>>77334867
THE WEAK SHOULD FEAR THE STRONG

>>77334867
But if you overcome it your still having shitty generics lol?
And ppl with great genetics still have great genetics?

>>77334867
This tranny injects good genetics twice a week

>>77334867
The thing is, you can't overcome shitty genetics with determination and hard work

>>77334867
This is roids, retard

>>77334920
Steroids just magically replace all the effort required to look like that

You don't get graded on how much sleep you lose studying. Your life will improve a lot when you accept this.

>>77334927
To a great extent they do

>>77334927
Not always just 99.6% of the time.

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>>77334899
my conclusion as well.

you need to be content with your personal improvement.

but acknowledge that you will always be inferior to people like OP's pic even if you juiced. and so will 90% of the population.

just the way it is

>>77334927
You cannot look like that without roids. And with roids you have to put the same amount of effort to grow muscle.

>>77334899
With steroids and years of hard work, you can achieve quite a lot even with a shitty genetic hand.

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you can't change your muscle instructions
you can't change your small bones

accept it and embrace the struggle. build on what you have to build on and be grateful to have the opportunity.

any1 can work hard but you can't change your genetics hence genetics are more valuable and in more limited supply

>>77334867
>Why lift if you cannot be top 0.001% physique of the world?
>Why do any effort into appearance if you cannot be the most 0.001% of top attractive
>Why play a single videogame if you are not going to become master top player in the world?
>why do ANYTHING IF YOU CANT...

Anon, seek help.
You can be better than what you are right now and you will still be above 1% of the population.

These are excuses for you to be lazy. If you wanna be lazy then be lazy. Just don't expect people on a fitness board to support or excuse you. Just be a failure and accept that you are one.

>>77334867
>great roids
FTFY
>>77334899
The real thing is, unless you have a disorder, their is no such thing as "shitty genetics," it's just an excuse from weak willed retards.

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>>77334867
That's exactly why you shouldnt take fitness advice from dudes with amazing genetics - especially ones who take gear on top of having good genetics. They have absolutely zero usable information to give. They can't tell a beginner how to get a 2pl8 bench with a six pack because they did not attain that, they were already there from day 1. Can't even tell an intermediate how to get a 3pl8 bench because even that came easy, just eat a little more and stop taking so many days off gym and boom they get 3pl8 bench. none of their knowledge has any value because they were playing on easy mode. just as I can't tell someone how to get good at CoD when I'm playing with wall hacks and Cronus, "just copy me bro" won't work

You should listen to the natural with average/poor genetics, who got big despite being at a disadvantage, for the best advice

>>77334927
They 100% make it a lot easier. After juicing I don't have to eat as clean or even train as hard as when I was natty and I'm still making more progress. I can take that day off the gym to go drinking with my buddies and I'm still growing more than the natural who's busting his ass and giving 110%

I'm not saying test deca dbol anavar will do all the work, it pretty much just sets you at the same level playing field as guys with good genetics who dont need to work as hard to get results. I can bench 3pl8 without really working that hard now, the same way as genetically gifted chad can

>>77334927
Don't steroids help you recover faster and increase motivation? This is a genuine question, I'm a curious boy and want to know.

>>77334867
>someone to overcome shitty genetics with a good work ethic and determination to succeed
Post an example then, (you cant because this simply doesnt happen).

>>77334899
Yes you can. I lifted, didn't even get that strong, then did an MMA class at school. Eventually they let us spar. I went up against the biggest most naturally mesomorph bully type there. At one point it came down to pure strength, sort of like an arm wrestle moment, and I slooowly gained the upper hand and then pinned him. It was awesome. This from someone who started at a literal underweight BMI lanklet.

>he thinks you can "overcome" shitty genetics for lifting/gyming

oh my sweet summer child

>>77334867
How do you even determine that someone overcame their shitty genetics if they look good? How do you know they had shitty genetics to begin with and it wasnt just an untrained body

Seriously, i can't think of any examples of someone overcoming objectively shitty genetics to look great

>>77334867
fucked up thing is this dude would have been better off looksmaxing instead of becoming a roid tranny and his girl is bogged.

>>77338316
>can't think of any examples of someone overcoming objectively shitty genetics to look great
terry crews, especially that chest gap

>>77334892
99% of guys who roid for years don't look like this, so it's genetics

>>77334867
what is that bitch in the back doing?

>>77335543
>help you recover faster
Yeah, but when you're blasting you don't notice. It still takes my legs a solid 4-5 days to recover. Maybe more. I'm just able to consistently add weight and put on mass.
>increase motivation?
No not really. If you have normal testosterone levels roids do nothing for you mentally. I just really like lifting, actually I like exercising in general, and it's motivating to make progress, but that's it. Roids just give you bigger muscles for the work you're putting in.

>>77338959
What about Tren though?
I'm sure it has a huge overall impact on your psyche. Maybe just not in terms of motivation?

>>77338963
It definitely alters your state of mind. But it depends on the person. Some guys actually get demotivated on tren because it can make you really tired and run down. Plus if you're really affected by the mental aspect you'll sit around and dwell on some girl you dated in the past or you'll worry about people plotting against you. You still need intrinsic motivation.

>>77338979
>you'll sit around and dwell on some girl you dated in the past or you'll worry about people plotting against you
Sounds like good reasons to never do Tren. But like you said, depends on the person.

>>77334867
Too bad his mindset wasn’t swole enough to make it, instead he became a suicidal g4p tattooed methhead.

>>77334867
So the guy has "good genetics" and then works his ass off/diets/juices to look great but thats not more impressicve than a guy with okay genetics genetics who works his ass of/diets/juices to look very good?

Makes no sense. Plenty of great genes get squandered. Also, this particular dude seems to have had to overcome mental illness and drug addiction. So, yeah. Impressive.

>>77339717
Name?

>>77334867
By this logic, you prefer Mike Israel and Indians over normal whites

>>77334867
The idea of overcoming genetics is laughable. You might as well argue a 70 IQ downie can totally become a neurosurgeon if they just try hard enough. Even the capability for effort is genetic itself. You are your genes.

>>77339725
I am Indian

>>77334867
Stop worrying about other people, control what you can control and adopt the mindset of being happy for those who are either blessed with natural gifts or admire those who worked hard to achieve. Envy does you no good, at least not outwardly. Sure it can be a healthy driver internally for competition, but only an emotionally incontinent and highly immature person would spend time worrying about what someone else has.

>>77334990
Claviclet is the most blatant example of roiding without lifting, and for everyone other than anonymous fitness enthusiasts, he had a peak physique. Be honest with yourself. Roids really do make it that easy, at a cost.

>>77339912
>most blatant example of roiding without lifting
He did lift though. He started looking like shit when he stopped.

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>>77334892
This.

>>77334867
Post body

>>77339724
Calum von Moger.
>Literallly has Mog in his name
He was doing well, but then fell off (again) after he got battered by his Thai GF (female).

>>77334867
>>77340116

calum looked good, somewhat like prime arnold, but not the greatest genetics for bodybuilding. he had no lat growth and had weak legs. now that i look at him, he looks narrow as f*k. even if he stayed healthy, he would not have won a pro show in classic physique nor open in today's world. he was doing well as a content creator, but never had hopes in bodybuilding competition at pro level.