What, in your opinion, is the simplest possible, most concise piece of health and or nutrition advice you could possibly say to somebody who has no knowledge on the matter that would drastically improve their lives?
Kill yourself
Avoid refined carbs as much as possible. A few fruits every day is fine.
Cut vegetables entirely
>>77296788Eat more protein.Lift weights.Walk more. Drink water.Sunscreen.
>>77297714>sunscreenSchizo
>>77296816>/fit/ still deathly afraid of plants lmaoYou're a fatass and weak.
>>77296788Research ALL the schizo health memes on Google Scholar to see which ones have merit.>t. takes some things that are marketed as fake cancer cures yet ack-shilly work for preventing arthritis and hair loss, also figured to buy meat tenderizer to really prevent cancer
>>77297719>>77297718Post body
>>77297714This was all good quality information until sunscreen
>>77297719Oh look, it's this guy again. I got to hand to you, the average person would have completely had your stupid meme advice go under their radar because most people don't actually know what neat tenderizer is.
>>77296788More protein
>>77297922Good advice
>>77297717>>77297916Have fun looking like a ballsack when you're older. But I guess that only matters if you go outside.
>>77296788Muscle is not just inert flesh that makes you stronger. It is a functional part of your endocrine and immune system and needs to be exercised adequately to operate.
>>77296788that you need alot of carbs to feel good and be fit, that its impossible to be without carbs
>>77296813common sugar misinformation. avoid seed/vegetable oils instead.the human body is naturally meant to eat animal or saturated fats and thereby generate energy by converting simple sugar straight into carbon dioxide and generating ATP. seed/vegetable oils inhibit glucose metabolism because its form of fat is not naturally compatible with the fat necessary to make cells with healthy phospho-lipid bi-layers and mitochondrial respiration (the part where carbon dioxide is generated and sugar used up in the process).because of eating this, what used to be industrial lubricant before companies introduced it into cooking, has become so normal, it looks like sugar is the problem, whereas it in fact is not. we've just lost the ability to correct metabolise it.I have adopted this natural bioenergetic way of eating and eat a lot of refined sugar. e.g. put up to 5 tea spoons, plus some honey, in my morning coffee, and drink orange or pommegranate juice with it. I am skinny and remain muscular even for months
>>77298275>ad hominemSad
>>77298291>that its impossible to be without carbs>The systematic review confirms that low-carbohydrate and ketogenic dietary interventions do not substantially impair maximal aerobic capacity in trained athletes. Across 18 studies investigating VO2max, 83.3% documented aerobic power preservation or improvement (83.3% maintained, 11.1% improved), while 5.6% documented aerobic power decrease. This preservation of maximal oxygen uptake demonstrates that fat oxidation provides sufficient ATP generation capacity to sustain maximal aerobic efforts despite carbohydrate restriction, reflecting preserved mitochondrial oxidative phosphorylation capacity and maintained electron transport chain function.https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/18/5/740Tl;dr you're just obese and have a sugar addiction
>>77298443Peatcel detected ;)
>>77298485shame they don't allow a wikipedia page to be made of him. suspicious...
>>77298463stopped reading after ketogenic lolnice projection with "you're just obese" tho
>>77296788Go to sleep and wake up at the same time every day.
>>77298987this. also stretch and be flexible.
>>77298979I accept your concession
just lift lol
>>77296788Stop eating any kind of seed oil. There are endless negative side effects from seed oil consumption, literally everything from diabetes to heart disease to declining testosterone levels in men and countless others, entirely due to seed oil consumption. Aggressively cutting them out of your diet and avoiding them as much as possible is by far the single most effective thing you could do to improve your long term health.
>>77300701Do you have stued I can read up on each of the samples you listed?
>>77300783>>77300701Sorry, studies*
>>77300783This stuff isn't hard to research and more importantly, learning to research on your own is the only way you're going to be able to sort through all the bullshit in the world. Most people have no clue when it comes to diet and you need to learn to do your own research if you care about your health. That said,Polyunsaturated fat metabolites and diabetes:>https://www.amed.go.jp/en/news/release_20201014.html>https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(22)00800-2Polyunsaturated fats and various heart disease:>https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/44/44/4696/7343271>https://bmjmedicine.bmj.com/content/3/1/e000451Polyunsaturated fats reducing circulating testosterone, serum DHT:>https://academic.oup.com/biomedgerontology/article-abstract/63/11/1260/759439>https://europepmc.org/abstract/med/31449274
>>77300839Thank you anon
>>77296813>>77296816>>77298443>>77298463>>77300701post body
>>77296816Based and Chaffee pilled
>>77300701This. Use beef fat instead. You can buy it from butchers.
>>77301617That guy got absolutely obliterated in a debate with a vegan doctor. I'm not even pro-vegan, but he just absolutely wiped the floor and disproved every single study that he brought up and showed how he used flowery and misleading language to misrepresent the results of the studies that he uses to bolster his meme diet.
>>77298275Just use pure oil with spf instead of chemical shit.
>>77301620Or butter or extra virgin olive oil.
>>77296788Start eating your own cum
>>77301659Vegetables are trying to kill you, bro. Simple as
>>77301659Most modern people are vegetarian, not saying it outright doesn't make you less of an ideological vegan
>>77300701>>77300839>bunch of articles discussing hypotheses>health effect studies proving the hypotheses actually manifest into negative health consequences nowhere to be seenSeed oil panic and anyone falling for it is so fucking retarded it's unbelievable.
>>77302277>health effect studies proving the hypotheses actually manifest into negative health consequences nowhere to be seenI'm not sure what you think you mean by "health effect studies" but one of the studies I linked is a cohort study of 415,000 people showing quite clearly that>Regular use of fish oil supplements might be a risk factor for atrial fibrillation and stroke among the general populationAmong the other studies are direct proof that PUFA metabolites>promote lipolysis and fibrosis via its receptor EP4 and lead to ectopic fat deposition in the liver, resulting in lifestyle-related diseases such as diabetes.Human nutrition is not a math problem where you can easily get a clear and direct 2+2=4 and often "it seems pretty likely that X causes Y" is the best you're going to get. But I'm not here to convince you, your health is your own responsibility. Seed oils have literally no nutritional value, they're not important or even necessary foods, they're not used for anything except processed garbage food. They were not eaten in any meaningful amounts until the late 1950s.If you're really so addicted to your slop that you react with this sort of defensiveness to the suggestion that this food which needs to be industrially processed, chemically extracted, filtered and deodorized, before it becomes "edible", that this food may not be good for you, then that's on you. Seed oils only exist in fried and processed foods, your french fries and your potato chips, packages of cookies and sugary bread from the store, literally nothing that you should be eating anyway.But if you're really that determined to not give up your french fries, by all means keep eating them. You're certainly not alone in clinging to a vice despite knowing that it's directly harming you. I'm here for the people who care about their health.
>>77301612Don't be retarded, son. You could take steroids and eat mcdonalds every day and have a great body, at least on the outside. Diet is about long term health and nutrition. The only things your muscles are really worried about is whether or not you have a protein and calorie surplus.That said,>A number of studies have shown that reducing saturated fat in the diet, and/or replacing saturated fat with what are considered more healthy fats (polyunsaturated and/or monounsaturated fats), results in significant decline in the circulating testosterone concentration
>>77302452>Regular use of fish oil supplements>fish oil>fish>fish are plantsTold ya these people are fucking retarded.
>>77296788Eat your own poop
>>77302524Fish oil is primarily polyunsaturated fat and all polyunsaturated fats are similarly harmful regardless of whether they come from canola oil or fish oil. The fact that we see harmful outcomes from consuming this oil regardless of whether it comes from plants or fish is a very strong point in my favor but I'm not surprised that this is going over your head.
>>77302537Then why not show a study showing the same effect from vegetable oils? Why did you post mechanistic hypotheses and fish oil study to prove vegetable oils are bad? Where are the "number of studies" you claim exists showing their effect on health is bad compared to saturated fat?Why didn't you post any of those to begin with?How do you explain the totality of evidence being completely stacked against your claims?You'll go to global conspiracy theory in less than 3 messages. This is so predictable.
If you’re cutting, eat BIG volume, LOW calorie foods. For example, you can eat 100g of spinach leaves and it’s like 20 calories.
>>77302606And a truckload of oxalate to give you kidney stones and make you malnourished
>>77302596see>>77300839Everything you asked for and more is in these studies, which we both know you haven't read. These of course are a tiny fraction of the available studies on the subject, which I posted in response to someone requesting studies backing up my initial claims.Now, all you've done so far is blatantly lie about what these studies contain >>77302277 or insult me personally, neither of which are especially convincing. I've played along so far for the benefit of any lurkers but as I said earlier, I don't care what you decide to do. If you're really this desperate to continue believing that mcdonald's isn't bad for you then by all means, keep eating it. I really think you should.>How do you explain the totality of evidence being completely stacked against your claims?If you really want to play this game then I don't mind; I'm at work so I'm getting paid for this either way. But if I'm going to keep humoring you then I'm going to need two things from you:One, I'm going to need you to explain why these studies >>77300839 are flawed or whatever it is you have a problem with. Legitimate criticisms please, not silly disingenuous lies about what they contain.Two, I'm going to need you to provide some "evidence" of your own, since baselessly claiming that "the totality of evidence" is against me is very different than actually proving it to be so.If you can do these things then we can keep playing, otherwise I'll be forced to accept your concession and this will be your last (you). Up to you, go forth and defend your mcdonald's french fries.
>>77302608>SPINACH IS LE BAD!jesus christ just shut the fuck up already
>>77302617>b-but my parents told me that vegetables are good for you, they couldn't possibly have been wrong
>>77302617Just because it tastes like poison doesn't mean it's "healthy". Stop thinking like someone with an eating disorder
>>77302615Every health agency on the planet agrees that vegetable oils are a beneficial replacement to saturated fat and that view is based on said totality of evidence. Not even RFK Jr's shitty DGA written by literal industry plants recommends saturated fat intake over 10% while placing no limit recommendation on muh seed oils.Now drumroll please as he jumps to global conspiracy theory to "expain" why it is so! Maybe he'll first try to keep the discussion muddled in weeds by insisting I must personally deliver singular studies. In any case he will reject the expert consensus. Watch. Let's see how he does it.
>>77302638Every escort agency agrees your mom is the cheapest most ran through whore do you agree with their expertise ?
>>77302533saar?
Surprising no one, my angry friend can neither explain why the studies I provided are wrong nor provide any studies of his own. He is try really hard to make this political which makes me suspect that he's a seething vegan, which is usually the case when someone is this insanely defensive of seed oils.One thing you should always be aware of in discussions of diet and nutrition is that there are people for whom it's an issue of morality rather than health. These people feel that they're fully justified in lying and deceiving in any way they can because, for them, getting you to stop eating animals is the goal and if they can save animal lives by misleading you, they'll happily do it.Because when you step back and think about it, why would someone get so angry over a simple discussion? Does he have an emotional attachment to potato chips? Probably not, but what he does have is an emotional attachment to vegan morality which perfectly explains the sort of anger you're seeing in response to something as simple as>you shouldn't be eating processed and fried foods full of hyper processed oils that have only been introduced to the human diet in the past 50 yearsRemember friends, always do your own research and always doubt people who are angry and defense and refuse to post evidence to back up their claims.
>>77302679>makes me suspect that he's a seething vegan, which is usually the case when someone is this insanely defensive of seed oilsSo you're saying there is a global vegan conspiracy because according to you the only reason anyone would ever recommend vegetable oils over saturated fat - which is what every single health agency on Earth does - is that.Called it. Less than three messages to global conspiracy theory.
low fat high carb diettry not to need any medications, even at age of 60dont use any supplementsboth cardio and lifting is good but not in excess, cardio very easy to overtrainmeasure total testosterone, free testosterone, a1c and ldl from time to time to know where you at
>>77302708>So you're saying there is a global vegan conspiracynta but he never said anything like that all he said was that it doesnt make sense for you to be so mad unless you have a moral stake
>>77302537Lol
>>77302615Point to the study about vegetable oils being badYou linked a cohort study about fish oils Stop crying about being insulted Mcdonalds good is a strawman
>>77302716His only reasoning why anyone would be "insanely defensive of seed oils" is because they must be "seething vegans" with "emotional attachment to vegan morality". When that's his only reasoning for anyone recommending vegetable oils, it must therefore extend to every single health agency on Earth by simple inductive logic as all of those recommend vegetable oils, therefore there must be a global vegan conspiracy according to him.Understand now?
>>77302726>You linked a cohort study about fish oilsI linked six studies, of which the cohort study was one.>Point to the study about vegetable oils being badThe other 5 studies.What is it that makes it so hard for you guys to have an honest discussion? I legit do not understand why you get so unreasonably upset over what should be a simple discussion of diet and nutrition. Every time, you dive headfirst into the most blatantly disingenuous tricks, lying and misrepresenting and just engaging in every bath faith debate tactic possible. For what purpose? Why can't you just have an honest, civil discussion?>Mcdonalds good is a strawmanSeed oils literally do not exist outside of processed and fried foods. If you go to the store and buy real, whole foods, meats and fruits and vegetables, come home and cook real food, at no point do seed oils need to be involved. Their only use case is industrial processed slop which is another reason why I find it legitimately baffling that some people get so emotional over the topic.If you went to the grocery store and decided to remove everything with seed oils, all you would be removing is junk food.
>>77302524>>77302738>been sitting in this thread impotently seething for 4 hours straight and still hasn't posted a single shred of evidence supporting his positionlmao
You're not a pussy if you warm up with minimal weights when lifting. I find my best sessions in the gym happen when I do three warm up reps.
>>77302744I mean three sets, not reps lol. Also stretch after you wake up.
>>77302742Because I'm not playing that game, I said so. Instead refer to any consensus position on that topic by any public health institution on Earth. Look up as many as you want. Those positions are based on totality of evidence. That's where the collapse into conspiracy theories always happens. First facade by these seed oil schizos is pretending science is on their side, when it's obviously not true, their immediate next step is a mix of science denialism and conspiracy theories, directly contradicting their earlier claim.So predictable like a clockwork. Every time.
Will you fussy faggots stop arguing, no one cares about your Internet bitch fight
>>77302760>refer to any consensus position on that topic by any public health institution>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority>An argument from authority is a form of argument in which the opinion of an authority figure (or figures) is used as evidence to support an argument. The argument from authority is often considered a logical fallacy and obtaining knowledge in this way is fallible.
>>77302765Nah I will never stop bullying these vegan shills and spreading the word of good health to my /fit/bros. Every time I watch one spend hours dodging simple questions and refusing to respond to studies proving them wrong, I rest assured that a lurker or two has gone away having learned that processed junk food is just as unhealthy as we've always suspected.
>>77302770It's not an 'argument from authority' when consensus position papers are public and based on totality of research. It's also the reason why every public health institution on earth has the same position on vegetable oils: they all look at the same research.
>>77302786Are all public health institutions on the planet ran by vegan shills then (a conspiracy)? If so then how do you explain they specifically target reduction in saturated fat including from palm and coconut oils which are plants and therefore vegan-friendly?Let's see how crazy this gets.
>>77302765This, lolicoons are the gypsies of the internet. Something about wrestling pigs in the mud or outbraying a donkey
>>77302787>It's not an 'argument from authority'It literally is but that's ok, no one expects you to do better. You have not posted a single shred of evidence to back up your claims in this thread; all you've done is say>I'm right because the authorities say I'm rightThat is the dictionary definition and it's an accepted fallacy because of things like the fact that these authorities you're referencing are the same ones who spent decades telling the public that replacing saturated fat with trans fats was healthy, that smoking was healthy, that there's nothing wrong with asbestos or leaded gasoline, so on and so on.These people have a very long track record of being wrong and of taking a very long time to admit that they're wrong. It took decades of lobbying for them to finally admit that trans fats are bad for you and you can post all the cartoon children you want but it's not going to change that fact. You've been here for literally 5 hours and you still haven't been able to tell us why these studies >>77300839 are wrong.Would you like me to pick one of them for us to discuss if all 6 is too overwhelming for you? I don't mind singling one out so you can explain why it's not valid. But I get off work in about 40 minutes so you'd better make it quick.
>>77302472we all can use AI to find studies which clearly show no significant difference between SFA and PUFA and testosterone, as if it even matters that a single hormone increases or decreases, as long as its in the healthy range. the anti seed oil thing is such 'baby's first health food' brainlet nonsense to advocate for. Replacing SFA with PUFAs is so strongly associated with positive health outcomes it is absolutely insane to even mention them unless you're saying 'don't eat junk foods because of the fat content'. I'll forgive you if you're on some ray peat shit, otherwise seriously just kys.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3761560/It's over for contrariancels
>>77302856these studies are literally in vitro pitri dish experiments you idiot. if you don't understand the difference between a meta analysis of several dietary interventions involving thousands of people over decades vs studying physiology in a fucking glass dish you are an absolute retard nigger. one of them isn't even a study.
>>77302881>we all can use AI to find studiesCan't say I'm surprised that your opinions are based on what some AI fed to you.>Replacing SFA with PUFAs is so strongly associated with positive health outcomesWe covered this hours ago, which you'd know if you'd actually read the studies I posted:>>77300839>reducing saturated fat in the diet, and/or replacing saturated fat with what are considered more healthy fats (polyunsaturated and/or monounsaturated fats), results in significant decline in the circulating testosterone concentrationIf you want to nuke your test that's on you, I guess. Hey here's a nice little experiment you'll have fun with. Go look at testosterone decline in the general population since 1950, then compare it to the increase in seed oil consumption over the same period. You'll like what you see so much that you'll be back here coping about correlation and causation in no time.>>77302899>these studies are literally in vitro pitri dish experiments you idiotSee, this is the kind of thing I'm talking about. Blatantly untrue, just a naked lie easily disproven by taking ten seconds to read the abstract of a few of the studies I posted. Why do you even bother coming here if this is all you have to offer? Do you think you're convincing anyone when all you post is lies and personal insults?I've been pleasant and accommodating and frankly you've been an embarrassment on every level. It's a shame to have to end on this note but my shift's over and I only have time to waste on shills if I'm at work and getting paid to shitpost. For your own health, if nothing else, I really do encourage you to actually read the studies I posted rather than dismissing them out of hand because you think you know better. Human nutrition is a constantly evolving field and it's pretty obvious that your perspective is based on stuff that's been outdated for decades.
>>77302921this is our first interaction. again, listen: you are on some niche alternative health shit that is not consensus. I am sympathetic to this type of stuff and I personally do limit all fat intake, not just PUFA. I am aware of the metabolic effect of linoleic acid and fat peroxidation etc. im not here defending all the PUFAs put in retard goyim food, but this "health advice" of "never eat seed oils" is so ridiculous based on the evidence that it must be ridiculed. the studies you posted have nothing to do with long term health outcomes and look like they are studying some sort of chemical pathway. dude, if you are basing your diet off shit like this you are an idiot and you should be embarrassed of this behavior. you are either a fat boomer or more likely some sort of newly redpilled 20 year old who knows nothing. seriously log off
>>77302941>the studies you posted have nothing to do with long term health outcomesOne of them is a cohort study of 415,000 people conducted over the course of 15 years. What do you gain from lying like this?
>>77302946>https://www.amed.go.jp/en/news/release_20201014.htmlliterally nothing to do with PUFA. some gay mouse study on a gene. >https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(22)00800-2In vitro. More gene bullshit. >https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/44/44/4696/7343271in vitro. >https://bmjmedicine.bmj.com/content/3/1/e000451>For participants with a diagnosis of a known cardiovascular disease, regular use of fish oil supplements was beneficial for transitions from atrial fibrillation to major adverse cardiovascular events (hazard ratio 0.92, 0.87 to 0.98), atrial fibrillation to myocardial infarction (0.85, 0.76 to 0.96), and heart failure to death (0.91, 0.84 to 0.99).This is good you absolute idiot. You literally don't understand what you are reading >https://academic.oup.com/biomedgerontology/article-abstract/63/11/1260/759439not a study. >https://europepmc.org/abstract/med/31449274this is a rat study attempting to shrink enlarged prostates by feeding them excessive seed oils. wow.You are retarded.
>>77302946You're talking to a contrarian who gets a kick off being called retarded. Get yourself some nice liver stew and let him mald about muh saturated fats being the same as gutter engine oil
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11123895/It's over for us, contrarian vegan trannysisters
>>77302958>i don't understand what this study is about, must be "gene bullshit"It's a shame that the scientific community hasn't caught up with the armchair biologists on 4chan and recognized that all these direct studies of genetic pathways are worthless. Just think about all the time they could save if they ran their prospective studies past the 4chan peer review.That aside, I like this progression:>>77302941>the studies you posted have nothing to do with long term health outcomes>>77302946>one of them is a study of hundreds of thousands of people over two decades>>77302958>ok well none of the studies you posted except that one are about long term health outcomesHow embarrassing for you. I accept your concession.
>>77302967Oh I know, I do this for the benefit of the lurkers and to clarify my own knowledge of the topic, not because I expect to convince these guys of anything.
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>>77303084bro been waiting all his life to post that picglad you finally got your chance
>>77303172Thanks bro. Updooted!
>>77303173>camping out waiting for a reply so you can instantly respond when you get one an hour laterlmaoooo
>>77303178>Trying to dunk on other people when you reply within a minute.
>>77303179>replying instantly to a reply an hour after your last post vs replying instantly to a reply 30 seconds after your last postyeah identicalit's ok i know this is what you've been waiting forsoak it in bro
>>77302986post body fatass
>>77303084All I know is my inflammation went away when I gave up that shit.
>>77303575What do you eat my ninja? I got some autoimmune type inflammation shit and it’s fucking me up and need to get my diet under control.
>>77301673>pure oil with spfso just slather pure mineral oil on skin...? or olive oil
>>77300701Is it okay to eat cashews, almonds, etc.?What do I put in my fry pan then?
>>77302856No, I'm right because the totality of evidence is on my side as is recognized by every single health organization on the planet. Learn the difference, retard. Again: that's why the vegetable oil recommendations are the same everywhere, they all look at the same data. What part of this you don't understand?Besides why the the fuck do you trust health authorities consensus about transfats, smoking, asbestos and lead being bad now? You think they are so incompetent they can't be trusted about vegetable oils but about those things you trust them. You pick and choose what to believe. How competent are you in all those fields to so well decide which recommendations are accurate?
>>77303663According to Dr Gundry cashews are not good. Almonds are fine as long as you don’t eat the skin of them which contain lectins.
