwhelming in the base. As for wearing it as a man, I'll allow it.

>>18760016
today:
>cold day, wore ambre sultan
rest of the week:
>warmer, will probably switch between h24 and TdH

>>18760200
No

>>18760186
>I wish I had vintage kouros.
Get a vintage mini, it has great performance so you don't need a lot.

>>18760138
Then how come I have a bottle of Viking and 10ml of Enclosure?
>>18760169
Definitely wearable.
If you want something along the same peachy and overpriced line you can also try Fleur du Mal by Dries, the peach is still splendidly realistic and juicy but it leans more masculine if you ask me.

>>18759985
I have a collection of 60~ and similar to >>18759999. I’m thinking of how to decant my collection and sell some of them off. I have about 5 designer/niche I loved that I paid close to retail for after completing samples. The rest are Arabian blind buys that I curated and enjoy, but don’t necessarily want a full bottle of (at least, not so many). I’ve probably sold close to 40 fails. I’m at a point where I’m happy with what I have and am sticking to samples and pens now.

>>18759985
Now.
Still, that's not enough to stop me from buying more (fuck me).
SOTD: Terre d'Hermes EDT

>>18759872
i use the yom&layl viking clone. its pretty good, but lasts way too long for my taste

fuck it just ordered Incident Diplomatique Jovoy Paris

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Mail carriers are a total racket, man. I am pretty sure I just set the record for most expensive sample by volume.

It's costing me $270 to mail this single sample to Incense Anon. If it breaks in transit, I am going to (I feel) justifiably crash out. I'll probably laugh myself to death though if he ends up hating it.

Also, apparently all the bottles from Sergio Tacchini I ordered arrived today, so I will smell like an Italian at some point tonight or tomorrow while I go through the line up of his frags.

>>18760288
Why would you pay that much? I don't understand, you could have bought a full bottle and had it shipped to him if that was the case.

>>18760288
Does he live in Antarctica

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September release. Thoughts?

>>18760314
No thoughts until I smell it but they already have many great sweet winter frags did we really need another one?

>>18760314
Just from the 6-note breakdown it seems like a pretty generic winter date night gourmand.

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>>18760314
how is this any different from Althair?

>>18760314
my thought is it will be a clone of a more affordable fragrance

>>18760288
no way lol, at least please tell me these are not usa dollars

>>18760314
slop

>>18760288
there is no way this is the real shipping cost in USD for one sample. where does he live, the bottom of a volcano on an uninhabited island?

What are some fragrances that really smell expensive and opulent

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>>18760358
Amouage Gold Man

>>18760359
based as fuck

>>18760358
Ambre Nuit

>>18760299
I'll be honest, man. I have not been thinking straight for two days now because I have had insomnia, and my sleeping pills cause me to have sleep paralysis so I'd rather die. I was so exhausted that I thought about waiting a month or longer for it to get to him like my bottle did, and just said "Fuck it" and paid the guy. I had other shit to do. I am so fucking tired that I had to fill out the customs form seven times before I actually got it done correctly. This is something a retard can do by design and I just couldn't.
>>18760302
I'm not going to dox him. He can say where he's at, but it really isn't some obscure place. I was fucking floored.
>>18760346
>>18760351
>>18760351
These are real American dollars, brothers. I am not shitting you. I can go get the receipt from my car and mark out the tracking info tomorrow to prove it if you really want me to.

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>>18760288
Oh, also, the Sergio bottles didn't arrive. I confused Luckyscent with Fragrancenet. My Rogue bottles (Mouse, Monsieur, and Tabac Vert) arrived with the wine samples I requested. I told them what not to give me since I had already tired them.

They sent me:
>Liquides Imaginaires - Bloody Wood
>Boho Boco - Red Wine, Brown Sugar
>Ulyka Parfum - Nota Lucky
>BORNTOSTANDOUT - Drunk Lovers Extrait

I haven't tried, nor heard of any of these. The fucking Boho Boco one is so red it looks like someone pissed blood into a bottle. Anyone ever smelled these before?

I'm the anon who shook some of his frags, 10 days passed, put away all of them, only keeping track of a few edts and one edp. This stinging alcoholic smell still persist, though it might have died down a bit, depends on the bottle, after spraying and a little drying the watery edts and the one edp smells somewhat close to the original, but still perceivably off.

The problem is i'm finding nothing online about this, they have been shaken one time, like you'd do with a bottle of settled milk, and search results say it shouldn't ruin the whole thing permanently. By now they should long be back to normal, nothing is off in color or fluid state, all legit batches kept in a wardrobe, all new.
Yet they smell like fucking chernobyl paint thinner, I really don't get it.
Anyone had their frag change in smell, and if so what gypsy magic worked to return it to original?

>inb4 dump all and just buy a vintage Kouros

>>18760380
Are you sure shaking ruined them and not something else?
I saw a decant packing video on instagram from a random store and they were shaking theirs before packing, figured if they are shaking it then it can't be bad right? Or maybe they're stupid.

Here found it:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DUGqluqiPUS/

>>18760383
Every decant you've ever bought has been shaken to shit when you remember how packages are treated.

>>18760383
Can't think of anything else, all of them have the same sting to it, smells like harsh alcohol. There were air bubbles dispersing on the top. I shook them with smaller but faster movements like in the video but for 3-5 secs at best. No idea why the guy does it, or what's the purpose, but in my defense I didn't expect this result either.
And obviously, from the factory to my room it already received a lot of shakes.

My last hope (and cope) is that 1-2 weeks more, then I'll spray 5-10 out of them, let it settle for a day or two and see if the top air gets separated enough from the juice, after the apparently oxidizing experience.
Maybe my nose is more sensitive, it would explain how "certain bangers" smell bad or nothing too often.

>>18760385
Wouldn't that be true for bottles too?

>>18760392
Maybe pick one that you don't like as much and shake it a lot more see if that harsh smell becomes more potent compared to the others? Just to confirm if shaking it caused it or not.

>>18760332
Instead of white florals they use sage :)

>>18760396
nta
it is true for bottles too

got a free sample of liquid brun.

it's fine but not that great. I don't see the hype nor the justification for paying $250 for the fragrance it's cloning, assuming they are indeed as close as is often described.

>>18760502
That's a pretty big assumption to make desu.
I love my sample of Althair and my Liquid Brun sample should arrive in a week or so, I will let you know how they compare to me at least.
I don't trust those 80-90% similar stuff I see online, only my nose.

>>18760396
No, shipping companies enforce the IFRA Convention of 1998 which prohibits bottles from being shaken.

>>18760515
ok but do you think the ups or fedex driver gives a fuck?

>>18760358
I usually avoid those types of fragrances because I gravitate towards fragrances that are more casual and easy to wear. In my collection I would say Portrait of a Lady which is bright and exuberant and Oud Ispahan which is dark and moody. There is also the discontinued stuff like Patou pour Homme which is pretentious and Escada pour Homme which is earnest.

What are some entry level smoky frags?

>>18760203
It's actually the base I fell in love with I dislike leather but this was really nice to me.
>>18760218
>Fleur du Mal by Dries
will try

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>SOTD: NYI
yeah, still great

>>18760539
Maybe this is him?

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it's almost autumn, any frags you're looking forward to using, once weather finally gets cooler?

for me it's
>Hermes Bel Ami Vetiver

>>18760616
I turn on the AC and wear my cold weather fragrances to bed.

>>18760620
based all-year-roooounder

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any other dupes i should try from bujairami?

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>>18760628
>$150 on clones

>>18760631
it’s australian dollerydoos btw nothings cheap out here

>>18760302
>>18760351
I live in Italy.
Stay tuned because the story's not over.
SOTD: TdH

>>18760628
You should try some good original fragrances at this price instead of buying mystery clones of garbage bond no. 9 fragrances

fuggg anons I got too many summer decants now I'm fucked for fall

woody frags kind of bore me anyways, what are some /unique/ cool weather smells?

>>18760667
What are decants?

>>18760667
Psychedelique would work great in autumn.
Also Burning Barbershop, Casbah, Aesthete, maybe Iris Malikhan if you want something on the greener side.
Also Sauvage Elixir (just one or two sprays).

Valentino Uomo 2021 (gold sprayer) is a nice alternative to DHO. Anyone here ever try the older Uomo with the black sprayer? The gourmand notes sound appealing.

Why is JPG considered gay?

>>18760686
because le male was a big hit in gay clubs in the 90s
the fragrance itself is not particularly gay by today's standards, we have a lot sweeter and more gay men's perfumes now

>>18760687
>the fragrance itself is not particularly gay by today's standards
correct (for the OG)
>we have a lot sweeter and more gay men's perfumes now
also correct (such as Le Male Elixir)

>>18760689
yes, I agree. though I guess it's mostly teens buying Elixir, not sure what actual gays wear nowadays

>>18760686
Memes, memes about advertisement and memes about the bottle.

>>18759935
>>18759938
tldr thirdie shitskin cope

SOTD: Pluriel Masculin

>>18760682
Chad anon

>>18760699
holy based also checked

>>18760644
>lives in italy
>didn't test masque milano
shiggy diggy

>>18760358
Masculin Pluriel, Montabaco Intensivo, Musc Ravageur

I'm wearing brown velvet pants and a blue knitted tshirt so i think i can actually start using aramis again and finish the bottle
I mean it's so shitty I can't even give it away to kids but maybe the cozy autumn vibes will make it tolerable

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What's the verdict?

>>18760686
theres literally a dick bulge on the bottle

>>18760730
women like dicks

I got a mini of Toy Boy today and it smells identical to Hermann, but much fruity/punchier without any of the rainy/earthy nuances. I like it, not as much as Hermann, but the dry down is identical and there’s quite a bit of price difference between them. Toy Boy also seems to project more, which sucks about Herman. The also find it interesting there’s an overlap with my cheapie Maison Alhambra Black Orchid dupe. What to do.
>>18760686
Insecure straight and closeted men see the sex appeal of the bottle and can’t live up to it or live their truth. Seriously, it’s insane how much men get triggered by it. I think it’s very sexy and fun, perfume alone. All men have a stick up their ass, and obvs not the fun kind bc they’d probably mellow out a bit if they did.

How's Fan Your Flames Nishane?

>>18760716
It's a solid frag, that isn't overly priced from a discounter. Overrated? Sure, but most frags are. Just get it cheap. Doesn't hurt that women also tend to like it.

new>>18760680
Samples, but straight from a bottle. People (or businesses like Luckyscent) will take a bottle and then put it into variously sized containers and price them out at a lower amount. It isn't a bad way to get a partial bottle of something you don't want a full bottle of. Guys on Facebook and Reddit offer much better deals than the businesses who do it, and they'll typically do much larger ones (1, 2, 5, 10, 30ml). Getting a 10ml decant of that $300 frag you might wear twice a year is a solid way to spend your money.

>>18760400
tried that on the cheapest edt (a gift box adidas), applied 5-7 sec of shaking and sprayed before and after. the latter was a bit fresher, sprayed today and i guess it was the same in the opening but on skin its almost normal.
sprayed versace pour homme both yesterday and today for going out, it was also almost normal. really weird, i have to see if the rest are settled now.

>>18760767
I noticed the similarity to Hermann too lol. not that many rose ambroxans out there

>>18760667
Look into sweetslop, smoky incense, leather, florals, green and powdery.
>Grey Flannel
>Kouros
>Dans Tes Bras
>Angel Men
>Rose de Kandahar

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Budget friendly and affective dry, high heat layering combo. 110F and I’m in a lath and plaster house from the 20s with old windows (lets all the air out) and no central AC or ventilation. It’s actually cooler outside sometimes depending on the time of day. Senpai is huddled in the living room in front of the fans. Economy in the shitter with no ability to move. House isn’t worth investing in bc it’s a run down shed. Infinite frag budget now. Nothing matters. JEW S A BABYYYYYY!!! More data centers!!

can i wear anything from issey miyake even if im not a femboy?

>>18760874
Issey Miyake is the most auto body shop t-shirt and khaki shorts choice you could ever make.

>>18760874
Nuit d'Issey is like Antaeus for someone who vapes.

Is H24 (edt or edp) a good fit for spring? Meaning able to wear well during those spring days where it can be cold but also during those where it can feel like summer.

I caved and blind bought another middle eastern frag from burlington.
Today its Riiffs Freeze.
It smells like a dryer sheet and has that cooling effect that menthol provides.
Its not outright bad but its not really that good either. We'll see if it grows on me.

>>18760954
Oh yeah, I forgot to say, the bottle and the box are fucking phenomenal for the price. Like really nice.

>>18760954
>Its not outright bad but its not really that good either
Pretty much my experience with majority of middle eastern frags kek

>>18760912
>vapes
gross

>>18760954
I enjoy Riiff's Seasons Rise. It reminds me of Valentino BIRI but I may just be tarded

>>18760990
I just sent that out today, smelled like aerosolized plastic. It’s similar to Lattafa’s Hayaati Gold, but I actually enjoy that one because it has dimension at least.

>>18760767
interesting. i dont find them similar all that much. if anything, i find toy boy close to POAL. Hermann is rose and earthy, while Toy boy is pink pepper and rose. both great imo. i dont have any issues with hermann performing on my skin

>>18760944
i got it specifically for spring. i like green frags for spring so it felt pretty like a natural choice. i have the EDP and it's a bit heavy, so maybe more for the colder weeks. cant speak about the edt though

>>18760944
Yes, and Herbes Vives is even more appropriate for spring.

>>18760912
I don't know what this means

Does Michael Kors have any good frags?

>>18760944
Yes
>>18761003
Edt is fresher but pretty similar. Just mkre freshness, less oakmoss

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>>18760667
incense

>>18760686
have you ever looked at the bottle and ads for it?

>>18760874
yes

>>18760944
yes (witnessed)

>sotd: Chanel Egoiste
soo good

>>18760955
That's the Arab experience. It's "okay" or bad, but the bottle and packaging are very well made (if poorly designed, because... Arab taste). The general conversation I see around this is why much more expensive frags tend not to have interesting bottles, and shitty packaging when we can see the true pricing of that reflected in low cost Arab frags. Amouage (IIRC) were the ones who claimed that the new Opus bottles look like that because it was the cheapest way they could make a bottle to keep the prices "down" which is hysterical when you look at how much the Opus line goes for.

>>18761060
>Amouage (IIRC) were the ones who claimed that the new Opus bottles look like that because it was the cheapest way they could make a bottle to keep the prices "down"
no fucking way lol

>>18760708
I've tried a few Masque frags, what about them?

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>>18759582
I finally got to try Megmare and it reminds me of the smell of seashells and sweat at the beach, but that cold minerality with the animalic nuances to me it smells more like a deli counter.

>>18761060
Are there any good Arab dupe scents at all? (Not including Amouage and all that)

>>18761127
oud for glory, afnan supremacy incense, cdn milestone and sillage are good frags on their own (can't comment on how similar they are to their originals tho)

>>18759290
What's wrong with imaginary authors? They make some good stuff. Cape heartache bulls blood.

>>18761127
Yes.
>inb4 what are they
Just look up or ask about what you're interested in, otherwise it's like fishing with a spoon.

>>18761135
there's one anon that absolutely spergs out whenever they're mentioned for some reason.
julep i like. bull's blood is horrific, made me recoil.

>>18760804
blog cont.:
tried others, they seem to be ok now, it was the oxygen mixing with the oil i guess, but now after separating it seems to be 90%+ back to normal

a good frag website i ordered samples from just nuked their sample section. its anudda shoah

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>>18761135
low quality frags in low quality bottled sold with low quality bullshit "stories"

>>18761183
based