roidtrannies on this board will go on and on about studies that blasting gear and not working out builds more muscle than a working out as a natty. In their most recent video, Lyle and Solomon went on about how as a natty, lifting seriously, you cap out at your limit in 4 years. Some will look at themselves after 4 years and decide they aren't big enough and decide to ascend. My philosophie is that, the grind is the goal, and the effort is the beauty. A well sculpted natty physique will always get admired for the work that people know went into it. It's like a really well maintained shitbox. Seeing an immaculate Tercel or Corolla will always get the respect of others because they can tell the owner is someone who appreciates what they have and puts in the work to keep things running smoothly, when the easy solution is to either A let it waste away, or B pay for something more modern. Muscles growing and pulling on your bones over years and years change your frame, your overall shape and presentation. Your work is displayed even down to the bone. Roids though, it makes your a caricature of what a fit person is. Your muscles grow so quickly that they tug your tendons every which way in unnatural configurations. HGH makes your gut look like a bloated carcase. You look like an AI approximation of a human, you look like shit aesthetically. A maxed out natty build takes time, takes dedication and proper diet. People know that subconsciously. That's why roiders will always just be circus animals. People will look, but they'll never envy it. It's unenviable.
It's not that your post is long, it's that your post is long and unremarkable. You take too long to say too little.
>>77296374>studies that blasting gear and not working out builds more muscle than a working out as a nattyThis is exactly why roiders deserve 0 respect. Just frauds. Natty physiques look better too, they don't end up looking like ogres but are actually "fit" in a way that looks aesthetic (and which won't lead them to get a stroke at the age of 40).
>>77296384You're not into "chapter books", aren't you?
>>77296386Longevity is also something I overlooked in the OP. You age like fucking milk in india on gear. Completely fucked.
>>77296374I think bloated roidtrannies look stupid and gay. Actual athleticism >>> capeshit tier caricature of masculinity prancing around in homosexual pageants.
>>77296401Any "chapter book" that bloviates so excessively to say so little is not worth reading. Quantity is not a substitute for quality.
>>77296374assuming the picrel is you, keep on trying. some major re-learning of chest/lats/delts/arms and legs, and you can become like this picrel, who has similar shapes as you, but bigger and better everywhere. a lot to learn and work on.
>>77296374Fuck off with the AI horseshit
>>77296386>Natty physiques look better tooshirtless, maybeyou'll look dyel in clothes, if you're natty
>>77296550Idk, aiming to look big in clothes comes off as mad insecure.
>>77296491That's not really that much text for the point that I got across though. Really not.
>>77296539>>77296527Is it A.I.? Idk, I pulled it from google. Not me, just thought it was a relevant image. Looke like a body that was achievable natty.
>roids are for insecure losersHold the presses!
>>77296374If you have something majorly holding you back then you'll only get to 50% of your potential in 10 years.>I'm doing everything right>I'm trying hard enoughDrop down and give me 100, then we can do out pre-workout 10 mile run then we can lift weights.
>>77296679Well yeah, 4 years is the time it takes if you are perfect. Like, push until failure, diet is immaculate, and your rest is on point. I'd say in a given gym, 85% will never hit their peak because one of their three pillars (intensity, diet, recovery) are garbage (or any combination of the three). 10% will get there in 20 years, but their peak will be age adjusted so it's not their real biological peak.And the last 5% will do something decent worth 'miring.
>>77296672>brown hands typed this
>>77296527>posts unaesthetic asian roid troonThis is quality trolling.
>>77296664I'm just saying I lift for strength gains. looking good shirtless is a bonus. But I know that I won't ever look like I lift int he hoodie, even though I can bench 120kg>inb4 that's dyel weightnatty it really isn't. Most natty gym rats will top at between 120 to 140
>>77296666wasted quadsa small paragraph is excessive for scarcely a sentence's worth of content.
>>77296829Quads of truth man. Read East of Eden. When Steinbeck describes the Salinas valley, you will be thankful that it isn't just "it was nice."
>>77296550Natties look better in clothes too. Being generally far leaner than bloated roider as in-shape natties usually are allows the clothes to hang on the body as they're designed to and hence look more aesthetically pleasing.
>>77297146Are you suggesting that your blathering is comparable to that?
>>77297178Look man, you can roid all you want. Nobody is stopping (you).
>>77297168This is true. Some might say natties looks small clothed, but that's because modern fashion is hard jewed. They only make a few sizes or "one" size mass market items and use stretchy fabrics to compensate. As a result most modern clothes are ill fitting. A lean natty in fitted/tailored dress mogs.
>>77296811A well fitted hoodie maybe. See >>77297247
>>77297168Generally you don’t have to convince people of what looks good
>>77296374You want to know what the real redpill is? You're not going to get "too big" running a few cycles of 400 test/week. You'll look phenomenal and can claim fake natty status.Steroids only become obvious when you start adding in tren, masteron, or primo.
>>77297589The man in the glass will know you're a fraud. Also, claiming fake natty illustrates that even a roider knows they are inferior. The jew shrieks when called out.
so much write,you can just say>im natty cuck and i fear to be strong and big
>>77297907You can be strong and big as a natty, you just have to actually put in work to do it.
>>77297712This >just lie about your whole life!The state of trennies
>>77296374you ever thought about picking up some weights and putting them down instead of bitching about the next man?
>>77300525I do that three time a week for 1 to 1.5hrs. I gotta occupy the rest of the time.
>>77296550If you're in a winter coat maybe. I have people tell me I look muscular all the time as a natty. It's not hard to see at all.
>>77296491This. Most books are just author-wank that could easily be 100 pages, instead of 3-400 pages. I've read more text books than standard books because they actually contain dense knowledge. Reading is mostly gay
>>77301871maybe if you're 5'5I'm 6'2. I weigh 200lbs lean. And I wouldn't say I look like I lift, in normal clothes
>>77298278Yet /fit shrieks about roids anytime they see anyone strong or big. Curious
>>77302152Same, I'm 6'3, 203lb, 13% and in normal clothes I look dyel with a bit of chest/back shape. Shirt off I look decent, but generally "just thin". People only have commented on my physique at 225lb, but I was 20% without looking fat
>>77302196tailored clothes save the day, but the taller you are, the harder it is to find, unless you're a baller and buy custom made
>>77302032failing to have an appreciation for art makes you dumb, not straight
>>77302299fuck you andrew tate told me books are for retards
>>77302299You can't even differentiate a criticism of a certain category of books with criticism of art itself. Your assumption is that if someone doesn't read a narrow type of book, they don't have an appreciation for art. Your mind immediately jumps to "tough guy thinks art is gay", you're immediately committing reddit-tier fallacies. 9 out of 10 books are author-wank, not art. Barely any books written these days are worth 5 minutes of attention. There's more art in Henleys single page Invictus than 99.9% of the thousands of pages of crap you would find in a modern book store. When I want to enjoy art I'll listen to a talented composer, visit an art museum or read a poem, not sit down and read some drivel from the goy times best seller list.
>>77302328tl;dr
>>77302302Another reddit idiot. If you're so smart, why aren't you wealthy and free. What could be more dumb than someone else still owning your precious time.
>>77302335when I finish his course Ill be rich.
>>77302331Yep, no argument. Enjoy your goy-reads-list 4000 bloat books. Your computer probably runs Windows lmao
>>77302343He already owns your time by living in your head for free. The evidence is that somehow you brought him into this dialogue lmao
Cooked you both. Sit.
>>77296374The issue with natty lifting is how locked in you gotta be with both training and diet. Lifted 6 years natty and 3 years on juice, and I will say it's all just way easier when you're enhanced. You don't need to give it 100% all the time to get good gains, you'll genuinely make more progress showing up and giving it 60% as a /fraud/ than giving it 100% natural. It's a lot easier to stay lean even with a less than perfect diet too. Within reason you can basically eat what you want and easily stay under 15% bf, you don't need to eat that clean when juicing. It's just easier when you're on gear brah, and other roiders always shit on me for saying that, if it really was just that little boost as some claim they why would they even be doing it?I have a lot of respect for those who do stick to it natural, but I'm happy doing my thing with a little help, it's just easier and I can enjoy myself a lot more with food and my life doesn't have to revolve so much around the gym for me to keep a lean and built physique. To each their own bro, you do your thing and I'll do mineoh and also, not everyone who takes gear is on massive doses as to fuck up their appearance and skin and get gyno, not everyone is on GH. There are sensible users too. A lot are just using a little enhancement to make things easier
>>77302373How much do you do? You will have to do it forever or you will fall off. Also your balls shrink regardless.
>>77302391not a lot lol. right now all in on is 400 test 20 anavar. I have taken other stuff before though and higher amounts, but found there was no need for that since I never intend to compete and don't particularly care about chasing crazy big lifts, not worth the potential risks for me. I am already aware that I'll be on TRT for life even if I do stop, but that doesn't really bother me much. My balls are fine, they were never big anyway but didn't get smaller
>>77296401bodied that freak
>>77302424>400 test 20 anavarHow much difference would you say that 20 anavar does on top of the 400 test?If compared to 400 test alone that's ehat I mean, both on gains and sides
>>77302373That's the point though. Not to do it out of some religious obligation or whatever, but that constancy and discipline you build up is the reward itself. Fitness always better/more desirable because it means you are in control of yourself. Your body was a billboard for you. Now people do gear, even a bit, and go straight to the "reward". Roiders see the admiration and reward a good natty build gets, and figure it's just an arbitrary respect for the body and ladders their way there. But as a person, an intellectual, feeling, thinking, breathing being, they are making themselves lesser. Each time someone is ratted or comes out as a juicer, even if it's low doses, they lose a portion or all of their social credit every time. That's because all people instinctively know it's the long, arduous, sisyphean task. Not the end result alone.
>>77302328Just say you have a low attention span. It's okay, most zoomers/alphas do these days.
