What is your opinion on semaglutide? On the surface it looks magical. On one hand it can help people with obesity, (pre)diabetes etc without major side effects. On the other hand there are some second order effects which are hard to ignore. Losing weight has been associated with conscious and rigorous effort, now people can bask in the same compliments without putting in actual work. Fatness was a good indicator of personality as well, associated with low self respect, laziness etc. Further, now the HAES people have no excuses to to fall back on. People will not put up with fat partners and thinspo is back on the menu. However, there is a good chance that besides raising the bar it will fuel hoeflation further. GLP-1 medication is more and more frequently cited in divorce groups.
>pre diabetes>takes diabetic medicine anywayWhy are americlaps like this
>>77285054The main issue I see with these things is that people are completely dependent on them for getting down to a lower bodyweight - they won't be able to sustain that once they reach their goal because they didn't learn jack shit about healthy eating or exercise, and relied solely on jabs The better way is to learn what foods are good, what foods you should avoid, get 10k steps a day minimum, few days a week put in work at gym and just generally learn what normal portion sizes look like. Fat people have the issue of believing an entire plate full of fries is a normal portion, they have no idea it's way too much. Just like the skinny people who claim to have a fast metabolism who think literally 12 fries and half a chicken breast is a normal size meal. People need to learn this.
you will pay the price for your lard brain being unable to just put the fork down, so you inject this mystery juice
>>77285058yep, this is pharma shenanigans so GPs can prescribe as much GLP-1 as possible>>77285060somewhat agree, but there is a huge mental effect of slimming down. Once they reach their desired bw, get more confident, command more respect etc they will hopefully think twice about ballooning up again. Also, people don't just put 10-20-50 kgs of fat instantly. Worst case, for all we know, the can inject science indefinitely too>>77285068says the anon running 20 supplements daily. I'm not here defending (((bigpharma))) but there are certainly worse things people can abuse
I used saxenda for 3 months or so. At first it worked incredibly well to the point that I was at like 15% of the maximal daily dose and not needing to increase it at all. But eventually it stopped working altogether. It was like I wasn't even taking it at all. I stopped at that point cause it's very expensive. I tried it again maybe 3 months later and at that point it didn't work at al. I've never heard of people developing a tolerance but I guess it does happen.
>>77285054>without putting in actual workIgnorant. GLP-1 use is no walk in the park. You are constantly fatigued and basically have to stick to a liquid only diet to avoid puking all the time. Its hard as hell to maintain your muscle while losing weight on it because you are literally consuming next to zero calories for days on end. What about that sounds easy to you?
>>77285662Had none of those side effects
>>77285672Then you were on some pussy dose
>>77285680I was at the max dose of Saxenda cause I bumped it up since it stopped working >>77285100 inb4 saxenda is a pussy glp 1
>>77285681Yeah your shit doesnt even count don't reply to me
>>77285683Bitchmade pussy can't handle drugs used by 60 old women lmfao get fucked
Only a complete lazy piece of shit would take dangerous drugs over just eating less and cleaner and working out every day
>>77285691Says the 35% bf to the 12% bf
>>77285054I work for a company that sells these online. We have doctors that can check your application and photos and can prescribe and sell them.The reality is that they are not good for you, but being fat is one of the worst things you can do to your body, so getting to normal weight is top priority.Everyone here saying that "people should just learn how to get thin by nutrition and exercised :) " are fucking dumbasses because if it was that easy, obesity would be fixed. These people have an addiction and can't solve it that easily. You can obviously chastise them for their life choices and lack of willpower, but it doesn't change the fact that they will NEVER get thin without help.Someone that halved their body weight from 160kgs to 80kgs has likely added 10 to 20 more years of life if they keep it up and if early enough.The only thing that I am going to add is that I have seen people that really don't need it ask for it for no reason. I'm talking about women (that have never been fat) with BMI of 20 (healthy range for women is 19 to 25) asking for weight loss medication. It's clearly not meant for them and thankfully the doctors straight up reject and refund the money to anyone that is at normal BMI.But this means it became so mainstream that people are just thinking its a solution for everything, even if they are just bloated and gained 3kgs over christmas, which is retarded. Its kinda like an average kid that got bullied jumping onto roids thinking it will fix his social life.It's really harsh on the body, and it can actually lead to being underweight, which ironically is even more dangerous than being overweight.That said, its saving a ton of lives (or prolonging them) and improving people's lives. That's undeniable.
>>77285662>>77285680God, you sound like a faggot. Learn to count calories and hit the gym, do your cardio, porky
Another totally natural gibs me your opinion on glp-1/peptides thread
>>77285662I take Mounjaro for months and all you said is a fucking lie.You can have normal food just fine, you are just a bit nauseous at times and naturally avoid overeating or eating certain foods (like fatty/greasy stuff) or you risk vomiting. You adapt to it within a few weeks on it.You also dont eat "next to zero" calories, that's ridiculous.In fact some people are so food addicted that they don't lose any weight because they are still overeating while on GLP1. You still have to control your food intake, the drug just makes you less hungry and think less about eating.Stop lying.
>>77286062>>77286049I guess I'm just dosing like someone who wants to lose weight while you all are taking doctor recommended pussy doses
>>77285054It's a tool, you still have to make the changes to your lifestyle still or you end up looking like death or rebound hard. You need to exercise to keep as much muscle as possible, you need to fix your eating habits, etc. There are so many other benefits to the various GLPs/Peptides that they're almost like a longevity drugs, but the issue is the abuse they've already seen as being just for easy weight loss... while embracing that loss to an unhealthy degree. It's to the point that the other benefits they bring people literally don't even know about... it's just about the weight loss.
>>77285087>says the anon running 20 supplements dailydon't make things up about me, fat pig. to lose fat, you simply need to put the fork down
Actually crazy how the entire world has psyop'd themselves into thinking you need fatloss drugs to lose fat lol"MUH HUNGER I CANT CONTROL U JUST DONT UNDERSTAND" - no I do understand, you have grown weak like the rest of the general population, you have 0 willpower, 0 dedication, 0 work ethic, you're a pathetic retarded goy like the vast majority of people.
>>77286431I cut from 100kg to 75kg at 6’2” naturally and even did 3 day water fasts during that time, naturallyYesterday I did my first dose of 0.5mg retatrutide because I want to be lean and when I tried to do it naturally I couldn’t sleep. I dont care about the hunger during the day but the fact that I was staying awake for multiple nights had a significantly negative impact and I’d rather be able to sleep than not use GLPs so that gym rotters wont tell me “but what about discipline saar”
>>77286431Like saying “dont use glps saar just starve yourself and dont sleep” is like saying dont use glasses, dont use medicine for your health issues etc. if something is available and does not have serious negative impacts then there is no reason not to use it
>>77285087>>7728641920 supplements a day is so casual-tier'd that even the twinkish cryobabby Bryan Johnthin b suppl-moggin yo ass. I'm on over 100 and frame-mogging him, still getting frame-mogged by Smaev but I'm waaay youth-mogging him.>t. not a hammy pepe user, eating an ice cream sandwich and then some glucose disposal agents
>>77285054It makes everyone's face look like that ballerina's face who injected shit in tp her legs and ripped the rotting nerves out so she could get them amputated. During her psychosis her eyes looed lime they mivrated to her temples and her face sagging off the skull. Ozempuc gives that face. Fuck that shit, just exercise more and quit eating garbage.>>77286467Fuck off weimarian bugman
>>77286483how am i “weimarian” you fucking pajeet? i already told you that i did 3 day water fasts, i consumed nothing but water but somehow i have no “willpower” because i dont want to suffer from chronic insomnia? this nigga expects me to stay off reta and wake up every night at 3AM just so that i can earn my good boy badge from him JFL
>>77286483also its not ozempic that caused the face you fucking retard, its that obese people have stretched their skin out by being obese and when they loose significant weight the destruction of their skin becomes apparent. The reason that you notice this more on ozempic former fat niggers is that most obese niggers never lose their weight and since ozempic is effective you have more obese niggers turning thinand as i said i WILL use reta to get from 16% bf to 12% bf without suffering from insomnia and you can do nothing to stop me nigger
>>77286568disclaimer: my usage of the word nigger has no racial connotations, I called this guy a nigger because he is a retard not because i surmise that he is of african descent, on the contrary i suppose that he is white like me. i have no problem with black people whatsoever
>>77285068>>77285060You're retarded.
>>77285691Post physique (you won't and we all know why)
>>77286036>It's really harsh on the bodyHow so?
>>77286343Of course. Probably retards trying to microdise" because everything is scawwy and they fear any risk
>>77286578Kill all niggers
>>77286657Kikes want to divide us and make us hate each other based on racial differences. The slave ships were owned by kikes, it was kikes who spread the anti-black sentiment amongst whites and the anti-white sentiment amongst blacks so that we would continue tearing each other apart and never notice what they do to us. Black people are not my enemy
>>77286666Kill all black people and gas every kike
>>77286679fucking retard you are literally being the top goy by behaving this way. kikes taught you to feel animosity for black people and they taught black people to feel animosity for you so that there would be a never ending cycle of hatred and that we would never look up and see what the kikes are doing to us.
>>77286689Blacks hate you, you're the retard by thinking that your peaceful stance will appease them. Blacks know the deal, you are the delusional one (most white goyim are). That's why you're a goy.
>>77286697Black people hate me because the kikes infiltrated their minds, just like they infiltrated your mind and made you hate black people. By refusing to feel animosity towards black people I am effectively putting a halt to the never ending cycle of hatred and animosity that the kikes have us under. This isn’t a woke BLM shit stance, its the recognition of the trap that kikes have put us under.
>>77286708You're trying to be a clever little boy who's above it all. Goyim like to play that game.
>>77286468>if something is available and does not have serious negative impacts then there is no reason not to use itI´d say not needing it is a reason
>>77285054Enjoy your brittle bones
>>77286733I'd say kys retard.
>>77286733but i do need it mate, because i want to reach 12% and every time that i attempt to get down from 16% i end up with insane insomnia that remains consistent for multiple days until i eventually cannot stand it any more and relapse. i argue that the insomnia that i get has a significantly more negative impact on my body than any potential reta side effect, and the fact that trying to drop from 16% to 12% for months has been consuming my life and made me waste time means that with reta i can finally resolve this issue painlessly and focus my attention on other things
>>77286733to give you an idea of how serious the insomnia gets one night i took 300mg of pregabalin without having used it for at least 1 week and i still woke up at like 4 AM
>>77286805Lyricas not a sleeping aid you fag you're supposed to have fun on it
I hope they make it free for extremely fat people. Maybe I can get my landwhale bum sister on it before she becomes too fat to walk.
>>77286810i am not a degenerate druggie you fucking faggot i can use pregab any way i want and the way i wanna use it is as a sleeping aid, the literature has established that it improves sleep quality
>>77286815You're gay and so is your literature fuck you pussy Muh reta insomnia lmaooooo
>>77286818This my forearm at 6’2” with long limbs and a 6’4” wingspanpost yours lil faggot, bet that you are indian and 5’7”
>>77286823>dyel midget arm with heavy foreshortening
>>77286823More like 5'2 lmaoo
>>77286825still no forearm posted. you are a lil pajeet coward & a manlet talking shit behind your screen “saar your forearm is dyel and you also use foreshortening” nice cognitive dissonance pajeet, you are not worth of my time
>>77286831samefagging thats my last reply to you lil pajeet go cry somewhere else
>>77286832You need to eat and lift faggot skelly
>>77286837no matter how many times you samefag you wont change reality lil pajeet JFL
>>77286818>>77286825>>77286831>>77286837samefag
>>77286845Dyel skelly
>>77286825>>77286831>>77286837Samefagging>>77286823>>77286832Roidtranny && reddit spacing
>>77286859post your forearm lil coward pajeet and stop hiding behind 10 samefagging posts like the little coward indian bitch that you are>>77286862i have never used anabolic steroids in my life and i’d never ever use them
>>77286864>muh forearmDyel retard
>>77286036Thanks for the serious and rational take. I completely agree with you, these drugs are helping people in need for the most part and I'm very happy for them. Just a couple of years ago bariatric surgery was literally advertised on tv by the dr Now guy. Night and day.Still, just like roids, it feels like cheating and/or diminishes the accomplishment of people sticking to exercise and a good diet>muh strength>muh willpower>muh work ethicall long tail cope. In fact, as you said, now that the drugs can be same day delivered the temptation to opt in will sway a lot of otherwise capable folks
>>77286343>You guys aren't as cool as I am because I am doing MORE weight loss drugs than youHoly cringe, imagine being proud of doing maximum dosages of GLP1Yes anon, you are so based and cool for overdosing yourself with weight loss drugs like a horse against doctor recommendations until you vomit yourself. I'm sure this will have no consequences to your body in the future.Let tell you a secret - the weight loss doesnt come from the drug, it comes from you eating less. the drug just helps you do that by making you less hungry. The drug doesnt magically make your fat cells disappear. Doing more drugs does not mean more weight loss, because you are still bound to CICO rules. It's not like roiders that go beyond human limit when they blast, all you are doing is being a normal non fat person. You really shouldn't need maximum dosages for that, and if you do, you are not trying at all, you are just expecting the drug to do everything for you.
>>77286907Cope retard
>>77286910you have completely shitted up this thread with your seething and samefagging pajeet, dont you have anywhere else to cry
>>77285100GLP-1 tolerance is part of how you become obese to begin with. Your body produces GLP-1s to indicate you're full. Eventually you develop a tolerance to it and eat more.
>>77286917t. to pussy to take a normal dose of glp1Ok faggot, glad you're upset, I'm here to stay.
>>77286919That's pseudoscience, you're retarded
>>77286921i hate your “people” so fucking much, the internet was so cozy and kino before your disgusting kind gained access to it and ruined everything
>>77286926awwwww too bad you're such a pussy you're scared of pinning a reta dose, nevermind doing anything riskier. Faggot
>>77286648The side effects include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, constipation, stomach pain.indigestion. There are just the light ones, but they can be really pronounced - to a point where if work without quick access to a toilet (like you need to drive a lot or something), it might be a serious problem for you to need to shit yourself every 30 minutes. This is not present on everyone, most people will be fine after 1 or 2 months unless they are doing maximum allowed dosages.We don't really have enough data on the more long term ones because its so recent.I do know that anyone with possible pancreas problems is not allowed to take it at all and the doctors will instantly refuse it, so there is some connection there. Also pregnant women cannot take it, but i assume its because you want women to eat during pregnancy to feed the baby.>>77286903Its a medical advance like many others. We are talking about significantly reducing worldwide obesity, which is gonna save a lot of lives. Obesity is one of the biggest health problems of current world. Heart attacks are the number 1 cause of death, and we know the obvious links between obesity and heath issues.I fully understand why this board would hate the concept - you work hard to get there and some people are paying to reach the same goal. Its completely valid and I sympathize with it.But most fat people would never recover without help, and now they are able to live a proper dignified "normal" life because of GLP1. If we put aside the 4chan extremist "fat people should die" and look at it from a humane standpoint, then its a huge improvement.Even if you want to disregard the humanity thing, it also has some additional benefits that are harder to track, at least for now - Less fat people means less doctors treating fat people, less money going to healthcare to help them, etc.
>>77286825>>77286831>>77286928Go be an indian somewhere else we dont like your kind here
>>77286942Those aren't significant side effects you dumb faggot.>we don't have le enough dataThen stfu retard, why are you running your mouth
>>77286967Kys turdjeet
>>77286970>arguing against shit people never saidAre you mentally handicapped? I never said there were significant side effects, I said its "not good for you" and "really harsh on the body", which it is. It slows down your whole digestive system so you feel nauseous and bloated all the time, which naturally makes you not want to eat. But as far as we know, it doesn't kill you.
>>77285054We will see a catrasophic wave of side effects coming years from now due to this shit. There is no such thing as a miracle cure. Some people already suffer long term gasto issues because of it.Yes being fat is also unhealthy, but injecting some trash that makes you starve will absolutely cause its own issues.
>>77286997>muh just world fallacy>>77286993Yeah, so what you posted was bs>it's hArD oN ure bOdY>how so?>eRm i dunno iT jUsT iS oKaY?!
>>77287002Whatever you say Ranesh
Too expensive and nasty sideffectsOnly take this when you‘re humongous and everything else failed
>>77285054>What is your opinion on semaglutide?It's poison for degenerates who don't know better.
>>77287019You're retarded if you can't get it cheap.Literally too low iq
>>77285054I know a fat guy on sema wrote this but thin people actually think like this.
>>77285060>they won't be able to sustain that once they reach their goal because they didn't learn jack shit about healthy eating or exercise, and relied solely on jabsWhat is up with npc and not understanding that you can take GLP1 medication indefinitely?
>>77286036>The reality is that they are not good for youHundreds of studies across the world prove that yes, GLP1 are indeed good for you even if you are at a normal weight.
>>77286997>We will see a catrasophic wave of side effects coming years from now due to this shit.20 years of clinical use and all we saw was fat people and diabetics becoming healthier. Your worldview is getting shattered.
I've been diagnosed with the betus and now have to inject insulin 4+ times a day, shit sucks.This looks gay tho.
Half the posts in this thread have been made by ONE single pajeet samefagging and ragebaiting and all of you faggots have fallen for the ragebait.
>>77285054At least try keto or IF before these slop drugs.At the very very least, if you do one thing, cut out added sugar.See ya later.
>>77287093Sure if you're happy to keep paying for that shit, which is expensive, and if you're happy to keep dealing with side effects forever. I constantly felt sick when I was taking monjuaro and got light headed whenever I stood up after sitting for longer than 10 minutes.Best case scenario is to take GLP1 to assist in weight loss, and while you're at it begin making healthy meals and doing regular weight training and cardio, then stop taking it once you're at your goal weight and keep the weight off with diet and hard work. I've stayed around 190lbs for over a year now, while I was over 300 before monjuaro. You definitely don't wanna be taking it indefinitely, you'll feel like crap and won't be able to maintain a fit and healthy physique. The goal is not to be emaciated Auschwitz mode with this
>>77286814>make it free for extremely fat people.Not just free, if you're over a certain % body fat it should be mandatory to be on any sort of welfare.
>>77285054Outdated discussion. Why would anyone take sema instead of tirz nowadays?
>>77285054One of the best medical inventions that became readily available in this century. Some people are literally so fat and retarded they can't lose weight on their own. No amount of dietary information or knowledge about how bad being fat is will actually make them change their diet and permanently commit to it. There can be a few different reasons. Addiction is one, it can come in the form of binge eating, stress eating, or lack of impulse control.Others have knowledge but struggle and will constantly diet down, fall off the diet, regain, diet down etc usually within the obese weight range. Some people just need this stuff to suppress their hunger and not be obese.The counter arguments to this are often centered around people who can diet and can exercise. Jealousy that maintaining a healthy physique can no longer be as easily gatekept. While that's true, it's overall better as a whole for society. Fat slobs taking up way too much physical space isn't a good thing. Filling up the hospitals. I wonder what big pharma in 10 years will do when nobody needs 4 different heart meds to survive at 400lbs. The disadvantage to those people is that they have to spend their money on a drug that probably will rise in price over time to replace the profits off of other meds that won't be as common.>>77287295Part of the effect is the diet itself. If you're in a caloric deficit you're going to feel tired. If your weight loss is too fast you will lose a bunch of muscle too which will lower your BMR even further. Tirz and reta resolve the constant sickness issues by adding in other mechanisms that let you use much less GLP-1 (nausea inducing). Tirz is the best in general for feel and side effect profile. Reta has some weird side effects that people report. You do get better results on it but it doesn't feel as good. I would suggest reta for the last 10-20 lbs of your weight loss because it will boost back your metabolism, and tirz otherwise.
>>77285054>Losing weight has been associated with conscious and rigorous effort, now people can bask in the same compliments without putting in actual work. Fatness was a good indicator of personality as well, associated with low self respect, laziness etc.That was always a myth buddy. #1 cause of fatness is a poor intestinal microbiome. This affects everything inlcuding how psychologically hard it is for you to not eat. You're not a better person for being thin, healthier yes but not better. It was all caused by the bacteria in your gut.
