Really pathetic projection going on here. Also you have a very arbitrary and narrow grasp of what depression is.

>>77323014
You're right, but why make this thread now? Depression is a 2010s meme.

>>77323019
let me guess, you're depressed

>>77323014
That's not clinical depression that's just u protecting your little fantasy of how u are secretly a anime hero in your world and when it touches reality it instantly shatters so instead of doing anything you just circle the drain.. mostly because you enjoy it. The surplus enjoyment the painful enjoyment from rotting cannot be underestimated. Pussy ass niggaq

>>77323014
retarded nigger read what you wrote, you're describing traits of regular people

>>77323014
Cool story, but where's the /fit/ness?

>>77323019
Struck a nerve?

>>77323014
all of the mental health threads are exactly the same
>OP calls everyone with mental illness bitches, pussies and faggots
>OP goes on to brag about what a cool tough he is for not having mental illness or what a complete le disciplined badass he is because he got over some emotional event like his cat dying or something
And the underlying theme in all of OPs replyies will be what tough guy he is and how he has complete control over his mind because he just so fucking cool

>>77323019
fpbp

>>77323014
It's a symptom. How about addressing the cause instead of being retarded.

Is the prison exclusive to depressives? Or are they going to be thrown together with criminals?

How come we have all sorts of camps like rehabs and all, but don't have like a "be happy camp"? I swear depression would fade away for most people if they spent a month next to nature and playing outdoor games with strangers they'll never see again.

>>77323108
>what tough guy he is and how he has complete control over his mind
this but unironically

>>77323014
I go to the park for hours, still an incel

>>77323486
and yet you cant even look a girl in the eye and say hello

>>77323014
>Why should society be burdened by depressed faggots?
Because the alternative is depressed faggots with nothing to lose knocking on your door to shoot you. It's the exact same reason society coddles the homeless, for example. It's cheaper to give the dysfunctional elements just enough resources to subsist without actively harming society than to force their hand into harming society.
> It's ok to be sad but we need to send depressionfags to prison
Congrats, you gave them incentive to mask symptoms and get even more dysfunctional over time. Which we already have anyways, it's called involuntary commitment.

op is obviously the people he's talking about, it's far too specific

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>>77323014
You're getting dogpiled, but speaking the truth, OP. Our society is dysfunctional in large part because depressionfags can't shape up and make slow, consistent, but meaningful effort at resolving their issues, and by extension the issues of society.

>>77323014
maybe the average person shouldnt be treated as replaceable debt slave who doesnt belong to any nation or historical bloodline that warrants respect.

doomers are scumbags never listen to doomers

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>>77323014
you have no idea what you're talking about

People with depression struggle to even get out of bed every morning. What a miserable, dumb, uninformed post.

>>77323014
>Why should society be burdened by depressed faggots?
lmao what burden? Having to rescue them after a failed suicide attempt? They don't even 0.1% of the damage to society that niggers, fatsos, faggots, or sociopaths do

>Takes jewish poison to permanently alter their brain and chemically castrate themselves without address the cause for their depression

Well, i take bupropion (wellbutrin) and I feel great now and my libido is up the roof. A bunch of psychs wanted to give me SSRI but I rather be suicidal than have a perma-limp dick

>>77324411
>what burden?
Opportunity cost. Every depressionfag gained is a society-improover lost. Think of the George Washingtons, the Einsteins, and the Steve Jobs who never amounted to anything because they were at home smoking weed and whacking off just to feel something. Or worse, an heroed.

>>77324708
Steve jobs did psychedelics and also soaked his feet in piss

>>77324828
Engage with the idea, not the words.

>>77323574
Classic meme, very appropriate for this pseud OP

>>77324854
Steve Jobs also created a company which produces loads of unrecyclable electronic bullshit that occupies landfills all over the world. It would've been better if he hadn't existed at all. I'll take a sadboi depressive who sits in their room and does nothing over a sociopath using rare earth minerals to make glowing screens to distract humanzees.

>>77324981
Since you're having trouble, I'll point out that the thesis statement was: "Every depressionfag gained is a society-improover lost." Can you engage with that point instead of the words used to make the point?

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>>77324993
the vast majority of people aren't depressed and yet only a few of them contribute to improving society in a meaningful way, and anyway this whole "opportunity cost" idea hangs on a meaningless imaginary scenario. It's like saying that if stupid people were smarter we could have more geniuses pushing us forwards, how is that useful?

>>77325035
>the vast majority of people aren't depressed and yet only a few of them contribute to improving society in a meaningful way
So because the pool of improovers is small, we should accept it as is, and not try to improve it? Well, anon, that's retarded doomer talk.
>how is that useful?
Clarifying an opportunity statement is the first step to moving towards capitalizing on that opportunity. Plenty of people have overcome depression and contributed positively to society. If suggesting that trend continue and accelerate is intolerable to you, you might be a colossal faggot.

>>77323014
I think a good cure for what some call depression is not not force yourself to do things you don't enjoy that others socially signal for you to do. Well, others don't necessarily even signal for you to do them, but they project ideas of what they think everyone else thinks they should do. This creates a complex social network of expectations that almost everyone becomes somewhat dependent on and when they don't meet the assumed expectations that only exist in their minds as simulations of how others will treat them, they get sad. Maybe this is just subjective to my experience, but personally I think the best thing to do for your individual freedom and mental health is to not be emotionally dependent on your own or others' duties, but to do the rational bare minimum that you think keeps you afloat. The rest of the time you can just do whatever you feel like doing.

>>77325053
Also viewing your environment as an actual place that matters is good. And viewing yourself as smarter for keeping your environment pure is good, because it actually means that you are smarter and more rational than a third world street shitter.

>>77325053
>do the rational bare minimum that you think keeps you afloat.
This is what I was doing when I was depressed and it sustained my depression and stoked a general "going through the motions" malaise. You have to work for something to break out of it. A bare minimum mindset will not help you.

>>77325051
it's a problem but you don't solve it by getting mad at depressed people and putting them in prisons, depression is merely a symptom that spreads because of other issues. Circling back to my example of stupid people, you'd solve that by improving the education system and not by bullying retards, likewise if you want fewer people to be depressed then you need to create a better environment that leads fewer people to fall into despair in the first place rather than banking on the idea that you can give someone a slap and tell him to get over it and have him magically become a productive member of society

>>77325058
You certainly don't need to aim for a new one rep max in the gym or something like that. It can be an option, but there are grounded ways of simply thinking about things that can make you realize this is not a rational or necessary goal.

>>77325072
>you need to create a better environment that leads fewer people to fall into despair
See and this is where you and I differ. I don't believe the human spirit to be deterministic. We all have agency and regardless of the difficulty of our circumstances can choose to persevere and shift our paradigms. The blame rests fully on the shoulders of the individual who chooses to respond to adversity with submission and avoidance, not with an indifferent society.
>t. Former depressed individual, multiple suicide attempts.

>>77325051
Improving society... Lol most people are literally holding the economy up with their labour. It's another fantasy of like something that is stable like a class of secret improoovers that are improving everything from the shadows for their own benefit lol. Of course there is organizations and individuals vying for power or the market in different ways but there is a subtle difference in indulging in a fantasy that brings comfort and engaging with reality.

>>77325072
>that you can give someone a slap and tell him to get over it and have him magically become a productive member of society
There is no magic, the individual just makes a choice to accept the wake-up call they're given. Why would you think it'd take magic to make a choice? That's fucking stupid.

>>77325080
>Lol most people are literally holding the economy up with their labour.
So, maintaining society, you might say?

>>77325078
>>77325084
individual responsibility doesn't exclude the existance a larger societal issue.
Just look at obesity, individually we are all responsible for our own weight but if obesity rates are skyrocketing it means that there's an underlying systematic problem behind it, and whether you like it or not just calling fatties dumb and amoral will never solve it

>>77323014
You have to be 18 to post on this site. Go back playing roblox kiddo.

>>77325096
>whether you like it or not just calling fatties dumb and amoral will never solve it
Fatties are dumb and amoral and mandatory fat camp would unironically help them. You cannot blame society for fat people on fucking /fit/ of all places where most here are actively making the decision not to be fatties.

>>77325087
Yeah maintaining society but what is the driving force that improves society it's the market forces of capitalism

>>77325096
>larger societal issue.
Yeah, and that larger societal issue is people, en masse, choosing to be depressed or fat. Society doesn't make you pick up the fork or make you be a doomer. You choose that.

>>77325149
The church has also done a lot on that front in absentia of market forces, but I understand you're speaking in generalities and I don't necessarily disagree. Depression does generally lock you out of following up on and capitalizing on those market forces, thoughbeit. We're both right.

>>77325150
Sure but environment certainly plays a factor if ur an alcoholic and you live in a liquor store ur gonna have issues just like living in a fast food dystopia surrounded by drive-throughs and every store having trash around you, a person who has never worked out and has developed a shit ton of fat cells and their hunger signals are all fucked up or they depended on food to protect them from deep traumas as a child there is much more nuance that much is obvious and when u don't take into account nuance and u make blanket statements it actually just looking for things to make sense a gurantee that something is upholding a standard it's a pathetic cry to the universe a cry for things to make sense.

>>77325171
The one comma in your post fighting for his fuckin life.

>>77325135
it's not feasible to put them all in fat camps, there are too many of them plus most would gain back the weight once they went back to the environment they got fat in initially
>>77325150
true, but you also have to wonder why so many choose that. Changing one person is a thing, changing a million is an entirely different matter. If you can get one friend to stop moping or to lose weight that's great and you did some good, but you'll still go outside and see tons of doomers and hamplanets

>>77325171
>The lengths some niggas will go to to justify retarded decisions.
It's not that deep you fucking retard. Choose not to be fat, choose not to be a depressed gooner. Everyone has their temptations, everyone has their justifications, everyone can choose to do otherwise. Their choices don't depend on their level of temptation, on their childhood traumas, or on anything other than what they decide. Going to these lengths to pretend otherwise is just fucking pathetic.

>>77325182
>you also have to wonder why so many choose that.
No, I don't. They choose it because it is easy. They choose it because it feels good and demands nothing of them. And yes, depression, in its own way, does feel good. It's a comforting abandonment of effort.

>>77324152
>depression is the reason for dysfunctional society
Bravo you just exchanged symptom and cause. Noone is born with depression. Society, economy and life beating down upon you is the cause of the problem not vice versa.

>>77325204
>Society, economy and life beating down upon you is the cause of the problem not vice versa.
If this were true, everyone who faces social, economic, or life problems would be depressed. This is not the case. Many people face adversity and power through. It is a choice you make in response to these problems. Therefore it is the individual that causes the problem, not society.

>>77325192
did someone piss you off this week? this all seems very pointed

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>>77325182
>it's not feasible to put them all in fat camps

>>77325196
>No, I don't
you do if you want to change it, if you just want to vent your frustrations that's fine but don't expect it to have any impact
>>77325216
ok now build enough of these to host 140 million people

>>77325215
I believe in the human spirit and therefore cannot stand doomers. You will see the sunshine, you will endure hardship, you will be stronger for it, and you will feel the redeeming love of the Lord which was paid for with greater suffering than you will ever know. And you'll fucking like it.

>>77325224
answer my question.

>>77325222
Did you really stop reading at
>No, I don't
I went on to state I understand it already. Formerly depressed person, myself.

>>77325228
Okay. The answer is no.

>>77325237
see, was that hard? why the need for all the self aggrandizement big guy? somebody making you feel small?

>>77325222
>now build enough of these to host 140 million people
If we modified all stadiums in the US, we could fit about 9 million people at once. Assuming one fattie cycle takes about 2-3 months, we could be done in about 3 years.

>>77325208
Oh yes, the old power through meme. Its nice and easy to say. For whom shall you power through? For the state so it can extract more taxes from you? For your employer so he can call you a good wagie? For society and economy so they can give you a clap on the shoulder for keeping up the fassade that effort pays of in a turbo capitalist hellhole and you shall get all your happiness and goals from consooming? Some just opt to not play that game anymore and I cant blame them.

>>77325247
Jesus loves you and He has the authority to forgive you of your sins and transform you into someone who no longer wants to sin.

>>77325252
so whens he coming to save you? or are you responsible to look in the mirror and understand how that has to happen?

>>77325229
I just assumed since the argument revolved around how to solve the situation, I never disagreed on the notion that ultimately we are all responsible for ourselves

>>77325251
>For whom shall you power through?
When I tried to kill myself, I had nothing. I'd recently gone through a divorce and spent a year and a half smoking weed and banging sluts. If I'd been successful, I'd have been eaten by my dog and cat until the smell alerted the neighbors and I was given a small funeral.
Today, my wife is outside my office door playing games with my giggling baby boy. She is pregnant with our second child. For whom shall you power through? For yourself and for those who will love you. For the life you will have that is orders of magnitude greater than anything you've ever experienced.

>>77325258
I will stay around, for my friends, for my parents. I have no interest in relationships with females. I cant stand them. So being a father will be no option.

>>77324981
He stimulated the economy that's what matters this is capitalism if it not viewing everything as a commodity u already lost blud where u think we are the incel kingdom where there is a rational cause and effect nigga.this is capitalism nigg

>>77325251
It’s really unfortunate that in the west a persons entire value comes down to their profession and salary isn’t it

>>77323014
Did they never learn to be happy or how to smile?

>>77325252
Jesus is already back Brody when there is love between two brothers I will be there he ain't coming back blud never was. When Jesus was on the cross for a moment god turned away from him and showed us all that there truly is no guarantee even God cannot provide the overarching gurantee. To authentically walk through Christianity is to realize God isn't here it's up to you to make the right decisions period. No one is coming to save you.

I’m in my mid 30s and probably the biggest loser and most depressed person on this board. The worst part of it is the depressive spiral that makes you me thoughts completely irrational. I have ended up in this position because as the years progressed and I was still a loser, I saw less and less reason to try to change, my self confidence decreased more and more, and my self hatred increased more and more. Im at the point now where I’m so ridiculously far behind where I should be in life that I don’t see a point anymore. I’m never going to have a family, good finances with a house, or a successful life anyway. No one gets to this age not doing jack shit with their life and magically turns it around. I know it’s completely irrational thinking but going through three decades of being a self-hating, self esteem less failure leaves you in this state.

>>77325296
>schizobabble
Actually read the book, please.

>>77325300
Ask your go-to LLM to give you a list of people who got their start later in life. There's a ton. You're not even that far behind in your 30s. The only thing holding you back is fear of failure. Lose that fear, there's nothing wrong with trying and failing. Only with not trying at all.

>>77325300
U need to let all that shit go. Realize that A: you gain a deep painful enjoyment from the tension of avoidance
B: are you protecting a fantasy of what you could have been because you haven't met reality head on? Do u harbor feelings of "if I just did this I could be x but I didn't" those can be a addictive comfort, protecting what's left of your fantasy that u are something, the fantasy of pretending you are secretly something can be shattered by engaging with reality too directly that's why some people put shit off forever. Or maybe u engaged with reality to directly and ur fantasies can no longer form in a way that mediates the actual pointlessness of life.
C: ur fantasy that there is someone upholding these arbitrary checkpoints that u failed to pass is the same as believing in God. You think there is someone or something guaranteeing something. This is a fantasy.

>>77325320
You are very wise, anon. Glad you're here giving the doomers the straight talk.

>>77325320
K. Did all that. Now how do I get an actual job to turn this all around? You say God is some fantasy standard so what's the solution that is tangible and practical IRL?
>IDK
That's what I thought, you shit skinned ESL, generic advice monkey.

>>77325339
Practically, taking responsibility for where you're at and recognizing other people aren't responsible for it is a good first step. Don't be a dick to people who are trying to help you.
Practically, what are your interests? You should always seek work that you'd enjoy doing. If you're still feeling it out, get yourself a job that affords you the freedom to think and explore other fields while you work. Security guard work is easy to get if you're not a felon and there is plenty of downtime that can be used for pursuing education or applying to other jobs you're more interested in. I can highly recommend it as a starting point.

>>77325339
No the solution is literally this: know that the "big other" which is the thing you perceive as watching you is paper thin and it is a structural part of you. "Lack", the emptiness in you is structural it's meant to make you desire something. Now here is what you do: you must let yourself desire something you want. For example I want to fuck a top tier female that fantasy can sustain my desire that if I get that something in me will be "complete". Now here is another subtle part that's important you need to know that when u reach that it will not fulfill you. We desire the desire itself not the object you get. The object generates the desire. When you want to instantly bridge the gap between you and the object you want, you instantly fall into neurosis. Try to make ten thousand dollars with a deadline of ten hours see how manic u act that is the effect of trying to bridge the gap and it produces the same effect as protecting a fantasy a painful rumination a circling of the drain trying to vye for a guarantee which is a structural impossibility so u can't move. You just circle endlessly. So...

What do you do? You pick something you actually want that embarrassing thing u pushed out of your mind. You act towards it understanding that it won't complete you but act anyways enjoying the fantasy that it generates. You finally get it. Once you get it your desire will shift and you do the same shit again. This is the true engine of happiness the gaps in between, the process and enjoying the fantasy of completion. This is some high level shit fr it's difficult and subtle but it's fundamental to how we are structured and this is all produced from permanent symbols aka language

>>77325345
not that anon, I thought I had won against depression and I was doing fine on my own but then I got this close to getting with the chick of my dreams and when suddenly it all crumbled down I let myself fall into melancholy like a fool. My trouble now is finding a new object of desire, I've set a few long term goals but none of them shine brightly enough to make me want to pull myself by the bootstraps iykwim, it's like I've temporarily lost the ability to truly desire something

>>77325360
>but then I got this close to getting with the chick of my dreams and when suddenly it all crumbled down I let myself fall into melancholy like a fool
Let me rip this bandaid off for you. You don't actually have feelings for a woman you haven't gotten with. You're infatuated and interested in the idea of pursuing her. I fully blame movies, TV, and anime for pushing the idea of developing feelings for someone and confessing them in a melodramatic heartfelt moment. That's not how love works. You vibe with someone well, then build love over time after you start dating. Stop building your worldview on entertainment media and you'll have an easier time aligning your expectations to reality. She was not the chick of your dreams, you didn't even really know her if you never got with her in the first place.

>>77325392
>She was not the chick of your dreams
I've already accepted this, it's not my current issue I'm now more worried about my apathy
>you didn't even really know her if you never got with her in the first place
we've known each other for years and we had gotten closer and closer over time so I know her rather well, I did idealize her a bit my feelings were real and founded on legitimate compatibilities and shared experiences, I'm fairly sure that she "strung me along" for a while because she kinda felt it too but ultimately she accepted that she didn't share my feelings and we put some distance between us. I've made my peace with it and I can see why she wasn't "the one", I just called her girl of my dreams to better express what I felt at the time and why I fell down so hard after this. Anyway thanks for the reply, it's good to hear stuff like that to stay grounded

>>77325345
>I want to ducks a top tier female
You will soon, the biggest chads refer to women as females

>>77323014
Yeah You’re describing me and I’m a complete basket case but what the fuck does it matter. I’m over 30 and a kissless virgin. I never got a good career. I have o accomplishments or positive memories from my life. People can try to give the meaningless platitudes and other garbage but I’m never going to overcome the humiliation of what I’ve done to my life, literally all day every day I just exist in a haze of shame and humiliation.

>>77325450
Why don't you do anything different?

>>77325459
What’s the point. I know I’m never going to have a happy life.

>>77325485
I think you're enjoying the Woe-is-me pathetic wallowing you're doing and you don't want to lose the comfort of being able to do it.

>>77325492
maybe you didnt hear him. why should he if he doesnt want to, especially if he pays taxes

>>77325495
>literally all day every day I just exist in a haze of shame and humiliation.
Because this is not good.

>>77325495
>Don't worry, anon, I shall defend your right to mental illness because of muh taxes or something.
Great work, champ. You're a bad person.

>>77325511
its his choice and if thats how he wants to be he can. everyone doesnt have to fit your mold there pogue boy

>>77325696
I certainly can't stop him, but I can tell him he's wrong. Just like I can't stop you from being a faggot.

>>77325708
>REEEEE NO, ANON, YOU CAN'T JUST TELL DEPRESSIONFAGS THEY'RE WRONG!!! IT'S LIKE TOTALLY THEIR HECKIN VALID CHOICE!!!

>>77325696
>Misery loves company: the guy

>>77323108
Its just more demoralizing slop from bots, or >people too retarded to be differentiated from bot behavior
They'll burn out from lack of attention sooner or later (and then become depressed lol)

>>77325708
>>77325729
why are you two jumping on each others dicks? you dont give a guy who needs help a bunch of nebulous shit like youre some kind of guru with all the answers. you let them figure it out and come to you for help, you dont belittle them and tell them theyre a waste of life and try to shame them into becoming better. try leading by example fatass

>>77325739
>You don't just help a guy who needs help!
Kill yourself.

>>77325814
you dont help anyone you fucking faggot. play in traffic dick for brains

>>77323014
The truth is somewhere in the middle cuz the real world is pretty aids and some people simply can't handle the hand they were dealt in a healthy way. Environment (which includes your friends and family) are the most important things for success. If you're born into a family that enables bad behavior, it's pretty much over for you.

>>77325829
Better than encouraging him to stay depressed. Kill yourself.

>>77325861
oh but youre helping with these retarded paragraphs of bullshit. no please continue im sure he’ll wake up tomorrow and reflect on the great wisdom of just, ‘stop bro’. zip tie bag over head now please!

>>77325866
>im sure he’ll wake up tomorrow and reflect on the great wisdom of just, ‘stop bro’
We can hope, anon. He'd be far better off, wouldn't he?

>>77325866
>the great wisdom of just, ‘stop bro’
Oftentimes, wisdom is most profound in simplicity.

>>77325870
hey man id love if no one wanted to eat gun just as much as you, dont get my intent wrong PLEASE. youre on the money, these people like to wallow, but when you deal with fucking manic depressives they will drag you into the mud. you have to show them a better way. they know their fucked up they dont need to be told. they know theyre a fucking drag, they see it on peoples faces. we’re too atomized, i mean shit we’re sitting here wishing death upon each other, anonymously. there is no catch all man, just dont beat on them anymore, you just make it worse

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>>77325053
BOO HOO NIGGA IF YOU DIDNT HAVE VIDJA AND SCREENS TO HELP YOU SIT AROUND AND DO NOTHING THIS BARE MINIMUM SHIT WOULDNT FLY

another overthinking depressionfag

notice how much they type and excuse shit always using liberal fat people terms like "nuance" "unpack" "trauma" "society"

>>77325300
the best thing that can happen is you get banned from this board
in fact prison would be very good for you because you'd be forced to get your shit together and focus on what matters instead of self-loathing and comparing yourself to others like an emo faggot

>>77325320
good shit my nigga. these faggots need some buddhism in their lives instead of being attached to fantasies and ideals then sitting around in a pity party when they realize reality isn't some fantasy

>>77325409
fucking faggot attached to fantasies nigga get with reality

>>77325860
loser mentality. rich people kill themselves every day while people in 3rd world countries are happy. niggas in prison find ways to have good days while faggots in the free world cry cause they're too lazy to get out of bed.

another reason prison is good for depressed people, sleeping all day results in an ass-whooping


also read this fucking book you fucking depression faggots that wanna cry all day cause youre idea of what life should be like never came true.

>>77326263
This anon has definitely been to prison. How long did you do, anon? What for?

>>77323014
Objectively correct. Every oh woe is me faggot I know does literally zero to fix any of their problems and actively make it worse for more imaginary sob points

Op is a dyel blasian btw

>>77323014
im the exact guy youre describing and i agree, as well as agreeing with all the people saying how pathetic and whiny depressed people are, doing nothing to fix their lives. its so fucking pathetic how i sit here doing nothing, lament about how i do nothing, want to kill myself because i do nothing, yet keep doing nothing. i dont know what the fuck is wrong with my mentally ill brain. i just dont see the fucking point in doing anything. i dont have any confidence so i dont want to expose myself to the humiliation of failing at what i would try. why does it have to be like this

>>77326286
>why does it have to be like this
Your choices, nigga. Just choose to do shit. It really is not hard.

>>77323014
I feel like this is how 70% of the gym dudes think because they are so evil

>>77323014
As a former depressive I agree. If your life is so shit then change it, you have nothing to lose. Such a boring outlook on things too

The future looks like it's going to be complete shit even for normal relatively successful people. Also, life is obviously not worth living without relationships, which I have gone three decades without and therefore surely will never have one in the future because no one wants to even try with a person like me. What reason do i have to not be a depressed doomer?

>>77326286
eliminate distractions. the only reason you have the convenience to sit around a mope all day is cause you have the internet, TV, and free rent to distract you from life

>>77323019
Correct they're a larper.