For those with self defense experience, at what strength levels do you stop noticing major practical benefits in a fight
When you gain the strength to pull the trigger
>>77316204When it slows you down.Fast reactions and fast movement is usually what wins a fight. There is something to be said for huge guys that can tank hit or single shot someone even with a poorly aimed blow.
>>77316232NoTiming > Accuracy > Speed > StrengthSomeone who times 1 good shot on a chin with good accuracy is better than 1000 fast shots or 10 ogre slow shots
>>77316227based glowie
>>77316204>what strength levels do you stop noticing major practical benefits in a fighttraining, experience, and not being a retarded pussy is superior to strength. None of the victims had any idea how to defend themselves and were easy targets for an aggressive retard who also did not know how to fight. There are endless vids of aggressors getting dropped with one or two punches by a much smaller person who knows how to fight. The best physical fight is the one you are smart enough to avoid. I had a few trainers who regretted the fight they 'won' because of the life long injuries and medical expenses.
>>77316204Imagine just standing there and waiting for your turn to have your jaw broken after seeing half a dozen guys get the same treatment before you. Nobody considered putting a bar stool over the back of his head?
>>77317923Most people have never been in a situation like that. You think you know how you will react but have you ever been tested?>t. brought a tough guy friend with me to a deal i might get jumped at and he screamed like s woman while i fought two assailants
>>77316227>if someone literally slapped my wife's ass then ran away I'm shooting him out of respectOh shit it's big man over here hogging all the testosterone inherent in a healthy male.
>>77317923Their dopamine must be going insane on top of like 3 beers and a pill or something since their body thinks it's some kind of mating ritual/fertility festival.
>>77316204The skill cieling is much higher than strength. The average person is simply never in their life going to be able to do anything whatsoever to someone with half a brain and good training. It's also a mental thing, some people just don't care about fighting because they're too gay like this guy.>>77316227
>>77318046When exactly was this the 5th grade?
>>77317019I'm pretty sure anyone who lifts is 99% of the time going to have done martial arts for close to 20 hours of their life, which solo training is a shitload of time. It's basically like all of your working sets barring rest entirely.
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>>77318197>you asked for it
>>77316204I'd say it's more problems that you will have if someone is considerably stronger than you and knows what to do with it. Basically everything you practiced wrestling vs someone with abs is now useless.
>>77316249I once saw a twig of a kid trying to box a bouncer, the twig was good, footwork was lightning fast, his positioning and timing was great, the two chin shots he landed got eaten by the 240lb bouncer who proceeded to bodyslam him after he got too close on his 3rd strike attempt
>>77316204Unless you're really built for it it's better to evade useless conflicts.
>>77317923They're drunk and inexperienced.
>>77317923It's a bar full of fags what do you expect?
It's like 90% weight advantageEven if a big dude is shit at striking all he has to do is use his weight to wrestle the smaller dude onto the floor and it's over.Those one hit KO's are rare in reality, if you sucker punch a dude with 100lbs on you and he doesn't go down you're in big trouble. Don't pick fights generally but especially not with guys who are bigger than you.
>>77318933>Those one hit KO's are rare in realityIt's based off of hitting the jaw with a side hook and quickly twisting the head around which instantly knocks someone out.
>>77316249Is timing not usually dependent on speed?
>>77318046>>77317923I'd probably just leave. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ5Ha6l6lhE
>>77316227>dude just start shooting a gun in a crowded club
>>77319483>Going to a club, ever, for any reason except "oops I have wandered into the wrong place"
>>77316204Imagine jumping up, and then stomping the ground as hard as you possibly can with your feet. That's a lot of power there, right?Now imagine being able to make all that power that goes into the ground, go up through your body, and travel all the way to your fist.That's what fighting is.Technique. Your legs are at least 5x as powerful as your arms, even in people who haven't lifted a weight in their life. Your torso is at least 2-3x as powerful. They are what you use you generate force. Your fist is just the final contact point of that force.Now, if you become very, very, very good at this, then yes, increasing the strength of specific muscles will provide major benefits. Generally if you at least have several years of combat sport training under your belt.If you don't, it will make 0.000000000000001% difference in a fight. Any untrained person with a great deal of physical strength, who will try to use his arm and fist to generate power, will generate only 5% of the power a weakling will generate, who knows how to use his entire body to drive his arm and fist.
>>77319926My hand used to not be able to take the power I can generate from a punch at all since I am really good at the technique. I used to roll my wrist and my knuckles would be sore for days-weeks. Now I can just hit the 100-120lb bag as hard as I want bareknuckle for a few minutes probably, I don't want to develop arthritis though. It's pretty underrated among fighters how much harder you hit once you're stronger if you also are trained. Me now could probably tank just about anything old me would have ever thrown if not just end the fight easily with way faster movement thanks football agility training.
>>77316227Can ameripussies do anything without their guns?
If it's two random drunk guys throwing haymakers, it literally doesn't matter and it's 50/50% regardless of height and weight, unless the discrepancy is insane like a 5'2 turbo manlet going up against 6'8 300lbs guy.If it's trained guy vs untrained guy, the trained guy always wins unless he's fighting a genetic freak in the form of a NFL linebacker or something. >but muh weight classes!doesn't matter if someone is untrained. A bantam weight fighter from a local MMA promotion would rape 99% of guys walking around on the street. >but bro, I see red and go beast mode! I would just bodyslam him!No you wouldn't. When it's trained vs trained, 220lbs seems to be the minimum to be able to compete with guys that are infinitely heavy. Back during the Pride FC days when you had an open-weight class, you'd see guys that weigh 220lbs go up against 300lbs behemoths and still come out on top. You even had a couple guys like Sakubara that were like 180lbs and still held their own against guys a 100lbs heavier.You also have guys like Dwight Qawi who was a boxing heavyweight at 5'6, 220lbs.Basically, if you're a strong ~200lbs (give or take 20lbs) you should be able to hang with anyone unless you're competing at a really high level.t. blackbelt in judo and have been doing MMA since 2013 (don't listen to anyone else they don't know what they're talking about).
>>77317923This.Study this video. When the time comes and you find yourself suddenly in or next to a fight make a decision to either fully commit to fighting or fully commit to getting the fuck out of there. Standing around or half-heartedly trying to get the guy to stop got most of those people rekt.
>>77320004theres a vid of a fight in a highschool bathroom where a boxer gets slammed on his head in 5 seconds and insta kodthe trained guy doesnt always win this is martial arts nerd cope.
>>77320051>high schoolI saw that video, it's some pre-pubescent kid that trains one hour per week, doesn't really prove anything. Besides, for every street fight video where somebody with training loses, I can find a hundred videos of a boxer or a wrestler absolutely dominating his opponent. >the trained guy doesnt always win this is martial arts nerd cope.It's true in the overwhelmingly vast majority of cases. Thinking otherwise is the real cope. It's like that scene in Indiana Jones where he shoots the guy showing off his sword skills. It's a story trope that makes people feel good "haha, you put in all this training, but it's all useless because I'm so clever and can defeat you without training at all!", but that's not how real live works. I know it's emasculating to think that some dweeb 150lbs dweeb could assrape you despite being a big bufff guy, but that's just the way it is. Just be honest and start training, or realize it doesn't really matter because it's exceedingly unlikely you'll get into a fight with a trained fighter unless you're a retard that goes looking for fights in public.
>>77320116>it's some pre-pubescent kid that trains one hour per weeklol>I can find a hundred videos of a boxer or a wrestler absolutely dominating his opponentvideos of trained people fighting outside of a gym with a big size disadvantage are very few. half of them are blue belts beating up homeless drunks.in the full vid you posted, the strongman lets him up like 2 or 3 times. he wasnt trying to hurt him at all and he was drunk. the chechnyan or whatever the fuck he is was looking to start shit with somebody drunk while soberhow about ricky hatton getting knocked out multiple times at bars by big guys? or bj penn getting flattened in a street fight on video? or adesanya's training partner getting killed by a random abbo at a bar?size does matter a lot and martial arts nerds overestimate how far they can safely take it against someone bigger who is athletic. youre right it really doesnt matter though unless youre looking for fights. 150 lb guys should be really careful before using their karate against someone bigger. at best, theyll sink an rnc on somebody and win a little CRED. at worst they will get powerbombed into a wheelchair for the rest of their life.
>>77319926this is essentially a side teep? i see tawanchai teeping like this very often and i think its so the opponent cant grab your foot easily
>>77320317>videos of trained people fighting outside of a gym with a big size disadvantage are very few. half of them are blue belts beating up homeless drunks.Yes, the hundreds of videos of trained guys absolutely beating the piss out of their opponent don't count because uuuh reasons.>in the full vid you posted, the strongman lets him up like 2 or 3 times. he wasnt trying to hurt himLol, when you start saying going down this line of reasoning you know you're coping hard.>bj penn getting flattened in a street fight on videoYeah, because he literally got sucker punched from behind while drunk. After that he got up he proceed to beat the shit out of the guy with no effort.>adesanya's training partner getting killed by a random abbo at a bar?Got jumped by 4 guys. Nobody said training allows you to defeated a group of guys ambushing you by punching you in the back of the head.>size does matter a lot and martial artsyes when both parties are trained. >overestimate how far they can safely take it against someone bigger who is athletic.Hate to break it buddy, this experiment has been run a hundred times already. Do I really need to post 10 different videos of a bodybuilder getting assraped by a smaller grappler?>nooo that doesn't count, on da streets I would just body slam you and gauge your eyes out!!!This is what happens when faggots like you don't even know what they don't know. You will not be body slamming anybody that has serious grappling experience even if you're a 100 pounds heavier than them (maybe if you're literally some kind of 6'6 300lbs Bob Sapp kind of freak), nor will you be kicking them in the nuts or gauging out their eyes. You have no idea what training does. A flyweight from B-tier promotion like Bellator would kill any powersharter or bodybuilder that's alive today (with the exception of those giga strongman guys that are literally 7 feet tall, that's how big the discrepancy needs for training to be outpaced by physicality).
>>77316204I want to be so strong that it looks like I can break someone's bones in a single strike.
>Nah bro my martial arts training means I could totally beat a guy 150lbs heavier than meit's so obvious none of you ever been a real fight lmao
>>77320557I'll fight anyone here but I'm pretty big and I've been practicing at least by myself for most of the time several martial arts for about 15 years. I was leaving a discord invite and whatnot but idk if anyone is actually gonna do it.
>>77316204That depends entirely on your opponent and your leverages. A good striker doesn’t really need a whole lot, but if your opponent is twice your size you’d better be good enough to hit some weak spots.
>>77320545there arent hundreds of videos of smaller trained guys beating bigger guys. theres literally like 100 all together lol. thats a generous estimate too. no videos of grapplers subduing unruly shitfaced drunks doesnt count.>he literally got sucker punched from behind while drunkyou can watch the video he was facing him. he got laid out by a left hook.>yes when both parties are trained. what does "trained" mean? a blue belt is "trained". and if its a striking art the amount of power and skill needed to hurt someone much bigger is quite a lot more. to a degree that someone like tank would be too small to beat jake paul, who really isnt good. its pretty feasible with grappling but you still need to be very skilled. the idea 150 lb purple belts are unstoppable in LE STREET is ridiculous man.>Got jumped by 4 guys.he had 4 friends toothe jake paul stuff is a good example. hes a very in shape guy who isnt good at boxing beating up smaller guys with more experience. i bet you were surprised when he beat silva.>Hate to break it buddy, this experiment has been run a hundred times already. Do I really need to post 10 different videos of a bodybuilder getting assraped by a smaller grappler?body building is absolutely not athleticism and theres a good chance ive seen the videos already. theres really not that many. it sounds like you are counting pro fights though not actual encounters from hobbyists, who are going to be the people that this discussion applies to.>A flyweight from B-tier promotion like Bellatorthats a high ranked professional fighter. 99.99% of people that train aren't half as decent as someone fighting for bellator. in fact 99.99% of people arent even going to have a single fight in any promotion what so ever.with grappling its reasonable to beat bigger opponents but the idea every blue and purple belt going around thinking theyre a lethal weapon at 130 lbs is ridiculous.
>>77319983My utensils are literally Heckler & Koch. I'm Europoor btw.
>surely my superior technique will win the day
>>77320721>lore accurate retelling of the battle of Cannae
>>77320563kek youre gonna get stabbed one day. be careful dude
>>77319983They will use it to magdump a rando who gave them road rage then go on about how important it is to overthrow corrupt governments, while having the most corrupt government in the history of Man with nary a peep.
>>77320891That part.
>>77316204Viciousness and aggression often wins in street fights. If you can generate a high level of viciousness out of the blue, you will have an immediate advantage over someone who is taken by surprise by your viciousness.That's why effective martial arts training starts with teaching someone how to generate aggression quickly. In this scenario, this guy went from 0-100 in a split second and nobody was able to match his level of viciousness. It helps he knew how to throw a punch, as evidenced by the number of people he knocked clean out, but even if his punch was less effective, he still had everyone beat on aggression.
>>77317923someone posted a summary of it, apparently the in the closet faggot went with his 'gf,' to some queer bar and thought someone grabbed his ass. He was apparently already looped out of his mind and just tried to hide he's a fudge packer. It makes sense why a group of feminine men didn't outright jump his ass makes more sense.
>>77317923>Nobody considered putting a bar stool over the back of his head?This is where some basic jiu jitsu is handy when one person chimps out like this. Any of those guys were big enough and in position to rear naked choke the guy and put him to sleep without causing anyone injury.
>>77320783I'm more worried they'll throw it or something. My feet are probably as fast as their hands unless it's someone legit. And if you're trying to stab someone your footing kind of gives up the contest for dominance with kicks. >trying to box a knife wielderI mean maybe hit em with the toro toro and whip it out of their hand with a shirt would be pretty badass.
>>77316204It's actually a good deterrent for someone who even starts fights for no reason. And body language, I'm usually hoping for a fight and have about a 20 inch neck or so. I was in jail for a little bit, some of those people you are better off letting them know that you aren't a bitch so nothing even starts.
>>77316204What is it with this that immediately lets me know this is eastern europe? Why are there so many unhinged violent retards over there?Slavs really are a rare breed of violence and retardation
street fighting is for niggers
>>77320721the three kids speedwalking out of the classroom in an orderly fashion is what cracks me up
>>77320721>picking on the football player who likes karate and is only in the stupid classes not the retarded onesDid they seriously beat up the retarded kid for using the N word?
>>77321368I honestly think the retarded kid started just coming at him like that. Someone starts their tornado kick combo on you and you think running away is the better option? One of those kicks and it's lights out, then he might try and rape ya.
>>77316204They always say not to do BJJ because if you go to the ground in a street fight then their friends could jump in, but what if you're friends jump in?
>>77321389Lol looks like ai
>>77321309Embarassing faggot. Will end up like >>77320721Soft buttery punching bag.
>>77316204Self defense is much more a mental issue than a physical one. You can be fat as fuck, but being the one to commit to an aggressive decision faster than the other person will give you the advantage. You can see this play out in body cam footage where the criminal is the one to initial violent action and the cop is either not prepared to respond or is unable to commit to the same level of violence.
>>77316204The guy died, martial arts mean shit against pure punching power.>but muh grapplingNever used in real fights.>>77316249>the twig chud will totally ko the jacked violent low iq retard>diesHAHAHHA
>>77319926Those skinny fucks will not generate any fucking force.You still need to have muscles to pull this off.
>>77321389>Random niggers jumping in at the endWhy are they like this? Is the chimp out instinct that strong?
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>>77321825>most martial artists do pullups and probably not even dips or weighted dips, heavy abs and legs, arms etc the kinetic chainI can move my old 2 arm tricep pushdowns with 1 arm and faster too, idk what weebs think it is but I now have more than twice more speed and power than before. Maybe not twice the speed but strength yes.
>>77322234Against a side kick you have to play distance and close in when they have to pick it up to throw another one. Eastern martial arts is a lot harder to throw on slippier surfaces like an mma mat. Muay thai as a striking base is typically the best for mma, look at Anderson Silva in his prime before hopping roids. He's just so much more in control of the striking in more mma type situations and was 185 cut down so he'd probably maul just about anyone who was not a martial artist and pro from a young age no matter how strong.
Muh speed KEKs fail to realize basic physic concepts, F = M*A. Fast niggas are stronger by default. Retaining speed while gaining mass will hit harder.
>>77319983Lmao, they cant do anything with their guns. The French did more with manure and farm equipments.Perfectly neutered goycattle, these americans.
