Why does the government health organizations always recommend eating fish when theyre full of parasites and heavy metals like mercury?Dont get me wrong, fish tastes good. But youre apparently not supposed to eat tuna, snapper, or swordfish too much because of mercury, fresh caught salmon have parasites, farmed salmon can have parasites even tho they have to use more antibiotics and pesticides than regular land animal meat. The only fish that doesnt seem to have too many problems is cod from really cold places like Alaska. And the only tasty way to eat cod is deep fried otherwise it tastes like nothing.
>>77292619Red meat, pork and chicken contain tons of parasites and the animals live in their own shit riddled with disease.Also when the fuck have you ever eaten snapper or swordfish wtf. Just avoid eating tons of fish (just like anything) and you will never see negative health impacts.
>>77292619just go vegandon't consume souls, especially then their physical bodies are contaminatedyou can get your protein from beans, seitan, tofu etc
fish is shit. My people used to consider it taboo to eat fish.
>>77292619I don't understand what is so difficult about it. Avoid fish that has parasites(or just cook it like a civilized person). Don't eat so much you get heavy metal poisoning. The idea that "since you can eat too much of something that means a little CAN'T be good for you" is dumb.
>>77292676we're gonna eat you, niggano homo, no cap, fr fr
>Full of heavy metals and parasitesSaltwater fish don't really have these, at least not ones that affect humans, at any significant rate>Can't eat these fish because of mercuryLargely a meme unless you get unlucky>Farmed salmon can have parasitesThey're actually used in sushi so much because they don't have parasites, they're filled with toxins and will kill you but the parasites and antibiotics thing isn't an issue for them, they have feed they're given that's basically completely sterile and is not wild feed.>Why do they recommend it? They're retarded. For the vast majority of people getting wild-caught saltwater fish is impractical, and they're not gonna go catch their own. So really the answer is their advice is shit and they don't follow it anyway.
>>77292619Freezing and cooking both kill parasites. Your pic is fearmongering.
>>77292619Why that fish kinda....
yea i kinda lost my appettite for fish when i found out nearly all seafood has parasites in itchicken pork and beef for me.
>>77292619>doesn't like free spaghettialso i thought the pic was of dolphin pussy
>>77292697can you eat my sweaty arsehole bro <3
>>77292800who's gonna tell him
>>77292619You do know that you're full of parasites yourself, don't you? Yeah, shocker.
>>77292619>youre apparently not supposed to eat tuna, snapper, or swordfish too much because of mercuryNo one has ever died from food borne mercury poisoning. Look it up. The few people who have ever even shown symptoms of mercury poisoning from food did something retarded like eat tuna for literally every meal for months on end.
>>77292676Plants have souls, you hypocrite.
>>77292676beans have no protein, you're illiterate
>>77293097I've been eating 3-4 cans of tuna a day for a few weeks now and don't want to stop, nothing else has ever worked so consistently well for me.>small, portion-sized cans of lean, satisfying food that's 30% protein>can be eaten as-is or tastes amazing with just a squirt of mayo or a drizzle of sóy sauce>a fraction of milk's high calories and heavy/drowsy feelings after> none of other meats' expense and refrigeration, prep/cooking>none of eggs' fragility and requiring cooking>literally never get sick of tuna, get genuinely excited for every can. I ate a box of 6 eggs a day for TWO days and by day 3 didn't want to look at an egg>makes hitting protein and caloric deficit goals while wagieing easytunabros, tell me mercury poisoning is a meme
>>77293208What kind of tuna have you been eating?Here in Canada the skipjack tuna is actually cheaper and lower in mercury than the other ones apparently.
>>77292619Because DHA is just that important for humans and we don't really have a lot or good sources or even suppliments for it because it goes off so fast is fragile. Fish is just the most practical way to get it but it doesn't take much and it's not all fish either.
>>77292662>Also when the fuck have you ever eaten snapper or swordfish wtf.Flyovers live such worthless lives that it's actually making me a bit depressed trying to imagine what it must be like for someone who thinks that snapper or swordfish are some sort of rare and exotic fish that no one could possibly eat.
>>77293240>DHA is important for humans>only comes from fatty, deep water fish that were impossible for us to obtain for millions of years of evolutionDoesn't make a lot of sense bro. It if were so vital then why is it something we've only been able to eat in very recent history?
dont you faggots know fish at the bottom of the food chain has less metals in itIf you ate lost of fancy fish like shark you are at greater risk of metals
>>77293254It's not deep water fish. Most common sources are salmon, mackrel, anchovies, sardines, trout ect ect. It makes even more sense if you look at humans requirements for zinc, selenium and iodine. We aren't aquatic apes but we are fishing apes that live in proximity to fish spawning grounds. That said it is not a the major pillar of our diet calorically it is just a very compact but important part. I'd even wager if some egg head could a make a solid theory about human reproduction being timed with fish spawnings because on the other side of those 9 months gives the infants the highest chance to survive and some down regulation of sex hormones in the absence of DHA is just a normal part of our existence.
>>77293281People will really invent whatever headcanon they need to justify eating food they like.
>>77293290Just do it. 2-3 times a week 100-150g and tell me you don't have the most fierce erections and libido of your adult life after just a week or two. It is one of the few things where can be entirely certain it's not a placebo or that this wasn't the work of catching up on sleep or suppliments.I don't even know why I'm telling you this besides being drunk. I don't care be a naysayer don't do it. Don't increase demand for fish I'm tired of paying $8/lb for shit salmon that still somehow works.
>>77293290Also I hate eating fish and sea vegetables especially with the skin. Closest I'd ever get is fish and chips which has negligible DHA.
>>77293300If you have that sort of reaction to adding a nutrient to your diet then it just means that you were heavily deficient. A person with a balanced diet who isn't deficient in zinc or selenium wouldn't see that same effect. The only time you will ever see that sort of noticeable effect from adding a food to your diet if if you're correcting a deficiency.
>>77293327Just do it.I have eaten a heavily varied diet with less than 10% (calorically) processed foods for more than a decade.I'm also a hypersexual 3 nuts a day since I was 7 for 30+ years . So any uptick or downtick in sexual stuff has a huge impact on my quality of life. (yes I've experimented with pygeum, maca, arginine, citrulline, pumpkin seeds and all that) Fish is what made the big impact and I only know this because it was something I avoided before.
>>77292866parasites are negative calories
>>77292619>theyre full of parasitesOnly a handful of species have them regularly and they're very unlikely to survive both the flash freeze done on site and the prolonged freezing after. There's barely any cases of parasites in japan, where they all eat raw fish.>heavy metalsDepends entirely on how high the fish is in the food chain. Apex predators, such as tuna, accumulate the most because they eat fish that have also eaten fish and so on, each of these cycles increases total accumulation. Fish that feed on plankton barely have any, an equivalent serving of sardines has around 10 times less heavy metals than tuna. Even tuna isn't high enough to be harmful in moderation, you should be avoiding sharks etc.>Why does the government health organizations always recommend eating fishBecause there's a literal global O3 deficency pandemic going on. The average person has no natural sources of O3 we used to have back when we ate nervous tissue of animals, which we can no longer do because we completly fucked it with prions.>but muh chia seeds etc.Plants only have ALA O3, which itself is only a precursor that converts poorly to EPA and VERY poorly to DHA that your body actually uses. You'd have to eat unrealistic amounts to meet your daily EPA RDA and it's pretty much impossible to satisfy DHA RDA without animal products.Reminder that pescetarians (vegan but with fish) have the best health outcomes in pretty much all relevant nutritional studies.
>>77293553>Only a handful of species have them regularlynot really, basically all fish have parasites but it's true that both flash-freezing and cooking completely kills them so it's a non-issue. And even if you did eat some live parasites from fish you'd probably just get a tummy ache
>>77293345It's wild that you're so sheltered that you think that telling people to eat fish is some sort of secret revelation, that surely no other adult has regularly eaten fish. I'm glad you corrected your zinc deficiency, can't say I'm surprised that a lifelong coomer was deficient in zinc, but now you're just embarrassing yourself.
>>77293553The boomer lore around omegas is fascinating. It really shows you how effective a well crafted propaganda campaign can be. Virtually every guy in that mid thirties to mid sixties age group got completely mindbroken by the omega 3 shilling of the late 2000s.
>>77293569>not really, basically all fish have parasitesAt some point in their life, sure, but certain species are at much higher risk of having them regularly. Atlantic salmon is much more prone to carrying anisakis due to their dual habitat (rivers/ocean) for example. But yes, freezing and cooking kills them reliably, and salmon is still great for its high O3 content.
>>77293581It's $18 to actually run the pepsi challenge on this. I can wait until June 11th for your concession.
>>77293588Son, I live in Miami. I've eaten more seafood in the past year than you have in your entire life.
>>77293592I associate Miami with two things using guns as turn signals and smoking poles.
>>77293585That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing of value. Are you challenging the statement that consumption of EPA/DHA is crucial to maintaining good health, given they're essential fatty acids the body cannot synthesize and a foundational structural component of nervous tissue? Or are you implying you have a steady, reliable source of adequate intake that doesn't involve fish or consuming nervous tissue? I'd really like to see you share your knowledge on the subject.
>>77293600I think I was pretty clear. You have fallen victim to a complex marketing scheme. There is no such thing as an "essential fatty acid" and I'd love to see you attempt to prove otherwise. If you'd delved a little deeper than the magazine articles you read 20 years ago, you'd know the experiments with animals "deficient" in omega fats show almost universally positive outcomes, while evidence for the harm caused by the great fish oil experiment continues to mount.Did you know that recent research is beginning to show that fish oil directly causes cardiovascular disease? These studies are coming to light despite the very aggressive campaigns by fish oil companies to bury them which should really make you think about how bad it must really be.
>>77293635>There is no such thing as an "essential fatty acid" and I'd love to see you attempt to prove otherwise.That isn't too hard. Patients on parenteral nutrition, back in the day, when it was new and often lipid-free, reliably developed symptoms of deficency within weeks/months. Clearly their bodies couldn't synthesise the fatty acids on their own.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6782957/https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/822704/>you'd know the experiments with animals "deficient" in omega fats show almost universally positive outcomesMeta-analyses and systemic reviews are much higher in the hierarchy of scientific evidence.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9641984/https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37426732/>Did you know that recent research is beginning to show that fish oil directly causes cardiovascular disease?I'd love to see them, but did you know that, again, recent individual papers are lower in the hierarchy of scientific evidence than systemic reviews and meta-analyses, and that there is a difference between physiological intake through consumption of whole foods and potential overdosing of poorly regulated supplements?
>>77293196>>77292683This never happened
>>77293208You could try canned chicken if you want
>>77293664>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6782957/>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/822704/These two studies are both about "fat-free total parenteral nutrition". This is intravenous administration of nutrients into your bloodstream, so already we're into weird, massively unnatural shit. Humans need fat to survive and I guarantee the negative outcomes in these studies were due to the "fat free" nature of the treatments rather than some magical quality to the quote>intravenous 10% basedbean oil emulsionthat purportedly cured the patients' "essential fatty acid deficiency".I don't want a study about some weird shit where sick people in a hospital were giving an injection of fat free liquid instead of eating food. If you wanted me to show you evidence that iron or zinc are essential nutrients then I could very easily show you endless evidence, diseases and disorders known to be caused by deficiency. I wouldn't lead the charge with cancer patients getting a hyper processed liquid sludge injected directly into their bloodstream and claim that the negative effects they suffered were due to a basedbean oil deficiency.As for the rest of your hastily googled nonsense, you may have missed the part where there is a massive industry pumping out positive studies about fish oil. This reddit shit where you regurgitate chatGPT while pretending to be an expert will never stop being embarrassing.>recent individual papers are lower in the hierarchy of scientific evidence than systemic reviews and meta-analysesThis is not even remotely true but regardless, you'll love this meta-analysis.>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8756005/
>>77293254Because before today we got it from eating nervous tissue, brains and eyes of any animals, the same organs and tissues we need it for. But today, modern industry ruined it with risk of prion disease, so you won't find any in the stores, and the risk exists even in wild game now because farm animals escape into the wild and spread prions often enough, see mad cow and deer wasting diseases.The moment you get access to an isolated population of land animals to eat the brains and eyes of, you don't need fish for O3 anymore. Fish is just the one source we didn't fuck up too much yet. We did fuck them up with heavy metals, but it beats prions.
>>77293697I'd really hesitate to base my diet on that sort of schizo nonsense.
>>77293690>Humans need fat to survive>There is no such thing as an "essential fatty acid"Make up your mind, or do you not know the definition of an essential fatty acid?>guarantee the negative outcomes in these studies were due to the "fat free" nature of the treatmentsYes, that's the conclusion. They were not getting their essential fatty acids.>rather than some magical qualityThe magical quality of intravenous 10% basedbean oil emulsion is having essential fatty acids.>I don't want a study about some weird shit where sick people in a hospital were giving an injection of fat free liquid instead of eating food.Share your documented cases of people naturally having an entirely fat free diet then. You wanted proof of essential fatty acids being a thing, we can't prove a nutrient is essential without showing a deficency, and experiencing a fat deficency is unrealistic with any normal diet, because fat is common macronutrient.>If you wanted me to show you evidence that iron or zinc are essential nutrients then I could very easily show you endless evidence, diseases and disorders known to be caused by deficiency.You could, because they are much easier deficencies to develop than a total absence of fat, and because you don't seem to understand isolation of factors well.>I wouldn't lead the charge with cancer patients getting a hyper processed liquid sludge injected directly into their bloodstream and claim that the negative effects they suffered were due to a basedbean oil deficiency.Clearly there was something in that basedbean oil that their bodies needed, but couldn't synthesise on their own. You could even say it was essential. Can you guess what it was?
>>77293690>>77293726>As for the rest of your hastily googled nonsense, you may have missed the part where there is a massive industry pumping out positive studies about fish oil.So studies with conclusions that you don't like are sponsored by big x, but the studies that support the conclusion you already held are a wholly independent, infallible source of truth? Very scientific.>This is not even remotely trueYou know for someone very quick to judge others as making hasty google searches and asking chatGPT, you know surprisingly little about the scientific process.>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8756005/I am aware of that study, yes. And just like you said you wanted studies where people ate food, I also want studies that found an atrial fibrillation risk link with fish consumption, because fish consumption isn't associated with the same risks of overdose, being rancid or contaminated like supplements are with their famously poor regulation. You can easily overdose on anything by consuming a heavily concentrated supplement and I haven't recommended fish oil supplementation once.
>>77293726>Make up your mind, or do you not know the definition of an essential fatty acid?Oh, are we already reaching that level of epic 4chan disingenuous debate tactic?>They were not getting their essential fatty acids.They were not getting fats, period. You will die if your diet contains literally 0% fat, as was the case for the diets these people were being fed. Fats, as a macronutrient class, are essential. This was not your claim. Your claim was that there is some special category of fats, polyunsaturated fats to be precise, that is essential, a claim for which you have yet to provide any evidence. If it's so obvious then where's the proof?>You wanted proof of essential fatty acids being a thing, we can't prove a nutrient is essential without showing a deficencyYou could very easily feed people a diet that contains no omega fatty acids. These are the fats you were claiming are "essential", but if all you're going to do is drag the goalposts from>>77293600>consumption of EPA/DHA is crucial to maintaining good healthto>>77293726>all fats are "essential fatty acids"then we're done here. I notice you ignored the study I provided you. Is that because you have no rebuttal, or...? Here, I'll give you another one, a nice little cohort study of a small group of 415,000 people:>https://bmjmedicine.bmj.com/content/3/1/e000451>“Higher doses of omega 3 fatty acids used in previous studies might have had an important role in causing an adverse effect on atrial fibrillation. One study found that high concentrations of fish oil altered cell membrane properties and inhibited Na-K-ATPase pump activity, whereas a low concentration of fish oil minimized peroxidation potential and optimized activity. In another study, individuals with atrial fibrillation or flutter had higher percentages of total polyunsaturated fatty acids, and n-3 and n-6 polyunsaturated fatty acids, on red blood cell membranes than healthy controls.
>>77293738>these fats are totally good for you and essential to your diet but you have to be careful that you don't overdoseSurely you jest.>being rancidOne of the main reasons why polyunsaturated fats are so toxic to human health is that they are extremely unstable and oxidize at the drop of a hat. There is no real difference to getting them from a fish oil pill or a whole fish. The heat of human digestion alone has been shown to be more than enough to cause these fats to oxidize so if they weren't already rancid by the time you finished cooking them (impossible) then your digestion would finish the work.Look man, you're doing a lot of gymnastics here that seem really unnecessary. If humans will die without eating polyunsaturated fats then surely you can find a study where normal healthy people were given a diet free of these fats and developed symptoms of deficiency. The people in your little liquid sludge studies from 1970 started showing symptoms in a couple weeks so it can't be that hard.You obviously think you're a smart guy so surely you can understand that a study showing that people react poorly to a diet with zero fat is not proof that a certain category of fats is essential, yes? You've proven that fats are essential but no one was doubting that. You're acting like this is super obvious widely accepted fact so come on big boy, let's see the proof.
>>77293635I’ll bite NTA but the study you’re referring to is an observational study that concluded healthy individuals that regularly use fish oil supplements develop heart disease and stroke at a higher rate, conversely individuals with or existing heart conditions it is lower when the use supplements. So i looked as to why these would contradict one another, why would heart issues be improved by these fish oils but in healthy people it’s to their detriment. Well because of an interesting concept called confounding factors. A person who is more health conscious is more likely to consume a fish oil supplement and is therefore more likely to wear monitors and keep an eye on their health so as a group are statistically more likely to be diagnosed with a heart issue. Correlation vs causation. There is also a potential sick user bias, people with a concern of family heart disease risk are more likely to consume the supplement as a preventative measure but then develop the disease hereditarily anyway. Furthermore the confusing factor of why the pre-existing heart difficulty individuals show improvement could be attributed to much higher quality supplementation that is prescribed rather than over the counter which are less likely to be rancid (rancid fish oil supplements introduce free radicals and inflammation into the system which can trigger heart disease)To round of this comment. You’re a sensationalist headline retard. Stop trying to tell people they’re falling for propaganda when you can’t even critically analyse a simple study yourself.
>>77293802>I didn't read the thread but I watched a youtube video about this once and here's my retarded takeThanks bro, appreciate you.>the study you’re referring toThere is no singular study I'm "referring to". I have posted multiple so far in the thread. But yes, I'm sure that "correlation vs causation" is why high concentrations of fish oil have been proven to alter cell lipid membranes and inhibit sodium potassium pump activity. It's because those people were more health conscious!>To round of this comment. You’re a sensationalist headline retard.Thanks, reddit. I wouldn't know what to do without your retarded takes and baseless egotism.I don't usually reference this study because people here don't have the education to understand it but here's a study showing at the cellular level that polyunsaturated fats, which of course include fish oil, are directly toxic to mammalian mitochondria. Explain away the "confounding factors" in this one, if you can:>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40016208/
>>77293553Japan has the highest fishborne parasite infection rates in the world followed by Norway and Finland lol
>>77293818I don’t have an ego I’m almost willing to go down your proposed rabbit hole of marketing conspiracy because I wholeheartedly agree that the sophistication of propaganda now is actually ludicrous and it’s very easy to write everything off as clever marketing propaganda. However, I’m phoneposting so I’m not gonna do that, you peaked my curiosity with the >did you know so I looked it up because I genuinely wanted to see if it was a bs campaign but that’s what I’m greeted with so your first impression to me was quite poor, surface level research. I didn’t read all of your other back and forth with the other guy I only saw that one but you’ve continued to support your point so keep going with the other anon and I might drop in later to spank you.
>>77293885To be honest the rates aren't even really that high considering the amount of raw fish they eat. Per capita wise. The invention of freezers pretty much solves this. Do yeah. Not much of an issue unless you're being silly and eating fresh raw sea food
>>77293895>you peaked my curiosityPiqued.>with the >did you know so I looked it upYou looked up some random study and decided it was the one I was talking about and came up with a silly little strawman argument against it. If you want to come back later and keep making a fool of yourself then go right ahead but try to bring a little more than your limp dick and your chatGPT summaries of studies you've never read and wouldn't understand even if you did.
uh oh melty
>>77292619Everything reminds me of her bros....
>>77293908>fresh raw sea foodwho is gonna tell him
Im just eatin deenz.
fish tastes like pu$$ythey have googly eyessalmon and tuna and yellowtail are the only fish that tastes good to me, you know, sushi
>>77293101Those souls doesn't matter because otherwise it would invalidate my lifestyle and ideology.
Smoked fish is one of my favorite foods.Too bad it's always crazy expensive and I don't have a smoker.
>>77292619>>77293097>>77293208The fear mongering over mercury poisoning is overblown.Asian countries eat raw fish every day and have the highest lifespan. Fish contain the highest amounts of Selenium than any other food. Guess what mineral helps with heavy metal poisoning by way of mercury neutralization?I've eaten two cans of white tuna every other day for the last six years and have never had an issue.
>>77294804>I've eaten two cans of white tuna every other day for the last six years and have never had an issue.That's not how mercury poisoning works, lil bro. Mercury has a half life of close to 30 years in the human body. It progressively accumulates in the body and doesn't cause any noticeable symptoms until it reaches a certain level, at which point it's probably too late and you're just fucked.
>>77293674you guptacels are illiterateyou can't understand human language
>>77292837Seafood parasites are 100x worse than land animal parasites.
>>77292619What about the little guys? Anchovies, deens, etc. They're not high enough on the chain for heavy metals to be an issue. And smaller species generally have less parasitization. The medium ones aren't bad either. I believe herring are supposed to be one of the least polluted fish. Trout are decent too I think.
>>77293995Oof were spell checking huh, appreciate the clear terminally online response. I now know you are irrelevant and you have nothing of value to offer anybody in this or any thread on this board. Your ability to process information is clearly so tightly connected to your ideologies and preconceptions you will never grow, you will always be small and you will never have sex or be liked by anyone. I suggest you try some acid, you’ll quickly realise how much of a cock you are and look back in a couple years and cringe, or just do everyone a favour and kys dickhead :)Best about it is, I know you’ll come back to read this response and I know I’ll touch a little nervy wervy and you’ll get upset because I’m dead right and you’ll type your heh got him response through your tears but I will never see it because i ain’t coming back to this thread so basically you’re a fully fledged loser pussy boy lmao
>>77295776>seething this hard because you wrote the wrong wordlmao gottem
>>77292662Snapper used to mean pussy. Do Millennials know that? Zoomers certainly don’t. Anyway, there a 4-fish limit in Red Snapper in Louisiana, and 10-fish aggregate on other species. 16” minimum in reds. I have like 6 in my freezer right now. >seafood bad!It is absolutely the most bioavailable protein source you can consume. It’s just expensive unless you catch it yourself.
>>77296537>It is absolutely the most bioavailable protein source you can consume.That would be whey, followed by eggs.
>>77293233Is that tuna any good in terms of protein?
>>77294989>it's not a matter of how much but a matter of whenguess i'll just die
