what does this shit even do
>>77314161Literally everything but you're sub1pl8 so it doesn't matter
>>77314171Fpbp
>>77314171knower
It works your anterior deltoids and your triceps.
>>77314171> but you're sub1pl8 so it doesn't matterThis but sub 2pl
>>77314209I feel like 2pl8 is too harsh of a jump, you can go from country to country, state to state, gym to gym for years and see it like 2 or 3 times unless you head to a "serious" powerlifting or oly gym. Hell not even 1pl8 will be common80kg is good for normie standards.
>>77314220That dude doesn't even ohp 225 especially for reps. Ask him to post body if he retorts to this.
>>77314220> I feel like 2pl8 is too harsh of a jumpYou feel that because your ohp is sub-2pl
There no reason to lift that heavy
Have elbow pain and OHP makes it worse, what can I do to work the same muscle groups but with low elbow strain?
Kettlebell clean and press
>>77314238Man up and just lift heavy, your body and elbows will adapt
It's the single most based lift and basically it trades risking death or permanent injury for actually looking like you lift and becoming strong as fuck.
>>77314238Deload for two weeks then try again. If the problem persists then I suggest handstand push-ups against a wall. It's tricky to learn but once you get the technique down it's pretty much pain proof and decently heavy depending on your weight. Goes a long way. You'll have to go back to ohp eventually but ideally your pain will have been fixed and you'll be strong enough not to strain by then.
>>77314245Ohp is one of the safest lifts lmao, safer than bench/squat/dl. Just dump the barbell forward if anything. I literally use suicide grip on ohp with no danger
>>77314250Idk man I don't dare to truly go to failure on it like I do on bench out of fear of dumping the bar on my head. But also if you fuck up the form and do it unevenly too harsh or whatever you damage your shoulders pretty bad. Form is kind of tricky on it, too. If I grab the bar wrong and notice I just dump it, cool down and try again. With some other lifts I may push through anyways but I try to be as much of a purist with the OHP as I can cause I feel like every tiny misstep is damage to my shoulders.Deadlift is definitely a dangerous one as well but mostly cause people dare to go heavy as fuck on it. Like I bet most people are afraid to try put a weight that's out of their league over their head, but try it with deadlift every now and then and are always trying to make progress no matter what skipping parts of the progression to fo faster etc. Deadlift allows for more retardation and that's why the injury risk is high. If you tried to increase your 1rm with ohp every day it's time to perform the lift you'd die.
I only do it behind the neck anymore, the stretch feels healthy and it's the only side delt work I can stand, lateral raises feel like shit
>>77314262When I do strict presses, I rack off the safety bars. Even on failure I can usually catch it on my shoulder in a front rack but I just need to bend the knee/hip a bit to drop it on the bar. When I push press, I just drop it on the floor and jump away. More safe than an unspotted bench
>>77314318I always bench alone, just dump to the side. The only risk is that some idiot might think I need help and rush unsolicited to fuck uo a perfectly failed lift, otherwise with flawless technique there's zero danger.
For me it's The Push Press
For me it's The Klokov Press®
For me it’s The Bench Press
For me it’s The Savickas Press
For me it's the Panini Press
For me it’s the Hydraulic Press
For me it's the de press
>>77314249I'm weak as fuck anon, there's a 0% chance I can do a handstand pushup even with the help of a wall. Do I just go for regular pushups then until I build the strength to go into handstand?
>>77314220I rep 1pl8 pretty easy. But I have genetic freak shoulders that are a pain in the ass when it comes to chest work because they'll take over the entire lift and my chest will do nothing. I benched 225 with barely any chest activation.
>>77314443Try benching a real weight instead of 225 and your chest will have no choice but to activate
>>77314450It did when I benched real weight and I fixed my shit. I think you missed the issue that I was benching 225 with all shoulders.
>>77314458If you were benching 225lbs with only shoulder you should be able to ohp the same since it’s all shoulders
i'm a bit late but For me it's the Mating Press
>>77314238Your nerve is caught up in your shoulder. Don't listen to these other retards..Need to strengthen rotator cuff and get massage, not stretch for it. Massage the rotator cuff inserts to keep it loose. Increment only by 2.5 kg each increase. You will snap your shit if you play with ohp. Injuries happen from overworked ligaments, acute overload and tight muscle.
btw powershitters that claim they are 2 or more plates OHPing are lying.If you have to drop under the bar and use your legs to push up with the OHP, that is cheating and does not count.A strict military press is you standing straight and just moving the bar up and down with your arms anything else is total fucking bullshit
>>77314523we are aware
>>77314534yeah but look at this>>77314220they are clearly indicating they are doing it that style. So no they arent aware. You get nothing out of OHP by flinging up in the air with your body
>>77314535k
>>77314535After my ohp sets, I'll add some weight and do push press into negatives
Real man strength. Those who have a 2 plate Ohp are a god amongst men in the real world. I always get tons of mires at the beach when I clean and jerk my kayak overhead and start carrying it back to my truck.
>>77314523If you think you need to do push press with legs to OHP 2 plates then you need a reality check dyel lmaoYou must think 3pl bench is something unachievable too kek
>>77314578Do you do the cute jump thing when jerking yoyr kayak? That's awesome, I'd mire
>>77314588Theres very few examples of any men strictly OHPing 2 plate (100kg) Of the examples most men are belted leaning back so essentially performing a vertical bench.Over 100kg seems to be even fewer examples and those are all self admitted PED users.So no you did not 2 plate OHP you lying dyel faggot.Ive seen literal dyels with no upper body development "ohp" 2 plate with powershitter oly way because they are crossshitters and thats just basically a half squat.
Just use dumbbells niggers/thread
>>77314627>2 plate>100kg
>>77314635yes you fucking idiot20x4 +2do you think it means 1 plate every side? lmao60 kg is nothing you dyel faggot
>>77314171Based
>>77314644keep trying
>>77314635Europeans are genetically weaker so all their weights are lighter.45lbs plates are 44lbs there.So when they say their ohp is 2pl or bench 3pl, it’s actually not>>77314627Holy fucking dyel cope. Post your lifts
>>77314652you are mentally handicapped>When a person says that they can lift 3 plates, it's referring to 3 plates on each side of the barbell weighing 45 lbs each with a barbell weighing 45 lbs.
>>77314658clueless
>>7731465745lbs is because its based on 20kg metric you tard brained amerifat retard.Fuck sake you powershitting dyels have shit for brains1 plate = 20kg both sides of the 20kg bar2plate = 40kg both sides3 plate = 60kg both sides.They are not lighter weights 45lbs is exactly 20kg.Thats hilarious americans are morons.
>>77314660lol someone can't math
>>77314659actual dyel moron>In most gyms, "2 plates" means two 45-lb plates per side on a 45-lb bar (225 lb total); in kilo gyms, two 20-kg plates per side totals 100 kg.
>>77314660>45lbs is exactly 20kgAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAIs that what euros tell to themselves
>>77314663you are a stupid ngrNone of you faggots on here can 2 plate anything you lying fat morons
>ameriniggers think their weights are heaviermy sides literally got fat in their brains
>>77314667Yeah my bench is 350lbs for two and ohp is 235 for oneSo actually higher kek
>>77314665who are you quoting?
>>77314671literally skinny dudes with dad bods with no upper body strength can ohp 235 doing it the retard way. can you rep it? no you cant
>>77314683No, it’s my 1RM. i can rep 225lbs though kek
>>77314685yeah the truth comes out you do 1 powrshitter oly style press, you dont rep shit
>>77314689If that helps you cope sure kekPost your lifts
>>77314667Can't type nigger in your country?
>>77314689>powrshitter>oly
>>77314698>>77314694yeah, the dyel dude is just melting down
no one in this thread lifts weights
>>77314161when i was repping 1pl8 for 3x5 it was the only shoulder exercise i did, other than lateral raisesand i was getting a LOT of compliments on my shoulders
I can't do these correctly because I lack shoulder mobility, my back arches and ribs flare out when I try to do it.
>>77314723Rear deltoids?
>>77314161it mogs dyels by merely existing
>>77314752Use your abs and chest to pull yourself forward, contracting your back isn't the only core muscles you have
>>77314752>>77314821And shoulder mobility might be a grip width issue, experiment with it
>>773142201pl8 is pretty good with proper, non-powersharting form. I can pop my delts now if I flex them even at my body fat (20ish according to calipers). For reference I am lateral rising (with controlled and slownform) 15kg dumbbells for 13 reps
>>77314834It's a mobility / flexibility issue. I also can't pass the wall angel test, my back arches when I try to do it. My shoulders are too tight and inflexible.
>>77314161Says right on your pic you dummy.
>>77314161It's built my chest and shoulders enough so my clavicles aren't visible.
>>7731466645lbs = 20.41kgTrips of 'tardation
>>77314860>1pl8 is pretty good with properAhahahhaha let me guess 2pl bench is pretty good too?
>>77315138true where do these weaklings come fromany adult man can bench 2 plate, and 3 plate is intermediate
>>77314535>>77314523The issue with this statement is that even with leg drive you probably dont press even 1pl8lmao so whatever you say is to be disregardedCheating can really help because you nullify the hardest disadvantageous bottom part. Over time you reap the benefits of doing partials
>>77314161Says so in the picture
>>77315173This but 0.5pl
>>77315173This but with the bar
>>77315148i don't use my legs at all because im not a delusional dyel pussy and i do sets over "1 plate" 10 reps a set. Just standing straightYou people are all faggots. No exceptions
>>77315226You cannot do 1pl ohp without leaning backwards or using powershitting/oly techniques or breathing/abs momentum.Show us a vid
>>77314161Intimidate the normies.
>>77314209For an 5'10", 180-pound guy, a 2pl OHP for reps is more than elite. I’ve seen people bench 405 lbs, do 30 clean pull-ups, and even deadlift 800 lbs, but I have never, ever seen someone working with a 2pl OHP or more.
>>77314161>what does this shit even doIt's a very important lift for aesthetics. It gives you those giant shoulders that give you a wide frame and make you look fit even with thick clothes on.
>>77315226You do nothing and dont even lift. Feel free to prove me wrong by posting body with timestamp + video of proof of your +1pl8 ohp
>>77315255This. If you look at the PRs of lifetime natty bodybuilders like Jeff Nippard, their OHP PB is just an 8 rep set of 135lbs. Outside of competitions there is no reason to expect a 2plate OHP.
>>77315269Im literally the strongest guy in my gym and im the strongest ohp'er in my gym >>77315255they are all full of shit thats why>>77315270yeah i do more than that for 10 reps but ive been training ohp for a long time.Ive never seen anyone at my gym do more than me for reps.And the only guys ive seen do ridiculous stuff like 160 ohp for repa are all admitted roiders
>>77315276Must be an indian gym >No proof postedYeah nvm
at my gym im pretty good at the ohp and i notice that egotistical dyels watch me and then try to out do me but most of them can not even lift 40kg. I see some of them sometimes struggling with 30kg.Ive seen one retard doing the cheat method struggle to do 1 60kg ohp. I can do that 30 or 40 times easy.The majority of adult males i assume cant even do 40kg. So i dont believe a word of this thread,
>>77314238Do them upside down
>>77315276Your powershitting or using momentum. Post a vid
150lbs for 2 sets of 8 hereLiterally the only shoulder exercise I ever did and I think it built reasonable delts,Don’t do 1rm anymore but I did 205 for 1 rep, and adding even just a little push from the legs to get out of the bottom position, I did over 225…
>>77314204How do I activate traps??
>>77315236>powershitting/oly techniques or breathing/abs momentumwhat
>>77315305You're a roidtranny tho>>77315318He's talking about push press probably, which he clearly he never did since it's not a straight up cheatcode, your shoulders and traps still do immense work
>>77315293i do not powershit i never powershit! its all strength
>>77315330Post a vid fraudster
>>77314462>>77314462... damn you're right...I was doing a Cycle of Depression the last year so I gotta get back up there but you're right.
>>77315326it is a cheat code, if you drop under the bar by dropping your legs in a split ala the oly lift. You aren't using your triceps or delts at all to lift the weight up.Doing that way a guy with zero delt development and weedy arms can claim to have "ohp" 100kg. I've seen guys do this on social media and claim it as an ohp record its hilarious.Its just balancing the weight on your arms and pushing up with your legs.The other cheat method is bending your legs and bouncing up so the weight goes up with momentum and you only have to at most half press it. Which again is lazy and not a proper ohp.This is why so many people say stuff like " i do this exercise and it gives me no delt development" or like Mike Israeltel or whatever the fuck his name is said its not a great exercise for delts. Thats wrong. It is but you have to be able to lift above what the average guy can do for lots of reps which not many people can do because it takes a long time to train ohp. Its one if the slowest exercises to make progress on natty.
>muh oly muh powershit !Meanwhile in real lifehttps://youtube.com/shorts/Yu-QachsK8U?si=J8cXuiiAgtJ74Wzp
>>77315330Lying bitch
>>77315342https://youtu.be/pT4Ebx2ra1A?si=7OKQOyDs-c2HTlfgIsraetel strict presses your squat for reps i take his word over yours, that's how wrong and uneducate you are considering i dont usually take jews wordsA split jerk and ohp and push press arent the same exercise sure but you still havent posted anything to back up your claims besides incessant whining
>>77315354>back arched>beltedthats the vertical bench, thats why his delts are smol. Because its using the pecs
I do my strict (85kg) working sets then i push press and if im not taking away the rack from someone i move into jerk for fun and if i maxed out that day i get straight to the jerkpuritans btfo
>>77315344>100kgKek not even 2pl(unless ur a euro dyel)Fucking dyel chink
>>77315354see the issue here is you should be standing perfectly straight (i do it unbelted) only your neck should go back and your chin up so the bar can clear your head.You should not be leaning back or doing that much movement.
>>77315360The pectoralis function is to bring your arms to the center of your body horizontally then push them back and also support rotation, in ohp their role is adduction so no. He's not using his chest at any point, moving your head away is not using your chest and pecs are actually disadvantaged in that position. He's still far beyond the incline degree
>>77315367>>77315364Care to post examples of yourself doing it? Just curious
>>77315363>and if im not taking away the rack from someoneHoly fucking beta cuck. Imagine caring about thatI occupy bench for an hour and power rack sometimes for up to 2 hours
>>77315369he is clearly using his chest you fucking moron because hes leaning back and his chest is facing the ceiling so its like a vertical bench. You are an idiot we are done here.
anyway the irony is ohp uses your triceps quite a bit and the delts really only get a workout at 60kg+
>>77315326I’m on 3iu of hgh for 6 months, at age 40.And I achieved those numbers for OHP before starting growth
>>77315373
>>77314443Holy shit this. I didn't realize there were other people like this. My OHPs are by far my best lift. My shoulders and traps are naturally huge. Whenever I do bench, I get pain in my shoulders but never feel a thing in my pecs or triceps. They're still growing so I know I am getting some activation, but whenever I fail a rep it is always the shoulders that seem to be carrying everything.
if you do ohp properly your chest should be facing the wall, not the ceiling
>>77315380>Your triceps flex when you do curls and face the ground in a pushdown-like motion that means anything but seated curls is cheating because you're using your triceps
>>77315387>confirmed roidtrannyOpinion discarded
>>77315391Obvious roider. Opinion discarded.
>>77314161OHP is the most overrated lift by people who THINK they are serious gymgoers.Also, a couple of facts:No, a 1 plate overhead press is not impressive.Also, almost nobody OHPs 2 plates, but thats because its not worth chasing.Most people who can, can also bench 4 plates or do heavy oly lifting, which is way more impressive, which again is why nobody cares about OHP
>>77314657Europeans and especially northern ones are the strongest in the world retard. Just because your 5'4" mutt orc build gives you +2 strength and -2 speed you will never beat a 6'2" european in a true competition.
>>77315410So I see OHP is your weakest lift and you're trying to cope, eh?
>>77314657>Europeans are genetically weakerEuropeans have dominated weightlifting since its inception, dumbass. Almost every world record is held by Slavs or Nordics. Mongols come in close and sometimes snatch a record. Nogs and Indians have not a single world record.
>>77315438Bench and squat raw world records and ohp are all held by non whites. slavs arent european according to this website or white so we'll ommit them >b-b-butIn any other situation you'd call them non white
>>77315410Ask me how I know your ohp is below 2pl kek>>77315438You’re right about slavs but they aren’t euros
>he films himself picking things up
>>77314294Same. I also don’t slam plates into my ceiling joists with BTN press because the grip is a little wider
>>77315447>>77315449That was fast.
it puts weights over my head, faggot
>>77315447>>77315449Keep in mind no one gives any form of weightlifting a fraction of the importance ex-soviet sphere of influence and their competition (usa) does yet you can see records broken left and right in ipf by non whites and in oly purely on personal effortGenetics are a meme the way normies put it and only give a very minor edge
>>77314161My shoulders used to click when it I raised my arm over my head likely due to a car accident. After being able to ohp over 1pl8, the clicking kind of went away so it has become my favorite lift
>>77314785no one gives a shit except faggot gymcelssorry, it’s the truth
>>77315392You gotta pinch the fuck out of your shoulder blades when you bench and angle your elbows towards your hips. You'll know because you'll feel your chest fill up asap.
>>77314161waste time
>>77314670brains are literally made of fat, idiot
>>77315544He probably thinks brains are supposed to be smooth too
>>77314262ohp is really safe man. the only thing you risk is your back if you are loading up more than your back can support.i had shoulder problems when starting ohp and i go as hard as i can, havent had any issues.can only speak to this up to 160lbs
>>77315395Assuming he's not lying about only taking HGH (unlikely), HGH alone isn't even anabolic to muscle at such a low dose. It simply aids in recovery and fat loss.
>>77314161how the fuck do I make progress with shoulder strength?
>>77315595I’m only taking hgh. When I start taking test, I’ll be saying that I take test too.But your point about hgh is correct, it seems to keep me really lean even in a kcal surplus, and aids in recovery a bit. But it’s definitely not some cheat code. However, all of that is irrelevant because I achieved those OHP stats long before hgh.Of course he could say I’m lying about that too, but ultimately if we don’t believe anything anyone says, then we can’t have a discussion about fitness I’m simply saying I do value OHP …and I think it did wonders for my shoulders and overall physique
>>77315410Yes, this is cope.
>>77314161It makes a man out of you, and gets women wetter than all other lifts. It makes men jealous
>>77314523At that point they should just clean and press.>>77314588Even back when I could 3pl8 bench I couldn't 2 pl8 OHP. I maxed out at 185, which I thought was fine since I weighed 170.
>>77314161It’s the lift that will get you gf
>>77315614I do different rep ranges and variations. Sometimes I do something like sets of 5 reps at 185lbs or 10 at 155 or 2 at 195lbs. I also mix in some push press or BTN presses. It's still slow but I think it helps
>>77315683Why do you post a pic of you while using steroids instead of you not using steroids if you already had those numbers before, and having those numbers is what made your shoulders already big?Let us see these pre steroids big ohp shoulders then.Imo having big shoulders with big ohp as a natty just means being fat. You can t be that strong and big and natty and lean in a lift like ohp.
