this is an honest deadlift:>doesnt allow sumo>doesnt allow hook grip>if you use straps for this then lmao>fully trains grip strengththe weight is lifted and held in the hands defying gravity. the only superior form of deadlifting are:low handle trap bar deadlifts (difficult because you have to balance perfectly)double overhand grip - nobody does this, no one. they all use straps or use hook grip.
>>77337759I'm at the point where I'm just more annoyed at people refusing to learn how to do basic barbell shit and buying specialty hardware for every single thing. Previously I'd argue about the specific benefits but overtime it became clear that people just don't want to learn. They're lazy.
>>77337759Trap bar "deadlift" is a squat, except the bar's not on your back. It's not a deadlift at all. That's why the Army put it in the ACFT.
>>77337785squat does not train grip strength
It's goated. It has a more even fatigue distribution than conventionals so you can do a lot more volume without getting bottlenecked. And a lower herniation risk than DL or squats since it more closely mimics how you actually lift shit irlIt's only less popular cus it looks gay
>>77337759Using the bar that way with handles up puts the weight lower and completely changes the hinges of the movement. Flipping it over is much better, but then you have to deal with balancing the bar which is extremely annoying at higher weights. Also every trap bar I've ever used has had stupidly aggressive knurling that slices into my fingers.
>>77337821gloves. makes it slightly harder but pays off in grip strength and non ripped palms
>>77337802No, but deadlift does.
>>77337759>doesn't allow hook gripYou don't even lift, do you saar?
>>77337870try it. hook grip only works because it prevents rolling on a barbell. it doesnt work on a trap bar
>>77337759I do double overhand deadlift exclusively now
>>77337931>double overhand deadlift exclusivelyThis is the way, and the only way.
>>77337759Its exercise scientists preferred bar
>>77337873Look up hook grip then realize you are brown. You are literally gripping your own thumb to stop your grip from loosening.
>>77338052look up why that is effective for barbells but not for the hex bar, and realize why you are wrong. also DYEL
I don't have anything against dl or trap bar but do you realize that if you ever so slightly change the angle of picking something off the floor, it becomes an entirely different movement. And yeah sorry to say but you didn't understand what hook grip is.
>>77338066>place thumb over barbell, wrap fingers over thumb. this locks the barbell in place and prevents the bar from rolling midway up the lift.
>>77338073Maybe you should try that next time with trap bar too. You have significant advantage on how hard you have to grip.
>>77337759>>doesnt allow sumoIt's the same glute driven hip hinge as sumo vs lower back driven hinge in conventional>doesnt allow hook gripYou can pull 1000lbs neutral grip. No hook grip no straps deadlift world record is like 450 if not way less. Trap bar world record is like 16kg over thors 510>>fully trains grip strengthBarely. You're not even using the same muscles to grip and have a mechanical advantage.
>>77338108>trap bar doesnt train grip strengththats so wrong.
>>77338099no, you cant use the hook grip in neutral unless you have some freak jointed thumbs
>>77338111Like i said, raw unequipped no belts no straps no hook grip nothing deadlift is like 100kg less than the all time conventional world record and like 116-120 less than trap barThe limitation is never gonna be your grip just like doing a seated ohp your chest will never be a limitationI also reserve the right to call you a fucking disingenuous jew because >>trap bar doesntI never said that. Barely and doesn't are radically different words you rat
>>77337759>Doesn't allow sumoBruh, you're 5'1, you can sumo in that>Doesn't allow hook gripWtf do you think hook grip is lmao>Don't use strapsPretty gay of you to concern yourself with how others lift>Fully trains grip strength It's a switch gripOnly double overhand actually trains grip fullyHex bar/hack squat is fine if you're using it as an accessory It'll NEVER be better than a traditional deadlift >High handles>Switch grip>Extra equipment (gay)>Still let's people like you sumoSry, lil broTry harder next time
>>77338114Fucking what LMAO
>>77338125go try it - hook grip is useless on the hex bar>>77338121go try the hex in the neutral grip and hold that weight in your hands
>>77338116>ratso you can embellish but i cant. go hold that weight in your hands and quit talking about other people's lifts
>>77338131Post body you wont
>>77338143im taking a shit
>>77337771I just have no interest in getting crippled to appease some gymcel is all.
>>77338121Pretty gay of you to concern yourself with how others lift
>>77338062Look up dinnie stones moron
>>77338238dinnie stones ≠ hex barthank you for consneeding
>>77338252Absolute retard brown. The point is its not about the bar rolling you moron.
I honestly do both.Hex bar deadlift is more like a squat accessory, it fires up the quads but it's a saver exercise and doesn't strain the lower back and spine, especially if you're already fatigued from previous sets. In that sense, I use the Hex bar deadlift when my workout potential is limited and I'm tired, or have little time to spare. It's more like an enhanced accessory, and helps with jumping ability which I also train. If I incorporate it into a full workout, it's usually the second exercise AFTER the main leg exercise (that's squats).Like I said, it's like an enhanced accessory, as hard as a main exercise but as safe and also limiting as an accessory lift.Conventional deadlift stands on its own as an exercise, you usually can't do conventional deadlift and also another main leg or lower body exercise. So in that sense, I use the conventional deadlift as a stand alone lift, that will only be accompanied by upper body exercises that do not require spinal compression, and only when I'm not dead tired afterwards. I find that conventional deadlift works best with pushing exercises, but especially bench and triceps work.To look at any 1 instrument or any 1 exercise and say that's good or that's bad is stupid and showcases your dyel status. Every exercise had its place and you can incorporate almost anything and make it work./thread
>>77337759>how can I decrease my squat range of motion and involve my arms and grip when training legs>how can I increase spinal load on my deadlift>how can I limit my maximum weight lifted without any benefitsThis lift is an answer to questions nobody asks.
its comfier but idk what it trainsi used to do trap bar rdl for a while because there's no need for straps and it was decent, but for regular deads i think it just distributes load so it's neither here not thereconv dl at least trains back as hard as squats
>>77337759I used trap diddlies as my primary lower body lift for a long time. Lemme tell ya, it doesn't develop your squat at all if you do it right. So that complaint is just out the window - it's not a squat variant unless you make it into one by doing it wrong.And I've never felt the trap duddlies in my lower back that worrisome way I do heavy conventionals. So right there I'm sold.
>>77338780If you sit more upright in the trap bar deadlift, it becomes marginally more similar to a squat but is still much, much closer to a conventional deadlift in terms of knee and hip activation. People feel a bit more in their quads and instantly assume they're doing a squat when really they're not even close.If you use the lower handles and make a conscious effort to hinge at the hips, starting with a flatter back more similar to a conventional dead, the difference is made even smaller.I like heavy trap rdls. Doing them with a barbell and pushing intensity to failure feels a little risky in the lower back area because, if some part of the posterior chain is going to fail, it could very well be the lower back. Not that it happened to me but the potential seems to be there at those 'approaching total failure' reps.Trap bar rdls just don't. Failure feels more like a total muscular exhaustion in the hamstrings so I can push very hard without any worry. Still hits the lower back hard... People get this idea that it takes all the spinal erector out of the lift, it doesn't. It just doesn't rely on it so much.
Trap bar is pretty nice to have for heavy farmer walks or some grip/trap exercise by just picking up the weight from block and overloading.
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