Why do self improvement grifters think suffering for the sake of suffering is some kind of epic manly feat of manliness? It's not. It's like going to the gym and constantly stepping on rusty nails to prove the other lifters you're super hard and manly and even train while your feet are bleeding when in reality you're just being retarded and making things difficult for no reason
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They don't. Except maybe goggins. Not all self improvement grifters are on the extreme end of the scale.
>>77323604Despite looking like a parody of the genre, Jocko is actually very balanced and reasonable. I like military history so I listened to a lot of his podcasts a few years ago and he's not really a hurr durr suffer meathead. His leadership/business advice is also all decent common sense stuff; if your boss was someone that followed his advice you'd be happy to work for them for example. I don't consider him a grifter at all personally.But I do agree that the phenomena you're describing exists and is prevalent. I think it's cause most guys have this innate desire to do something of significance in their life and the mundane nature of middle class modernity in the west doesn't afford them much chance to express that desire. So they assign difficulty and suffering to things that aren't particularly hard. Like how people talk about how hard they went in the gym or whatever when going to failure doesn't really hurt that bad all things considered. It's the same phenomena that makes chefs act like they're in the battle of the somme when they're making a plate of pasta.
>>77323604because their target audience of dyel 4chan incels loves pretending they're LE DISCIPLINED EPIC SPARTAN WARRIOR.example:>NOOOO! YOU CANT USE OZEMPIC WHEN YOU CUT! ITS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME THAT YOU SUFFER WHEN YOU LOSE WEIGHT!!
>>77323635ozempic is bad tho
>>77323604Because they enjoy it
>>77323604Discomfort is a potent catalyst for change so they make the leap that creating discomfort is the same.
>>77323604It's a /fit/ thing. A lot of people into fitness are also into stoicism and think it's the same thing. But there are plenty of ways to be fit that aren't punishing.
You are going to suffer in life so you can choose to cope and seethe or just have as positive an outlook as possible with a view to ending it. Same for when it ends you can loom back and say that sucked it was so unfair or at least say to yourself I'm lucky enough to be a stronger and potentially more usefil person now. But you're right, suffering outside of something like tje gym or studying for school shouldn't be encouraged amd doesn't need to be since the people who choose to suffer for spiritual reasons can't be moved one way or the other anyway.
>>77323658But why?
>>77323604What do you mean by suffering? It's not like they sleep in a den of snakes or get themselves whipped.
>>77323604They don't think much. Getting beaten with a stick and instructing others how to get better at that too is just the only marketable skill they have.
>>77323604they are mostly speaking to dyels and beginners who have to get over the initial hump of suffering
>>77323635>NOT EATING LIKE A FAT PIG IS SUFFERINGput down the donuts
>>77323604Im a diagnosed schizo with similar meds that mak has. Those grifters larp as le epic suffering builds manliness and shit but those faggots would kill themselves if they were put on antipsychotic meds. These meds basically cut all dopamine so you roll thru life without enjoying anything plus long term side effects. Successful schizos (who keep jobs, cars, bills) on meds are unironically built different, they do what they have to do without feeling zero rewarding. Thats why usually people on psychiatric meds are uneasy, unresting, and always depressed or angry. I learned this after going thru 12 years of those meds and getting some pills that raise dopamine a bit, i realised i walked thru life in nightmare mode. Normies have no fucking idea how fucking lucky they are and how fucking bratty and useless they are. Suffering for the sake of it is 100% retarded, and so are those grifters and their followers
>>77323604>Dying for Israel? GOOD
>>77323658>>77324306Masochists
>>77324375Ok mack
These guys are all hardcore badasses until you bring up JQ and suddenly they start stuttering kek
>>77323604some people are just unlucky and they suffer. They can't cope with the fact that their suffering is completely useless, so they think they'll have to suffer even more to escape their suffering. This way their current suffering becomes meaningful.Meanwhile, effortlesschad gets everything the betasuffer wants.>t. former self-improver betasufferer, now sigmasufferer who just suffers the right amount
>>77323635Ozempic has horrible side effects and if you stop taking it, you will gain all the weight back because you never learned how to endure the feeling of hunger.
>>77324375Similar situation here. Yes.
>>77323604Suffering is essential if you want to do something great. But the guys that watch this are office cattle. I think it's a kind of nihilistic asceticism where the suffering itself creates meaning. It's backwards
>>77323604Anyone have that clip of Joe Rogan trying to show someone Jocko and the guy is like >I'm not trying to get over laziness, my kid just died Or something like that. Peak Rogan sociopathic autism
>>77323604>suffering for the sake of sufferingNobody ever said that, the point is suffering voluntarily to avoid the inevitable suffering that life will deal you if you keep on running away from hard things like a fag.Most people need that spelled out to them, because instinctively the middle of the bell curve is going to eat goyslop and scroll digital ket.I don't think consciously suffering is less righteous than unconsciously, like the kids who really feel rewarded by aceing exams and automatically sacrifice the joys of quick dopamine for the suffering of studying to achieve that. It's the same thing. >to prove the other lifters you're super hard and manlyThis is more of a social media symptom in general. I've seen lots of gifted people also showing off online for the reward of praise from others, but plenty of people who are actively trying to be better and also showing off how hard they're trying. It's human, it's cringe but you're going to the library and complaining that there are books there.
>>77323635There are literal fat women that have lost hundreds of pounds by simply fasting.Fasting is free and has no negative side effects.If you can't fast away your weight, it means you have less willpower and determination than a literal FAT WOMAN.Ozempic also won't teach you good eating habits, self-restraint, and stress management (most overeating is just stress-eating).Not only you're destroying your health with Big Pharma poison, you're only cheating yourself because you didn't learn the habits that lead to STAYING lean.I've personally known cases of people who got bariatric surgery because, just like you, they were too stupid to just stop eating garbage.In ALL cases they ended up gaining back the weight, then some more, and ended up with horrible, lifelong side effects from the surgery. A permanently disfigured digestive system.
>>77323604Without it they'd be jacking off and eating cheetos for most of the day
>>77323604Jocko is not a grifter at all, and he does not promote suffering. His thing is that discipline and leadership are how to have a good life/successful organization
>>77323604Because that's how military prople are? You can't be that logical or smart if you take pride in being sent to secure poppy fields for limpwrist pencil necks when they could have just glassed the whole country or laid siege and cut off supplies to their enemies.
>>77325440>Sorry, OP, but your post is actually about my political beliefs
>>77325428Calm down Mister Willink
>>77325163Exactly, Jesus gave meaning to suffering but suffering and life is inherently meaningless, that's why I don't like Christianity it teaches that suffering is a virtue
>>77323604protestant work ethic
>>77323635THIS FAT BITCH CAN'T STOMACH 300KCAL DEFICIT A DAYAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHAHA
>>77325562This nigga out here suffering meaninglessly lmao couldn't be me
>>77323604Not everybody is on the same playing field whether they're like innawoods, or innasuburbs, or what ever big ass cities are these days; however, yeah at the end of the day just lift something heavy, and put it back down.
