>>77313657
This guy could literally drop dead any second now, is that what you want?

>>77313657
you do not keep the gains even for a few months.

>>77313660
Yes please

>for life
Let’s see this guy in 6 months

gpt make me a post so i can advertise my shitty gym tiktok. make it the laziest bait ever. optimize for my audience which is indians.

>>77313657
Zoomers are the most detestable human specimens next to jeets and abos.

>>77313711
He's not even a zoomer. Far from it actually

Fizeek looks wrong, all show no go. Big natties are forced to become strong, gives them the wide yoked look while definition (from higher bf%) and arms/delts are 'lagging' relative to the roided look. Roiders that actually lift maintain the same look but just scaled up.

This guy has arms and delts, but one look at his neck and face in relation and it just looks off. Never go form over function regardless of drug use

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>>77313711
Anon...

>>77313657
>Why isn't this the new meta?
Because it's bullshit? Every single roider loses their gains when they quit, every single fucking time. You need the elevated testosterone to maintain it and after roids you won't even be close to what a man your age should be able to. Every faggot on this board that says they blasted roids and quit with no ill effects are fucking lying. Period.

>>77313722
This guy came back from a brutal surgery. The fact he looks like this again is pretty incredible.
Some roidheads are just built diff
>t. Ronnie Coleman who survived sepsis and can sort of walk again.
Then there's those that lose their mind like Calum von Moger

>>77313841
>what is permanently improved muscle cells
Sure you'll lose the glycogen and some size, but all things held equal. the former juicer (say 3 years "sober") with still be stronger than a natty of equal experience (assuming same weight class)

>>77313669
You retain beneficial adaptations for life, the same way muscle memory works.

>>77313720
>>77313825
He missed the zoomer mark by 4 years. For fuck sake, do you retards just live in a constant state of hyperbole? 4 years of life as a millennial versus 28 in zoomie years? Or maybe, just maybe, you can find retarded douchebags in every generation and play this generation versus generation game is a colossal retarded waste of time/effort/minimal brain power you have left.

>>77313847
>still be stronger than a natty of equal experience (assuming same weight class)
You're literally just pulling this out your ass. No they won't. The strength adaptations of roiders are dogshit cause they relied on quantity over efficiency. They grow so fast they don't develop the same motor unit recruitment and when they quit they are weaker than natties who did have to make the neural adaptations to get stronger.

>>77313850
I hate how this place has devolved into retards just making shit up. You begin to lose adaptations within a week of ceasing training.

>>77313657
I will fight anyone here roided or not

https://discord.gg/CX6F223Wx

>roid so you can look completely normal with t shirt on
Ok I think I'll keep my natty card until my health depends on trt/roids, or there's a civil war or I somehow joined a cartel or something.

>>77313876
Yes, but if you start training again, you regain muscle much quicker and with significantly less effort than it took to build it in the first place. (I.e., some beneficial adaptations are retained long term).
I'm not claiming that you can go off steroids and not lose any gains, but you will have an advantage compared to where you would have been as a lifetime natural.

>>77313902
>regain muscle much quicker and with significantly less effort than it took to build it in the first place
No you fucking don't! Seriously where are you getting this bullshit. Roiders can hop off gear, train till they pass out and in the end, unless they have some stellar PCT protocols, will end up weaker than a natty cause they literally wont have the homone to maintain it. We know the science, any cycle strong enough to get you marked results is going to permanently fuck up your endogenous T production. In fact for many dudes, going natty isn't even possible because they'll have to stay on TRT just to be normal. Shut the fuck up with your retarded bullshit. Far more knowledgeable former roiders have come forward and explained as much, the science of roids & endocrinology is pretty fucking well established. You may as well be trying to convince me that black is white, up is down, you're not a retarded faggot, etc.

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>>77313710
kek

>>77313657
Im thinking about that too
>Blast for a cut
>Keep my strength (or even gain it) and look good now, cruise for a while then hop off

>>77313908
>former roiders have come forward and explained as much

>I totally would be bigger than I am now if I was lifetime natty guise!

>>77313853
Kek i love this cope
>Look at these fucking zoomers ! Ugh these fucking kids they make me sick they're so stupid if only i had children of my own to nag to
>Anon he's actually 37...
>WHO CARES FUCKING ZOOMERS REEEE
mental illness

>>77313853
>generation versus generation
This, the generational warfare meme is ment to prevent the young from learning from the old and the old from being cared for by the young. It's a form of cultural destruction being perpetrated upon you by foreign bad actors. Reject it if you want a real life, embrace it at your doom.

>>77313913
There are no short cuts, they bleed you dry

>>77313902
>>77313908
No he's actually right.
I roided all through then pretty stopped lifting for several years.
Pretty much lost all gains.
Started up again as natty and the mass back on even faster than when I was on roids.
When you roid you grow more organelles in the muscle cells like mitochondria which pretty much stick around for life.
Now of course as a natty I never got back to the level I was roided but I basically grew to the "natty limit" in just a few months.

>>77313963
*roided all through college

>>77313915
You have the reading comprehension of a kindergartner.

>>77313963
What's more likely that all the research & confessed roiders are telling the truth or that some tard troll on 4chan is full of shit? Hmm...

>>77313963
>>77313973
perhaps he will post pictures

>>77313973
here you go faggot since the only thing you believe is studies written by dyel eggheads and not real world observations from people actually experiencing it.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3892473/

>>77313973
You seem very upset throughout this entire thread. Is it roid rage or something else?

>>77313657

>quit

That's the whole problem. Starting roids means you have internal issues causing body dysmorphia. If you think you'll just blast for a quick cycle and then hop off, you're sorely mistaken. You won't ever be happy, and will be constantly chasing the next level.

Good luck

>>77313963
post body for chuckles grapenuts

>>77313657
I constantly hear that but don’t know anyone who accomplished it
They either completely deflate, keep roiding or die.
Can you give a single example of someone who completely stopped roiding for years(no trt) and still looks extremely jacked?
>>77314072
This

>>77313914
>breaking your spine to dodge the point this hard
This post gave me full blown talmudic aids

>>77313657
I'm not in a rush to make gains I'm already buff and lean enough where people suck my dick about it

>>77313866
You realize strength athletes roid right? You fucking retard.

>>77314072
I mean I can see roids if you work a physical/dangerous job or are a athlete and want a boost to performance. At that point its a risk/reward scenario.

>>77313853
Millennials are 1982 to 1995, Zoomers are 1996to 2013, and Alpha is 2014 to 2031 NVGGVR deal with it

>>77313850
>it was real in my mind

>>77314041
>a study in mice
>"Previous strength training with OR WITHOUT the use of anabolic steroids facilitates subsequent re-acquisition of muscle mass even after long intervening periods of inactivity"
All it found was that the muscle mass gained from prior training provides a benefit for future training, which is true of both natty and fake gains.

>>77313850
No you don't. You don't retain shit. I blasted and cruised for 3 years straight and within 6 months (really a lot less) I was around where I was before I started. I had a good natty physique so don't get me wrong I was glad I could maintain that, but "keeping gains" is noobscience.

How it works is like this: if you keep eating like you were on gear you'll keep most (not all) of your muscle but will get a lot fatter. If you get disciplined with food you will stay lean but lose significant muscle. A natural body cannot maintain an enhanced body composition, it is a matter of hormones. You have to give up something.
Today I'm in my 40s and around 12% bf (I was 8-10% on gear) and still get compliments on my physique and I don't gross out women. I don't regret roiding it was fun but natty life is better imo. Stressing about sources, risk of infection, legal issues, sides, pinning every day, it's so dumb and the roid tranny thing is true, you start the live the lifestyle of a transhumanist drug addict like a troon.

>>77314930
Iain Valliere went completely off for 7 months and maintained 240lbs shredded

>>77314934
If someone is 240lbs shredded at 5'10 they are not "completely off". It's mental that this needs to be explained.

Tom Prince is an example of how quickly mass is lost on a pro BB who actually ceases all drug use. Or Bob Paris. Iain Valliere is a drug dealer who likely will never stop using.

>>77313657
>Why isn't this the new meta?
Because
>lift
>keep the gains for the rest of your life
Has been the meta for the past 3000 years.

>>77314945
He documented it clearly. When he retired he went on TRT for a while, then stopped that to regain fertility and his test plummeted to like 200-300. He was off for 7 months and only did his fertility program. HCG and FSH helped him get to 650-900 while off test and any anabolics. If you think that's not "completely off", so be it. He's been open and consistent about this the entire time.

>>77313657
That doesn't look healthy.

>>77313669
You keep an increased satelite cell count for the rest of your life which makes it easier to make gains and put on muscle. This is not up for debate.

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That's not how it works, sweaty

>>77313847
Citation very fucking needed.

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Every time roiders pin, their natty test production take a hit permanently.
To resemble a man, they often times need to do "TRT therapy", a.k.a continue roiding.
Steroids are for losers, this is a widely known and accepted fact.

>>77313902
This is true and due to greater number of muscle nuclei. That is the mechanism behind "muscle memory" and why anyone who was muscular previously can gain it back easier than a novice can initially put it on. You don't have to roid for it, just gotta get big.

>>77315083
This idiot spews misinformation because he is ignorant and insecure. There is no "per-pin" reduction in natty testosterone levels, you can be on for test for 3 months or 2 years - the amount of reduction will be identical and is temporary. If you decide to get off you have a 98% chance of recovering fine back to where you were naturally.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4854084/
Btw, using smug reddit-tier cartoon images only makes you look even more beta.

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35000898/
303 men
2 years of testosterone undecanoate injections, followed for 12 months after stopping.
The researchers found that LH and FSH recovered progressively toward each participant's own pre-treatment baseline after cessation. Recovery was slow but ongoing, and the authors concluded that reproductive hormone recovery occurs after stopping testosterone

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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16650651/

"A 2006 meta-analysis pooled data from 30 studies and 1,549 healthy men who received exogenous testosterone-based hormonal contraception. After stopping treatment:
67% recovered normal sperm production by 6 months
90% by 12 months
96% by 16 months
100% by 24 months (model estimate)"

While this study focused on fertility, the suppression and recovery occur through the same HPTA mechanism which controls natural testosterone production. There is simply much more data available on spermatogenesis recovery compared to pure serum testosterone. levels.

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Just to show what testosterone can do to the common man among all this ridiculous fearmongering. Man, /fit/ has fallen a long way since the golden days..
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11701431/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

20 week duration, no training, controlled diet of participants:
25 mg: ~0 kg (no meaningful change)
50 mg: ~0 kg (no meaningful change)
125 mg: +3.4 kg
300 mg: +5.2 kg
600 mg: +7.9 kg

The TRT dose (125mg) alone puts on 7.5 lbs alone of muscle mass, WITH ZERO TRAINING, a pure dose-response effect of testosterone on muscle as this was the point of the study. We can only speculate how much would be added with proper training.

In this previous study the effects of training were measured:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101
So we can roughly assume that the results would be much improved even on the safe TRT dose of 125mg, perhaps 6kg muscle mass added. If you have been lifting for more than 3 years you will never add 6kg of fat-free mass to your body no matter how much you autismmaxx, you need some more test to do that - to get JACKED. Of course if you are a little manlet with normal test levels then it's not necessary because your tiny frame fills out very fast.

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>>77315104
>this is what roidtrannies want you to believe and this is how they cope at night

>roidtranny:
>juice their balls into oblivion, pump synthetic test like junkies, get bitch tits and a shrinking dick
>rage when you call them a roid monkey
>mental breakdown if you say they look like shit

>tranny:
>chemically castrate themselves, pump estrogen like junkies, chop their dick off and get fake tits
>rage when you call them a troon
>mental breakdown if you say they look like shit

>both:
>same pathetic body dysmorphia faggots
>same "my new chemicals = my true self" cope
>same seething hatred for normal people
>same ruined fertility, heart exploding from gear, liver failing from pills
>same "affirm me or you're literally Hitler" bullshit
>same greasy, delusional, attention-whoring freaks who can't accept reality
>one is a roided up testmaxxing faggot pretending to be a god
>the other is an estrogen-pumping dick-chopping faggot pretending to be a woman
>they're literally the exact same mentally ill subhuman
roidtrannies and troons are the same picture
just different flavors of retarded chemical trannies

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>>77315200
Nattybros simply can't stop winning

>>77315200
Yes.

Stop talking about the benefits of steroids. Only denigrate and FUD steroid use.
t. gatekeeping roidGAWD

>>77315128
>>77315184
cool story bro you had me for about thirty seconds

>>77315056
clear and concise summary of what several people here (including me) have been trying to say.
But natty retards who dont even lift will spend the rest of their weekend in this thread telling you you are wrong because of some 20 second tiktok video they saw.

>>77315184
for the 20th million time, the study measures "fat free mass" not muscle mass.
and if you plot the weight gain on a graph as kilograms per week, you'd see almost of that gain is in the first 2 weeks because most of it is water and glycogen.

>>77315197
NTA but you are a worthless moron. He actually provided information. You provided an anime picture.

I genuinely don't know what is wrong with you people that you have to turn every topic into a pissy slapfight
>millenial vs zoomer
>natural versus roider
>runner versus lifter
There could be so much productive, enjoyable conversation happening on here. Instead we get slapfights and stupid insults shitting everything up every single time.

>>77316361
You people? Who the fuck is “you people”? Take that racist shit somewhere else guy we don’t want it here.

>>77316354
There's a thing called common sense, I know this term not familiar to you zoomers, but try googling it and try using it sometimes, 'kay?

Ok this thread has convinced me to blast tren this summer

is he really half asian?