even here i often see tards claiming they allegedly got >too much musclefor BMI to matter. is it cope or are they right?
>>77308114if you are out of the bmi healthy range (or the very bottom of the overweight range), you are either:>fat>roidingnatties cannot build enough muscle to be considered obese on the bmi scale. impossible. anyone telling you otherwise is either fat or roiding, and they'll gaslight you about it.
>>77308125BMI is kinda fucked for people with certain disabilities so you can add that to the list too
>>77308114technically possible (pretty much only men and most often through steroids) but almost always actually cope, just ask them to post body and see. you can check stats of hydrostatic bf% measurements vs nmi to see the truth on a broader scale thoughalso, if we're talking health-wise, while an actually obese bf% is worse (central obesity especially), excess weight is still bad for your body even if it's all muscle -stress on the cardiovascular system (already stressed if roiding), plus weight on the joints
>>77308128*bmi, not nmi sorry
>>77308125This is not true. People such as Polynesians can be at low body fat and still score obese on BMI.
>>77308114The people harping on BMI being outdated or them not actually being obese because of how muscular they are are coping. People who are actual outliers have the body to prove it, it's extremely evident so they'd never be mistaken for fat, they know how and therefore they have no reason to be that insecure (and also know how exceptional they are).
if you're at the point that you have a BMI over 25 while being low bf% you definitely know about fitness enough that you have no need to worry about BMI, while if you need BMI to tell you whether you are fat and it's over 25 then you definitely are fat. This is ignoring the fact that BMI is a statistical tool so it was never meant to be super precise for individuals.There's a bigger problem with it though: skinnyfat people. This was probably less of a problem when it was invented in the 19th century, but nowadays a large portion of the population has excessive amounts of body fat while still falling inside the normal BMI range because they have little to no muscle. Look at pic related, that was 10 years ago and the amount of arguably fat people with a BMI<25 was far from insignificant, especially for the men
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>>77308114The biggest detractors are women complaining it was made using males. Which makes no sense because that would always put them as under weight unless theyre comically fat.
>>77308200it's interesting how a BMI of 19 has higher rates than 30, my brother has a BMI of slightly over 19 and he doesn't seem unhealthily thin
>>77308125agree.>I workout thats why Im over the normal BMI range!Can you see your abs/obliques clearly?>No, but...You're fat.
>>77308172crazy. barely any men are below 15% bodyfat. disgusting
>>77308211Low bmi is often indicative of other conditions like cancer, malnutrition, etc that are horrible for health.
>>77308211>>77308255>The raised risks of many outcomes at low BMI, coupled with the fact that mental health conditions showed the strongest inverse associations with low BMI, might indicate pervasive effects of mental health problems on a range of outcomes, through pathways that could include poorer self-care and less access to or use of health-care services, or both. The persistence of inverse associations between BMI and deaths from self-harm and interpersonal violence even in sensitivity analyses in which follow-up was started up to 10 years after BMI recording, or when individuals with previously recorded mental illness were excluded, argues against reverse causality. However, it remains possible that depression and related diseases leading to appetite suppression even over a long time period or without a formal diagnosis could partly explain this finding. Imposing a longer period between BMI recording and study entry tended to attenuate associations between low BMI and outcomes; this might have been observed because a side-effect of this approach is to reduce the amount of person-time included at young ages, and we separately found the strongest associations between low BMI and mortality to be in younger people. The analyses stratified by age also suggested that mortality was minimised in older individuals at higher BMI, perhaps indicating increased importance of nutritional reserves in older age. This finding might suggest that healthy weight recommendations need to account for age, but further work is needed to establish whether increased weight is actually beneficial for older individuals: there is increased risk of reverse causation in older people because of the increased prevalence of most diseases, and BMI might be compromised as a measure of adiposity in the oldest individuals because of complications from loss of muscle mass.this is quite the articlehttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6249991/
>>77308125What if I’m big boned
BMI is retarded. It was invented by an astronomer/sociologist (lmao) and never intended for today's usage. Compare this to, say, the Broca Index, which was invented by an actua mathematician fworking for the military, and you will see quite wuickly that the BMI is overcomplicated and useless, while the Broca Index is easy to apply and far more usable irl.The BMI was invented to describe the mathematical ideal "average man", while the Broca index was invented to quickly assume the fighting ability of a person, or rather, if he or she was usable to the army. So again, you can see that one is some kind of utopian bullshit gobbledigook, while the other is something you can and should use for actual results.But anyway, even if we ignore all that, there is still the fact that in 1998, the BMI got changed by the WHO to increase the number of obese people artificially (before that, up to BMI ~28 (27.8 to be exact) was considered "normal"), to help insurance companies and the government to increase payments and health taxes. Thus, the modern obesity crisis was created and fighting it turned into a multi-billion endeavor that is basically a money-rinting machine to this day. Oh yeah, they also changed it again to define even more people as overweight now. We are now at a point where the classical average weight (height in cm - 100 = normal weight in kg, which is about 180 lbs for a 5'11 man) is actually the uppermost end of normal, maybe even slightly overweight already if we go by the most reent version of the BMI.tl;dr: BMI is shit, because the WHO wants your tax dollars
>>77308300post body
>>77308211>my brother has a BMI of slightly over 19 and he doesn't seem unhealthily thinHe is, you're just both anorexic. That 140 lbs at 6' tall. An example of BMI 19 is Sir Mo Farah, a British former long-distance runner. Outside of such phenotypes, you usually won't find a BMI of 19, which shoul tell you something.
>>77308315body
>>77308300>more people than ever are obese now>people are really more skinny just a few decades ago>it's because they changed the BMI rangeLardass cope
>>77308320yeah, thought so
>>77308315>>77308321>>77308322>no arguments, not even an attemptLel, Americans.
>>77308321>people are really more skinny just a few decades agoStrawman or American reading comprehension?
>>77308127Like what kind of disabilities
>>77308270>wall of text to say "anorexia is bad"
>>77308114BMI was sampled from normies. Obviously it won't work on bodybuilders. That said, bodybuilders know this and therefore don't give a shit about BMI. Fatties on the other hand obsess over BMI.
>>77308316>you're just both anorexicmy BMI is 25, and yeah my bro is cardio-maxxed>>77308300>t was invented by an astronomer/sociologisthe also was a matematician/statistician>Broca Indexit just estimates an individual's ideal weight, it doesn't even have the same use case as BMI, you put a lot of effort into this post just to come off as a clueless retard
>>77308132>People such as Polynesians can be at low body fatStopped reading there.
>>77308348>Obviously it won't work on bodybuilders.>bodybuildersroidtransexuals*
>>77308114>even here i often see tards claiming they allegedly got>>too much muscle>for BMI to matter. is it cope or are they right?BMI assumes someone doesn't lift weights. After lifting for 2 years you may have 20 pounds of muscle more than average. After 5 years you may have 30-40. Roiders might have up to 60. BMI charts would call you obese even if you actually have sub-15% bodyfat.
>>77308125Objectively wrong. Natties can build 20-40 pounds of muscle.
>>77308125I'm 182cm and have 78 fat free mass. Even with 10% bodyfat with 86kg I would be overweight according to bmi. That you are a shitskin twink with low ffmi doesn't mean that pure Germanic people with superior genes can't have high ffmi natty.
>>77308340Skinny-fat aka klinefelter's
>>77308423Mogs me, I only have 64kg at 185cm.
>>77308434So not disabilities then
Bmi and cico are outdated memes for midwits. Your bell curve doesn't make sense because the average person does believe in cico and bmi sadly.
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>>77308423>I'm 182cm and have 78 fat free mass. Even with 10% bodyfat with 86kgbullshit.Youre either way fatter than you think or simply lying about your weight and height. post body fatso
>>77308114>is it cope or are they right?100% cope.
>>77308209Not just any males, HUWHITE MALE NAZIS. So obviously it doesn't work for browns and colored and women and ESPECIALLY NOT FOR WHITE WOMEN SHITLORD. Or so I've read on the internet, lol.
>>77308668No one says this
>>77308670Go loiter in the fatosphere for a bit, they say that kinda nonsense incessantly.
>>77308676You seem like a better fit for that but they're right if their argument is that humans have different body compositions and metabolisms which race factors in, which nullified bmi or at least puts it in it's place as an oversimplistic method
>>77308114Lol. If you have too much muscle for BMI, then you know if you're ok or not. BMI is for basic bitches, and for them it works alright, it's not perfect, it's good enough. You can do better, but the vast majority won't, so... It works for them.
100% of the bitching about bmi is copeBodybuilder and strong athletes won’t give a shit about it because they know betterThe rest is fatties coping thinking they have muscle
it is, but for for the opposite reason people think, it's not because some people are considered fat when they're not, it's because the majority of people especially older women in the healthy range are still too fat.
>>77308114 1 pic = 1000 words
>>77308114>why do normies say BMI is outdated?to justify being fat without getting judgedBF% >>> BMIfor literally all health outcome predictionsbut most people don't know their bodyfat %, and BMI is good enough>>77308125fpbpcan already predict the retards that don't read the>obeseand complain that they're muh overweight and thus you must be wrongobese is BMI >30and has pretty much guaranteed adverse health effectsno matter if the excess is muscle or fat
>>77308114normies love invalidating normative assessments due to edge cases. body builders have "overweight" bmis despite being healthy. meanwhile the fat fucks critiquing bmi will factually bring up how it was created arbitrarily. what they ignore is the hazard ratio and how epidemiologically, bmi is highly predictive for increasing or decreasing all cause mortality. while the formula used was seemingly arbitrary, the cutoffs were determined based on assessing hazard ratios on general populations. in short, high and low bmis are necessarily unhealthy at large, and yes these statistics even include bodybuilders in spite of their other healthy markers.
>>77308684That's true, if you adjust BMI for race you see that asians suffer the health effects of excess fat at much lower BMIs than is to be expected. Also, that BMI is likely to underpredict body fat and its morbidities, especially in women. So BMI is actually too lenient, not too strict. Don't think the people complaining about it want to check their waist-to-height ratio instead and confirm that BMI was never the problem though. Even if we had the money and means to waste to give people a hydrostatic or DEXA at their appointments to soothe their feelings, it's just going to come back confirming you're too fat (probably more so than BMI suggests), and the health consequences of that don't care about social justice or food deserts or other factors.
>>77308125I'm 6'3" 185 and constantly get called anorexic loser freak alien retard...
>>77308114Its cope. BMI works for 99% of the population.
>>77308423postbody
>>77308793Roidtranny and fat fuck. Both unhealthy. BMI just keeps winninh.
>>77308132lol you've never lived in the Islands.Canoe niggers are either obese slobs or emaciated skellies.
>>77308844Arnold's quote is wrong. Being on roids and not working out you build more muscle than someone on roids who works out. It allows total frauds. The real status symbol is being true to yourself. All these roiders feel small and weak on the inside because they know they are frauds, and are constantly trying to get bigger to compensate for that eternal nagging feeling of inadequacy.
>>77309088>Being on roids and not working out you build more muscle than someone on roids who works out.*you build more muscle than someone not on roids who works out
>>77308125It’s like 1-2% of men. Not totally unheard of, but generally it’s just fatty cope.
>>77308125lmao you have shit genetics. It's really not very hard as a natty to be out of healthy bmi range. Not HUGELY out of range like some roid freak, but out of range none the less.
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>>77309107No one's talking about just being slightly overweight by BMI though. Even health-wise, that's considered wiggle room, even beneficial for some populations.
>>77308114who is healthier?>24bmi who never works out>26bmi who often gymsaccording to bmifags the first one. Even waist to height ratio would be better indicator than bmi
>>77309125>>77309125nice strawman, dipshit. nobody's said anything like that. that's like saying the waist-to-height ratio is bullshit because having one of 0.49 vs 0.51 is so similar. this shit is statistics. how you think "healthy" ranges are determined for other medical things? is checking blood pressure bullshit because they have such an exact number as 120/80 for the criteria?
>77309125>who is healthier>>120/80 bp who never works out>>180/140 bp who often gyms>according to bpfags the first one
>>77309108So women like chubby men?
>>77308412>BMI assumes someone doesn't lift weights.It's the other way around, BMI came from an era where most men had a lot more muscle than they do now, and the concept of "overweight" was lighter than it is now. If your BMI is at or above 25 you need to lose weight. You are not fit or healthy.
>>77308916You wish - the average rugby player would have a BMI of 30+
>>77308243Size mogs irl, especially if you're a manlt you can't afford to be a skinny faggot
>>77309177Yup, that's why "skinnyfat" (healthy bmi but overweight body fat) is becoming more and more prevalent. Lifting doesn't throw it off too much, unless steroids.
>>77309188For professionals, forwards can break into the low obese range, the rest are solidly in overweight. I thought we were talking about healthy bodies though, they have tons of chronic musculoskeletal issues.
>>77308114Unless you're a roidtranny BMI is fine
>>77309107>It's really not very hard as a natty to be out of healthy bmi rangethen post body. i have yet to see an overweight fatso put their money where their mouth is, because they look like fat sacks of shit and they know it.
>>77308316>using mo farah to support the idea that 19 BMI is unhealthyi kekd
>>77309107>It's really not very hard as a natty to be out of healthy bmi rangeThis Lots of twinks itt 175cm 100kg no issue regularly sprinting all health markers are perfect + i actually feel tremendously better than when i was "normal weight". I also do very high volume
>>77309264your body looks kind of like mine did when I was fat
>>77309264you know we can tell you're exaggerating your fitness levels, right? you can't jog a mile without getting gassed with that body. "sprinting" means what, running for 5 seconds before wheezing?
>>77309274This is what i looked like 5ish months into training at like 75kg (highball, i dont weight myself often but that was the maximum weight id fluctuate to) before bulking >>77309281Is this how you're gonna cope now ? If you're >>77309234 then i urge you to post body to know what im talking to otherwise i'll just ignore your posts since you're disinterested in actual discussion (like everyone in this board but cmon)
>>77308200Thanks you, you killed this thread.
>>77308517hes trolling, I wrote the comment you replied tothings like charcot-marie-tooth disease which has muscle wastage.
>>77308300Lardass cope, see:>>77308200
>>77308783damn some men on that at 25 BMI where you become overweight can be between 40% and like 15% body fat. wild distribution
>>77309298This literally proves bmi is bullshit since the most healthy people are 25-27 bmi
>>77308434Do you honestly believe all skinny fats have knifters.
>>77308300>was invented by an astronomer/sociologist (lmao)In other words a professional statistician. Hedge funds employ astronomy PhDs
>>77309303It just means that the numbers are off and need to get shifted, BMI is extremely valuable otherwise you nobhead.
>>77309287not me. you're fat, out of shape, and it's obvious. i need to cut at 25 bmi, and you're demonstrably fatter than i am. which is clear from your bmi, but also your body. i've been in the gym for years. i don't doubt you lift weights. there are zero (0) people with your body i've ever seen who have the fitness levels you pretend to have. like i said, your "sprints" are probably 5 seconds of running followed by subsequent wheezing. i've seen fat guys jog at 5 mph for a mile and feel like they're dying.
>>77309316You literally have more egregious love handles than me lmao
>>77308412A natty can maybe gain 30lbs of muscle in his life max. So BMI probably wont apply to elite natty lifters.But guess what, you are not. You are just fat.I've heard many fat middle aged guys saying how the BMI doesnt apply to them because they "played ball" in school and still have a lot of muscle underneath. Never mind they havent exercised since high school gym class either.Delusional fat retards.
>>77309325you're actually delusional.
>>77309088so how does your tiresome "roidtranny" screed make Arnold's quote wrong?Are you saying he didnt work hard to get like that?He just took some roids and sat on the couch?
>>77309341You look like the only thing you train is biceps. Of course you think everyone is a heartlet. To add salt to your wound : i did mma and kickboxing for the 3 years prior to taking up lifting and when i left them my main source of exercise was running and calisthenics
>To add salt to your wound : i did mma
>>77309331Any pound of muscle adds substantial work to your metabolism/bmr
>>77309264>>77309287Hahahaha you are FAT bro
>>77309325That guy is much leaner than you. You are fat bro, stop coping.
>>77309468>>77309469>Gets btfo >Damage controlsYou lost
>>77308114I hear so many from doctors to fitness influencers to normies say it's was developed for white men. I've yet to see any of them suggest or come up with an alternative.Until then, we should use calipers to measure fat.
>>77309513You can also just use your eyes
>>77308235If ur worried about bmi ur probably a fat fucking freak if you look good u just don't care
>>77309325Delulu
>>773094521 lbs of new muscles raises you bmr by about 6kcal/day.Anyhoo what does your retarded reply even have to do with my post?
>>77309211Nope - even amateurs can be. Just because you're a fat fuck doesn't mean everyone else is the same.
>>77309562>6kcal/day.Proof cico is a meme
>>77308125I know this is bait.I got a BMI of 29.7. I am definitely too heavy, about 17-20% body fat. Even if I cut to essential levels, I'd be too heavy.
>>77309606Post body
>>77309574>even amateurs can beyeah, no shit, anyone can be obese by bmi by being fat, i thought we were talking about impressive lean athletes
>>77309619Promise me you won't jack off.
>>77309746More Bench Press. Immediately.
>>77308125I'm 14.5% fat, somewhat visible abs, and my BMI is overweight. But I'm not even particularly muscular, I look skinny enough that people actually make fun of me. I'm very tall, but BMI scale by height so you know.
>>77308114If your height is the middle of the bell curve it's fine if you're tall or a Manlet it means nothing. I'm 6'3 210lbs and I'm labeled overweight yet I am skinny as fuck. Inverse is true where a 5'1 Manlet is underweight at like 120lbs even though they look like a lotr dwarf at that weight
>>77308114BMI is good for the average person because high BMI is practically the same thing as high fat. For a sufficiently /fit/ and muscular person, you can have an "overweight" BMI while having a relatively low bodyfat percentage.
>>77309748Recovering from rotator cuff shit, so I'm slacking push. But in normal times, I don't flat bench. Only OHP, ring dips, and incline bench. Don't want to build phat titties.
>>77308172Bmi 37, 20% bfShe's the chosen one.
>>77308423post body if you're so confident in that
