>>77320156
Most people in 4chin are lying about how much they bench/lift, or else are on gear.
Speaking strictly of male natty lifters, 1pl8 bench is the threshold from beginner to intermediate, 2pl8 bench from intermediate to advanced, and the few natty guys who manage to break through 3pl8 are actually going from advanced to elite.

Lots of demoralization propaganda here claiming natty 2pl8 bench is "lmao", so most natty guys irl struggling to reach 2pl8 start to feel inadequate and sometimes give up. But it's all jewish trickery.

>>77320250
how weak can you be bro

>>77320250
I'd probably agree if you were talking about 8-10 rep weights (80-75% of orm) and not one rep maxes. 1/2/3/4 are one rep maxes. When people post their stats they're one rep maxes unless otherwise stated and they're likely not tested orms just calculated ones based on the weight*reps.

>>77320259
>and they're likely not tested orms just calculated ones based on the weight*reps.
Then they didn't lift it. You either lifted the weight or not

Took me 4 years to hit a 2pl8 bench, after 11 total years of lifting i've finally benched 4pl8. Keep your chin up and keep lifting. It's worthwhile. The gains will come. Don't do 5/3/1 just do hepburn or something similar and fuck around on machines after

>>77320250
That's not true. I'm a genetic mediocrity and made it to 165kg (*with powerlifting bullshit technique)

>>77320261
It's close enough to me. Reason no one actually tests orms anymore and used to do it most every 6 months is because it requires a spotter sometimes 2 and a week or two of training up to it where you're not really gaining much.
If someone wants to say they can bench 300 because they benched 240x8 times that's fine with me because they probably can. I always specify reps because I'm too lazy to put it into a calculator.

>>77320250
As with most lifts, a lot of it depends on your weight. I never bench much but I could do 225 no problem and highest I've done was like 275 for reps. But at 260lbs body weight so not an impressive ratio. Now if you weigh like 145lbs those same numbers would be impressive.

>>77320156
>>77320250
A parameter of how long it took you to reach it is long overdue
Objectively and also subjectively if you think your copium pink glasses for a moment, a 220lbs guy doing 2pl8 in a year or less is more impressive than a 160lbs guy doing 3pl8 in 4 years if we assume the weight was constant with a 10lbs margin
Leverages and biomechanics and bw arent enough if you lack the motor units to recruit to lift.

>>77320250
Steroids aren't magic, and if anything I would assume that a natty at the same size as a roider is going to be much stronger because of the positive traits from muscle maturity that get ruined by periods of low T.
>started lifting way back before college as a somewhat curlbro
>arms grow extremely easily
I imagine if there were several years of lifting. Muscle maturity is not often discussed especially when people are talking about natty limit.

>>77320264
A massively curved back and 1 inch ROM doesn't count as moving weight.

>>77320250
>t. pencil neck

>>77320388
Anyone who says this cant even unrack the weight usually

>>77320377
This is where muscle maturity is so important.
>tries to improve bench and it doesn't improve for a while
You are still better off to have been lifting for so many weeks or months at the same weight. Or more than one week of entirely no lifting or running especially when cns is the variable. If you keep resting for an entire week or more and the only thing you do is bench, it's better gains to bodybuild than to constantly be not expending all of your energy at the gym and go to failure a bunch.

>>77320388
>let's just go ahead and make it look like the rep is as legit as possible while cheating as much as possible
And this is why I am so much bigger than so many people yet my lifts just don't stack up unless it's something obscure hard to add significant weight to but they always find a way.

>>77320377
>think
Take away*

>>77320393
That's the point in a sense. Equipped lifters can hold 1ton over their chest, the suit isn't helping them do that, it's all about technique, it's a trick not a feat of strength. A wide grip doesn't just make the lift shorter, it puts your triceps in a more favorable position. If on top of that you're arching and bracing like a pro benching 3pl8 becomes a joke. There are natty little girls benching 3pl8 with powerlifting technique, it's nothing.

>>77320156
I'd be doing cardio there's no real reason to bench more than even half of that one armed bench unless you're a low iq meathead. And I mean of course dumbbell bench which is one of my favorite exercises to perform in the gymnasium.

>>77320408
Benching is stupid anyways. I do mostly calisthenics instead because it is the most effective. I literally punch twice as hard as people who vastly outbench me because I've been training dips passively for as long as I knew they were a thing.

>>77320264
>>77320259
>>77320156
Unless you plan on competeing, giving a shit about such standards, like ORM, is fucking stupid.

>>77320156
I've failed my previous 5rm for 1 before.
>I can bench whatever
Sure try not waiting a week between sessions.

>>77320408
>it's a trick
A trick you cannot perform thus whatever you say doesn't matter
If a magician hides a ball behind his back and pulls it from your asshole you can cry that he sedated you and shoved it there all you want you'll always be the loser in the situation instead of accepting that it's a feat you cant perform

>>77320388
>>77320408
Why do I not see people ego lifting 3pl8 with minimal rom if "it's nothing"? They usually ego lift and cope by trying to bounce 1,5pl8 by lifting ass off bench etc. Why don't they just unrack and egolift 3pl8 to feel better?

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>>77320414
>I do mostly calisthenics instead because it is the most effective. I literally punch twice as hard as people who vastly outbench me because I've been training dips passively for as long as I knew they were a thing.

>>77320424
It's crazy useful for conversions into other rep ranges and maintaining the same intensity and expressing your level strength for the sake of comparing one group to another or where a lift should be in relation to advancement. It's just not worth actually testing to get real numbers anymore because the math has proven good enough.

>>77320156
I love powerlifters I really do. Any time I see someone especially lifting heavy, I get a good mixed grip and tell them to slide under if they fail and also have to hold my hands right on the bar so it doesn't gain momentum if he drops it.

>>77320259
>1/2/3/4 are one rep maxes

/fit/bro is this true ? I was aiming for 5x5 1/2/3/4

>>77320250
I am a 30 year old 6'4 220lb natty. I've been going hard every session for half a year on SL 5x5 from the sticky.

My stats are:
135 lb OHP for a full 5x5 (I understand this is unusually advanced for my skill level)
185 lb Bench for a full 5x5
205 lb bent over barbell rows for a full 5x5
255 lb squat for a full 5x5
315 lb deadlift for 1x5

Plus I do other shit too, but not going to list it all.

So if we consider me an "intermediate" then 1.5 pl8 for a 5x5 translates to roughly a one rep max of 2pl8. So it seems pretty spot on. My OHP is way ahead of the curve and squats and deadlifts are slightly behind but not very far.

I got lots of replies talking about 1 RM.
I shiuld have clarified that I'm talking about reps. 8 yes, but even 5x5. 2pl8 for 5-8 reps is advanced, 3pl8 for 5-8 reps is elite for natties.
Calculated 1 RMs is... unreliable at best, like >>77320261 said.
Also
>powerlifting bullshit technique
even more unreliable, as part of that is how much you can sacrifice form for egolifting without reaching the point of snapping your shit.
I maintain what I said about bench pl8s for REPS (at least 5 if doing 5x5) with PROPER FORM. Most natty guys won't go much beyond 2pl8, and that is ok.

>>77320488
>natty
We know

>>77320156
That's entirely dependent on bodyweight. My 1RM on bench is currently 335lb with wraps, and I'm 6'1", 205lb natty.
One of my homies who started training at the same time as me benches 355lb with wraps, but he's something like 6' 300lb natty.

We do the same program, but he's quite a bit fatter than me, making him stronger in terms of raw numbers, but a bit weaker, pound-for-pound, and with far less definition.

>>77320250
Trvthnvke. Easily 80% of the population if not more cannot bench 2pl8. Idk why everybody on this board is obsessed with demoralizing others.

>>77320627
You compare yourself to the gym population, not general population, but even then it's true that only gifted people report their lifts or everyone just lies. There obviously exists previously untrained people who train for 6-12 months (without any program or dieting) and hit 3pl8 but how often do you see these 3pl8 or for example 2pl8 oph or any of that.

>>77320156
Just use dumbbells, retard. What was he even trying to do?

>>77320613
>with wraps
Then y'all didn't lift the weight.

I've been lifting for 14 years and I can't bench two plates (170lbs bodyweight)

>>77320668
Post video benching the weight with wraps then, faggot.

I'm 37 years old, I'm not sacrificing my joints so some zoomer can cope about me not lifting weight he can't even approach, using the only thing that effectively alleviates elbow pain and reduces my chances of injury

>>77320820
Look at this andropaused roidtranny having a melty lol !

>>77320594
Roidmonkey peasants do not have the privilege to speak to natty nobility unless addressed directly.

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>getting bench mogged by skinny dyel

>>77320856
Ass left the bench, didn't lift it

>>77320875
>using a bench
>not psoas hovering using only your legs and a rubber band
Did not lift the weight

>>77320156
Depends on your bodyweight.

>>77320880
Yeah imagine all the psoas clenching and abuse of gluteus medius and lats bot :DD he shouldve done a rubber band curl which grows chest 0.00282 deviations more optimally than bench

>>77320820
>not sacrificing my joints
Then lift less weight tard. I will never understand dipshits like you that take shortcuts and try to bypass bottlenecks for ego bullshit. As if you're gonna gear up like that if you need to do shit IRL. Now you've got musculature with output greater than your tendons & ligaments can handle. That's fucking dumb, you're fucking dumb.

>>77320156
>>77320253
https://strengthlevel.com/strength-standards/bench-press/lb
225 is mid-intermediate. 315 is mid-upper advanced. To anyone who says "that doesn't make any sense, it's only 40% heavier", remember that adding weight becomes exponentially more difficult the higher up you go.

>>77320250
this has been universal in every online community centered around lifting
it's easy to lie, exaggerate, brag with half-truths when there's no one to verify it
this being said, obsessing over weights is usually not sustainable and eventually leads to form getting worse over time and subsequently to injuries
most people would be better off not browsing this kind of content at all except for instructional video and such, comparing yourself to some clout performers or e-statters will be nothing but destructive

>>77320901
>obsessing over weights is usually not sustainable and eventually leads to form getting worse over time and subsequently to injuries
Only if you're a retard.
There's this thing called powerlifting and oly that both have less injuries than most contact sports despite "obsessing over weights"
It's how you attack it

>>77320156
It depends on bodyweight. 1x BW is intermediate. Those who claim 1/2/3/4 is intermediate expect you to be about 225lbs.

>>77320875
Why doesn't everyone lift 3pl8 ass off the bench?

>>77320910
If you're not competeing in powerlifting or going for the Olympics, then training like that is fucking stupid and obsessive. Simple as. There is no point in taking any of that risk when there are training alternatives that will develop all the same areas infinitely safer.

>>77320250
Yup. As a natty 3+ bencher, but be only ever seen one other guy in the gym go to 4 plates and he was massive. Including in a powerlifting gym. Most people just can’t do it unless they’re on gear and there are plenty of roidtrannies that can just barely hit it with the drugs. Benching even 275 is strong

>>77320156
I’ll ask it again, as I do in every bench thread I come across: why don’t people bench in a cage? I have yet to hear a solid explanation.

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My 1rm pr bench is 80 kg (1.5 pl8) when i was 72 kg but i was fat then. I feel confortable at 65 kg, I'm 172 cm manlet. Lifted 16 years. Lean bulk is a myth

>>77320930
cheap equipment, OR they don't want loose parts because niggers and pajeets will take it apart to be cool and bench without the safeties then the pins will disappear

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most gyms here have competition benches in gyms. have the levers for re-racking too

but if you remove the safeties there are now 4 loose pins, the safeties themselves, plus you can pull the bench away from the whole setup. then there are 2 pins for the barbell rests

>>77320381
This post reads like you have a dent in your skull.

>>77320975
People are different. Being height in cm - 100 so like 172cm/72kg should feel pretty lean if you go to gym, being 65kg sounds like you start feeling cold easily. I don't have a problem with it, just curious. I'm a lanklet and I feel better and healthier being 20kg heavier than I was in my late teens or early adult years, but obviously there's a limit to it so if the weight goes even half a kilo over 95-100kg range then it's all excess.

>>77320892
>poojeet doesn't understand how aging works
Many such cases

>>77320975
How can you not lift 3pl after 16 years lmao.
I lifted for around the same and can do 350lbs for 2reps now, want to hit 4pl in 2028

>>77320856
Those are bumpers, dude benched 90kg

>>77321333
Still impressive for an alcoholic

>>77321326
Bro you are doing something seriously wrong. Im 36y old, 6’2 and same weight as you >>77321329 lift more than you and don’t even feel it in my wrists or elbows. Even shoulder ache is barely noticeable and completely disappears in warm months

>>77320880
the Bot Press is GOATed, bot.
>get a rubber band, no a real rubber band not like those that broccolis come wrapped in
>put a padding between your buttcheeks, squeeze hard
>hook the rubber band around your knees like picrel (vandamme.jpg) lean back (YES BOT, BACK)
>do the bench press

>>77320925
The only real 4 plate bench I saw in a gym was that Cenk guy before he went out and started to compete.

>>77321339
>you are doing something wrong
>lmao1.5pl8 bench

Hahahahahaha AHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>77321405
350lbs for 2 is not 1.5pl brah

>>77321339
Nigger, you're not feeling it in your elbows or shoulders because you're not lifting serious weight. With wraps, I top out over 3pl8. Without, I rep 225 for 12 without pain now, but I used wraps to hit that originally, too, due to chronic elbow pain during lifts. The wraps solved it, almost entirely, and my lifts skyrocketed both with and without.

Fuck your broscience, my results trump your cope

>>77320250
2pl8 bench is indeed an lmao. As far as competitive strength sports go, anyone actually trying will hit two plates on less than a year, and 3-4 plates in 4-5. Training from 18-22 is all it takes to have a 315+ bench, assuming you aren't 150 pounds.

Any healthy adult male can hit 315 in less than 3 years of training, which is nothing.

>>77321412
Bro I just said i do 350lbs for 2 reps.
Are you saying everybody older than 35y and above 3pl needs wraps?

>>77321412
So, you did not lift the weight

>>77321414
https://strengthlevel.com/strength-standards/bench-press/lb
Everything you said has already been statistically proven to be false.

>>77321464
Yes, he meant to say two years

>>77321464
How come? intermediate is bad

>>77321469
It also depends on your frame and leverages. If you're a manlet dwarf looking guy with short thick arms and a big chest, 3pl8 isn't really that impressive. Meanwhile, if you're a lanklet framecel guy, 3pl8 is incredible.

>>77321464
Meme website. Holds as much weight as "believe me bro"

>>77321489
That only further proves my point since the weights are almost certainly inflated rather than understated.

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>>77321489
>IM NOT WEAK!!!
>EVERYONE STRONGER THAN ME IS LYING
holy mother of cope
>>77321478
>relative strength cope

>>77321503
Retard. If you saw some five year old girl bench press 315 lbs, you're saying you wouldn't find that incredible since you also saw some massive guy do it?

>>77321503
>>77321497
Any self-reported number equates to 0 without video proof

>>77321513
I would ask her to do hip thrusts together (she's the weight)

>>77320156
the only niggers in my gym who bench 2pl8 weigh well over 225 themselves. there is one competitive lifter who does 485 for 2 reps, but I've never seen one aesthetic looking person in my gym flat bench or squat or deadlift. the big three lifts are mostly about technique and are not very good for hypertrophy. don't listen to the online sissys, take in what you observe in real life

>>77321517
Yeah, everyone is lying and your sub-3pl bench(calculated by a 1RM calculator lmao) is actually advanced, not intermediate

>>77321513
Nah, the guy could still effortlessly overpower and rape her

>>77321523
Your flyover shithole gym doesn't matter. Come to LA's Golds or any famous powerlifting gym and look around.
It's like living with pajeets in India and saying that $100 is a nice salary cuz everyone around you earns less.

>>77321525
You're projecting, im none of the anon you were arguing with. Im gonna refrain from stating my bench but it's around 3pl8, took me a year and a couple months as well. Why i wont state it ? Because unlike deadlift i have never filmed myself benching
You sound like you're 2pl8 territory btw, feel free to prove me wrong with video proof

>>77321532
I forgot a very important detail
(You) Wont

>>77321532
>but it's around 3pl8
Kek i guessed exactly right. You have a calculated(never actually lifted) 1RM below 3pl and think you aren't intermediate.

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>>77321464
False... How? Intermediate is meme tier in the grand scheme of things. Injuries aside, your prime is 16-40. Intermediate numbers take two years absolute tops to achieve. There's nothing impressive about them, especially when you consider the average adult male is 200 pounds in the US.

90% of powerlifters over 180 can bench two plates and that's including women.

>>77321527
Then I guess in your mind every living being aside from the world's biggest blue whale is unimpressive since the whale could kill it.

You guys are weak lol

>>77321558
The whale will be stronger, sure. Strength is strength. You cannot be "relatively stronger" than someone
>>77321538
>>77321532
You literally cannot even post your bench weight. The only reason I can think of is it's below 3pl
>Im gonna refrain from stating my bench
>>77321569
Yeah this board is long past it's prime

>>77321548
>False... How?
It clearly shows you that 315+ lbs is advanced level unless you're over 200 lbs. It's right there in the image you posted.
>especially when you consider the average adult male is 200 pounds in the US.
That's because the average American male is very fat. That site doesn't get its data from average American males, it gets its data from weight lifters.

>>77320250
1pl8 is entry to the club.

>>77321542
>>77321575
>You wont
Prophecy fulfilled

>>77321584
Right after you post your bench weights. I don't even need a video kek.

>>77321582
Advanced is the bare minimum of respectable for anyone who cares about their bench press numbers.

Intermediate = 1-2 years experience
Advanced = 2-4
Elite = 5+

I could coach anyone whose willing to gain weight to atleast 200 pounds to a 315 bench in 2 years.

>>77321575
If you're an anorexic looking framecel and normies see you maxing out at 3pl8s, they think "WOW, I didn't expect him to lift that much". If you're a huge Brian Shaw looking guy and they see you lifting 3pl8s, they think "I'm surprised that's all he can lift". Sorry if you don't like that, but that's just how it works.

>>77321592
But will you be stronger than a Brian Shaw looking guy if you lift the same weight?
Nope you won't. But you will still be an anorexic looking framecel unlike that guy

>>77321589
135kg.
>Inb4 calculated
Nope. Literally did it just two days ago.
Time for you to post your video tho (you will never and will now try to find a new angle to make witty comments and avoid outing yourself as dyel)

>>77320262
Damn, that's insane dedication. Good job. Most people would've given up far before that four year mark if they didn't even reach 2pl8 yet.

>>77321598
>sub-3pl bencher
yeah i was right. Sub-3pl thinking he isn't intermediate. Thanks for taking up the bait
Im not gonna post anything because I never take vids of myself in gym kek

>>77321590
The site goes by percentiles, the years of experience are just estimates and don't really mean anything. Intermediate is 50th percentile (among weight lifters), advanced is 80th percentile, elite is 95th percentile. You think that only 80th percentile or above is "respectable" because you're an elitist.
After 2-3 years of serious dedicated lifting, you'll probably have already reached most of your genetic potential and will be fighting for smaller and smaller improvements, you don't just keep gaining strength and muscle linearly forever. Most men are biologically incapable of reaching 200+ lbs without being fat, they reach their genetic limits before reaching that weight.

>>77321594
You'll never be stronger than a gorilla, so I guess every person who's ever lived is unimpressive since gorillas are stronger.

>>77321621
>Prophecy fulfilled yet again

>>77321623
>You think that only 80th percentile or above is "respectable" because you're an elitist
How so? Why would being an average guy(50th percentile) be respectable? You're literally average by definition

>>77321631
Do you think you're intermediate or advanced brah? I'll post a video if you answer I promise

>>77321636
I am elite :)

>>77321623
I agree, years of experience don't mean anything. That's why Intermediate numbers are garbage. Anyone serious about their training blows past them relatively quickly.

Also let me rephrase. I don't think two plates is a laughable bench, but if I see it I just think "yeah this guy trains a bit"

I also agree with your last point. You'll see most of your gains in 2-3 years, but most people never truly achieve anything close to what their actually peak in those years could be.

You also need to pick and choose your goals, you don't need to be fat... But trying to be lean and shredded does zero favors for your bench 1rm. All of the best benchers around 200 pounds are 5'7.

>>77321661
>All of the best benchers around 200 pounds are 5'7.
Kek demonstrably wrong

>>77321634
>"how is it elitist to think that being average is beneath respect?"

>>77321663
You're dumb man. Literally every top powerlifting below 205 is a manlet.

>>77321669
why would someone respect the mundane?
are you not born for greatness?

>>77321329
Well imagine a marathon runners body with very narrow frame and long limbs. I have always been natural to running, but I never cherished it but instead wanted to look muscular and not like a weakling. My 1/2-marathon pr is 1:24:26 done after 10 weeks running program. Most people could never achieve this, for me it's the 2pl8 bp that is unreachable. Btw my leg strenght is decent. 120 kg squat and 162.5 kg dl, both 5rm. Especially i feel that long arms give my very advantageous starting position in dl. Squat is struggle though

>>77321628
I'm still trying to knock out the gorilla fyi. A whale or elephant is probably more in the realm of a living creature that surpasses me in either mass or sheer power. A T Rex is another one that I'm not so confident about.

Is volume really the key to benching more? Im stuck at 250lbs for 4-5 reps

>>77323840
Yes, and variety
5x5 @225 in <5minutes, pyramids, tear downs, pin press and DB bench is what got me to 3pl8

>>77323848
Im doing reverse pyramid with paused sets twice a week and some machine press accessories. It got me from 225 to 250 in a few weeks but I exhausted its gains. Unfortunately I dont have access to pin press and DB bench

>>77323860
Maybe Ill start a 5/3/1 and jump 5 lbs every month?

>>77323840
Decrease the reps to 2-3 and increase the weight
Still have a separate volume day where you bench 5 reps

>>77320250
Most never post their bodyweight either.
300lbs benching 215lbs isn't impressive.

>>77320156
What where are those things that fell off the bench when he unpacked?

>>77323953
180lbs benching 215lbs isn't impressive either. It's 215lbs dude lmao

>>77323953
180lbs 5'10. Im this guy
>>77323840
>>77323860

>>77323944
Ill try 255X3 reps 5 sets. Ill probably fail the last sets but fuck it

>>77323975
If you fail just slightly reduce the weight. Reverse pyramid is the way

>>77320475
1 rep maxes is for teenage dyels

>>77323977
Just to elaborate on this, below is how I currently bench. Im 205lbs 6'2

Heavy day:
355lbs x 2 - Top set. Currently fail the 2nd rep, once I can reliably do 2 reps for 3 weeks in a row I up the top set weight by 5lbs
350lbs x 2
345lbs x 2
340lbs x 2
290lbs x 5

Volume day:
290lbs 5 x 5-7

>>77323993
Man youre strong

>>77323998
I've been lifting for 16 years since 20y old and still cannot do 4pl so I don't think so