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>>77298091
>anxiety
>no libido
>no sleep

its not caffeine's fault you are a weak bitch

>drink coffee/energy drink
>get sleepy

Total scam. Stopped drinking them a long time ago.

>>77298091
>Drink several cups of coffee a day
>Zero anxiety
>huge libido
>morning wood that can pierce the heavens
>Sleep whenever I want for however long I want
>full head of hair
This is a placebo affect anon, your results will be temporary.

>>77299504
Yeah i felt that way in my 20s also

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>>77298094
>>77299504
Most people that claim that caffeine does nothing bad to them and gloat about it are just young and have only been consuming it for under 5 years.
The damage builds up slowly and after a decade you'll start to have all kinds of health issues that you don't know where they are coming from.
Dry skin, poor sleep, always tired, nuked digestive system, all kinds of food intolerances, brittle nails and hair, stained teeth, subpar erections, etc.
Most blame it on "aging" and act like needing all kinds of medications and always being anxious and tired like a zombie is normal.

Be smug while you still can. The coffee reaper is coming for you.

I notice no difference if I drink coffee or not.

>>77298091
its not caffeine
its you being jewish
you've probably been a bit less jewish and noticed some benefits. now, go back to shilling keto across the board you gimp

>>77299633
Read his whole book. Fantastic read and made me activate my almonds, srs.
>>77298091
I switched to Kicking Horse Decaf coffee. Less than 3mg of caffeine per brew since its swiss water method. I love the taste of coffee, so this works great for me.
Went from consuming 600-800mg of caffeine a day to under 20

Caffeine is a great pwo

>>77299504
>benefit from stopping a drug
>"its le placeburr"
You're a retard.

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>>77299633
I'm an oldfag in my early 40s and I've pretty much drank exclusively caffeinated zero colas my whole life and every other day I'll have a monster zero and I mog most zoomers half my age and almost everyone my own age.

>dry skin
nope, always been very oily
>poor sleep
nope, I sleep 8-9 hours a night with clockwork reliability
>always tired
nope, alert as fuck
>nuked digestive system
nope, I could digest scrap metal
>all kinds of food intolerances
I'm white, food intolerences are a brown issue.
>brittle nails and hair
nope, nails feel like hard plastic and I have the same hairline of long, oily hair I've had since 20
>stained teeth
nigger brush your teeth
>subpar erections
kek fatty cope, I spend most of the day diamond hard, I have a sky-high libido

enjoy your caffeine anons, just keep yourselves fit and healthy.
if you want an enemy, it's shit like weed, vaping, tobacco, gambling, excessive alcohol, and, most damaging of all, giving women power over you.

>>77298091
Any proof caffeine causes any health issues?
Also do any anons have advice on getting off it? I’ve tried but the withdrawal headache was brutal

I tried coffee last weak for the first time and its to crunchy for me

>>77299633
Mid-thirties. Dad’s side of the family drinks a ton of coffee so been drinking it regularly since 14 and started a little before. Sleep like a baby every night, have never had a problem with insomnia with exception to being sick or if it’s too hot. When I go to my parents we still drink coffee late in the afternoon, still no issues sleeping. Never had anxiety issues. Don’t even have dependency. If I travel and there isn’t coffee available to me I don’t bother going out to find a coffee shop and have no problem. Even if it’s for a week. Some people just tolerate caffeine poorly. Sucks to be you

>>77299609
>>77299633
Nice try, I'm almost 40 and I've been drinking coffee every day since 20. None of these things affect me and I promise they won't affect you either so long as you take care of yourself.

>>77300987
Peopme say the same shit about smoking weed all day

>>77299811
Based, just be white

>>77300989
>compares drinking caffeine, a mild stimulant
with
>fucking dude lmao weed
put down the bong, loser

>>77301029
Post body. You wont. Curious.

>>77300254
Gotta taper that shit
Green tea is bretty gud way to start cutting down although tastes like shit desu

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>>77300254
>Any proof caffeine causes any health issues?
It's an established fact that caffeine severely reduces blood flow to the brain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjEXroCD4O8

The vasoconstriction effects of the toxin caffeine also affect the entire body causing dozens of side effects.
Consuming caffeine right before sex will have a major negative effect in your sexual performance.
The constricted blood vessels will not be able to deliver as much blood to the area. Ask me how I know.
Caffeine also ruins your skin by dehydrating it and the lack of proper blood flow will give your skin a slightly more pale, sickly tone. To have perfect glowing skin quitting caffeine is completely non-negotiable.
There are also dozens of other side effects like how it ruins your gut health (coffee is antibiotic/antibacterial), how it robs the body of minerals, how it prevents the absorption of many nutrients, etc.
It also stunts the height growth in teenagers and children.

I could provide source for most of it, but anyone with a brain capable of critical thinking and access to google.com can easily verify all of this.
There's a book written by a doctor called Caffeine Blues that goes into a lot of detail on how unhealthy this crap is. Pic related in >>77299633 is a partial summary.

>How do I quit?
Easyway of Quitting Caffeine by Allen Carr. It's the only thing I've seen work consistently. Also works with tobacco and other poisons.

>>77301031
kek you first faggot, you're the one defending fucking weed lmao.

>>77299811
>>77300268
>>77300987
If you've been consuming caffeine consistently every day for years, your opinion on how "it doesn't affect you" isn't valid.
You have no frame of reference to compare your current situation to yourself without caffeine.
You don't know how it affects you because you perceive your everyday caffeinated state as "normal".

You don't know how your own body works without caffeine.
Unless you've gone at least a month or two without it, you can't possibly know how it's affecting you.
If anything, your posts sound more like defensive, passive-aggressive addict cope than anything else.

>>77301077
kek holy cope, anon has his shit pushed back a week by several oldfags and resorts to "muh can't compare yourself without it."
at 42 I mog 99% of men my age, and at least 75% of men half my age. even if dropping caffeine would make the slightest difference (it wouldn't, I've gone weeks at a time when some new caffeine-free zero soda comes out and I get obsessed with it) I'm already in the top 5-10% of men.

>>77301093
Congrats on you being in top shape despite the caffeine.

>>77301077
Kek
>no you don’t know what sleep is
>no you don’t have a reference for your blood pressure
>no you don’t know what healthy nails are for you
>…
A lot of these are objective and we don’t have them and for the subjective ones, I can say with a lot of confidence I don’t have the anxiety others have given that I don’t have any sense I have anxiety while others are a mess etc. Again sucks to be you

>>77301093
>even if dropping caffeine would make the slightest difference (it wouldn't
If that was true you would have no reason to drink it

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>>77301137
Don't bother. Addicts will always bend over backwards to rationalize their habit.
Also, have in mind that caffeine severely reduces the blood flow to the brain. They barely can think clearly.

>>77301180
Reddit alert

>>77301206
he uses mainchan, trust me

>>77301180
>I’m genetically inferior and can’t process caffeine well therefore everyone is
Ok bud. If your brain is so full of blood why can’t you understand your studies are on averages rather than individuals? If some weak portion of the population doesn’t tolerate caffeine well it brings down the average of the caffeine drinking population, giving a “significant” result to publish. Does not imply everyone is unable to handle it. What’s more important than studies saying I should have high blood pressure is me not having high blood pressure even as I get older. And my parents who also drink a lot of caffeine not having caffeine related issues in their 70s. The impact of caffeine is strongly individual specific. This is obvious based through observation (but my studies!). No need to keep insisting everyone else has your shortcomings

Weak bitches buck broken by a fucking bean

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Sounds like I hit a nerve.

>>77301058
Does it address why studies consistently find an increased life span in moderate coffee drinkers though

>>77301276
Lmfao this uncaffeinated brain is absolutely engorged with blood trying and failing to defend his argument
>you’re butthurt

Do you have any actual evidence that your "test has increased greatly"? Or is this just an unsubstantiated feeling of yours?

>>77298091
weak nigga

>>77300989
I did smoke weed every day for a few years and it made me feel like shit. I know the difference even if you don't.

>>77301077
So what you're saying is I'm better than you on caffeine already, and if I were to quit drinking it would be some kind of unstoppable Uber man? Good to know.

ray peat told me to drink several cups a day so im not quitting coffee.

>>77301383
>did smoke weed every day for a few years and it made me feel like shit. I know the difference even if you don't.
Same but with caffeine

>>77301401
Then you are weak.

>>77301077
>You don't know how your own body works without caffeine.
nta but i started drinking caffeine after 2 years of not drinking even a single sip of caffeine (not even a coke zero). I also made my ex gf quit it. I recently started again like 3 months ago and i have been drinking 2 cups every day since then and i know the difference it makes.

I like the boost it gives me in the morning but i don't like that i'm starting to be dependent on it. I have lifted for 2 years without it for example and now i can't go lift without having a coffee which is the start of the addiction so since last week i only drink 1 cup in the morning no matter what time i lift. The only positive i've noticed is that i can quit it caffeine any time i want and i will do that when the work goes quit and when I have deload. Also i will add no caffeine on rest days. But yeah caffeine can be addicting. Oh i also noticed that i had more morning woods when on no caffeine and i was sleeping better but i was lower energy, It also took me 1 month to feel like myself again after quitting in late 2023

I think the sad truth is that men are frailer and frailer with each passing year. Soon men will be just as frail as women, if they aren't already, and it will be almost impossible to find leaders, fathers, and soldiers among the male populace.

>>77301419
So they are frailer because they can't handle caffeine?

>>77301428
Yes.

>>77301418
The "boost" that caffeine gives you is just it relieving the withdrawal symptoms from not consuming it since the day before.
The headaches, tiredness, drowsiness, and so on that are experienced first thing in the morning are not normal.

>>77301447
for me, caffeinated drinks have more intense flavour and hat intensity gives me is a tiny, barely-perceptible little dopamine hit. apparently caffeine hits autists differently, it doesn't stimulate us the same way, but we get a tiny dopamine hit the same way stimming does in a way (best comparison I have)
it stimulates bored tastebuds.
i can slam a can of monster and go straight to bed. my body clock switches me off between 12 and 1am and no bean is changing that. if I want to stay up later only physical activity like walking around, doing a few pushups, can delay the shutdown.
>you're used to it
no. It's always been that way. sleep is the cheat code to health and life and I've always got my 7-9 hours

>>77299633
I've been bombing caffeine for 15 years(300-1200mg/day) and have no issues
I'll take a day or two off whenever it stops hitting as hard but that's it

>>77300254
It increases cortisol and can increase balding but that's it

>>77301029
Yeah I don't get it when they do that
I like a lil weed (4-10mg) a few times a year but caffeine is a tool you can use to improve your life as long as you don't abuse it.

It's a good exercise to cycle off for a few days or a week every year but if you have kids, a physical job, specific periods of required heightened attention or work the night shift, there's no reason to not use caffeine

>>77301058
You just assume, without any evidence whatsoever, that reduced blood flow equals bad. Counterintuitively, reduced blood flow forces your brain to work more efficiently, which boosts activity in the areas responsible for concentration and attention. There is nothing bad or even negative about reduced blood flow to the brain, which you just assume like a half-wit retard.

>>77301559
>It increases cortisol
By a really marginal degree for 2 or so hours, then it all goes back to baseline.

>>77301582
Hormones are all a balance. Any increase hurts your test

>>77301586
>Any increase hurts your test
This is incorrect and you will not be able to find any proof of it.

>>77301586
So I’ll do something that increases test marginally like raw dogging your mother in the ass.

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A caffeine hate thread? It’s BEAN a long time since I’ve seen one of these in the catalog, haha!
>sluuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrp

>>77301447
>The headaches, tiredness, drowsiness, and so on that are experienced first thing in the morning are not normal.
No it’s not, if you get headaches from withdraw *you* have a problem and should stop. You keep assuming because you have adverse effects everyone does. Why won’t you acknowledge not everyone responds to caffeine the same? Again this is clear from basic observation but there are also at least two genes related to it, CYP1A2 and ADORA2A. About half the population has the fast clearance variant which prevents caffeine build up in the system leading to less instances of dependency, insomnia, anxiety. The ADORA gene is related to the brain’s sensitivity, if you have the low sensitivity variant, you are less likely to have dependency or the other issues as well. So again, every study you have shown has ignored that the population is not homogenous. We do not all get headaches from not getting a fix or difficulty sleeping. The effect sizes the studies are finding are elongated by the individuals with slow clearance and high sensitivity pulling the mean down. They do not say anything at an individual level

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>>77301580
>There is nothing bad or even negative about reduced blood flow to the brain,

>>77299633
I'm 28 and should really quit it

>>77298091
>My test has increased greatly
you tested it?
inb4 "no but like my libido and stuff it's just obvious that my testosterone increased"

>>77299811
>>77300268
>>77301546
You'll note the person who you are replying to said "most." The reply you are making would only be a valid argument against their point if they had said "all." Unfortunately, the existence of individuals outside of the criteria does not disprove the claim that most people fit the criteria. Please come up with a better argument, it makes you look weak and feebleminded.

>>77298098
You have ADHD

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caffeine has half life of 5-8 hours,, stays in body 12 hours easily to disturb sleep

you can check out rem and deep sleep quality 3h before sleep, 6h before sleep and 12 hours before sleep dirnking caffeine with samsung smartwatch

Funny enough I cold turkeyed coffee for over two weeks and have been sleeping better. Admittedly I had less energy during the day at first, but I just ate more protein / fat and made sure to drink at least a gallon of water, which seemed to solve my energy problem. But also fuck shitting on people for liking a thing you judgemental cocksucker, if they want to drink coffee, let them.

>>77302829
>smartwatch
Im not a faggot kek

I read studies that said caffeine is fine, you just want to avoid it in the first hour you're awake.

>>77299633
I'm 57 and none of that has happened. YMMV.

>>77299633
Vegantards, ketoschizo and now people are making up lies and shilling for no coffee. I wonder why

>>77298091
when i quit caffeine (along with most other super processed junk if that matters) my blood pressure went from almost medical emergency of 180/122, to text book perfect of 120/80. Resting heart rate went from 90-100 to ~60 bpm. I got to these numbers in less than 2 weeks of cutting out 99% processed trash from my diet (I still drink ovaltine with whole milk but that's it), with no medication or workout routine change (I don't really workout)

>>77302920
>when i quit carrots (along with most other super processed junk if that matters) my blood pressure went from almost medical emergency of 180/122, to text book perfect of 120/80. Resting heart rate went from 90-100 to ~60 bpm. I got to these numbers in less than 2 weeks of cutting out 99% processed trash from my diet (I still drink ovaltine with whole milk but that's it), with no medication or workout routine change (I don't really workout)

>>77298091
Just had my morning black coffee. Kys OP

I never drink caffeine no coffee energy drinks sodas teas etc and I ended up being a complete loser in my 30s, sometimes I wonder if there’s a connection there. Seems like everyone is very successful in life and they all drink coffee or other things.

>>77303047
Everyone i know who is financially successful is overweight or on anti depressants. Maybe i should start neglecting my health.

>>77298091
I have no anxiety, high libido and good sleep and I drink 3-4 coffees + monster every day. Sounds like you psyop'd yourself.

>let me just permanently inhibit my adenosine receptors, how could this possibly have a negative effect on my long term health if it makes me a more efficent wagie?
This is what regular coffee drinkers actually believe