Kudu Mocha African Ranger Limited Run editionWhat do I need to care for my boots?>Old cotton t shirt (one for cleaning, another for applying conditioners)>Horsehair brush ($10-15)>Wooden shoe trees ($10-15)>Light conditioner like Lexol/Bick4/renovateur>Heavy conditioner (if you live in terrible snow/rain areas) Sno seal/Obernauf LP>Don't forget that boots need time to dry properly, rotate them and rest themHow do I deal with x stain?>mud: allow it to dry then brush off>salt: water and cloth as soon as possible>saturated wet: allow the boot to dry for a full day, stuff with newspaper>scuffs and scratches: buff vigorously with horsehair brush>Should I buy turdsdays/soloshits/doc shitans?No they are filled with synthetic materials aimed at instant comfort but will not hold up to actual use.>b-b-but muh ecelebs on youtube said they're goodno. you will waste your time and money and still have uncomfortable footwear at the end of the day. spend the extra $100 and get something real.>Are Thursdays any good?no.Manufacturer Red Flags>Luxury>Bespoke>Sustainable>Vegan>Unknown leather source>Made in Chyna/Mexico/IndonesiaBoot Red Flags>Dainite (Get vibram v-bar instead)>C*rk/C*lastic>Zippers>Non gusseted tongues>Excessive/unnecessary seams>Combination/mixed material heelsBoot Brands NO>Turdsdays>Doc Shitters/Soloshitters>any Whatsapp makers in the far east>Blkbrdprevious >>18770423
first for BOSS SEASON NOW
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>>18779574>>18779576Can't stand square toes boots. They look like Frankenstein shoes.
Bought some tactical boots for canadian winter slush. 50% off. I don't want to ruin my paramemes in the salt and slush
>>18779496Is it cringe to wear something like this if I'm not a cowboy and live in a main city in australia
best low profile pointy laceless boot? full size not ankle. have square toe cowboy already, help
>>18779742I literally wear my Pecos everywhere I go. I'm in Texas though but still, DFW is as urban/suburban as it gets
>>18779750fluevog swordfish
>>18779742it'll be cringe for a month or two until they get broken and worn in, then they'll be your boots.
>https://www.skolyx.com/p/yanko-service-boot-dark-brown-chromexSomeone recommended these last thread, are they actually good?I can't find much about the brand online at all.I'm not sure if it's just the picture but something about them looks off to me...
>>18779817the laces are weird imo but you can just replace them
>>18779817yanko makes entry level boots for entry level pricestheir lasts are old(er) and narrow(er) than some other brands but price to quality is really good>I'm not sure if it's just the picture but something about them looks off to me..the cap toe ones look better, plain toe boots need a very good last to look goodtop gear top tip: skolyx runs a nice black friday sale, so you might want to wait for that>>18779818yeah that too, flat laces read as casual to me, when the boot itself is less so
>>18779817Yanko is very much legit, I own a pair of cxl derbies from them also bought from Skolyx. Solid construction and last, very fairly priced. Though since they are cxl I'm considering upgrading to paraboot eventually just to have better patina over time but those are literally double the cost.
>>18779828>Though since they are cxl I'm considering upgrading to paraboot eventually just to have better patinaDoes chromex not age well or something?
>>18779829Typically no, it's also notoriously inconsistent. Great leather if you want durability and no maintenance.
what is the boot equivalent of bronson
>>18779828Is Paraboot known for good patinas?
>>18779850Their waxed leather ages fast but I wouldn't say they're known for it.
I wish I'd bought a half size down on my Jim Greens.
>>18779856Cxl is garbage btw
>>18779828>cxl derbies from them also bought from SkolyxI was actually looking at a pair of those...I'm confused now though, when I search elsewhere I always see people say cxl ages and patinas beautifully since it's only surface level dyed which causes the original leather color to shine through with time or something like that, is that not the case? There's so much conflicting info there, I don't get it
>>18779865Why are you replying to me?
>>18779828Post the boots then. They absolutely don't use CXL and you have no clue what you're talking about.
Why do we hate CXL all of a sudden?
>>18779878I don’t care who I’m replying to.
>>18779885/btg/ has always hated microsoft chrome excel leather you fucking newgay
>>18779888People were still all over it not even that long ago.
Why are Norwegian split toe boots not as popular as the Alden indy?Why don't the plebs and casuals like refined boots?
>>18779892The toes like cockheads with that piss hole line I don't get why anyone would want to wear this
>>18779892>smart>bootIt's a concept that shouldn't exist
>>18779894This.
>>18779841CNES maybe?
>>18779885It's fine, just like Viberg and everything else, it got way overhyped couple years back, then that turned into a ton of hate, because it inevitably didn't live up to some imaginary online expectation of "the ultimate boot leather" and the notion at that time that a budget boot was somehow elevated to greatness simply by using CXL. That was also around the time of the lockdowns when Horween couldn't supply enough of it, which played into this narrative of a coveted grail leather.The whole "CXL lottery" thing also got flipped on it's head. Initially it was about winning the lottery, because a nice tight break at the vamp was the exception and not the rule. That turned into the expectation and not getting that beautiful Instagram boot meant you got screwed over by Nick Horween himself. CXL sort of became a victim of it's own success and the reputation of "loose grain" got attached to it, mostly unfairly. It is hardly the only leather that gets a course break, but due to the fact that was the only leather the average guy recognized and the sheer volume of pics that was all people saw online. The leather is pretty unforgiving as far as clicking and shows the creasing very fast due to how soft it is. Combine that with the race to the bottom of having the cheapest CXL service boot possible meant people saw it a ton of badly clicked boots that creased fast and inconsistently.>my new shitty ass Oak Street boots look like a wrinkly ballsack, how could Horween do this to meI think people got over it mostly and are more realistic about what it is or isn't. Then again you see people now chasing after jeet boots and chinesium shell cordovan, so nothing actually really changed.
>>18779865Still parroting this reddit nonsense?
what is the best leather for boots in the 300-400 bucks segment then if cxl is shit now and ages poorly
>>18779892The Indy is on the Trubalance last which is the GOAT last. Wider toe box for maximum comfort up front, narrow heel to keep you secure and in place. And the Thomas heel really does make a difference. It's just so perfect, and it looks really nice too. Countless brands have tried to do an Indy copy and some, for example Parkhurst, came pretty close, but no one can get it right
About 10+ years ago someone on reddit decided that their less than desirable creasing on their CXL boots was "loose grain" and ever since they have been calling anything that wrinkles "loose grain"
>>18779914Red Wings Moc Toe
CXL looks like it cracks when it ages, it is not visually appealing
I like cxl cause I wear my boots like once in a blue moon for fashion and aren't actually running them into the fucking ground like some slave out in the cotton fieldsIt's much comfier than other leathers and it's real easy to get a nice shine so they always look pristine
For me it's horsebutt
>>18779912The creases and grain breaks of memexcel are horrendous. Not trusting that shit, sorry burger.
currently eyeing the black waxed commander diesel boot, how does it hold up in winter time, considering all the road salt? i dont really expect too much issue regarding snow and slush due to the wax, but is it still something to keep an eye on?
>>18779953Me too man I only buy horsebutt at least it rolls properly everything else just creases and breaks and starts looking disgusting after a few wears
>>18779752>DFW is as urban/suburban as it getsDavid Foster Wallace?
>>18779902>so nothing actually really changed.It never does, doesn't it? It's a constant cycle of hype and dissapointment.
Aren't there any good (enough) entry level boots for 100€? Maybe a chucka? Is C**rks still decent?
>>18779958Dick Fucking Wanker
>>18779981Clarks Chukkas are as good as they ever were.They are fast fashion boots you can wear for a summer and then throw in the bin.
RED WING SUCKSI TRIED BLACKSMITH AND IRON RANGERS AND THEY FEEL LIKE WALKING IN BLOCK OF CONCRETE EVEN WHEN BROKEN IN, WHY ARE THEY SO HEAVY
>>18779885cxl isn't trash but you have to be really good when cutting the hide. most brands can't accept the required wastage so you end up with "the lottery". unless you're buying from someone like viberg theres a chance your boot turns into a wrinkly ballsack
>>18779957It is not necessary to buy horse-ass. Just buy proper full-grain leather, not random industrial experiments some fat retard came up with. Shell Cordovan, Box Calf, Badalassi, Walpier, Repello, Olivvia, C-Shade, Waxed Flesh, Tuscan buffalo, Cuir Lisse, Haas, Dagermann. That’s what’s worth your money.>>18780012You fell for the meme and you deserved it.
>>18780012just add a midsole you fucking bitch
>>18780012get stronger lil bitch
>>18780068Where can I find any of that without spending 500+ dollaridoos
>>18780080not sure if retard or bait
>>18780012>>18780080What a silly samefag
>>18779817expect their cxl to crease like crazy immediately. if creases put you off, don't buy it
>>18780106Any other recommendations?I don't mind creases so much on sneakers but I think on a leather boot they'd look dogshit
Leather should wrinkle, not crease. Subtle difference.
>>18780111all leather creases nigga
>>18779496jesus christ those are really ugly, i can't believe the ugly shit you guys buy haha
>>18779892What about NST Indy’s
>>18780242That's beautiful. Meermin used to have Cordovan split toe boots too.It's sad that most /btg/ posters have shit taste and only like engineer boots because they're manlets with foot odor
>>18780253Just wear derbies you sperg
>>18780253My MTO Thorpes are my favorite NST. They’re also a true split unlike my Aldens.Also cowboy boots are the superior laceless boot.
Thoughts on Grenson?Also does anyone know the type/modell in pic related?
>>18780242Jesus Christ that pair of boots almost hurts for how awful they look.
These flavor-of-the-month leathers also have the same capacity to crease like ballsack: badalassi smooth, wickett craig.You only hear from CXL because they are popular. Expectations are misplaced when buying budget brands like wolverine and oak shit.
>>18780313oak shit > red wing = wolverine
>>18779574>>18779576They look like some old euro surplus ski boots.
I'm confused now.So what kind of boot should I get around maybe 300-400€?All the ones people said are good value are CXL or like waxed suede
>>18780329what do you need, what do you want? take your time and once black friday comes around pull the trigger.
>>18780332I want leather boots for 300-400€ that are more casual
>>18780333When in doubt buy Red Wings
>>18780340But aren't they bad
>>18780329You may have noticed something in these threads:1. Most people here are noboots retards 2. There is a very dedicated troll who loves to spread misinformation and lies
>>18780329Get Red Wings blacksmith in whichever color you fancy.
>>18780279Those look unbalanced.
>>18780341No
>>18780341Yes. Literally the only people in the world who have the guts to shill that crap on online forums are Americans. Guess why.
>>18780326You’re correct.
>>18780329You can easily get new Tricker’s for that price on the second-hand market.
>>18780333Waxed suede (suede that is impregnated with wax, rather than suede that has been coated with wax) is a good pick for a casual boot. It can handle any weather and won't require looking after for a long time. But you want to be more specific, what KIND of boot are you looking for besides just casual? Where and what do you intend to wear it with?
The red wing troll desperately wants people to take him seriously. Just wait and see how angrily he responds to my post
>>18780356I mostly just want something in brown that's not a sneaker that I can wear with chinos (beige, tan, olive, navy) and jeans (dark blue, black). I'm not gonna go hiking in them or do any real work, just normal stuff.I think I prefer more simple designs that aren't super ornate and not that dressy. Someone linked these before (https://www.skolyx.com/p/yanko-cap-toe-service-boot-dark-brown-chromex) and I quite like how they look, but all that CXL talk made me super wary and I'm really not sure what I should get now.
Sanders Craig
>>18780367>https://shoehealer.co.uk/collections/cheaney/products/cheaney-winterfold-r-brown-waxey-leather?variant=5531992401547925% off with code FALL25 and also code VAT20 to remove the VAT.
>>18780375you're still going to have to pay for the import
>>18780369Very nice.
>>18780341Your budget is entry level, at that price bracket you're gonna have to sacrifice some things.
>>18780356>suede that is impregnated with wax, rather than suede that has been coated with waxGenuinely what's the difference?
>>18780356Wouldn't that get your pants all waxy and disgusting?I've bought a waxed jacket before and after it ruined one of my favorite sweaters I never wore it again
>>18780375My Cheaneys quietly became my most expensive pair of shoes over the years after the price literally doubled Are they trying to compete in the same market segment with Trickers and C&J?
>>18780405Nope. It doesn't work that way And if your waxed jacket is waxed on the inside it means the manufacturer didn't know what they were doing and are just hopping on the waxed trend.
>>18780407Nah, it wasn't waxed on the inside. The stickiness from outside inevitably makes its way everywhere. Like my car seats had stains on them and shit.So waxed suede isn't sticky and if I rub on it with fabric it won't get anything on there?
>>18780411Not him but I have a Barbour waxed jacket and after wearing it in a heavy downpour or two it stopped leaving wax everywhere.
>>18779912wotchu talm bout willis, reddit loves chromexcel
recommendations for this 'waxed suede' gimmick that arent ugly
>>18780402I mean it's pretty self explanatory
waxed sued boots look greasy as fuck it's disgusting
>>18780432>>18780444shut the fuck up why are you even in this thread
if you want to "try" waxed sued just take some old suede belt you have lying around, if you don't have one you can take full grain and just rough the surface up a bit with sandpaper or something, and then submerge it in warm liquid wax for a few days.Take it out, brush it off, and there you go waxed sued. And yes, it ABSOLUTELY is sticky and if you have trousers you care for I really wouldn't wear them with shoes like that
>>18780454that is not at all the same thing
>>18780455that's literally how it's made
Who the fuck cares about waxed suede? lmfao
>w*xed s*ede
>>18780256>Just wear derbies
pointy fagboots
Can anyone compare the 55 last or Munson last with the Alden modified last in terms of comfort for a very high arch foot?
>>18780577Shellvedge is so fucking ugly the socks match his Habsburg looking bald face
how do you guys find your type of boots? im torn choosing between chelsea and chukka boots
>>18780610Chelseas are gay and I'm not gay so I just pick whatever isn't gay
>>18780610Buy both and then you’ll notice which ones you prefer
>>18780597Is that even a workplace? Looks like a library computer.
>>18780441Go fuck yourself
>>1878059755 last is probably your best bet when you need arch support, munson is for picky feet with width.
when are the japanese off this logger boot and engineer boot trend?
>>18780950Never
>>18780597god that creasing is disgusting
>>18781029That's just what chromexcel looks like
Can you help me ID these boots?
>>18781072I don't know but the creasing on them looks like a ballsack so it's probably CXL
>>18781076>CXLwhat's that?
>>18781077Leather that creases like a ballsack
w2c lasted shoe trees for muh whites?
>>18781077chinese xerotic leather
>>18781081Bakers had some at one point, idk if they still offer them
Since thursdays are shit, what can I find that isn't that looks similar to this?
>>18781233From Skolyx
I need alternatives in this style:https://www.terraincognita.shop/products/riven-full-grain-horsehide-ankle-boots-blackhttps://www.yitai.la/products/full-grain-horsehide-zip-boots-1Too I heard quality is ass second is apparently a scam or something
>>18781252Based, thanks
>>18781266Guidi maybe. All fashion boots are varying degrees of garbage from a price to durability perspective.
Is cheaper horsearse at all worth it or is it just going to develop ugly creases like the rest of it too?
>>18781266Yeah those are Guidi knockoffs
>>18781415if a shoe is literally painful to wear then it is either not a well made shoe or the wrong size
>>18781415I see you also got some longer jeans to go with your longer boots
>second hand red wingswhat should i look for
>>18781392Any grain leather can ballsack’d if the clicking is bad. Some unemployed faggot spent a lot of time here forcing meme, CXL being one of then. Pic is meme darling of looger larp community “double stuffed”. Horse ass is no different, Viberg consistently clicks well with horseass, other manufacturers, dont get your hope up.
>>18781425
November is coming and White's will probably do their sale. For some reason they haven't raised the prices on all their handsewn boots to the same level, and I think they'll correct this after November. Do I order some packers now while they're still a little cheaper than the rest of the handsewns, or hope they go on sale in November for an even cheaper price and risk a higher price if they don't and raise them to the same level as the others?
>>18780279grenson is in a weird market segment that makes no sensemade india but charging lower made in uk/usa pricesthere's just no reason to buy them when you can get actual made in uk/usa for similar prices (sanders for example) or you can get overseas made junk for a lot lessi don't know how they stay in business
>>18781425"Clicking" is just cope. What matters is the actual quality of the hide.
>>18780375fuck that's a really good discount
>>18781425people like you really believe that it's anything but luck
>>18781425Manufacturers really don't sort for that. They aren't going to throw leather into the dumpster just because the grain is wrong. It's really just fucking luck with what you end up, be it expensive or cheaper brands.
>>18781506just wait for black friday when it's 20% offit's a sitewide discount on all the non-NFPA certified bootstheir original packer is already after a price hike compared to last year ($725)
>>18781524They have a major line that is made in England, you retard
>>18781252how does this suede hold up for winter?
>>18781537>They aren't going to throw leather into the dumpster just because the grain is wrongwell no thats why a pair of vibergs are like $1200 nowbut starting with shit like cxl enables this
barefoot shoe fag here:how well would leather boots handle working in a bar? my shoes get very wet and tend to degrade pretty fast. i blow thru canvas sneakers in 6mo or so. i have been eyeing the jim green barefoot rangers
>>18781677Waxy commander works really good in winter. I have a pair of C&J in waxy commander that I’ve used a lot during winter
>>18781677it's not the thickest leather so you want to accommodate for thick socks
>>18781677It’s not suede, retard
Viberg: 2030, 2040, 1940 or 310?
>>18781737how can you be so completely wrong and still so confident?
>>18781747I haven’t checked the store page so I might be wrong, but it definitely looks like roughout, not suede. That’s why I’m “confident”, you American subhuman.
>>18781750youre the one acting like an american, so arrogant while admitting to not knowing a single thing
Oh, it’s WAXED suede, I was wrong, and on the heckin boot general, what a tragedy!
>>18781677Imagine asking such an unbelievably pointless and retarded question
>>18781753Being wrong was the least of your problem
>>18781768Go eat some pussy bro
>>18781761it's okay if you don't know, no need to get your panties in a twist
>>18781525Spoken like a soft hand faggot who does not work with leather.“quality” leather is not usable every inch of the surface because it used to be a living animal’s organ, maybe xcept for shell, bur even with shell, you have to account for mismatched thickness.>>18781536Boy, what do you think manufacturing is? We dont do gypsie divination here.
Who the fuck is McCoy and why the fuck is he said to be real?
Decided to check out a local store on a whim yesterday and found Picrel :) they fit perfectly which was a surprise as I wear 42D/E. >Treated with saddle soap, beeswax, mink oil.
Do "people" really buy other people's smelly old shoes?
>>18781897properly cared for leather shoes with veg tan lining have no smell, the imprint is the problem the shoe has already molded to someone else's shape
>>18781894>Oooh boy I love you so, never ever ever gonna let you go
>>18781897Yes. For reasons unknown to me.
Gonna buy Michaels, not sure which color though.
>>18781898Literally this
>>18781894Mccoy is a Japanese man, the proper way to say it in japanese is Maku Koi. He is the best shoemaker because American can’t make shits worth putting your feet into, if American larpers want boots or denim, they buy from Maku-san. He adopted the epithet “Real” because he is a fan of the La liga club Real Sociedad.
>>18781917
>>18781917Exactly.
>>18781896They looked better before.
>>18781917i have no reason to believe this isn't true
>https://rivetandhide.com/gbp/sayonara.html?type=10Decent amount of Vibergs for sale if anyone is interested
>>18779752>PecosI need to make a pecorino cheese on head pecos wearing pepe reaction pic for this occasion
>>18782024reddit moment
RRL boots? Any good?
>>18782079Likely very good but you're paying a shitload. Boots that cost half as much are already very high end and last forever, I'm not sure what you get for another 500.
>>18782090>likely very goodI'd bet a finger they use celastic toes and similar shit
>>18782091They use Cheaney and Rios of Mercedes as their partners.
>>18782093So?
>>18782094So basically chop off your finger and post proof you muppet
>>18782096Rios of Mercedes is a literally who and Cheaney also uses celastic toes, so what's your point exactly?
>>18779496found these vintage scarpas on depop. thoughts? should I?
>>18782079Cheaney made boots for $1000. You're better of buying Cheaney, C&J or Tlb.
>>18779496buttero mogs all the dogshit in this thread
>>18782113Buttero leather, yes, 100%. Buttero brand, no.
>>18780242Visually confused boots there. Looks like cheap 3 piece construction, doesn't even hide the stiching like they arent even embarassed. They make a moc which is by all accounts cheaper construction and more casual and then they decided to shine them up like they're dress boots. What a confused looking pair of boots
>>18782111Imagine spending $100 on used shoes
>>18782111If you want hiking boots I'm really not sure why you'd get anything but Limmer.
>>18782155Indy boots are shit in fact
>>18782160>anything but LimmerLeCortina is even superior, but you have obviously never heard of them.
Why do /fa/ hate thusday boots? Its the perfect rugged boot
>>18782190Hi Stridewise!
Walked too much in new boots I haven't broken in yet and got blisters :(
>>18782305Happens brother. I recommend moleskin patches for the rubbing areas. Regular bandaids fall off too easily
give me the quick rundown on pebbled grain
>>18782316Feels nice and is a nice change from smooth leather My go-to dress shoes are pebble grained NST derbies from TLB
>>18782079they're whitelabeled boots so you're better off going to the original manufacturers
for me it's horsebutt
>>18782362kek never seen it that bad but shinki horsebutt seems to have more loose grain than other horsebutt. Seen some pretty bad shinki Lofgrens too. What’s going on? Can the Japanese not into horsebutt?
>>18782362bbl recipient horsethats cxl tier
>>18782155Why would they hide the stitching? The stitching is the main aesthetic feature of NSTs and Mocs.
>>18782450hes retarded and knows about blind stitching but doesnt understand time and placeignore
>>18782362>>18782428Think I got a bit unlucky with the creasing/rolling on mine, the pictures I've seen online of other people's worn and patinaed horseass boots from Addict look better.I believe they get their horsebutt from Maryam though.
>>18782362Looks like someone got scammed by Indonesians
>>18781233Grant stone is selling one for $395
>>18782362This is what Im talking about. The manufacturer has to click correctly, otherwise, any tanneries name brand mean jack shit.
>>18782530Okay, but do you know any that aren't made by chinks or browns?
>>18782560>can you recommend a lower quality productretard alert
>>18782622No chinks. No browns.
>>18782626says the man without shoes
>>18782560Yanko >>18781252 are made in Spain. White enough?Yanko >>18781252 are made in Spain. Not sure if white enough.
>>18779500Do boots with collapsed shafts like that feel uncomfortable? It looks like it would feel bad unless you had really thick socks on.
>>18782673not at all the shaft isn't tight at all the main parts that makes the boot fit is the front of the throat and the backstay the shaft is actually just kinda there unless you got real fat lower calves or something
Viberg are so sure you're going to cream your jorts they can't be assed to wait and make a few pairs to photograph before taking your money.
>>18782703>vibergBuy them if you're desperate for attention and validation.
>>18782703Viberg is so fucking embarrassing as a company Only Dalton was more embarrassing as a PNW brand
>>18782709From who? No one bother irl boot autists would ever know what they are And those types are not as common and you think
>>18782710I think Viberg is consciously trying to move upmarket. As office dress codes become more lax it's become somewhat popular to wear alternatives to formal shoes in the office. The 2030 fits in this space nicely and people are willing to pay, so of course they're chasing the money. Why else would they branch out into lines of more formal shoes and open a store in NYC.I own a few pairs that I bought 3-4 years ago. >>18782709 would probably call me an attention whore, but I like the look and the fit. I don't expect attention and for the most part don't receive any, but the Vibergs are the only footwear I've ever actually gotten compliments on, so take that for what it's worth.All that said, Viberg's greed is just becoming more and more apparent. They're really trying to milk their past reputation for all it's worth.
>>18782709That doesn’t even make sense. No one’s gonna find out that you’re wearing Viberg since there’s no label or brand name on the boots.
>>18782546clicking is fake and manufacturers don't matter bro totally just luck of the drawlightning doesn't strike twice in the same place, or does it?
>>18782737their prices have gone out of controlshell vibergs used to cost $1k retail around 2020/21 vs a regular service boot $750today their shell costs $2,25k and their regular service boot $1300so a regular $250-300 upcharge for shell, which is pretty standard for across the board became a cool $1k upchargeare they using 3-4x more shell now?brett viberg saw that the shell pre-orders were selling out in minutes just to be put on ebay/reddit by flippers for profit and said to himself why don't i just do that myself lmao if people are willing to pay that muchit's market pricing
>>18782779Pretty much spot on. As long as they keep selling out the prices will keep rising.
>>18782754how do you crease the toe tip?shipping out cxl as horse
>>18782703this should be illegal
>>18782703Can't this AI cancer fuck off already? AI mockup for boots, really? kys viberg you faggot bitch.
>>18783011This
