So what's the truth?Normie/mainstreamfags say the sun causes skin cancer, so stay out of the sun and when exposed always use powerful sunscreen.Contrarianfags say sunscreen is toxic and causes cancers (usually some kind of internal cancer), avoid that shit like the plague, that perhaps baking like a lobster for 8 hours every day of the summer isn't good, but normal incidental sun exposure from being out and enjoying the weather, paying sports, playing with the kids, dining al fresco etc is perfectly healthy.I've basically taken a stand on every single other health issue (right or wrong, time will tell), but I still have no clue who to believe when it comes to sunscreen/sun.
>>77289179its not about cancer, its about UV rays destroying your skin. the primary cause of visible skin aging is UV exposure.
>>77289179Low UV rating = good and get your sunHigh UV rating = potentially harmful, sunburns owie. Limit exposure
I usually wear a hat, but have not done so the last few weeks. Swear the top of my head just aged 5 years.
sometimes you can't really avoid the sun, like when on a hike, and you can dress like a muslim woman and sweat like a hog or you can wear a hat and put some sunscreen on your face. A bit of sun exposure is healthy but not for hours at a time, last week I was at a BBQ where I thought we would eat in the shade and I ended up with half of my forehead burned, it's not pleasant. Wearing sunscreen every day even if you spend most of the time inside or in the shade seems silly to me, but it's basically necessary in other contexts
>>77289179The sun is only nocive if you live in the equator or north pole getting full blast rays at peak sunlightIt literally heals you by activating your vitamin D synthesis. The people who tell you to slather sunscreen on your body are the mentally ill type who unironically believe you can look 20 forever
>>77289179You should definitely believe the anonymous, sourceless people on 4chan claiming the stuff directly causes cancer and not use it
>>77289387This but unironicallyAnon=nothing to loseDoctor=gets fired if too contrarian
>>77289200You people are like vampires in the sun. I cant relate
>>77289179The sun provides many metabolic functions when exposed to UV, but that same range of UV is also harmful to skin. When cells die (like due to exposure to UV), the load of cell contents in the bloodstream can affect internal systems. In general, you should either limit sun exposure during peak intensity hours (usually between ~11am-3pm depending on how far north/south you are) or wear sun protection when out during these hours. There's several kinds of skin protection: long flowy white fabric like a robe, wide brimmed hats that keep shade, and sunscreen. There are two kinds of sunscreen, organic and mineral. Organic sunscreen contains lots of aromatic compounds with conjugated pi bonds to absorb UV light and emit IR. Mineral sunscreens work the same way, but usually use a zinc compound which absorbs UV in the same range (similar bond strength to a conjugated pi system). The difference between these are simple: mineral sunscreens are insoluble and wash off with little/no absorption, but organic ones are bioavailable, and cause cancer. Additionally, higher SPF is not correlated with much more protection, because it's a logarithmic scale (you need 10x more SPF to block twice as much sun). This means the ideal scenario for someone who has to be out of the house at 11am-3pm on a sunny day would be to be wearing long white robes, a wide brimmed hat, and a light coating of low SPF mineral sunscreen.t. undergrad in physical chemistry; masters in analytical chemistry, and photochemistry.
Dont listen to americans or white people about skin care. If you want to know about protecting your skin you find the most autistic people obsessed with it. Koreans.UV protection is the number 1 most important factor out of everything to preserve youth and skin quality/health.American sunscreen brands are garbage literally toxic trash. Use only Korean brand serum type sunscreens, which will change your relationship with the substance sincr they are easy and pleasant to use, and wont poison you.
>>77289179UV rays create cancer in humans that'as a fact, Certains sunscreens are toxic though, you have to use MINERAL based suncreens they are safe
>>77289436>counterpoint workout - EltaMD UV Sport Sunscreen Lotion SPF 50daily - La Roche-Posay Toleriane Double Repair Matte Face Moisturizerhttps://a.co/d/0fNv8yK4https://a.co/d/05me698V
>>77289188Gay shut in retard, please see:>>77289210Based
>>77289210because you used unironically im gonna dismiss everything else you said
>>77289210>two things can't be true at onceare you a child, perhaps?
>>77289179Sun exposure short of a sunburn is probably not carcinogenic, but one poster on here a few summers back got eventually inoperable skin cancer from tanning heavily for only a few days in a row.Zinc oxide sunscreens are only seriously toxic to cancer cells, but I'd skip all the goy-oil ones derived from petroleum that are widely documented to be endocrine disruptors.Also skin cancer clinical trials b kinda goin' off the chain, and if you don't get it within the next few years you probably won't manage to die of it.
Sunscreen is the cause of the uptick in skin cancer since it was invented.
>>77289179>sun burn exists>retards dont believe in itThe saying too much of anything is bad for you should be applied to every situation. Just dont be a retard, its not comfortable if you decide you want your skin peeling because you wanted to get sun burnt every single day.
>>77289518Few people even use it often or use it properlyThe single poor application when they go to the beach is the problem and not the sun all the rest of the time?
>>77289524Fake and gay.
>>77289518i live in florida and everyone just buys whatever sunscreen they pick up while stopping by a publix on the way to the beach. nobody has skin cancer here and nobody gets sun burned. i think its just you dyels who make a big deal out of everything without actually going outside
>>77289535>Florida ranks second in the U.S. for skin cancer incidence, with more than 8,000 new cases diagnosed each year.
>>77289541go live a life loser
>>77289407it's not like I have to completely avoid the sun I just can't be blasted by it for 6 hours straight without some protection, I wasn't engineered for naked cotton picking
>>77289535>t.
>>77289541the benefits of sun exposure outweighs the negatives. skin cancer is a nothing burger, the "victims" of it live longer and healthier.>but I don't want wrinklesfeminine mindset
>>77289583thats why we use sunscreen you dork. this wont happen if you use strong sunscreen, this only happens to people that use the weak ones to get tan. you only see this in only people who think getting tan will somehow make them look younger
>>77289436I live in JapanBoth Japanese and Korean brands are worse than US and European brands because the east has absolutely zero knowledge of heavy metal poisoning and not even major brands are being tested by average consumers here.Thinking that oriental brands are somehow better is baka gaijin level retarded.At least US brands there are dozens of consumer groups and blogs that are sending these products in for actual lab testing on toxinsSomething like 90% of major US sunscreen brands have exceedingly high levels of heavy metal contaminantsMy advice is to avoid outside where possible. When you do need to go outside, dress like an asian grandma in all black or use a UV umbrella. I use an umbrella.If you do need to use sunscreen, use it sparingly and wash it off as soon as you can.
>>77289635yea ur a dyel, nobody gives this much of a shit about something as nerdy as this. worry about your animes more
>>77289599>skin cancer is a nothing burgerSkin cancer is a nothing burger if you're a shitskinWhite people have a very high chance of getting skin cancer with repeated sun exposure. This is a major issue for us.
>>77289642its only the nerds that care on both sides. if you are just a regular person who lives out a regular healthy life, you apply whatever sunscreen and go do whatever. if you are some nerd who cares about a bunch of numbers, then you argue about it online.
The truth is that people that live in dangerously hot climates just cover up. Sunscreen has its uses, but a wide brim hat, long sleeve polyester shirt, hiking pants, and sunglasses, goes a long way.
>>77289649yea if youre doing outdoor work or live in the middle east. everyone else who goes swimming or hiking just puts on some sunscreen and has no problems with it.
>>77289648Stop replying to my posts you fucking pajeet.
>>77289653sure thing, ill let you have the last reply if it makes you feel better. go ahead and keep arguing numbers online geek
>>77289642isn't it just an easily removed mole in most cases?
>>77289651No they don't lol. There's a reason why everyone who works outside doing labor generally wear long sleeves and hats. Not to mention traditional middle eastern wear is light linen that covers most of the body
If youre in the sun for under an hour don't worry about it. But if you plan to spend the day outside with minimal shade absolutely use 60fps. Apply it every few hours or so and you wont burn. I went to Mexico last year coming from the harsh Canadian winter pasty as fuck and I didnt burn anywhere. I was paranoid about getting 1 bad burn and ruining the rest of my trip
>>77289517Post body
>>77289638post body
skin cancer is unironically caused by seed oils oxidative stressThere's a reason places like the netherlands with minimal sun get it yet balkans have relatively low rates while being as pale and sunnier
>>77289662yea if youre doing outdoor work or live in the middle east. everyone else who goes swimming or hiking just puts on some sunscreen and has no problems with it.
>>77289663>60fpsI've heard that the human eye can only see at 24fpsNo but jokes aside wasn't 50 the max? I don't think I've ever seen a 60 cream
>>77289673>>77289677nobody gives a shit about your dork studies, go to the beach, put on some sunscreen, live a little you geeks.
>>77289686What studies ? Not using sunscreen thoAnd you're not posting body either
>>77289686>no body posted>talking about things nobody saidI accept your concession
SPF is a multiplier/division. 10SPF means you are going to be 10 times less red than without.50? 50 times less red.5 or 10 is good unless you are trying to tan.At the least 30 for irritated or inflamed skin.50 is a meme unless you live far enough South
>>77289179>So what's the truth?Sun before 10 am goodSun after 4 pm goodEvery other sun badReputable sunscreen brands good
>>77289635>dress in all blackreally? why not all white? i was told black absorbs UV, while white reflects much of it>>77289651>>77289682>go hiking, just wear sunscreen bro! covering up is for thirdie shitskins!enjoy your tick bites and lyme disease
>>77289188UV is just a trivial stressor, it's metabolic damage from modern food that stops the body from being able to repair the damage. We have years of evidence of vegan ageing now to prove this. They use sunscreen obsessively and yet age terribly, their skin doesn't tan properly it burns and goes gray. It's not just about collagen requiring nutrients from ancient foods that don't exist in modern foods, it's also that the ability to tolerate the sun itself is contingent on retinol and cholesterol.
>>77290094>you need to enter the vagina at this precise angle or she wont cum!have fun discussing a bunch of nerd shit numbers that doesnt matter at all
>>77290121>things nobody saidare you fucking retarded or something?
>>77289635This isnt true. Koreans are super autistic and obsessed with it especially the women. Their products are world renowned and safe. The problem is chinese trash that uses same branding being sold in cheap knockoff online stores, which is poison.
>>77290123>you need to use these precise numbers like a geek!
>>77290232theyre super autistic and obsessed with the 'beauty' aspect of it - not safety. safety be damned, as far as theyre concerned. superficial, plastic people. superficial, plastic society.
>>77290241Nobody has said anything about numbers, vaginas and sex, or anything like that. White fabric reflects more UV than black fabric does, and long sleeves and pants protect you from ticks in ways sunscreen doesn't. Nothing you replied to has anything to do with what you've said, to the point I don't know which thing you're even replying to. Are you a spastic or are you just pretending to be retarded?
>>77290399reminds me of a /pol/ spammer. they show up in very good, over-the-target threads, to shit it up. derail the conversation, reply to every post possible with retarded bait, purposely mix up who theyre replying to to cause confusion. their goal is to make getting through the thread a headache, in order to get people already in the thread to abandon ship as a lost cause, and dissuade any newcomers from bothering to read through it.
>>77289179Get a small tan, take a break from the sun, get a little more tan, take another break, repeat until you have tan skin. sunscreen is not only a scam but does not work. Similar to toothpaste when vitamins D3 and K2 are all you really need to maintain teeth and avoid cavities.
